China is marching on Australia and we are horribly unprepared

Pretending to care is the bete noir of modern politics. As a singular globalisation ideology has moved inexorably foward, politicians and media have become little more than baubles adorning an unstoppable machine. They pretend to care about various interests groups impacted but nobody really challenges the status quo.

Now this phony debate has taken a hold of Australia’s China relationship. We are still well short of meaningful action. And so the problem will keep getting worse.

Trailing MB by the usual five years or so, at least the MSM has grasped that there is a problem. Leading us off on the weekend was Domain:

A Chinese spy has risked his life to defect to Australia and is now offering a trove of unprecedented inside intelligence on how China conducts its interference operations abroad.

Wang “William” Liqiang is the first Chinese operative to ever blow his cover. He has revealed the identities of China’s senior military intelligence officers in Hong Kong, as well as providing details of how they fund and conduct political interference operations in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Australia

Mr Wang has taken his material to Australia’s counter-espionage agency, ASIO, and is seeking political asylum – potentially opening another front in Australia’s challenging bilateral relationship with China.

…In interviews with The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and 60 Minutes, he has revealed in granular detail how Beijing covertly controls listed companies to fund intelligence operations, including the surveillance and profiling of dissidents and the co-opting of media organisations.

Nothing new there, beyond it coming from the horse’s mouth. That is useful because it puts those that pretend to care on the spot, also at Domain:

Prominent Liberal MP Andrew Hastie has praised the courage of a former Chinese spy who has defected to Australia, and called for the government to urgently protect him.

Mr Hastie, who chairs the federal parliament’s Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security, said intelligence operative Wang Liqiang was a “friend of democracy” for exposing the Chinese government’s systematic and sweeping foreign interference operations.

Liberal MP Andrew Hastie says Wang Liqiang, who has revealed Chinese spy secrets, deserves Australia’s protection.

“I’m of the view that anyone who’s willing to assist us in defending our sovereignty deserves our protection,” Mr Hastie said, urging the government to grant Mr Wang asylum. “I think he deserves our protection and our support.”

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton and Foreign Minister Marise Payne were both approached for comment but did not respond. Treasurer Josh Frydenberg declined to comment on the “particulars of individual cases” but said the revelations did “concern” the government.

Bravo Hastie, one of the few with conviction. It gets worse, also at Domain:

Australian authorities are investigating claims that a Chinese espionage ring tried to install an agent for Beijing in a seat in Federal Parliament.

Sources with knowledge of the alleged plot believe the suspected Chinese intelligence group offered a million dollars to pay for the political campaign of Liberal Party member and Melbourne luxury car dealer Bo “Nick” Zhao, 32 to run for an eastern suburbs seat. The plot appears to be part of an operation to place a Chinese agent in parliament.

Mr Zhao disclosed the alleged approach to ASIO about a year ago, according to his associates and multiple Western security sources, and he identified the man he says approached him as another Melbourne businessman, Brian Chen.

Mr Chen (Chinese name Chen Chunsheng) has denied knowing Mr Zhao or being involved in Chinese intelligence activities. However, sources say Australian authorities have determined that Mr Chen had been in contact with Mr Zhao.

Mr Zhao’s claims have sparked an investigation into the alleged efforts by Chinese military intelligence to place an espionage asset in Canberra.

…In March this year, Mr Zhao was found dead in a Melbourne motel room. Local police who have prepared a brief for the coroner have been unable to conclude how he died.

ASIO is so incensed that it released a statement:

Statement from the Director-General of Security, Mike Burgess

24 November 2019

Foreign Interference

The reporting on Nine’s Sixty Minutes contains allegations that ASIO takes seriously.As the Director-General of Security, I am committed to protecting Australia’s democracyand sovereignty.Australians can be reassured that ASIO was previously aware of matters that have beenreported today, and has been actively investigating them.

However, in accordance with long-standing practice, I will not comment on thisparticular operational matter, including any detail of the individuals involved. Given thatthe matter in question is subject to a coronial inquiry, and as not to prejudice ourinvestigations, it would be inappropriate to comment further.

Hostile foreign intelligence activity continues to pose a real threat to our nation and itssecurity. ASIO will continue to confront and counter foreign interference and espionagein Australia.

If the revelations do concern the Government then why is Gladys Liu still poisoning its ranks? Why hasn’t Home Affairs properly funded and deployed the Foreign Interference Co-ordinator? Why isn’t there a federal ICAC? Why is nobody enforcing the Foreign Influence Register? Why is Recessionberg still approving wildly inappropriate CCP takeovers of Aussie firms?

These are only the basic mechanisms of protecting our sovereignty. They’re neither aggressive nor difficult. Yet, so far, not even they can get off the canvas. Much harder questions like a national strategy to diversify away from China, boosted defense spending, and what happens to a Chinese diaspora amid a genuine conflict are still considered impertinent.

At least rhetoric is turning. Someone other than MB has finally given Paul Xeating the slap upside the head he so fulsomely deserves, via Peter Hartcher:

Duncan Lewis retired in September after five years as head of ASIO. In his only interview since leaving the job, I asked him what the Chinese government wants from Australia. The Herald and Age published his answer on Friday: “They are trying to place themselves in a position of advantage. Espionage and foreign interference is insidious. Its effects might not present for decades and by that time it’s too late. You wake up one day and find decisions made in our country that are not in the interests of our country. Not only in politics but also in the community or in business. It takes over, basically, pulling the strings from offshore.”

In Keating’s world, the response would be to try to delegitimise ASIO and the Herald as nutters or nominally pious belchers, or something equally colourful. Fun stuff, but it doesn’t confront the reality that China seeks covert control of Australia’s sovereignty.

“Paul’s been giving the same sort of speech for five years,” says an Australian foreign policy expert who asked not to be named. “The situation has changed in the last five years. China has toughened and hardened and that’s why the debate in Australia has changed. Paul’s a bit out of date.”

Keating affects sophistication. But in truth his conception is super-simplistic – China is big and getting bigger so be nice and don’t upset them. The reality is much harder – how do you work with a big economic partner while it’s trying covertly to take control of your country? You don’t succeed by pretending it’s not happening.

