Labor: Mass immigration is killing wages

Via Labor employment spokesman Brendan O’Connor in response to “migrants to the regions”:

“…we have over 700,000 unemployed Australians, and we have 1.1m Australians looking for more work.”

“That is over 1.8m Australians looking for any work, or looking for more work, and yet we watch the government continue to allow the explosion of temporary visa holders to 1.6m.

“So firstly, before we look at this plan, this recent thought bubble by the thought bubble boy Scott Morrison, we should consider what we’re doing with these temporary visa levels. “Clearly, when you look at youth unemployment in this country, it’s just over 13 per cent.

“We have too few young workers getting into the labour market.

“One of the reasons for that is they are being displaced, or indeed superseded by the overuse of some of the temporary visa holder categories.

“When we’re examining congestion, when we’re examining job opportunities for the underemployed or unemployed in this country, we need to consider whether in fact the government has properly ensured that we use these visas properly, and clearly, with 1.6m visa holders there is a real strain on opportunities for unemployed Australians and underemployed Australians to get into the labour market, and the government needs to do something.”

“[Morrison] likes the idea that this drives wages down”.

“If you have an oversupply in certain areas, you drive down wages,” he said.

“That’s why this government has presided over the lowest wage growth in five years, certainly one of the reasons for that is indeed the misuse, overuse and abuse of temporary work visas.

“It’s unfair to the visa holders who are exploited, it’s unfair to the local worker who misses out.

“In fact, Scott Morrison’s history is clear: he voted against labour market testing when it was introduced in the last year of the last Labor government. He’s on the record opposing any restrictions on temporary visas and skilled visas.

“Indeed as shadow minister for immigration he wanted to open up the 457 visa arrangements to make them easier, not harder, to access. So he looks overseas first and denies local workers their opportunity.

“As Prime Minister, he is a hypocrite if indeed he continues to argue he is concerned about congestion and infrastructure strain, when he turns his back on Australian workers who can’t find enough work.”

OMG. Has MB finally broken through?

Let’s reserve judgment, but it appears Labor is going to do something about the great visa rort. They most certainly should:

  • For years we have seen Dominos, Caltex, 7-Eleven, Woolworths and many other fast food franchises busted for rorting migrant labour.
  • The issue culminated in 2016 when the Senate Education and Employment References Committee released a scathing report entitled A National Disgrace: The Exploitation of Temporary Work Visa Holders, which documented systemic abuses of Australia’s temporary visa system for foreign workers.
  • Mid last year, ABC’s 7.30 Report ran a disturbing expose on the modern day slavery occurring across Australia.
  • Meanwhile, Fair Work Ombudsman (FWO), Natalie James, told Fairfax in August last year that people on visas continue to be exploited at an alarming rate, particularly those with limited English-language skills. It was also revealed that foreign workers are involved in more than three-quarters of legal cases initiated by the FWO against unscrupulous employers.
  • Then The ABC reported that Australia’s horticulture industry is at the centre of yet another migrant slave scandal, according to an Australian Parliamentary Inquiry into the issue.
  • The same Parliamentary Inquiry was told by an undercover Malaysian journalist that foreign workers in Victoria were “brainwashed” and trapped in debt to keep them on farms.
  • A recent UNSW Sydney and UTS survey painted the most damning picture of all, reporting that wages theft is endemic among international students, backpackers and other temporary migrants.
  • A few months ago, Fair Work warned that most of Western Sydney had become a virtual special economic zone in which two-thirds of businesses were underpaying workers, with the worst offenders being high-migrant areas.
  • Dr Bob Birrell from the Australian Population Research Institute latest report, based on 2016 Census data, revealed that most recently arrived skilled migrants (i.e. arrived between 2011 and 2016) cannot find professional jobs, with only 24% of skilled migrants from Non-English-Speaking-Countries (who comprise 84% of the total skilled migrant intake) employed as professionals as of 2016, compared with 50% of skilled migrants from Main English-Speaking-Countries and 58% of the same aged Australian-born graduates. These results accord with a recent survey from the Bankwest Curtin Economics Centre, which found that 53% of skilled migrants in Western Australia said they are working in lower skilled jobs than before they arrived, with underemployment also rife.
  • The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) latest Characteristics of Recent Migrants reportrevealed that migrants have generally worse labour market outcomes than the Australian born population, with recent migrants and temporary residents having an unemployment rate of 7.4% versus 5.4% for the Australian born population, and lower labour force participation (69.8%) than the Australian born population (70.2%).
  • ABC Radio recently highlighted the absurdity of Australia’s ‘skilled’ migration program in which skilled migrants have grown increasingly frustrated at not being able to gain work in Australia despite leaving their homelands to fill so-called ‘skills shortages’. As a result, they are now demanding that taxpayers provide government-sponsored internships to help skilled migrants gain local experience, and a chance to work in their chosen field.
  • In early 2018 the senate launched the”The operation and effectiveness of the Franchising Code of Conduct” owing in part to systematic abuse of migrant labour.
  • Then there is new research from the University of Sydney documenting the complete corruption of the temporary visas system, and arguing that Australia running a “de-facto low-skilled immigration policy” (also discussed here at the ABC).
  • In late June the government released new laws to combat modern slavery which, bizarrely, imposed zero punishment for enslaving coolies.
  • Over the past few months we’ve witnessed widespread visa rorting across cafes and restaurants, including among high end establishments like the Rockpool Group.
  • Alan Fels, head of the Migrant Workers Taskforce, revealed that international students are systematically exploited particularly by bosses of the same ethnicity.

