ALP calls ‘No Prisoners’ on Immigration – or does it?

For months the electorate has known that the only plan the government has for bringing life back to the Australian economy was to open the population Ponzi floodgates afresh.  That expectation has been surely based.

Australia has about the word’s most expensive people, the world’s most expensive land and housing costs, the world’s most expensive energy and world’s most expensive internet.  Because of the above no company or private investor in their right mind would want to look at Australia as a location from which to do something competitive with the rest of the world. Because of the above the only meaningful export or import facing activity Australia undertakes is mining or resources.  Beyond this, with the exception of some software development, medical research, and some alternative energy trials, the economy is an inward facing bubble.

Within that bubble the only way to achieve ‘growth’ is to increase the numbers of people in the bubble.  Australia has ramped up the numbers of people coming into that bubble from outside for a generation, since the NOM jumped from an average of about 75 thousand per annum which it averaged between 1980 and 2005, to the more than 200 thousand per annum it has averaged since 2005.

Australian society has experienced this crowded bubble as an increased ‘skills’ migration when the data has long suggested that the vast bulk of the ‘skilled’ migrants coming to Australia are skilled in things it would take little to train Australians to do. Where genuinely skilled and well educated migrants come to Australia, they far too often find themselves working in fields far removed from the exercise of their skill.

The net effect for mainstream Australia has been three fold.

The first and most obvious has been to suppress incomes.  For a generation those employees inclined to push for higher remuneration or better workplace outcomes have run the risk of being ushered outside and replaced with someone more desperate to do the work.  Everyone from the RBA down has acknowledged this effect. Virtually the only organisations and people denying it are those with a vested interest.

The second effect has been higher unemployment for younger Australians. The trolley pushing, labouring, basic administrative and customer facing people roles which once provided a useful path into the world of employment have been dominated by large numbers of migrants or student visa recipients. They are generally more desperate to work, far less likely to raise concerns of any sort (let alone ask for a pay increase or raise a safety concern).  Coupled with an increasingly casualised and temporary employment environment heavy immigration has had a telling effect.

The third has been the increasing experience of outrageous exploitation of migrants occuring within the economy. From employees of abattoirs bullied and exploited through their families in another country (where the main economic activity of the labour provider is auctioning off the visas in China). To the large numbers of Indian students who find themselves being taken to the cleaners when the visa organiser takes a kickback from a dodgy employer.  From the Pizza drivers and shops assistants who are paid a nominal rate of income with the rest shaved by their visa sponsor. To the large numbers of agricultural labourers who experience third world living conditions crammed into employer-accommodation, with the risk of harassment from labour organisers or farmers never far away.

As Leith and David have pointed out time and again in an epic lone stand on these issues, the electorate has become increasingly fed up with it.  Leith’s post a few weeks ago Voters Reject Big Australia Flood aws the latest in a decade’s worth of output nailing just how vast the chasm between the electorate and the polity has become on the subject.

Last month, the The Australian Population Research Institute (TAPRI) released detailed polling showing that only 19% of respondents supported pre-COVID levels of immigration, with 70% wanting lower levels of immigration (of which 48% want significantly lower or zero immigration):

The overwhelming majority (69%) of Australians also do not believe that Australia needs more people:

A new survey published by Fairfax also shows that 58% of voters support lower levels of immigration than existed pre-pandemic, with only 7% wanting higher immigration:

The Resolve Political Monitor asked 1606 eligible voters their views on migration and other issues over six days to November 21. The results have a margin of error of 2.5 per cent.

The survey on migration said: “Permanent migration into Australia sat at around 160,000 people a year before COVID but fell to negligible levels in the last two years. There has been some debate about whether this is a good or bad thing as it can have consequences for the economy, families, skills, diversity and infrastructure.”

It then asked respondents if they wanted the migration intake to go back to the same level, restart at a lower level, restart at a higher level or whether they were unsure. It found 15 per cent were undecided…

“When people voice concerns about immigration we find it’s not generally about xenophobia or loss of identity. It’s more about the scale of immigration, and whether the economy, services and infrastructure are able to keep pace,” Resolve director Jim Reed said.