The China Development Bank shows Keating as a member of its international advisory board. You have to wonder, when he advises this big state-owned bank, does he give it facts or fantasies? Because, based on his speech this week, he’s urging Australia to join his China fantasy, not face facts. He needs to harden up.

Amen to that. Anyone in the CCP-riddled ALP listening? Apparently not, via Domain:

The senior Labor member of federal Parliament’s peak security committee has called for a “comprehensive assessment” of a potential Chinese defector to consider his claims for asylum without rushing to judgment on the complex case.

The deputy chair of the joint security and intelligence committee, Anthony Byrne, warned against a “knee-jerk” response to the case amid Chinese claims that Wang Liqiang was not a spy but a convicted fraudster.

Versus what a patriot sounds like:

…Centre Alliance senator Rex Patrick said the authorities would have to give the “strongest consideration” to the potential defector’s circumstances.

“I have no doubt in my mind that he would be the subject of severe consequences were he to return to China,” Senator Patrick said.

Yet even Hartcher is still far behind the curve. He argues that we ought to be enforcing laws that do not even exist with insitutional structure yet:

Modern Australian multiculturalism has no difficulty with the international attachments of immigrants. A Hawke government immigration minister, Robert Ray, liked to quip with various ethnic communities that while he fully expected the first-generation immigrants to cheer for the sports teams from their country of origin, their Australian-born kids should be screaming for the Aussie teams. In other words, we understand that you have ties of sentiment and bonds of kinship to other countries, and we’re unconcerned. We know it takes time to put down roots in new social soil. This is a part of democratic pluralism and it’s an enrichment of a society. But it cannot tolerate acts to advance a foreign political movement with hostile intentions.

…But two big questions remain. Are there covert agents of Chinese government influence working in Australia? And why are the foreign influence laws not being enforced?

Because they were designed to pretend to care of course. And while we pretend, without effective sovereignty, the problem only gets worse.

The upsetting truth is that as durable as Australian multiculturalism has proven, it has never faced an adversary like this. It’s much harder than Islamic fundamentalism, an attempted corruption of Muslim diasporas by a small band of genuflecting psychopaths. Multiculturalism respulsed that pathetic insurgency easily with local Mussies horrifed at the loons in their midst and working hand-in-glove with authorities.

You can’t simply hope that local ethnic Chinese will self-police the CCP. It’s not their fault, either. This is a giant interwoven historical identity with added bribe, extortion and bullying of the local Chinese community. It is pre-modern, orchestrated and directed by vast insitutions, state violence and supported by the second largest economy on earth. It makes Al Qaeda look like cabbage patch kids.

I fear that there is no answer to this other than to block it; to cut the number of Chinese migrants flowing in. That is obviously offensive to the multicultural ethos so total migrant numbers must be cut instead, to disguise the Chinese reduction. That will give the local Chinese community time to bulwark itself against strangling CCP tentacles.

There are already two effectively ethnic Chinese controlled electorates in Australia, including the one held by the appalling Gladys Liu. That is not to say that they will always vote with CCP sympathies. But they will obviously be vulnerable to its attacks. Two more ethnic Chinese electorates and wider Australia might lose the ability to ever cut immigration again, not to mention many other policies that will aid a CCP takeover.

As you can see, the debate is still far short of the reality. Alas, it may remain so until crisis triggers blowback, via Natasha Kassam and Richard McGregor at The Australian on Taiwan:

China has been taking a leaf out of the Russian playbook by overtly and covertly influencing local media and community groups, taking control of some newspapers and television stations, and seeding money to candidates through clan and temple associations that proliferate on the island.

…In Taiwan, political leaders worry that Xi wants to cement his legacy with a breakthrough on Taiwan. Once shy about revealing its strengths, Beijing under Xi has adopted a different approach, flaunting its wealth and power and equipping the People’s Liberation Army to deter any challengers.

But while the conventional balance in military power is tipping towards China, a full-scale invasion remains unlikely. The People’s Liberation Army would have to mount an amphibious invasion, which is risky. Even if Beijing were to take Taiwan militarily, that would hardly be the end of the issue. “This would only be the start of a much larger open-ended political and security crisis for China and the region in the face of Taiwanese resistance,” Harrison says.

“Mass refugees, capital flight and the mobilisation of Taiwanese diasporas would test national politics in many countries, especially Australia. On top of that, sustaining an occupation of Taiwan by the PLA for possibly years would test China’s military resources and the strength of its political institu­tions.” It is no wonder, then, that Beijing prefers its current strategy of multi-front hybrid warfare against the island to force an opening of talks.

Taiwanese leaders live on the edge, determinedly cultivating support in the US and Western ­democracies, which they see as their best bet to hold off Beijing. As Taiwan’s Foreign Minister Joseph Wu says: “We need to prepare ourselves for the worst.”

Indeed. As I noted last week, any move by Beijing to take over Taiwan, no matter what the US does initially, will result in a massive and ceaseless guerilla war conducted across the entire Chinese front from Sapporo to Hobart, co-ordinated from the safety of the United States.

Yet there is an inexorable logic for a CCP move on Taiwan eventually. As its economy slows and the social contract with Chinese middle classes fails, the CCP will seek more external enemies to remain in power at home. Perhaps it will never come to war but rising hostility is assured and that makes kinetic conflict an unsettling probability.

What is Australian multiculturalism going to do then? Round up ethnic Chinese en masse like Japanese internments in WW2? Three or four million of them?

The sad fact of the matter is that post-modern Australia is a construct based upon the presumption of the end of history; the global triumph of liberal democracy. A liberalising China was supposed to be a part of that.

But history is back and it will take no prisoners as it drives a CCP tank over such delicate bourgeous notions.

It’s time we sober up and discuss how to win the silent war we find ourselves in.

Houses and Holes

David Llewellyn-Smith is Chief Strategist at the MB Fund and MB Super. David is the founding publisher and editor of MacroBusiness and was the founding publisher and global economy editor of The Diplomat, the Asia Pacific’s leading geo-politics and economics portal.