It won’t stop the crush-loading of everything nor take pressure off housing but it is a start.

David Llewellyn-Smith
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  1. Just had a brain wave.

    Can we deport the unemployed?

    And, there must be a way to financialise that too. Can we auction the contract for the collection and flights? Or just give it to a mate.

    • Also, the “deportation” definition of unemployed would not be the “ABS” definition of unemployed obviously.

    • Lucky I was drinking anything, I nearly fell off my chair with laughter. Oh man.. That was good.

      Perhaps if we send a few yobbo’s over to China they will stop being obsessed with everything Australian? You know a few good will ambassadors. 🙂

    • The third world deports their unemployed & social misfits to Australia.
      That is what comes in on pretext foreign student/partner, NZ SCV backdoor, backpacker churn, sponsored & ‘visitor to bridging’, spousal etc.
      2.45 million TR & long stay visitors.
      1.3 million in Sydney & 0.9 million in Melbourne.

      In china massive urban slum clearance plus the internal passport (hukou) system – has seen millions of poor & social misfits sent off overseas with authorities collusion.
      In India the remittances sent back are mainstay of the city slums & rural recruiting agent procurers.
      Bangladesh plans to have 3 million overseas, as major source of cash income. Nepal same.
      Korea & Taiwan same. Export their misfits and unemployed.
      South east Asia same – misfits, ethnic cleansing, vice workers as students & other pretext alibis.
      Example Isan province, Thailand : remittances from Thai English students in Australia & elsewhere working in ‘hospitality’ are only 2nd to the rice crop as income.

      So if we exported 1.3 million Australian unemployed & 1.1 million seeking work to say China?
      On student & other pretext visas.
      Living 6-8 in a 2 bed unit owned by an Australian via a Chinese Australia local proxy.
      Whole building & most of the suburb the same.
      All cash in hand.
      All working illegally under false identities or cash.
      Yep – the Chinese are really going to allow that..

      • mild colonialMEMBER

        I may move in special circles and I like a lot of what you write but I haven’t come across any immigrants that don’t seem like fairly together decent people.

      • I may move in special circles and I like a lot of what you write but I haven’t come across any immigrants that don’t seem like fairly together decent people.

        Whether the immigrants destroying the country are amongst the higher echelons of their home country and damaging it by leaving, or the bottom of the barrel coming here because they’ve got nowhere else to go, is entirely dependent on the argument being made at the time.