For most of the generation since 2005 it has appeared as though the Liberal-National Coalition, which has been in power for most of the period, and the Australian Labor Party, in opposition for most of the period,  have been joined at the hip, heart, mouth and mind on the subject of immigration volumes.  That meant the population Ponzi was largely unquestioned in the mainstream media until recently as eminent persons from Cameron MurrayCrispin Hull, Alan Kohler, Christopher JoyeGerard Minnack, and even media organisations such as the Guardian  have entered the fray to overtly note some serious downsides to running immigration the way our current government has done.

That unanimity has ended this weekend (it seems)

The Liberal-National Coalition

On Friday Josh Frydenberg flagged an intention to increase the permanent migration intake to 160 thousand per annum.  Only days after the Department of Home Affairs had closed its submission window for discussion of the 2022-2023 Migration Program. The net effect of the Frydenburg announcement is to double Australian skilled migration which resume the old growth model and negative affects. Josh of course has regularly flagged that this was precisely his intention, egged on by Prime Minister Morrison, and your ABC,


Under Anthony Albanese in recent months the ALP has been wriggling on immigration.  After Kristina Keneally got a public singeing for suggesting Australia’s immigration program be overhauled back in 2020, and intermittent calls for the same, it has dipped its toe in the waters of asking why immigration needs to be so strong. Even the woke ACTU – ostensibly about helping workers organise to get better conditions and protections – has managed to bring itself to ask if Immigration is all good for its members.

Cometh the Hour, cometh the Albo?

According to reports on Sky and in the Daily Telegraph (WARNING:  Uncle Rupert is a Health Hazard) it appears that the ALP has drawn something in the sand.

The Labor leader has argued that while migration is important, the government should instead focus on training Australians who are unemployed or underemployed.

Mr Albanese told News Corp “migration has always played an important role in the economy and will continue in the recovery, but it’s important we take this opportunity to get the mix right”.

“After eight years of attacks on training, the Liberals and Nationals are silent on why we’ve got skill shortages at the same time as 2 million Australians who are unemployed or underemployed.

“I also know it shouldn’t be a substitute for training Australian workers for Australian jobs”, he said, adding “we should not be a country where Australian workers are cut off from job opportunities”.

It could be a line, it could be a target, it could be a link to exactly how flooding the country with fresh immigrants in large volumes is in the interests of people already here, the immigrants themselves, Australia’s carbon reduction hopes, or Australian infrastructure usage. Those words seem to be flavoured with words supporting employment aspirations and training needs of Australians.   His recent Private Member’s Bill seeking to curtail the massive exploitation of Labour Hire across the economy bodes well too.  These are inherently destabilising for all employees, and are major users of migrant labour – for everything from agriculture and retail to administrative functions in the public service.

As Leith has been pointing out for years if the ALP can bring itself to overtly declare a position on immigration and overtly declare what it sees as the limits of the Population Ponzi then it’s polling will rise.

Come on Albo, you will need to go a touch further, because some of those who might vote for you don’t quite believe you.


  1. some of those who might vote for you dont quite believe you

    That’s me. Never voted anything but Labor up until the last few elections. Didn’t matter anyway cause in the Inner West. But as rich says can send a message.

    BTW house in Ducross St Petersham went for over 2 million yesterday.

    • MerkwürdigliebeMEMBER

      Just imagine if you will a Candidate who stated he would support

      A Federal Corruption Commission
      A Limit of 70 thousand per annum on the Net Overseas Migration number, until it is established that there are skills actually needed, and that all locals who want to can get employment they want, and there are meaningful income increases.
      A Royal Commission into the advent of Covid in Australia and how it has been handled
      An end to Housing speculation juicing house prices (starting with end to tax deductibility of housing ‘investment’ CGT concessions and stamp duty)

      Why the ALP cant identify this is beyond me.

      • Why the ALP cant identify this is beyond me.

        ALP are elite-funded, elite-focused, elite-befriended, elite-employed-after-politics, elite-captured, out-of-touch elites.

        Does that help place their behaviour a little less beyond your understanding?

        p.s. Please don’t vote for them.

        • MerkwürdigliebeMEMBER

          Yeah I totally get all of that and dont vote for them.