He is also a former gold trader and economic commentator at The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, the ABC and Business Spectator. He is the co-author of The Great Crash of 2008 with Ross Garnaut and was the editor of the second Garnaut Climate Change Review.

Comments

  1. Holy cow the government will have no choice except to act now. I expect right now someone is on the Tony abbot grocery watch website to run down and purchase a fresh crisp head of lettuce. Then peel of a prime lettuce leaf to slap the Chinese government into place. Well done. That will show them

      • Cos great distraction.
        Let me start by saying I reckon half the Chinese who migrated to Australia did so to escape living in China…
        The other half are here to watch the first half.
        There are 2 subjects that have cropped up in the last week or so that Scummy does not want to (or can’t) deal with.
        One is the WestPac Bank major crime fiasco, the other rampant wild fires enhanced by Climate Change.
        Hence Distraction.
        This explains H&H’s puzzle :
        If the revelations do concern the Government then why is Gladys Liu still poisoning its ranks? Why hasn’t Home Affairs properly funded and deployed the Foreign Interference Co-ordinator? Why isn’t there a federal ICAC? Why is nobody enforcing the Foreign Influence Register? Why is Recessionberg still approving wildly inappropriate CCP takeovers of Aussie firms?

  2. “there is no answer to this other than to block it; to cut the number of Chinese migrants flowing in”

    -/-
    It’s a bit late for that…

    When we already have 1.46 million Chinese mainland born communists in Australia onshore…

    And incredibly, 1.23 million of those are Chinese foreign nationals on Chinese sole passports!
    *details below.

    How about we vet & deport over a 1 million of these Chinese Nationals? Chinese mainland born communists on sole Chinese passports who should never have been allowed in.

    China has been dumping it’s Hukou slum clearance into Australia & other countries for over a decade.

    Not just their spies & lobbyists with Aldi bags of cash.

    The bulk of the Chinese coming in are their social misfits, their old, sick & useless, their petty criminals & vice workers & pimps, their drug & the money laundering mules.

    Anyone familiar with China can see that it’s not their best or brightest, or skilled. It’s rurals & internal illegals. 2nd generation peasant stock & broken down factory workers, old, sick dependents who are a burden to China and so are being exported.

    What’s coming in is Chinese Hukou internal illegals – tier 1 city slum clearance, being packaged up & sent to Australia as infill for their southern colony.
    (Shades of the British decision in 1776 to populate its newly discovered colonies with the exact same slum clearance, the rural poor who overcrowded their cities. the misfits, the convicts & their social burden)

    China has over 100 million Hukou internal illegals in their tier 1 cities.

    Read this article if you are not familiar with the Chinese Hukou internal illegal issue & the Chinese plan.
    (Foreign Policy February 2018)
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/01/chinas-middle-class-is-pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-itself/

    They built the ghost cities but still couldn’t get them to move & the CCP feared a revolt.
    So now they ‘export’ this social burden.

    The Chinese government do this in collaboration with the Chinese criminal syndicates who run the trafficking to exploit every foreign country border and visa program.
    They don’t need refrigerated trucks to get these Chinese Hukou illegals into Australia.

    $2k or 10,000 ¥ buys an Australian PR in Guangzhou.
    (Australian Financial Review April 2016)
    https://www.afr.com/politics/australian-residency-for-just-2000-in-china-20160403-gnx4xu

    Australia is a very easily exploited target.
    We allow anything in.
    We don’t even ask for their Hukou status or social credit score. Their identities & papers are routinely faked with the Chinese government working with the Chinese criminal syndicates to fake identities & documents to export the Hukou internal illegal problem.

    The Chinese mainland born communists flooded in on a literal conveyor belt from their Chinese mainland slum to an equivalent Australia Chinese slum.

    90% or 1.3 million are in just Sydney or Melbourne.
    Living in exact replica slums of what you see in China.

    As fake ‘students’ on very long stay pretext courses, up to 9 year stays with COe & visa churn.

    Or as ‘sponsored’, ‘spousal’, ‘family reunion’, ‘investment visa’, ‘regional & rural’, or ‘NZ SCV’ all of it totally broken & corrupted.

    Of they just come in on a long stay tourist visitor to also work illegally in the locally run Chinese run black economy.

    And then we grant them a PR, welfare & Medicare, while they remain Chinese foreign nationals on a sole Chinese passport.

    So “reducing the Chinese intake” helps.
    Of course.

    But it does not deal with the size & scale of the problem of the Chinese mainland born communists foreign nationals already here.

    They all need to be vetted and their PR/TR/SCV/TR grant cancelled & deported back to China while they still have a Chinese National sole passport.

    That’s the only way to remove the burden China has dumped into Australia by infill colonisation in dumping their old, sick & useless & criminal class into Australia.

    -/-

    *1.46 million Chinese mainland born communists in Australia.

    An entire Hukou underclass, beholden to their criminal trafficking syndicates & China 🇨🇳 First.

    🇨🇳238,000 Chinese mainland born communists as Australian citizens. (ABS). First wave organisers, their old, sick & useless and misfits.

    🇨🇳431,000 Chinese mainland born communists as PR but sole Chinese passport. (ABS)
    China First, never assimilating, the base & hub of the Chinese criminal & trafficking. Sucking up our Medicare & Welfare. On Centrelink as they work illegally plus ‘lend’ out the Medicare to the TR & TV for Medicare Tourism. The operators of the drug trade & vice network. Proxies for the $80 billion of Chinese dirty money laundered into Australian established rental property to run as cash in hand migrant bunk share .

    That’s 669,000 so far.

    Then add
    🇨🇳572,000 Chinese mainland born communists as TR or via the NZ SCV loophole. (DHA)
    Chinese mainland born communists.
    On sole Chinese passports
    Our future Chinese PR.
    Nearly 300,000 as so called ‘foreign students or partners’ The other 275,000 on a spray of visa rackets such as investment, so called ‘skilled / partner or dependent, regional & rural, spousal, protection or special visa.. Or via the NZ SCZ loophole or other ‘stepping stone countries’.
    Every visa category is exploited.