      • entirely dependent on the argument being made at the time.

        That doesn’t sound quite right, as there is only one argument that is ever made.
        ‘migration’s bad, m’kay’.

      • Uncontrolled migration is destructive. Controlled migration aligned to real skill needs, the capacity of public services, infrastructure investment, etc. is productive and of value.

    • Well new Population and Urban ­Infrastructure Minister, Alan Tudge did blame Kevin Rudd and Labor for population ponzi policy on Radio Sydney this morning – yes all Labor’s fault!

      This is interesting as both parties may be positioning to stop the planes at the upcoming election and wedge the other on an issue that has overwhelming public support.
      Bring it on!!!!

      • Migration has been falling – very slowly – for a couple of years now. Possibly the future will be a ‘death by a thousand cuts’ process where it is brought down extremely slowly over many years. as each individual rort and loophole is closed one by one.

        Of course if something happens, like a property crash, that causes a recession, NOM might fall slowly at first, then all at once.

      • @Robert

        It may be ‘death by a thousand cuts’ – but until that beast dies, it will be “death by 400,000 cu*ts” for us.

      • If Labor can show they are genuine about reducing and better managing immigration, in addition to their NG reform, they would have my #1 vote.

      • Absolutely Gavin, me too. Which is why if they do it and stick to it they’ll lock in at least two terms in office.

      • It would be far better to give your first preference to other parties that are anti-immigration and then give the ALP or other major party that promises major cuts to immigration. Otherwise the ALP will feel that they got your vote because of their overall policies and not see the flow of preferences that determined your vote if you voted for the anti-immigration party first.

      • @jkambah – I agree and was planning to put sustainable Australia party first. Since I truly believe we’ll only have a sustainable planet if we have sustainable population policies and build houses that are energy efficient and cities that are smart (not sprawl indefinitely).

        My mum has a house up in Kinglake Victoria, if you drive through Whittlesea / Mernda up to Kinglake you’ll see the roads dotted with new housing estates that stretch back to Donnybrook etc.. All that was farm land / green land many years ago. It’s now all housing, with 0 transport (Mernda has a train station now), but it’s madness to keep building this sort of housing with all it’s energy usage and lack of green space around each other. I see the same problems in Western Sydney out towards Blacktown/Penrith etc.. It’s really the dumbest way to grow our cities. And for what? Everyone requires a car to get anywhere… We need to be smarter about it, sure you could argue higher density, but I’d argue less people.

    • If Scummo was toast before, he’s charred and smouldering now. Let’s hope Labor follow through and put this election to bed before it’s happened.

  2. johnwilliamsmith

    As long as we have high immigration we will forever have low wages and heightened inequality. High immigration means the “Lewis Turning Point” is forever moving away resulting in lower wages. See this video from Richard Koo who applies this concept to China’s future, moving workers from the country to the cities, but this is analagous to Australia where we have an inexhaustible supply of cheap labour via mass immigration.

    • The Lewis turning point is usually expressed in terms of urban vs rural but if you replace urban with developed world and rural with developing it’s already been passed as there is very limited wages growth in the developed world but noticeable wages growth in the developing world, so wages in the developing world are rising faster.

  3. GunnamattaMEMBER

    Dont forget Bill wrote to Scott about a joint approach to immigration on the weekend. And the ALP is as much up to their eyeballs as the LNP on this…..

    This just turned up in my inbox…………

    Dear Scott,

    I am writing to you on the subject of immigration, and in particular the long standing gentlemen’s agreement between our two great parties never to mention the subject in the public domain. 

    This position, which I am sure you will agree has served our two parties as the bastions of Australian democracy, has held together for more than a generation since adoption by Messrs Howard and Beazley, through the eras of Messrs Crean, and Latham, and Beazley again and Howard, then onto Messrs Rudd and Howard, before being reaffirmed between Messrs Rudd and Nelson, Rudd and Turnbull, and subsequently Rudd and Abbott, and then Gillard and Abbott, Rudd and Abbott again, and then Abbott and my good self.  It goes without saying, of course, that I have held true to the shared ideal of never discussing immigration in the public domain throughout the Prime Ministerships of Tony and Malcolm.