          They should rebrand themselves as the Whigs

        • However, a somewhat slightly benevolent government will give you a 5 out of 10 and apply a bit of thought to the good bits they do, meantime the LNP are well into negative territory thanks to the true psychpathy of its leadership and inner circle of cronies.

        • LibLab concordat has many chapters indeed, but few are as long and as strong as Big Australia. Lab has not shifted. Shifting would mean stop lying, make a firm, public NET migration target of 75-80K or preferably much less. Never happen.

        • Please Claw, can you tell me how the LNP is identified?
          “ALP are elite-funded, elite-focused, elite-befriended, elite-employed-after-politics, elite-captured, out-of-touch elites.”

          And I haven’t voted Labor since ’87 and that was a state election.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        They can’t find it, because they purposely set out not to.

        Labor are ingenuine and cannot be trusted.

        Australia knows that, and this is far too little, far too late.

        • That may be but arrogance and the many other deficiencies of the LNP disqualifies them from any sensible voters approval.

      • “Why the ALP cant identify this is beyond me.”

        It’s simple really … the labor party are no longer the traditional party they once were, they are now a progressive party, a party with a primary ideology of a multiracial society, a ‘brown man’ nation.
        The immigration program, consisting overwhelmingly of immigration from non english speaking countries, is the embodiment of this treacherous ideology.
        The alp are traitors, they are all traitors, but the alp especially because were the guardian of the workers and the australian way of life.

  2. Labor is 100% committed to replacing the people of Australia. It is the ideology of its core group of members.
    So any sop to reducing immigration is almost certainly a cover to get elected as they know the public is not as far to the left as its core.

    Even IF they maintained a cap on skilled immigration, expect for them to more than make up with it via an increase to family and refugee visas which in turn act as an even worse drain on the wellbeing of those already here.
    I.e. Imagine 100,000 new 65 year old immigrant parents imported into the nation… to (on average) receive 250,000~$1m in financial and medical support over the next 20~30 years of their lives.

  3. Display NameMEMBER

    If they committed to reducing migration to the historical average and went into bat for that position, I might vote for them as well. I would not let perfect get in the way of at least one good policy.

    • Do not vote for Labor based on anything they promise to do. Vote based on what they actually did when in power.

      The only way any smart person should vote Labor would be if Labor were elected by fools and then miraculously reformed and did stuff that deserved re-election. Short of that happening, don’t vote for Labor.

      • While an independent or the least bad minor party is going to be my first preference Lab have a strong chance of being 2nd preference if they don’t stuff it up between now and the election. Big If knowing their form.

        Happy to reward them at least talking this line which is much better than not discussing it at all. Can turf them out next time if they don’t follow through with a more sensible policy and hopefully there is a new crop of Libs who aren’t completely corrupt and morally bankrupt + with a Fed ICAC.

        • 1
          I think a lot of people feel this way.
          I’d like to see what they do.

          Better to give Albo a chance than accept the distopian disaster the Libs WILL deliver.

          • Yes. However bad they are now, another LNP win will rocket them into a full on 3rd world autocracy and there will be no limits to their behaviour.

          • Mining BoganMEMBER

            If the LNP win the next election there will be no more elections.

            The only reason we’re having this election is that they’ve been either too lazy or too incompetent to get their ducks in a row. But rest assured they’re trying to end democracy.

          • My problem with this thinking is that if Elbow gets in he’ll do as he sees fit and while I think he’ll make a better PM than the present @@@@@@@@ I’m not looking for 10%, I want a much bigger change than they’ll consider. And once they’re in the voter will give them the incumbent benefit of doubt just like they have with the LNP and we’ll still be another 20 yrs away from any decent goal. Labor would likely get two terms then we’ll have the LNP back.

            Disruption is I think the main aim, to get both parties to reconsider where they’re going and whom they actually here to represent.

        • It rings perfectly true for Liberal Coalition, Labor and also Greens. Equally applicable to all forms of elite representatives.

  4. Labor supported big immigration for decades. Do not vote for Labor.

    Do not be fooled by a few smarmy lies just before an election. Do not vote for Labor.

    Put Liberal/Nationals last, and Labor 2nd last, or invert. Do not give your number 1 vote to the big elite-captured parties.