    -> 1,241,000 so far.

    🇨🇳At least 200,000 Chinese mainland born communists of the 440,000 Tourist Visitors who enter to live & work illegally (DHA Parliamentary submission – 5% of the 8.8 million Tourist Visitors enter Australia to live & work illegally. Chinese & Indians are the bulk of it. Long stay & repeat stay)

    -> That’s 1.441 million Chinese mainland born communists inside Australia.

    Only 16% or 238,000 are Australian citizens.

    It is why they have little real voting clout at the moment but are positioning for the future in gaining more direct CCP & Chinese criminal syndicate political control.

    Buying influence by bribes, then by infiltration for control is the Chinese way.

    Right now 84% or 1.2 million of the Chinese mainland born communists inside Australia are not citizens.
    They are on PR, TR, SCV & TV.

    A good million of those on vetting will be found to have lied, paid bribes, had false documents, and some form of visa breach.

    They have no intention of assimilation.
    They are Chinese Nationals, living in a foreign colony and will remain beholden to China control & influence.

    Wake up Australia.

    • Her back is arched, those lips are parched
      Repeated blow by blow
      Later at the party all the MP’s rave…..
      Australia well prepared….legs akimbo…protection overrated, spoils sensation, spontaneity and general party atmosphere. Oz like any ol $lut will suffer in silence and leave unexpected offspring to live with consequences.

    • Well they have sent them to the right place.
      A functioning Penal Colony.
      Don’t believe me ?
      I refer you to the current NSW police comssioner on the subject of using fear on young people to gain respect as an effective policing tactic.
      Secondly the Tasmanian govts proposed environment protest laws that could imprison climate protestors for 21 YEARS

  3. A simple alternative for the points based immigration system, is to base it on intelligence and psychometric testing, similar to what a lot of companies use to find bright candidates with a good attitude/personality. As long as the test is in English only, it would dramatically change the composition of Australia’s immigration intake while ensuring only English speaking high IQ good character types get through.

    • corporations are allowed everything including to discriminate based on almost anything
      not sure you have been to any of the English speaking countries recently (not as tourist), if an average natural born citizens come from these countries we would definitely be worse off than with current composition of immigrants

      composition of immigrants is not a problem, number is

      • Composition is a big problem, because the country is being Asianised.
        However for starters, I’m happy if the government set the net immigration intake to 50,000 a year.

      • When you’re relying almost solely on ‘wealthy’ Chinese to prop up your ailing housing market that doesn’t quite cut the mustard.

        Signed
        The Property PM

  4. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Scummo to actually do something. It’s absolutely disgusting what’s happening in Australia (and NZ) how our leaders are utterly failing us as they panda (pun intended) to big business and money/corruption interests.

  5. Can I ask a genuine Q (I don’t really understand all this)
    Could China militarily invade Australia
    Make us surrender under Chinese control ?

    My friend is a military buff and he said it would take the Americans too long to build up forces

    • existing US navy (larger than the rest of the world combined) would have a trouble of logistically supporting more than few 10k of soldiers on the Australian ground
      our defense is our remoteness

    • I am no expert but:
      – intel and satellite imagery etc would warn of an invasion long before it actually occurred.
      – the US could easily threaten to launch several ICBMs at Beijing, Shanghai etc (and do so if needed).

      I don’t see it, unless it became crystal clear that straya was no longer considered strategically important to the US anymore (even the mother country has nukes and subs).

      The biggest threat to our security is the US suffering serious economic decline (collapse of the Roman Empire kind of stuff).

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        Multiculturalism is cultural suicide and with our cultures death, so to will our democracy die.

        It is amusing to see the knots that people are tying themselves in now to try and justify and qualify their support for these disastrous immigration and social policies – it reminds me of Communists trying to justify why socialism has always inevitably failed.

        “Yes, yes, there are lots of problems with our current immigration policy, and it is negatively impacting our social cohesion and the functioning of our Democracy, but the reason why we’re having these problems is the fact that we haven’t had proper Multiculturalism rolled out in Australia….”

        Nah – the reason why it doesn’t work is because over the longer term (measured in more than one arrogant generations life span) it has NEVER worked.

        Assimilation and Integration is the only valid and moral approach to the question of immigration in Australia and the guise under which it should be run:

        Conditions of immigration into Australia
        Australia’s immigration policy is directed towards the maintenance of a socially cohesive and homogeneous nation. It seeks to avoid the creation of permanent minority groups resistant to integration even through successive generations. The policy does not exclude persons of any ethnic origin; but it does exercise prudent caution in the matter of accepting large numbers of people with substantially different backgrounds, characteristics and customs who may resist general integration even in the long term.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            Of course – smart voters will make all the differences.

            I bet that is why Communism has never worked anywhere either – dumb people.

            Weird how dumb people never try and roll out stupid policies like Multiculturalism and Communism…. it always seems to be those smart intellectuals who instigate and lobby for these policies that go against all common sense.

    • UrbanWastelandMEMBER

      If they did that, all the lefties might notice and they’d be worse off than they currently are with so many Australians themselves supporting their cause. The long game is more effective.

    • China cannot land and supply enough troops to conquer us, so a direct military invasion cannot work.

      China does not have enough naval hardware, nor blue water experience to blockade us. IT would take time for both, and we would observe a navy build up in place. However this navy build up would scare the hell out of all other countries in the region, who would likewise respond with a navy build up of their own, thus relegating more the PLAN to remain near home waters.

      Australia fields 1 regular division, and 1 reserve division. it has enough former servicemen for another 2, so we could get to 4 divisions pretty easily of reasonably high quality.

      D-Day, the greatest amphibious invasion in history
      Landed 10 divisions in two days,
      Across a stretch of water 180km long
      By the two greatest industrial powers of the day
      With a 2 year build up with war time production
      With total air and naval superiority

      And it was a near run thing.