    I trust you agree that such a position facilitates a situation where luminaries from both sides of Australian politics are not embarrassed in the international arena by a public discussion in Australia which has become inflamed.  I have no doubt that that you are acutely aware of the benefits a strong immigration volume brings for the real estate and property development sector, as indeed I am also aware of the strong employment outcomes it brings for construction related employment.  We should also both acknowledge that a strong immigration volume has played a key role as a national economic shock absorber, to the benefit of both bastions of Australian democracy when in government, by adding to the lustre of GDP statistics and minimising the risk of needing to explain negative externalities to our shared national electorate of the type which have been particularly noticeable globally.

    However, as I am sure you are aware, all policy positioning has a limit.  I would also observe that it would appear that our shared position on immigration, and the unspoken desirability of Australia having the largest per capita immigration intake, and the largest percentage of foreign born inhabitants, in the OECD has reached a point where some questioning of this and its continued desirability has reached the public domain.  More specifically it is often the case that those mounting an argument against immigration at the volume our great parties have run it at since more than doubling Net Overseas Migration (NOM) in 2006, tend to use data and facts to quickly arrive at the following conclusions.

    1.      That the increase in NOM from a 100 year average of circa 75 thousand in the 106 years before 2006, to the more than 200 thousand averaged in the 12 years since, serves little economic purpose other than to support real estate prices and aggregate demand statistics, and does not reflect an economy in need of greater numbers of employees with specific skills adding to Australian competitiveness.

    2.      That the increase in NOM since 2006 is a significant factor in Australian infrastructure usage and access becoming a developing world experience.

    3.      That the increase in NOM since 2006 is a significant contributor in Australian wage stagnation.

    The increased scepticism about Australia’s immigration intake stemming from these casual observations is probably best seen against the backdrop of an increasingly widespread public scepticism about politics and politicians per se.  Given the long standing and shared preference of both of our great parties for the public to avoid sheeting home to politicians their concerns about, inter alia , the banking system, Free Trade Agreements, political entitlements abuse and politicians salaries, foreign purchases of Australian homes, and public sector contracting arrangements and the outsourcing of public services, and to avoid saying terribly much about any of them, and certainly if we were to in some way acknowledge that our shared focus on saying nothing when out of office on these (and other) subjects, which may come back to haunt us when in power, and that our interests when in power are virtually indistinguishable, then some somewhat odious implications on the part of the public may have potential to arise.  These are, I understand from being apprised of focus group research of the type which I am sure your advisors will also be making available to you,  further magnified by data in the public domain articulating quite clearly that Australia’s politicians have, between them, an investment property portfolio worth more than $300 million.  While I accept your repeated observation that astute people invest in real estate, and that politicians are, almost by definition, astute investors, we are still unable to get away from the possibility that everyday Australians may observe the phenomena and chance to think that on this issue, and possibly other issues, Australian politicians are in a position to act to secure their own interests, with powers which they hitherto expect to be used for the public good.   Essentially I believe we should consider the possibility that immigration is now potentially being seen by some sections of Australian society as something which neither your great party or mine will talk about, which is of fairly diminished benefit to Australians at large, and potentially is only immediately of benefit to those in the political arena or in senior managerial roles of the corporate and public sector worlds.

    For this reason I propose to you the chance for our great parties to continue their joint approach to immigration, but to change the dynamics of our shared commitment.  I believe that time has come for considering the possibility of a national population commission, which could assist both of our great parties (as well as the National and Green parties who share our commitment to saying nothing about immigration in the public domain while supporting a high NOM level) in avoiding public opprobrium on the subject, while contributing to the public assuagement of nearly all immigration related concerns.  While I accept that your great party has concerns about the establishment of government bodies, in this arena I believe the public has an appetite for public policy involvement by a government body of some sort, and that costs could be kept to a minimum, by extensive use of the academic world and the corporate sector in providing board level and senior advisory roles.  It may also offer some opportunity for the placement of former or current political identities to take positions, offering leadership of both our great parties the opportunity to reward long standing service in the public interest, with the chance to serve on in an independent and important role, with continued public remuneration. 