    • “Put Liberal/Nationals last, and Labor 2nd last, or invert. Do not give your number 1 vote to the big elite-captured parties.”

      Okay, I get you and agree wholeheartedly.

    • You realise that voting for small parties is overwhelmingly a vote, via preferences, for the Coalition, right?

      • You control your own preferences. Put the Coalition last and your preferences have done everything possible to avoid falling through to them.

      • I always vote below the line and number all of my preferences. I never accept the default preferences of any party or independent. I control my own vote.

        If there are more than 100 boxes to number then I will spend at least 5 minutes and go up to at least 100, but may not number all of them. I figure if I am not prepared to spend 5 minutes in the voting booth and several hours minimum researching policies and past lies and failings, then I am not fit to be a citizen in a democracy.

  5. I heard Albo when he was saying all this & I was taken aback, quite surpirsed. But was partly impressed.
    But the suspicious mind is trying top work out where the spin is? I still think he’s talking a talk & suspect there’s more to come.
    But I remain hopeful. Certainly sounded better than Frydenburger.

    • Strange EconomicsMEMBER

      The LNP or Labor-asLNP Lite, with some slight interest in having an ICAC and a few words about slightly lower migration , no actual policy or numbers! Democracy is a nuisance for the kleptocrats, luckily a duopoly in politics keeps them in profit.

  6. I remember last election they made noises about the unemployment benefit being too low. But all Labor could really commit to was an inquiry. Similarly here they are making noises about migration being too high. But where is the actual commitment? There is no population policy on offer, no actual number at which they believe Australia should stabilise its population numbers. And there is no actual number on what they think migration levels should be. People are right to be suspicious. Especially when the ALP is funded by construction unions and makes a big noise about multiculturalism at every opportunity. And it’s policy for years has been to support Big Australia. It has said nothing critical for years about this policy. And as covered on this site, I remember Bill Shorten labelling proponents of reducing immigration numbers as “extremists.” Albaneses statements are very obviously poll driven. I question his conviction. In the last election campaign he claimed people in Sydney did not mind their suburbs making thet transition to higher population densities. Sorry but I am not convinced, Albanese is just making poll driven noises, I still doubt he questions A Big Australia on a policy basis

    • I understand your skepticism but hope is better than knowing the disaster that the Libs will surely deliver.

  7. What more reason do the LNP voters in here have left to vote LNP? All the comments questioning whether Albo will execute or not – isn’t this better than the party that has rammed hundreds of thousands of people into the country recently and are promising to still do so?!

    • isn’t this better than the party that has rammed…

      Yes. It is better.
      More importantly Labor has done less RECENT damage to our country than Liberal has. Therefore Labor deserves to be placed 2nd last on our voting card, ahead of Liberal. (federally speaking IMO)

  8. working class hamMEMBER

    First a federal ICAC, now this? Labor has now firmed up the spot directly before the LNP.
    Last position is reserved for any Palmer/Kelly candidate.

  9. SupperannuationMEMBER

    Andrew Leigh in response to the Frydenburg announcement: “A migration plan has got to talk about our balance between temporary and permanent, between family reunion and skilled migration.” The ALP wants the focus to be on temporary vs permanent not higher vs lower. Maybe Albanese has a bit of political sense and is testing the waters but I guarantee he will not utter a number before the election.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      “The ALP wants the focus to be on temporary vs permanent not higher vs lower”

      Alarm alarm alarm alarm alarm…warning warning warning….

      Labor will wreck Australia even faster than LNP.

      The only solution is replace as much of LNP and Labor as possible. Vote for nationalist anti immigration.

      • No one could wreck Australia faster than the “rapey” LNP

        This bunch of LNP ar$e hats have stepped up Australia’s social, moral and economic destruction by an order of magnitude over any preceding party or government.

      • “Labor will wreck Australia even faster than LNP.”

        This is just pure [email protected]!t, whatever Labor will do immigration wise the LNP will do whatever they can get away with, same with the environment.

        You’re talking out of your webhole, Tokes.

    • WhatcouldgowrongMEMBER

      This. This is exactly what it’s about and all the messaging that’s come out about from Labor as they’ve always been critical of temporary migration. It’ll be a bit of window-dressing, along the lines of making all the temporaries permanent or something like that. It’s definitely going to be a numbers fudge.