      Our military doctrine has always been
      i) Blows ships out of the water on their way here (subs, maritime strike aircraft)
      ii) Protect our SLOC (ASW frigates)

      We do that very well…

      other than that, we have a battalions of our finest, who enlist because they want to fight who build up our foreign relationships doing some dirty work.

      Even 1st divisions doesn’t deploy any more.

      • As I said above, forget about the military aspects – that is the 19th century way of doing things.

        I wonder if America will collapse. If what is happening over there has been orchestrated by Putin, he is the man for the 21st century.

          • Putin does not need to control the USA. All he would need is to paralyze the USA so that he can move freely elsewhere.

            Mass sacking of the key career national security personnel and gutting of the national security agencies would be a good start.

      • I’m not sure that I agree.
        Are you suggesting that China couldn’t achieve a marine blockade of Australia if they controlled say three critical sea-lanes. Let’s assume it’s 2030 and China has established Navy and Airforce bases in Solomon Islands, PNG and East Timor as well as direct operational control of several Australian ports (like Darwin). IF this were the case than they would have already solved most of the logistical problems associated with sustaining a naval blockade, they’d also have a close staging ground from which to mount an invasion.
        There are so many ways that China could simply overwhelm Australia’s defense facilities. Just look of the coast of Newcastle on any day and you’ll see something like 10 Coal ships patiently waiting to be loaded. How long would it take for a well trained expeditionary force to exit from coal ships and get to the coast (what maybe 5km) at 50km/h they’d have control of the port of Newcastle in under 10 min and RAAF Williamtown base airport in under 20 min.
        It could happen that quickly.
        If we were already in a shooting match than it might take a little longer but remember that Australia has no strategic Oil reserves and less than 2 weeks supply of Petrol. so a two week naval embargo would bring Australia to heal.

        All that I’m trying to point out is that most of the Defense resources would simply never be deployed because we would surrender before they needed to fire the first shot.

        • “I’m not sure that I agree.
          Are you suggesting that China couldn’t achieve a marine blockade of Australia if they controlled say three critical sea-lanes.

          Let’s assume it’s 2030 and China has established Navy and Airforce bases in Solomon Islands, PNG and East Timor as well as direct operational control of several Australian ports (like Darwin). IF this were the case than they would have already solved most of the logistical problems associated with sustaining a naval blockade, they’d also have a close staging ground from which to mount an invasion.”

          Yeah, shipping would departing Sydney/Melbourne and sail below NZ, or leave Perth and sail in a SW direction for a while. Convoys take different routes in war time.

          “There are so many ways that China could simply overwhelm Australia’s defense facilities. Just look of the coast of Newcastle on any day and you’ll see something like 10 Coal ships patiently waiting to be loaded. How long would it take for a well trained expeditionary force to exit from coal ships and get to the coast (what maybe 5km) at 50km/h they’d have control of the port of Newcastle in under 10 min and RAAF Williamtown base airport in under 20 min.
          It could happen that quickly.”

          Yeah, I’ve heard plenty of fantasy’s about coal ships/passenger liners causing the military destruction of Australia.

          So in some fantasy land, a company lands at Newcastle and captures a port and airbase, they don’t mean anything for any realistic logistical point of view.

          Where are the Chinese planes that are going to land on this airbase going to be sourced from?
          Where is this entire fleet ready to anchor in Newcastle going to sail from?
          How is this company going to be re-supplied in Newcastle?

          Do you envisage this accompanied by a battle group parked off Australian waters ready to respond to a successful specops mission, idly saying ‘oh, we’re just taking a leisure cruise.’

          The rest of our combat wing will sortie from Brisbane, we have our biggest army base in Holsworthy.

          Any fantasy along those lines in a short, one way mission.

          “If we were already in a shooting match than it might take a little longer but remember that Australia has no strategic Oil reserves and less than 2 weeks supply of Petrol. so a two week naval embargo would bring Australia to heal.”

          Agree, but that’s an economic weakness, not a military one.

          “All that I’m trying to point out is that most of the Defense resources would simply never be deployed because we would surrender before they needed to fire the first shot.”

          Yet in the doomsday scenarios where the Love Boat can conquer Australia with a band of 50 commandos on board, virtually everyone seems to underestimate the resources an opposing nation would need to summon.

          I raised the scenario of a full invasion, a full battle group could only land between Darwin and Exmouth. And it’d have to be a force big enough to overcome something upwards of 5 divisions we would have on our soil in quick time… so you’d be looking at landing at least 20 divisions of the quality of the Chinese army.

          Do you know know how much shipping is required for that? Even if they had the crappy pacific islands as allies, they can’t park all 20 divisions on these, you expect an invasion force to disembark from Hainan?

          Throw in what would be needed as to prevent RAAF aerial superiority….

          Then add in the fact they’re landing between Exmouth and Darwin with no terrain they cannot possibly live off the land. They’d starve or die of thirst, we would voluntarily let them land, and all we would have to do is ping off a few ships here or there as to crush their re-supply chain.

          Our SAS and Norforce are primarily trained as desert operatives to take out targets of opportunity.

          We have a lot of non-military strategic weakness now sure, but this has been a query about the submission of Australia by way of military defeat.

          • Why would anyone want to land an invasion force between Exmouth and Darwin?
            Sure they might choose to do this to secure their Pilbarra resource chains but think any serious attempt to take over Australia would involve invasions aimed at isolating Sydney/Melb from the rest of the nation and than simply waiting for Australia to surrender. Syd/Melb themselves are very susceptible to this sort of supply line attack.
            If I control the Hunter I can turn the Electricity on/off for Sydney at my will

          • “Why would anyone want to land an invasion force between Exmouth and Darwin?”

            Because logistically they don’t have a choice without losing all control in terms of sea and air.

            A fleet coming around the Coral sea is too vulnerable to anti-shipping defences by the extra length of the trip, be it mines, subs, and air sorties. The water from this approach say out of the Solomon’s is a death trap.

            The same as if they went west down the west coast… RAAF Pearce and Fleet Base West aren’t what any force wants to be confronting, let alone multiple sorties because you want to disembark at an ideal location.