    Such an approach would enable both sides of politics to refer immigration related issues and questions to an overt policy and regulatory guidance authority while still retaining considerable control over the aegis of immigration policy through the astute choice of individuals for the appropriate positions.  Currently I envisage the key focus areas of such a commission or authority to include reporting on ethnic diversity in the public and corporate worlds, the monitoring and engagement with media comment and public reaction to immigration related issues, promotion of immigration to Australia and within Australia, and the establishment of priority immigration related infrastructure projects.  It may also offer the opportunity to reward eminent Australians with a title role, in leading immigration related public discourse and information gathering and dissemination.Finally it will be an overt statement to all Australians that Australian politicians are doing something about the subject of immigration, and that that something is from both sides of Australia’s parliament.

    Although I understand that we are soon to contest another Federal election, the nature of the Australian political dynamic is that our great parties come and go through the doors of power and opposition within one of the world’s great democracies.   It is in this spirit that I propose the above to you. I should be more than glad to expound further upon the subject at any opportunity you should care to avail.  Similarly, and I am aware of the need for sensitivity about you and I being seen in public together, we could communicate further via your great friend and mine, Mr John Roskam of the IPA to the development of a mutually satisfactory outcome or general dialogue about how we may both continue our shared approach to immigration going forward.


    I have the pleasure to be, Sir

    Your humble and obedient servant.


    William R Shorten


    Australian Labor Party

  4. It is not just wages but unemployment.

    Why hire a 25 year old Aussie when you can import a 45 year old who is willing to work here for illegal wages?

    Shorten has ruled out jail for wage theft and job theft shall continue.

  5. More Australian unemployed than you think (1.3 million)
    More migrant guestworkers on TR than you think (2.4 million)

    The issue is not only the migrant intake numbers, but the migrant quality & resulting economic & social impact.

    We have on any measure the most corrupted & economically & socially damaging migrant intake of any Western/OECD country globally.

    First some national stats.

    🔹Australian Unemployed now 1.3 million.
    A record high number & now at 10%.
    🔹Australians seeking work now 1.1 million
    2.4 million out of work or looking for work.

    Roy Morgan 2018.

    ABS – 1.91 million new PR/Citizen grants in the last decade.
    ABS – CPI 2.0% plus, lower income CPI relative to income & expenditure over 4%.
    ABS – Wages growth 1.6%, negative
    ABS – casualisation of jobs over 30%
    ABS – % Jobs to new migrants 55%.
    ABS – % New migrants unemployed or welfare dependent 28% – with up to 45% in various ethnic groups.
    PC – Australian productivity in decline.
    ‘Jobs created’, over 60% are part time.

    ➡️ Net -the PR Migrant intake far exceeds job capacity & growth. It is dragging down productivity, wages & employment tenure for all Australians.

    Now add on the really big impact.

    🔹We has onshore 2.431 million non TR & long stay / repeat stay visitors. This is as at March 2018. It’s increasing exponentially and by now(October 2018) it will be over 2.5 million.

    This 2.5 million is in ADDITION to the PR/Citizen grant intake.

    🔻See this link for detailed breakdown.

    29% growth of TR since 2012.
    Far exceeds the 1.9 million PR/citizen intake by 130% or an extra half a million.
    Or equal to 15 years worth of PR intake.

    🔹Country of origin & Skills.
    Over 82% are of third world origin (including one third of NZ SCV using NZ as the back door). See the table in link.
    Over 90% are adult & unskilled.
    That’s 2.0 million third world & 2.2 million unskilled mostly adults, with at least 1.6 million working illegally & not paying tax.

    We now have more third world unskilled migrant guestworkers than Gaddafi at his peak. His migrant guestworkers at least paid tax.