  10. If the ALP draws a line in the sand on immigration, and manages not to stuff it all up, then a WA wipeout will be in the cards for the Libs. Scummo will have wedged himself. What a muppet.

    On the other side of the equation, they will face a full frontal barrage from Australia’s corporate media if they do…

    The real question is whether they have the balls? I think it is there for the taking but they will still need to run the gauntlet of the corrupt media response if they do.

    • RobotSenseiMEMBER

      The MSM are on the nose. The people who fall for that stuff will vote LNP anyway. Younger people will see the upside in wage growth from less immigration. None of them watch MSM anyway – TikTok and YouTube are going to kill Fox in 10 years.

      Labor should go for it of that’s what they believe in. I’d do everything in my power to spread the word – heck, I might even join.

  11. Well said to the Artist formerly known as Gunna.

    I can actually see myself voting for Labor if they get this right. But I can also see myself kicking my own butt later if they backtrack on it. Decisions decisions.

    • Narapoia451MEMBER

      Vote labour = they will probably run a mass immigration scheme
      Vote LNP = they will definitely run a mass immigration scheme. And buttf#&K the future generations of the country in any way necessary to make money for their mates now.

      It’s a giant douche or a turd sandwich, pick which you like best.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        Labor are even worse than LNP.

        Labor will take from the middle and hand it to a growing number of poor they bring here.

        In 50 years it won’t matter, LNP or Labor, we’ll all be poor except the uber rich 1%.

        LNP and Labor are both a disaster for existing Australians. For the next 50 years, Labor more so.

        • The LNP upskirters are worse than Labour by a country mile.

          Labour are still rubbish compared to any independent (other than PHON and Mrs Palmer) but your analysis is typically one eyed and consistently stupid.

  12. blindjusticeMEMBER

    Australia mulls post-study work visas for offshore graduates
    see here:

    Then note the following:
    More than 150,000 international student visa holders are stuck overseas.

    October 2021, the number of international student visa holders in Australia was down to 266,000. In October 2019, before the pandemic, 578,000 international student visa holders were living in Australia.

    all against the backdrop of an accommodation crisis brewing

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Labor used language like…”students stuck overseas”….”bring Australians home (from India who hadn’t been here for 10 years)”…”bring them home to Biloela”.

      Labor are treacherous.

  13. Wow some people have literally lost the plot

    Don’t vote Labor because *wave hands* you can’t trust them.

    Jeepers talk about forest and trees.

    Meanwhile you have an LNP that doesn’t want an integrity commission , nothing on climate change, totally corrupt taxpayer grants approach, and everything else and Labor can’t be trusted ?

    Deary me that is some tortured logic

    Those people will vote LNP and be here in 3 years of more of the same decrying Labor’s ills which by the way will be what 12-13 years in the past

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      It is tortured logic thinking going from LNP to Labor, Labor to LNP and back again and again and again works.


      We need a new solution. No one is saying vote LNP. Don’t vote for either of them.

      • As you know very well Totes, the way the preferential voting system works, you cannot help but vote for one of them.
        Note the recent entheusiastic bipartisan legislation to make it harder for new emerging political parties, by upping the number of members they need to register.
        Lib/ Lab have this game sewn up, and so it will remain.
        The only circuit breaker possible is for the Greens to grow their vote to 30% and the emergence of real independents.
        Then changes to our political system will be possible.

  14. Muttafukaburrasaurus.MEMBER

    Australians falsely assume that their vote counts. The level of insider corruption, tax revenues allocated to advance private business interests and blatant dishonesty and lies is at all time highs….
    ALP, LIB, NATs, Greens are destroying the Australian environment, society and economy for their own party purposes. They do not represent their electorates and no longer even pretend to
    All party politicians are compromised to a individual or organisational benefactor, they are all untrustworthy and immigration is a easy means of making money, repaying favours whilst bullshitting a facade of righteousness.
    Vote for your electorate, vote a local independent,

  15. SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

    its time…. to vote out the LNP i don’t care how much faith i have in Labor, the LNP are OUT OF CONTROL

  16. You all need to be a great deal more careful with your language. We do not vote in this country, we preference. This has earned Labor a preference above the LNP for me, unless they say or do something to f it up like they did last time. However, the only party lower than this nasty pair on my ballot will be the Greens.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Yep. Like the the Claw said. Labor have earned the position of second LAST.