            You appear to be underestimating how much an invasion force is disrupted when even a handful of ships are impaired, let alone sunk.

            “Sure they might choose to do this to secure their Pilbarra resource chains but think any serious attempt to take over Australia would involve invasions aimed at isolating Sydney/Melb from the rest of the nation and than simply waiting for Australia to surrender. Syd/Melb themselves are very susceptible to this sort of supply line attack.
            If I control the Hunter I can turn the Electricity on/off for Sydney at my will”

            OK, then the east coast grid rediverts and the punter goes through rations of everything and the bare necessities are still met.

            Our most vulnerable point actually is the capture of oil & gas out of our NW, the rest if pointless fluff, a build up of enemy troops that will starve to death. How are they going to convoy a mission critical armed force anywhere?

            It’s best to play war games with the enemy playing by the same rules we do.

        • With the changes to permitting unfettered access to all roles regardless of gender, then recent changes to recruitment I would never do anything other than discourage a straight male from joining the military in this country.

          However, a hostile act by China towards us would be more toxic than the already toxic culture we have here.

          It may not be you, but 4-5 divisions would easily be made up.

    • If they really wat to do that they will nuke Darwin, Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Brsbane and possibly Canberra.
      ..and take the rest.
      Although with the effects of Cantering Climate Change and the lack of water here , they will probably march into eastern Russia where CCC will for a while enhance the Climate

  6. As I’ve mentioned here before quite some time ago. I read the 100-year marathon. And also I read a fantastic book about Sun Tzu. Art The Art of War I’ve also read a lot of other books that have contributed to my understanding of the situation and I’m not saying that my understanding is correct or even accurate but I do believe that when you read those books that I’ve read. The coming to power of the Trump Administration makes perfect sense. Painted gone maybe the CIA which I’ve newly added to that group that Us in support of Trump’s position or in fact more likely they are Trump is the puppet of those organizations. They are essentially combating Wall Street who is for the open borders and the globalization to continue. This all makes sense in that context.

    However The most recent developments I believe. Suggest that This will end up as a shooting War somewhere between us and China and that will give the opportunity in my opinion to repudiate any debt and confiscate any Investments and that will happen everywhere. This will be part of the ploy part of the plan to cut the legs out from underneath the Chinese economy and take all the Investments. They’ve made offshore because they are at War. This is a very soft underbelly for the Chinese. I hope they’re playing has this in mind because if it doesn’t I think that things could change very rapidly in China when all their money turns to dust.

    • My most extreme belief is that Australia will be the venue for a China / US conflict. More obvious than a proxy war , but not an all-out global confrontation.

      Nice and remote from their respective homelands, they’ll get to argue over our corpse whilst they assess each other’s military might.

      How good does that sound ? Unfortunately, we Aussies .will probably have to cut back on holidays up/ down the coast whilst this goes down.

    • At the current rate of immigration, it is not multiculturalism but a takeover from China and India. Another decade of 200k a year and Sydney/Melbourne will be majority Asian.

      • That should be in regional advertisements along with “Two more ethnic Chinese electorates and wider Australia might lose the ability to ever cut immigration again, not to mention many other policies that will aid a CCP takeover”.

        Regionally, is where all efforts need to be to fight this.

        • IMO that’s absolute worst aspect of immigration – the people who insist on bringing their hatreds and battles with them. PR/Citizenship should not even be considered for 20 years and the slightest hint of this (cultural scuffles at the tennis, criminal record etc) in an prospective applicant during that time should see them tossed back to where they came from.

    • Was illustrative watching ABC discussion on the elections in Sri Lanka and the continued reference to the ability to rely on the Singalese majority which was contested by the Tamils and other religious groups.

      So basically, the reality outcome of multiculturalism was being openly discussed on the national broadcaster without the slightest inclination to believe that we aren’t headed down the same path of democracy being reduced to a power struggle between competing cultures.

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        “the reality outcome of multiculturalism was being openly discussed on the national broadcaster without the slightest inclination to believe that we aren’t headed down the same path of democracy being reduced to a power struggle between competing cultures.”

        That is the reality of it – except in Australia’s case because of our magic soil…. or magic culture it won’t happen here.

        ROFLMGDAO – magic culture – how phucking dumb are the cultural supermacist D1ckheads who believe the thnik tank propaganda that Australia’s culture is so wonderful and progressive that exactly the same sources of conflict that have blighted every other part of the world won’t manifest themselves here?

        The moment our economy stops meeting the increasing diverse needs of competing cultures and their communities values there will be blood on the streets.

        The sad thing is, it won’t be the blood of the kids of those wnakers who’ve waxed so lyrically about how wonderful our magical Multicultural society will be, it will the poor and working class who will be forced to live cheek by jowl with the hostile people and cultures should never have been allowed to even set foot in our country.

        Societies exist to meet the need of THEIR citizens, for centuries – that is the time frame that a phucking social policies success or likelihood of success should be measured in – Multiculturalism has ALWAYS failed everywhere it has ever been tried.

        Rome ceased to exist because Rome stopped being filled with Romans:

        https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6466/708

        Humans have been building civilizations on earth for thousands of years, if Multiculturalism made us stronger and more united, or bestowed ANY marginal benefit over a more homogeneous society, than history’s pages would be littered with Empires that were built by uniting multiple cultures.

        There’s not a single one – that is the cognitive dissonance that anyone championing MultiCult has to leap over in order to say “It will work this time”.

        Wake up, your pathetic need for manufactured moral approval is like a nose ring, leading you and our society to its slaughter.

    • It isn’t an issue with multiculturalsm, which is a word that I don’t particularly like. It is an issue with one government and also with immigration levels. You could return immigration to the long term average and still bring in people of different cultures and avoid the crush loading, exploitation problems, and the other issues that our current system has bought about. On China you obviously treat it differently due to all the information that has come to light.
      Saying that the issue is with multiculturalism does not respond to the actual problems and actually ends up creating distractions for all the virture signalling folk on both sides of what passes for political debate in this country.