    🔹Migrant TR Concentration.

    Of the 2.431 million in March 2018, over 88% or 2.2 million were in Sydney & Melbourne.

    1.31 million TR in Sydney. 1 in 4 people.
    🔹🔹1 in 4 people.. 🔹🔹
    Yep. It’s amazing, but true.
    1 in every 4 people.

    0.90 million TR in Melb, 1 in 5 people. Overflow from Sydney & the now established migrant enclaves creating very rapid Melbourne TR growth.
    0.23 million elsewhere.

    🔹Employment impact.
    70% of the 2.431 million or 1.7 million are working illegally in visa breach. (SMH/ UTS/USyd study).

    Non resident migrant guestworkers steal the equivalent of 1.5 million Australian FTE jobs, usually no tax paid.

    Creating both unemployment and a tax burden on Australians. The Migrant guestworker Fake ID. Cash in hand. ABN & labour services rackets is a core industry.

    The entire migrant guestworker sub economy is estimated at over $133 billion with $71 billion being cash in hand, fake ID, ABN, labour services, and over 1.7 million migrant guestworkers being willing participants on pretext visas, only here to work illegally in visa breach.

    As a test – if current visa conditions of partial work rights were enforced, over 1 million third world migrant guestworkers would self exit.

    If we removed work rights from all TR foreign students, partners, guardians, bridging visas, long stay, visitors, non Nz born SCV l, then 1.7 million will self exit.

    They are poor, live week to week in the illegal migrant cash sub economy.
    They are only here to work illegally, to repay the foreign agent procurer debt, to send back remittances & hoping to secure a PR as a anchor for chain migration.

    The 2.431 million TR & long stay visitors are permanent stay, very long stay (see the data in link), long stay & repeat multiple visit stay.

    93% rent in ‘private shared accommodation’ (DHA, SCC housing study) which is code for migrant only bunk & mattress slum share.
    Now half of all renters nationally and the majority of renters in Sydney & Melbourne.

    Occupying some 550,000 ex Australian dwellings, mostly low end very modest units of small houses in Sydney & Melbourne. Now owned by foreign criminal syndicates, bought with dirty money, usually laundered via a proxy and then converted into migrant only sublet – cash in hand bunk & mattress slum share.

    ➡️ There’s your housing bubble.

    That alone is a $25 billion cash in hand racket with only $11 billion (legal occupancy) declared.
    This dirty money onshore either repaid back to the foreign syndicate, or washed into buying more low end Australian dwellings for migrant slumshare.

    Over half a million dwellings, or over 15 years of Australian affordable housing has now been removed from Australian ownership or occupancy – to be exclusively foreign owned & migrant guestworker occupied.

    🔹Social impact.
    The 624,000 foreign students and partners in a range of visa categories They form a $31 billion onshore illegally working sub category.
    That money is all EARNED HERE so it is not an ‘export’.
    They only bring in $2.1 billion of declared funds, often frauded.
    They pay $7.5 billion in fees (Deloitte Access Economics) from that money EARNED HERE.
    Australian education has now fallen 10 places globally/doubled in cost as it debased itself to provide a migrant guestworker alibi.
    Only 110,000 people at most are employed in foreign education services versus some 520,000 foreign students working & some 450,000 working illegally in fake ID, cash in hand or in visa breach. It is massively Job negative, tax negative, socially negative.
    Australian International education is not an export industry at all.
    It’s a corrupted and negative GDP.

    Vast migrant guestworker slums from horizon to horizon. At double or triple the intended planned occupancy rate for that housing & infrastructure usage.
    The 2.4 million TR drive some 380,000 cars, mostly old bombs, registered on international drivers licences. No fines or penalties collected by NSW SDRO as they are on fake ID or whereabouts unknown.

    The result is major congestion (double or triple the intended suburb density) on our public transport, roads.
    Urban & suburban filth, squalor, crime, foreign criminal gangs, entire non Australian migrant guestworker zones now across both cities.