      Same as you, I’ll be putting Labor 3rd last. Greens last.

      If most Australians voted this way, goes without saying, it’d be over for big Australia, LNP and Labor.

  17. Frydenburg claims to desire a tighter labour market to put upward pressure on wages but there is no outline of how.

    They recently stated they wanted to increase immigration to 160k (this helps capital obviously) so how does that help wages

    Joe Schlock can’t parse this apparent contradiction so Labor had better start doing it for them ands fast

  18. Jumping jack flash

    “Within that bubble the only way to achieve ‘growth’ is to increase the numbers of people in the bubble”

    Yes, or we can raise prices and pay for them with stimulus (government debt) or more private debt.

    There is pretty much just those two options, and consider how the wages are created to pay the extra people when we dont actually manufacture any more stuff proportionally.
    There are advantages and disadvanges for either.

  19. The thing about a Ponzi is that it must grow or die. Unfortunately it’s not just the population which must grow to sustain the Big Australia farce, it’s the rate of growth which must also grow. Ten years from now we could potentially be looking back wistfully at the days of 250k per annum human imports as our overlords needs require a million MOAR warm:bodies every couple of years or less.

    ALP and LNP are the illusion of choice available here in our local branch of the global neoliberal franchise. Bot will enforce the dictate of population growth but the provincial colour permissible on the smaller issues such as an ICAC lends weight to a preference for the ALP out of the two.

    Neither party has the best interests of Australians at heart and neither deserve to be within cooee of power. Sustainable Australia or bust.

  20. You didn’t mention the 4th problem – overseas money laundering driving inner city high density low quality property development and crush loading of our infrastructure.

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      Isn’t it strange how many of the 4 to 10 story apartment developments stopped dead, when our great northern neighbor put the brakes on capital outflows.

      Don’t know about Sydney or Brisbane ATM.

  21. MerkwürdigliebeMEMBER

    Meaningless clicks in very high voices……..

    Businesses may face battle to woo skilled migrants

    By Shane Wright
    December 13, 2021 — 5.00am

    Hopes local companies will fill their shortages of skilled workers with migrants could be stymied by the tight global jobs market with new research showing Australian businesses face a tough fight against international competitors.

    Hopes that big business will be able to increase the Population Ponzi Harvest, could be stymied by the dawning realisation that other nations are also harvesting migrants and may be able to offer more than low paying casualised employment.  Australians currently gaining positions and even pay increases because of the Covid related absence can splurge this Christmas with return to normal over the past generation being held at bay by the Omicron outbreak and a forthcoming Federal election where nobody wants to mention the word immigration, but ¾ of the electorate would love to know what the positions of mainstream politicians actually are.

    Data compiled by online jobs site business Indeed suggests it may not be easy to entice skilled migrants away from their home markets or prevent them going to other nations offering larger paypackets.

    Does the journalist in question here really need to Indeed people to come to this conclusion?

    The international border is due to open on Wednesday for skilled migrants and international students in a development the business community is hoping will ease wage pressures and fix worker shortages across a growing number of industries.

    Is there a single sector of the economy actually experiencing a ‘worker shortage’ that couldn’t be fixed with a pay rise for some occupations, or training up some locals?  Maybe nursing or health care (in the wake of Covid).  But can this journo (or any other journo) actually get down into nominating which actual occupations are short?  And of those which are ‘short’ how many are actually low paying, low skill, meaningless drudgery, and of the ‘skilled’ migrants expected to be enticed how many are actually anticipating getting employment in the sector of their ‘skill’?

    International student arrivals are down 99.7 per cent on their pre-COVID levels while skilled visas were down 44 per cent through 2020-21 on the previous year. Those granted visas were almost exclusively in the country before the international border was shut early last year.

    Yep.  Some numberwang to show International students are down, and skilled visas are down, but still nothing to show where these ‘skill shortages’ actually are.  This ‘journalist’ doesn’t want to go there.