        • What is the part of the Putnam study that deals with a foreign power spying and attempting to install someone into parliament? From memory, his study looked at trust levels among different groups within society. This included between established groups, like African Americans and Whites. On top of this, he has complained publicly about the results being distorted by those wishing to use it to promote their platforms. His paper has also been questioned on how it went about measuring and classifying levels of trust among groups by other academics in his field.
          https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-diversity-create-distrust/

          That does not mean that Putnam’s work should be dismissed. It just highlights the need to make sure that it is referred to when it actually applies (I would argue strongly that you have misapplied it here) and that it is a study that is not definite in its conclusions.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            Yeah – keep rolling out the excuses.

            There is 10,000 years of human history that proves Multiculturalism never works.

          • Even just recent modern history (the past 500 or so years will do) shows thta the acceptance of outside cultures is a trait of successful societies and the closing off is what marks the decline. The Ottomans, the Chinese (not the current instance), the Portuges and the Spanish were all welcoming of outsiders as they were growing and became insular and distrustful as they waned. This does not mean that cultures do not have their differences it just highlights that taking a view upon the issue that does not allow for any grey ignores more than it accepts while oversimplifying the topic greatly.
            Is the more cosmopolitan nature of a successful society a cause or an effect of its growth / downfall? Is it the rate of growth of diversity an issue? Do different communities handle it differently? What about the underlying political-economic systems and their stability? That is what history looks at and when done well it manages to bring light upon these questions. And the general lack of interest in it among the majority of commentators here who point to history is why I rarely poke around any articles upon here that touch on immigration. I dropped in on this one as it relates to security concerns, but alas that seems to have been missed by those who are blinded by their passions.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            The Ottoman Empire???!? ROFLMGDAO – the Ottoman Empire is pretty much the text book example of a failed society. It was the Muslim installed replacement of the Byzantine Empire, previously called the East Roman Empire, and only managed to eek out an existence for as long as it did through near unparalleled tyranny and suffering, not to mention a massive internal army that was essentially based around roaming Rojin doing the Sultans work (another key characteristic of Multicultural societies is the requirement of a massive internal security network).

            Far from being a plural Multicultural society it was a Muslim society, whereby those unfortunate enough to live within its borders and not of Muslim faith were both second class citizens and had to pay higher taxes for the privilege of being exploited.

            China was a Multicultural society? You are making it up as you go along – the Han Chinese are the definition of a homogeneous society. Sure they went through periods when they weren’t so insular, but they were always Chinese. The only Multiculturalism that they experienced was when it was imposed on them, firstly with the Mongols, then with European traders.

            Spain and Portugal were Multicultural?!?! I suppose if you consider the fact that their respective empires spanned many locations you could say that…. but given they then exterminated every culture in every location they conquered, I don’t think they could really be termed Multicultural either, could they?

            Is the more cosmopolitan nature of a successful society a cause or an effect of its growth / downfall?

            “Cosmopolitan” is nothing more than cultural mixing pot, lots of competing values ultimately means no values at all. It is a sign of success, not the cause. Like the signs of a tasty meal are sh!t loads of flys buzzing around trying to get a feed, that is exactly the same here.

            Rome was probably the first real Cosmpolitian society – and the reason it died wasn’t that it was invaded by Vandals or Visgoths, although they were effectively the coup de grace for the bloated, corrupt, lost society that it had become.

            Rome died because it stopped being populated by Romans – all the flotsam and jetsam from also ran cultures that the Romans conquered flooded into the centre of their empire, and the Romans famous tolerance for other cultures (so long as they submitted to Roman rule – sound familiar) doomed them long before the first German barbarian thought about taking a walk over the Alps:

            https://mobile.twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/status/1192518841999462402

            I’ve outlined the reasons many times why societies fail – the lack of common values destroys the social cohesion necessary for the citizens to come together, and engage in the mutual sacrifice that is necessary for a society to perpetuate itself.

            What idiot is going to work to help perpetuate values of people and cultures that not only disagree with their own, but fundamentally undermine them?

            THAT is why multiculturalism has never worked over the long term.

          • Another common reason given for the collapse of Rome is debt and greed of the landed classes. There is also the exhaustion of attempting to manage an empire that became too large. Two separate reasons argued for the collapse of the Ottomans that I’ve come across are the stupefication of politcal rivals through their placement in complete luxury and their model for empire requring endless expansion. Their reasons for petering out are far more vaired than anything I’ve written or multiulturalism.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            Leith likes to say that over the short term there are many economic factors that influence the economy, but over the longer term Productivity is everything.

            It is exactly the same with Cutlure – Culture is EVERYTHING. It forms the starting position for how societies seek to address and solve the problems they collectively face.

            Culture is the foundation of productivity – it is the values around education and its role, the purpose sacrificing now for the future, the level of and tolerance to delayed gratification that impacts how productive a society will be.

            If there is no agreement then guess then that society becomes increasingly dysfunctional – decisions that need to be made dont’ get made. The lack of cultural agreement is grit that is thrown into the gears of a functional society, and reduces its ability to solve the problems it faces – whether that be land reform among Romans, or building a new road to Bankstown.

            There were a multitude of individual reasons why Rome collapsed, but the biggest one was the collapse of Roman society, as Romans and their values were gradually replaced:

            https://mobile.twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/status/1192518841999462402

            This is the only thing that any Australian can look forward to is contained within that tweet – being that over time, the poison imported into our Cultural centre points will gradually be replaced by those living in our regions. Why? Because cities ultimately consume their own population – they rarely survive without being constantly replenished with more people from the countryside.

            Once our cities are just like every other sh!t hole on the planet, people will stop coming here. The only people who will move to them are regional Australians, which is were all the natural population growth occurs.

  7. It’s easy. If either LNP or Labor have a Chinese born candidate anywhere in Australia don’t fking vote for them.

    We are still a democracy. We’re just not organized.