    Pushing the Australian poor, needy & our now (migrant guestworkers caused) jobless youth onto the street.
    112,000 Australian permanent homeless & 400,000 seeking affordable housing.


    It’s getting worse.
    In fact it’s out of control.
    Australia is now facing a recession, structural job loss, and yet the migrant guestworker illegal worker intake keeps going up.

    Something needs to snap.

    And it may just be from an unexpected, but highly logical lobby group.

    This would be the new Australian’ migrant PR/citizen community (800,000 now as citizens who can vote in key Sydney & Melbourne electorates) who push & lobby to massively slash & exit the TR intake.

    After all these new legal migrants know its a racket. That’s how they got in.
    And Australia isn’t the place they want it to be either. They are also third world unskilled and at the bottom of the economic ladder.

    The new legal migrants are by far the most impacted in job loss, housing impact & living standard degradation caused by the runaway TR intake.

    I think you will find there’s considerable voter support in these new Australian migrant communities for:

    A. Removal of work rights from all the TR.
    B. Visa cancellation of at least 1.6 million TR in visa breach.
    C. A massively reduced PR & TR intake.

      • Foreign remittances from Australia have exploded in line with the migrant guestworker intake.
        The productivity commission has noted this as a major drain on the economy as it’s almost all migrant origin and much illegally earned & untaxed cash.

        The amount sent out exceeds US $16 billion or $aud $22 billion – with only a fraction of that coming in (often to be laundered by a proxy into Australia housing).

        “In 2015 Australia saw an outflow of remittances of US$16 billion, while it received around US$2 billion”.

        Putting aside the commercial / import export & business its about $14 billion of personal foreign remittances with over 70% back to third world countries.
        This matches the onshore earning capacity of the 2.4 million TR migrant guestworkers ($133 billion) with over 1.5 million working illegally ($75 billion earned illegally) and at least 10% or $14 billion of that total migrant guestworker income being sent out of the country.

        About $5,300 per migrant guestworker a year each or $100 a week (on $950 a week average migrant guestworker income) in outflow.
        Most of it illegally earned.

        The onshore source includes:
        a. Temporary visa holders / working illegally – in repayment of their foreign agent procurer & then family remittances.
        B. Permanent migrants including many welfare beneficiaries sending back money.
        C. Money laundering/ repayment of foreign criminal syndicate debt from the onshore proxy collecting the migrant guestworker money from the cash in hand subletting rackets. 550,000 ex Australian modest dwellings are now foreign money onshore by a proxy, housing some 2.2 million migrant guestworkers in bunk & Mattress share – sublet cash in hand / a $24 billion onshore industry with only $11 billion (legal occupancy) actually declared. So $13 billion alone in just that taken as cash – but much of this money is rewashed back into Australian modest low cost dwellings to house even more migrant guestworkers in the highly lucrative cash in hand subletting.

  6. Is Labor going to do a Howard and steal Hanson’s votes? Their activist base will be horrified.

  7. Holy crap! Bill for PM, but but what about all his other blather and side kicks sayiny racist etc. Would be amazing if he he’s honest on this. What are the odds people?

    • > What are the odds people?
      Dunno – they won’t be displayed on the Opera House roof – I’m told.

  8. Problem is that Labor is divided on these issues. Brendan O’Connor is from the Victorian left. The NSW Right (filthy corrupt traitors that they are) is a different kettle of fish.

    • Counter-intuitive ain’t it, how it often is the left-wing commie socialists that are the most pragmatic and steady of the cliques. As finance minister Peter Walsh detested any suggestion of middle class welfarism and Gerry Hand is widely regarded as the pick of the Immigration ministers (in part for refusing to allow immigration to be used as a political football).