    Indeed senior economist Callam Pickering said while there were some early signs of a lift in interest from prospective skilled migrants, the market was very different to the pre-virus world.

    “The challenge for Australia will be attracting highly skilled workers in a tight and globally competitive labour market,” he said.

    “Jobs in many economies, including those from places where Australia traditionally attracts talent, are now tighter than before the pandemic. Australian businesses will need to be proactive in attracting overseas talent if they are to compete successfully against other countries.”

    Callam, a decent human being who has taken part in MB podcasts, is spot on the money.  The economy is different.  For those occupations where there may be a skills shortage the market will be tighter – and the only way of attracting people in a tightening market is to put more on the plate – but we come back to identifying precisely where those skills shortages actually are.

    Overseas jobseekers accounted for 6.4 per cent of the clicks on Australian job postings between January and October this year, up from 5.7 per cent in 2020 but still short of the 6.7 per cent rate recorded in 2019.

    Clicks have fallen most for positions in high education occupations such as banking and finance, engineering, information design, scientific research and mathematics.

    We are down to counting clicks……

    But we do come to the question of why high education occupations would consider Australia, as Australia doesn’t do all that much requiring a high education and where it does it tends to have large numbers of home grown highly educated people.  Of the occupations listed only the ‘scientific research’ is likely to have to import skills, and that would only be in particular circumstances.

    But interest in blue-collar jobs such as installation and maintenance or in manufacturing has lifted compared to many other occupations. High level of interest has remained in medical and construction fields.

    Mr Pickering said almost 40 per cent of Australia’s skilled migrants came from Britain and India while another sizeable proportion came from The Philippines.

    Is there a single blue collar occupation where there is a shortage of employees in Australia?  More specifically is there a single blue collar occupation in Australia with a skills shortage which couldn’t be addressed by bringing some kids through TAFE? Poms Indians and Filipinos….All fine, but what is the actual demand?

    He said these countries were also experiencing a tight jobs market, which may make it more difficult to attract migrants to Australia without substantial financial incentives.  

    Yep.  That would make the whole point of the exercise more questionable and add weight to examining the actual need to import people and to training up locals here.

    Mr Pickering said the temporary skilled visa program will ramp up as the borders reopen but it could be easily derailed by fresh virus outbreaks.

    “The recovery though still has a long way to go and could potentially be delayed by the emergence of the Omicron variant,” he said.

    That would be right.  It simply adds more weight to the question, ‘why are we importing people who will represent a known health risk to the Australian population?’

    Figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics this week are expected to confirm a surge in the number of people coming back into the workforce before the re-opening of the country to skilled migrants and international students from Wednesday.

    Commonwealth Bank economists are expecting the jobless rate to have fallen from 5.2 per cent to 4.7 per cent in November with the creation of 250,000 jobs across the country.

    Yes the floodgates reopen this week. That means that if an Omicron outbreak occurs in January or March there might be a lot of finger pointing.   Yes it seems that somewhere about 4.7% is the bottom rung of NAIRU, and that the Australian job market would need to go a lot lower before there was any meaningful need for the population Ponzi.

    If we think that now is Christmas spending of a cashed up population which will diminish as the funds run out and the economy descends to earth, the need for those population Ponziteers becomes more questionable.

    But after all that is it just me, or has this guy written a piece about labour shortages bases on click movements at Indeed?………

  22. Arthur Schopenhauer

    I can’t vote from them. They are about as much an Everyman party as a PhD from the ANU on the political life of Paul Keating.

    Political staffer lickspittles, adept at playing the stooge game. Change is not going to emerge from that club.

    Be Independent. Vote Independent.

      • Arthur Schopenhauer

        Easily done. Those currently in government last. The great pretenders, second last.

        Not looking forward to filling out the Senate Ballot! 😀 Every single Fkn box!

        Get out and help your local independent.

        Be Independent. Vote Independent.

  23. LMAO, The golden child of progressive labour politics with a stomping majority across the ditch didn’t just fail to act on her migration promises, her party consciously did the exact opposite!

    Here we are holding out hope that the ALP under Albo would someone do it differently based on what….? Oh, an implied policy position from a media statement on worker training?

    Give me realistic odds and i’ll take the other side of that bet any day of the week! The ponzi lives on!