    • LOL. Whenever I leave anything out the front, the only groups taking it are Mike’s Hukou underclass. As for the kayak, the wts would prefer a new one from BCF, on the credit card to pick up the Qantas FF points.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Found out the hard way, (very hard) this morn that its meant for still water not the surf, so as doctorX explained may not be suitable so any Aussie huji participant welcome to it.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            What bothered me most was carrying it up the beach semi full of wet sand, trying not to get legs broken by it in the shore break and retrieving it submerged in the rip to make sure it wasn’t a hazard.
            A plus being the adventure. Remember a bad experience is better than no experience.

  8. This is a reference to the concept, introduced by Rudi Dutschke and associated with earlier ideas from Antonio Gramsci, of the “Long March through the Institutions” (and not to be confused with the other famous “Long March”)

  9. Life is going to get very uncomfortable for the Chinese diaspora in Australia as the rest of the population become ever more angry about their supine complicity in this invasion.

  10. I think you’ve gone a bit over the top here. I doubt we need to target Chinese immigration to prevent the formation or strengthening of a fifth column. Far simpler and more logical, not to say healthy, to just stand up for our values. Much as I abhor the LNP, Hastie is showing the way here. The CCP’s approach is very vulnerable to defeat when it is vigorously called out and named, without fear of fatuous cries of racism.

      • Jumping jack flash

        ” except our entire civic establishment has been infiltrated by cultural marxists who are sympathetic to China’s cause.”

        so, the 30’s again, replace “China” with “Germany”.

        The attitudes of the world leaders in the 30’s are very, very similar to what we see now.
        Everyone is preoccupied and hell-bent on not rocking the boat.

        Everything is softly-softly.

        It is quite concerning.

    • blacktwin997MEMBER

      ‘servile rumpswab’ very good indeed!

      I’m shunning him like a bastard, trouble is he’s not keeping up his end of the bargain by actually showing up where i am at the time and an in absentia shunning does lack a certain gravitas. Rest assured though that when he does eventually turn up wherever i happen to be at that time, there will ensue a shunning for the ages. Maybe now is an opportune time to set a trap featuring some combination of clocks, pigs and expensive tailoring as bait, force the issue…

  11. boomengineeringMEMBER

    We don’t need China to lose our freedom, our oligarchs are snipping away at it already.
    Would we have been better or worse off if defeated by Japan WW2?
    If Germany won would we all look up to Hitler as a hero?
    Yellow peril or yellow savior from dept serfdom?
    Just food for thought.

  12. Look you boys let us do our job’s we’re just adding a bit of pepper to sun proff our people’s climate change and all you know see the blinded men shouting at the world wait for the ricochet West Coast has geophones in case Sat’s go out woomera has missile defence systems she will be right

  13. China’s actions in Australia are pretty awful. However, I don’t think any significant structural changes will be made to the system of governance in Australia that would decrease China’s ability to influence our politics.
    The reason for this is those with the real power don’t want the current system to change too much as it would also weaken their influence and wealth accumulation.
    If you really want to stop China’s influence then Australia should institute direct democracy as Australians are fed up with high rates of immigration and that would quickly be culled, stopping any demographic takeover. Additionally it is a lot harder to bribe all the voters than it is a few corrupt pollies and hence a lot of the political corruption would be removed.
    Finally the shameless coup in Bolivia shows that Australia also needs a level of protection from our allies as well if we want to be able to make decisions that are in the best interests of the people rather than corporate interests.

  14. This is all a bit of a whip-up
    China doesn’t need to invade Australia to get everything that it needs/wants from Australia.
    Look at the ridiculous situation wrt LNG exports starving local industry of their traditional advantage (cheap Natural Gas) WHY is anyone accepting this? Most Aussies don’t even understand the problem and they’re blaming Electricity price rises on anything but the NG fiasco. Those in the Electricity Generation / distribution Industry ,that profit from the shortages of NG, also aren’t complaining. This is just one example of how F’ed up the Economic narrative is within Australia.
    I challenge anyone here to go into their local Pub and try to explain the insidious way in which LNG exports are impoverishing Australia and adversely impacting what little local industry remains. Lots of nods but little real understanding, is what I got. It all ended with some clown saying F’it at least my house price is going up again, that response bought lots of cheers.
    This is just one example of how we’re losing the war before it even begins. Locals Aussies will be loaded to the eyeballs with debt and agree to every proposed Chinese compromise when the time comes, just like they’re doing with LNG today.

  15. The thing that I have learned recently with China is that it is nowhere near as homogenous as it first seems. You have Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, the Muslim region in the Northwest. It’s not on the scale of the Soviet Union but very similar in more than one way.

    • From a superficial viewpoint from history, yes. The Han have conquered peoples of the Baiyue, the Minyue, the Guangdong, the Guangxi and Guizhou amongst others.

      Form a European perspective, it would be akin the the Austro-Hungarian’s conquering Poles, Croats, Bohemians, Slovaks, Ukranians, etc. in terms of proximity and similar visual appearances.

      However, in the latter case, the peoples remained, the Han (Chinese) on the other hand always… ALWAYS … seek to exterminate cultures, and we currently observe this with Tibetan’s and Uighur’s. The Vietnamese hate the Chinese for this very reason, they’ve observed cultures get obliterated to the north of them.

      China may be somewhat heterogenous, but it should be much more, if not for their genocidal instincts

  16. Can section 44 be interpreted as anyone having family living in a repressive regime. The influence could be characterised not by citizenship, but by the threat that the persons family may suffer some “Accident”.

  17. Jumping jack flash

    “Bravo Hastie, one of the few with conviction.”

    If that elicits conviction then I’d hate to see their complacency.. oh, wait.
    The whole “one-eyed king” and all that jazz, I guess.

    When I read this article on MSM this morning I had a couple of immediate thoughts:
    1) This guy was in Gladys’ electorate – coincidence?
    2) How did they know he’d squealed?
    And, of course,
    3) The whole investigation around his “silencing”. It will be interesting to see how that goes. Or doesn’t.

    The fear I have, as many will probably share, is that this has finally been revealed, and as with any agenda I assume it is at the time when it is far too late to stop.

    Therefore we can safely say that we are presently an annexed state of Great China.
    The next move will be to make that perfectly clear to everyone…

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