Treasonous ABC should be shut

More treasonous coverage of the Chinese attack on Australia today at the ABC. First up, we get the whinging beef lobby:

China’s ban on beef imports from several Australian abattoirs has cost the industry hundreds of millions of dollars while eight meatworks wait to resume trade.

Last year, exports of red meat to China were valued at about $3 billion, making it Australia’s most lucrative agriculture export market but the Australian Meat Industry Council says sales have fallen by almost 30 per cent year-on-year.

Regardless, the council’s chief executive, Patrick Hutchinson, said Australian beef exports were on track for the “second-biggest year on record to China” referring to both volume and value.

No context, no countervailing analysis or voices. Just lobby puke to boost the CCP attack.

Why stop there, let’s go to Newcastle and do some more CCP dirty work:

Thermal coal exports to China from Australia’s busiest coal terminal have completely stopped amid escalating trade tensions and an unofficial Chinese ban on Australian coal.

Newcastle is the largest coal port in the world and trade with China made up 20 per cent of its exports last year.

But no ships have left for China in December and there are none listed in the schedule leading up to Christmas.

No context, no countervailing analysis or voices. Though at least this the time the lobby refused to comment despite ABC badgery that it do so.

But wait, there’s more fear to spread in the service of the CCP:

As relations between China and Australia hit their lowest point in over half a century, industries including honey, fruit, dairy and vitamins producers could be next in line to be hit with tariffs, according to research firm IBIS World.

We’re all rooned unless we give in to the CCP! No context, no countervailing analysis or voices. No need for a lobbyist given IBIS is implicitly industry favourable.

Next up, we get the deeply one-sided coverage of the push to ban BRI:

The Foreign Minister of Australia has just become more powerful.

On Tuesday, the Federal Parliament passed the Government’s new foreign relations laws in full.

The bill gives the Commonwealth the power to veto agreements with foreign countries struck by state and local governments, as well as universities.

It all happened with breakneck speed — the Federal Government only announced it would push ahead with the bill in August.

This time it is few quotes from the government with a conga-line of critics from the Greens, Labor and Alan Gyngell. No countervailing analysis or voices.

Then we swing to another piece strarring the very compromised James Laurenceson – fresh from selling out Australia to the SCMP by misrepresenting Australian isolation in the Chinese bullying – now scare-mongering about foreign students:

The New South Wales economy could be exposed if Chinese students do not return, a leading economist has warned, despite Premier Gladys Berejiklian saying she is not concerned by the escalating Chinese-Australian trade war.

“We don’t feel we are impacted in New South Wales at all,” the Premier told a business lunch in Sydney on Tuesday.

“We feel the relationships we have will sustain whatever issues there are at a national level.”

Professor James Laurenceson, the Director of the Australia-China Relations Institute at UTS, agreed NSW is not as exposed as other states.

No acknowledgment that the Australia-China Relations Institute at UTS only exists thanks to being funded by Chinese migrant billionaire Huang Xiangmo. The same 2017 Huang Xiangmo who destroyed Labor MP Sam Dastayri’s career with bribes in return for positive announcements on Chinese policy. More recently Huang has been exiled from Australia in disgrace.

A cascade of similar “influence operation” debacles followed that was a part of Australia’s great awakening to the shady CCP money that was distorting its political economy. Especially on the Labor side of politics but certainly not exclusively so (hello Gladys Liu and Andrew Robb). The Turnbull Government acted as it should in response by launching anti-foreign influence legislation to flush the political system of those inappropriately on the CCP payroll, such as James Laurenceson. This is also the driver behind the push to ditch BRI.

Nor is there any acknowledgment that UTS is a very comprised interest in the debate given it only keeps the disgraced unthink tank open to help attract Chinese students.

No context, no countervailing analysis or voices but rich with lobbying bloodlust.

Seriously ABC, what are you doing? This is terrible journalism, deeply hostile to the Australian national interest and the truth. Whether intended to or not, it obviously acts to amplify the CCP attack on Australia.

There is clearly a methodological problem as well. It’s not good enough to cover the basic story then get a quote from the most captured lobby that you can find. This is pure Murdoch-style unjournalism, only more egregious, deployed by the ABC in service to a foreign power attacking our country.

When we combine the ABC’s recently fantastically one-eyed commentary in favour of the same from Geoff Raby, Hugh White, Stan Grant and Laura Tingle it’s hard not to conclude that there has been an editorial decision to ensure Australia is sold to China at the price of Australian freedoms laid out in the 14 recent conditions:

I am not in the business of demanding other media voices be muzzled. But the notion that the tax-payer is funding a national broadcaster to operate as an economic war propaganda amplifier to sell out those same taxpayers’ democratic freedoms is beyond the pale.