  9. Have seen Labor talk big before elections since the 1980s and look at cutie pie Ardern over there in New Zealand, also talked big – I am reserving my judgement

  10. People do realise how the system works?? When in opposition you say the truth to gain credibility. Once in power, you don’t acknowledge what was said in the past. Then you get voted out to the opposition who is calling you out, even though they did the very thing the cycle before…

  11. boobs shorten called anyone even mumbling the word immigration a political extremist so I don’t believe this for a second

  12. adelaide_economistMEMBER

    I think part of the obfuscation technique being played here has been the sudden focus on temporary visas versus permanent. Notice how neither of those terms had any serious airplay in terms of the population growth rate up until recently when I believe Turnbull tried to argue excessive immigration was a phantasm of our imaginations because it was all temporary immigration. ScoMo repeated this lie (or is it a basic inability to conceptually distinguish between a stock and a flow… and this in both our ex-Goldman Sachs ex-PM and our current PM) when he gave the example of the ‘if population growth was ten people’ breakdown.

    That said, the pool of temp visa holders is astronomical and shrinking it will be a positive for the labour force assuming they don’t ramp up the permanent visas at an equal rate. I’m just not sure the latter condition can be assumed particularly after we got an insight into the shenanigans going on with the explosion in bridging visas under Dutton. None of our majors (including the Greens) have any intention of seriously cutting migration (for real) until they are absolutely forced to do so. Whether that’s major social upheaval or (preferably) people actually voting in thoughtful independents who can say.

    • Yes, good points.
      Over the last 10 -12 years the increase in temporary migration has been massive. But the increase in permanent migration numbers has been even greater. It’s roughly 2 to 1 or an increase of 1.4 million permanent migrants versus an increase in temporary migration numbers of approximately 700,000.
      That’s 2.1 million more migrants living here since Howard lost the 2007 election, none of them born in Australia, most of whom have the right to work and collect benefits. As do their children.

  13. On a crowded tram today. A nice mature lady was told to push herself into the carriage by a ‘Customer Service’ Yarra Trams worker (I’ll let you guess what his origins may be). The woman said there was nowhere to go. I said to her and other passengers, this is what you get with a Big Australia. I think the penny is starting to drop with the general population.

  14. 1. Scrap family reunion visas.
    2. Scrap parent visas.
    2. Abolish permanent residency being obtained whilst overseas. PR should only be obtained by going through other visas, temporary visas where one can test their value to the economy (prove that they are skilled by being employed in work that required skills).
    3. Scrap Graduate Visas, except for fields where we have a genuine shortage, and only then allow the graduates to work in said field. Get universities to rationalise so they aren’t reliant on foreign students.
    4. Review Business Visas – only grant visas for existing businesses that have a record of exporting. Not business visas for take away stores / restaurants.
    5. No free public education for the children of temporary visa workers.

  15. More like kite-flying. There’s a need for the LP to see how strongly people feel about immigration levels vs. employment conditions and security, though they are intwined.

  16. Easily resolved, just needs guts. It is a criminal offence to employ a person with no regard to their employment status…..punishable by 10 yeears…

  17. Mining BoganMEMBER

    I’ll preference them before Scummo and the greens but they still won’t get my No 1. Vote first for a reduced immigration mob. Let that message sink in to them.

    Vote for them outright and OL Bill will just do a Jacinta backflip. He’ll probably give birth and start breast feeding just to stir up the loopy religious types in the LNP too.

    • Mental picture of Shorten breastfeeding…. urgh. Could be a sequel for Funky Forest! (do look it up if you want to see probably one of the most bizzare japanese films ever)

  18. Talk is cheap.

    Brendan O’Connor is the brother of Michael O’Connor, who is the National Secretary of the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union. see

    These two make a great combination in running Oz into the ground with the CFMEU being a massive supporter of Biz Oz, and the ALP basically engineering a massive increase in migration during its last term in office.

    Trusting the ALP to deliver any cuts in immigration is just plain silly.

    Best to give your first and other preferences to anti-immigration parties. I will put Hanson on top if they run a candidate in my electorate, but last time I had to vote for SAP as there were none in the ACT.

  19. stagmal no fooled

    look over big water to “kiwi” island tribe to east

    “labor” tribe there say same thing

    now pretty labor cave woman chief there but travellers still come