Honestly, if this is the best that the ABC can do to defend Australia amid the greatest attack on it since WWII then it should not only have its funding cut but be shut down entirely.

David Llewellyn-Smith
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Comments

  1. Reminds me of their attitude to mass immigration – ineveitable, totally beneficial, and never a contrary view.

    • kierans777MEMBER

      The “inevitable” narrative that is sold regarding population/migration growth is a trigger word for me 😆

      • Its part of the Chinese approach to warfare – to demoralise the enemy and create a sense of inevitability…

        We survived the Japanese bombing Darwin and sending subs into Sydney Harbour at the same time as the Germans were approaching Moscow and Suez… we can see these people off. We need to realise that China doesn’t just engage in symmetrical warfare, they adopt the asymmetrical and they are using our system of government against us. They are playing on our openness, our willingness for fair play and our fear of being labeled “racist”.

        I strongly support MacroBusiness’s courage in this matter. Well done!

    • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

      I remember tony ass hat jones opening the qwanka episode on immigration by saying it’s inevitable we will have a big Australia so how do we prepare etc etc

      Then 4 corners did a housing bubble episode without once mentioning immigration OR foreign buyers NOT ONCE

    • I agree. Coupled with booting Kevin Long of The!ongView.com.su. from his weekly radioshow with accurate short and long term weather forecasting for farmers managing stock and crops. Of course because science fact based accurate forecasts involving sea temperature, sun, planets, currents etc which work don’t fit the freaky ABC agenda. Rural s relied on the ABC for factual information. Even farmers I know with temp and rain gauges know the BOM gives odd numbers,

    • Strange Economics

      And yesterday we find out that far from suffering without backpackers working for free for visas, the agriculture sector had its best (and most profitable) year EVER ! But vege prices may rise 15% (as they have to offer a minimum wage now or no workers). A small price to pay , especially as steak is cheaper (with less exports to china).
      Let them eat Steak, said Marie Antoinette to the vegetarians of today…(Off with her head).

    • David while I agree in substance, id like to hear your ‘countervailing analysis’ but in a reasoned and less inflammatory style. Clearly weak journalism is not a reason to abandon the public broadcaster. But it can be strengthened, no doubt, with your views.
      In my view, the journalists you criticise have merely adopted the orthodox economic arguments. The ABC has been under such relentless political attack it is weakened, gone tabloid snd lost its broadsheet editorial depth. Let’s restore that rather than throw it to the wolves, eh?

      • With your empty smile
        And your hungry heart
        Feel the bile rising from your guilty past
        With your nerves in tatters
        When the conch shell shatters
        And the hammers batter
        Down your door
        You’d better run

  2. Totes BeWokeMEMBER

    It’s about time public voices started demanding changes at the ABC.

    Privatise it. Given they’ve been happy with everything else being privatised, there should be no resistance.

    “who destroyed Labor MP Sam Dastayri’s career with bribes in return for positive announcements on Chinese policy”

    Corrupt Sam destroyed his own career.

    Labor, MSM and the ABC are a national security problem.

    Someone should start a petition, along with self serving one Rudd started.

    • I think “their” ABC should be a subscription service. Salvatore Babones was spot on when he said the organisation was captured by its staff.

  3. Why are they pro-CCP, what’s driving them to back them if they are funded by Australians?? I don’t understand the reasoning behind it

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Reds. Same as Labor and Greens.

      And you will accept anything and everything from “minority races”…

      It’s the ABC, it hasn’t made sense for 30 years. My grandfather would be turning in his grave.

      • It’s not even that. It’s no different to the corporate media. Yeah they probably lean left, but if you’re covering a specific industry your contacts are in that specific industry. They’ve got a whinge and they’re straight on the phone to you. Easy story. Content. Content. Content. That’s the whole game.

        None of these clowns would even realise they’re doing it – they’re not smart enough to be evil.

        No one lobbies harder for business and the status quo than the ABC and they’re completely oblivious to it.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          “they’re not smart enough to be evil”

          Absolutely. Hamish McDonald takes the cake for me as an indication we’ve reached peak ABC wokeness.

          It will change willingly, or Australia will change it IMO.

    • They are funded by “the Government” not australians. A semantic but significant difference. The government has been pro big business/china/immigration for a very long time and as such all appointments to senior positions in the abc reflect this.

  4. happy valleyMEMBER

    Time for the LNP gubmint to livestream AJ and the rest of the Sky after Dark crew in to households 24/7 and also make reading of Rupert’s RWNJ newspapers mandatory every day? That’ll fix things?

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      It might actually do you some good to have a listen to some. You don’t understand what’s being done to your future. It’s astonishing to watch people like you offer no resistance, just acceptance to what the woke serve you.

      I occasionally hear sky, and find they’re mostly aligned with what I think. I completely disagree with them on such issues as covid response, most religious stuff, education, jail, race, environment, defence of LNP.

      Hang on a sec. Turns out, I don’t agree with much at all of sky, except immigration and sovereignty, (and I’m far more passionate than they are), ergo, i conclude, I can think for myself, the left are being led to their slaughter by entirely self serving elites. Nothing they stand for is sustainable, good for Australia, or is in your interests.

      For me, i have to justify what I’ve heard to accept it. You and other leftists here don’t.

      You are being scammed, and it’s time you opened your eyes.

      Please explain to me, wwwwhhhyyyy do you do it?

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        I don’t watch Sky after Dark or read any of Rupert’s RWNJ rags but after the next federal election when useless Labor bequeath us as their legacy, Scotty The Impaler with control of both houses and a defacto “benevolent” (you’d hope?) dictatorship, Sky after Dark and Rupert will have even more influence over the great unwashed like me.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          Great. Vote Independent to control LNP, ON WHAT MATTERS, because Labor aren’t going to.

          Labor are facilitating the end of your future.

          IMO, Australia is never giving the senate to (especially) LNP or Labor again.

          Our hope is in Independents. It’s the only way out of the disaster LNP and Labor are creating.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Happy

            I don’t know, but I do like the idea of getting a very select group of criteria (immigration and Australian assets sales, and of course preferencing LNP, Labor and Greens last), and Independents who meet the criteria across Australia are endorsed, and sensible people like you and me, tell all our friends and family, distribute the names, with…..”this is the way out of the disastrous path LNP and Labor have us on”.

            What do you think?

          • Before voting independent… ensure they have policies to slash immigration, do research because independents/minor parties may not advertise their immigration position pro or for… because immigration can’t be discussed.
            I think the answer is to only vote for a party or independent that promotes the slashing of the mass Third World immigration program. If there are no independents or party that fits that criteria, then people should not vote at all.
            If enough people do this, there will be a massive vote waiting to be tapped, the parties will begin looking over their shoulder frightened that one of them will break the unholy alliance on the mass Third World immigration.
            Immigration reform and the progressive policies attached to this treasonous ideology can begin to be revoked.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            They’ll be begging for endorsement.

            All immigration is harmful for Australia. Just in different ways. You must vote, not voting helps the incumbent.

      • TBW, you’ve sold me on Labour being the problem some months ago but listening to the LNP’s corporate kleptocratic media chorus would decrease any Australian’s intellect materially.
        The rentier sector’s point of view?
        YES.
        Journalism?
        NOT on your life!

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          It’s not about making LNP more powerful. On the contrary. Control them by limiting immigration and selling off the country.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      Yes.
      I’ve been trying to get people in my orbit onto MB for years by regularly sending out MB links I think might be of interest.
      I’ve had a number of people, who usually avoid political discussions, wanting to talk about the content of these recent links calling out CCP influence.
      Good work boys.

  5. kiwikarynMEMBER

    Of course, when these farms and meatworks are broke and in bankruptcy, the Chinese will swoop in and buy them, and lo and behold, export access to China will be restored.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      We hardly have any patriotism (which let’s face it, is much the ABCs doing), but any politician or regulator that tried that would be crucified.

      From memory Pauline (or Lambie maybe) is putting legislation together on that.

      • Pauline – aka “Jellyback”.
        She’s as weak and as corrupted as the rest. She is brilliant at marketing herself in a Trumpesque fashion as the saviour of little Australians and at every turn she votes with our resident corporate klepotocrats, the LNP.
        Rex Patrick is about the only one showing any form or resistance and occasionally Jackie Lambie.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          Completely agree.

          Qld smacked her because of her disgraceful position on the qld border. She better come up with something before the federal election, or I suspect the same is coming. She’s a redneck and reflects very little of what I want.

          I love Lambie, but find her very micro issue.

        • kierans777MEMBER

          Rex Patrick is also as soft as the others. He actually believed the #LiarFromTheShire that domestic gas reservation would happen in support for passing another round of useless tax cuts that have done nothing because trickle down economics isn’t worth the napkin is was hastily drawn on the back of.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Then his response should be to publically announce he won’t give supply on anything else and challenge all others to do the same, and don’t be weak like Wilkie was when Gillard shafted him.

            Make all others enforce Morrison’s commitment, for the benefit of our democracy.

          • My moniker – and I wish you would all take it up – of Pax Rhetoric, is most apt, I think

    • Yeah… and we’re too afraid to speak about our Problems these days for fear of what might happen to us.

      If you say the wrong thing these days, you end up crucified. You usually end up with a Nation of Property Psychotics staring you down which gives China the perfect opportunity to manipulate.

      I wouldnt be surprised if Australia has a lot of Chinese Developers pulling the strings and slowly replacing Aussies with Chinese. We already knew Australia had problems the day we sold property ‘off the plan’ straight and direct to Chinese buyers without even consulting Australians first. If that doesnt say ‘Red Flag’, then nothing does.

  6. Stewie GriffinMEMBER

    All media and news is Propaganda – the question is whose?

    If the editorial process is not controlled by a shadowy conspiracy theory, and instead within a Democracy by free individuals capable of exercising their own agency and concept of “free will”, such that it is, then it must be arising from some other social or cultural factors of influence – the question is whose?

    What culture promotes the rights of the minority over the interests of the majority? What culture finds safety in diversity? What culture promotes the interests of business and commerce over nationalism? Which neo-new-cultural groupings values are in the ascendancy across media, economics and politics? If we are truly in a culture war, with whose culture are these values being promulgate from?

    These are questions too puzzling for me to resolve.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      These things benefit the culture of unaccountable Global corporate plutocracy.
      The main purpose of this “culture” is to divide the plebs and erode away, to nothing, their democratic power.
      https://youtu.be/NpiqX6ouM-8

      China being incorporated into this global Plutocratic system might be the final nail in the coffin of Western Civilizations brief experiment in Democracy.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        Ermo, you can’t waste one more second on Labor. Jump the fence, and embrace the real solution that could be implemented as soon as 2022.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            No, parties act for parties, and gain seats using brand names, advertising and micro policies while shafting us with macro policies.

            Independents can appeal to individual seats while opposing what matters nationally.

            You know it makes sense. Parties will be parties and that’s what’s failed us…bizarre you’d suggest more of the same as a solution.

          • “Then his response should be to publically announce he won’t give supply on anything else and challenge all others to do the same, and don’t be weak like Wilkie was when Gillard shafted him.

            Make all others enforce Morrison’s commitment, for the benefit of our democracy.” Totes.

            bizarre you’d suggest more of the same as a solution.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            If it were one of the core policies they’d agreed to prior to getting a position of privilege and power, then they’d be off the list next election.

            See, the future of Australia depends on people having conviction, and the people with conviction forcing the type of people who become politicians to do what they were primarily put there to do.

            It’s simple psychology. Human nature. Pretty simple stuff.

            ATM, its failing us because the parties have gone rogue, and it’s literally our responsibility to fix it for future generations.

            You can be part of that or not.

          • “If it were one of the core policies they’d agreed to prior to getting a position of privilege and power, then they’d be off the list next election.”
            So how many candidates have agreed to your “not a political party” endorsement requirements? How many from the last 5 elections would have met them?

            “See, the future of Australia depends on people having conviction, and the people with conviction forcing the type of people who become politicians to do what they were primarily put there to do.
            It’s simple psychology. Human nature. Pretty simple stuff.”
            So why hasn’t this been done already by the electorate. It’s almost as though a vote once every four years to elect a group of people who are all self interested doesn’t actually give the populace much say at all in how things are run…
            But it gives them the illusion of choice, and the belief that they have chosen the outcome. It’s all simple psychology, Human nature.

            There are a handful of political parties that probably already meet your requirements for “independent” candidates. Why do you think they aren’t in power? And how are you avoiding the same fate?

          • Display NameMEMBER

            We need a coalition of smaller parties. Possibly 6-8 groups. That will make it prohibitively hard for commercial interests to purchase an outcome. A use case that is trivially simple at the moment.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            “How many from the last 5 elections would have met them?”

            They didn’t know they had to meet them to get elected. You think these people that become politicians care about anything but themselves?

            “So why hasn’t this been done already by the electorate”

            No one had thought of it of course. Isn’t it awesome you get to be part of it?

            “There are a handful of political parties that probably already meet your requirements for “independent” candidates. Why do you think they aren’t in power? And how are you avoiding the same fate?”

            There’s that parties word again.

            They’re not behold to our demands as a party. They stand for too many issues. They’re too soft. There’s no system to show the electorate who they are like the one I want you to help me with, they give preferences to the major parties.

            Get on board.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            Display Name – agree with you entirely. Like the it makes sense that our banking system would be stronger with a stool supported by 8 or 16 legs, compared to the existing 4, the interests of our democracy would be best serve by a Multitude of parties versus the duopoly we currently reside beneath.

            The reason we are unlikely to ever see any significant political diversity in the lower house, is that it is much easier to control and bribe the organisationational structure of two parties, than half a dozen.

            The most truly democratic party chamber of the house, in terms of plurality of voice, is actually the Senate.

          • “We need a coalition of smaller parties. Possibly 6-8 groups. That will make it prohibitively hard for commercial interests to purchase an outcome. A use case that is trivially simple at the moment.”
            The reason the smaller parties are sidelined is because commercial interests have already purchased the outcome via the bigger parties. How are you planning to change that?

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Exactly Stewie. Australia has taken away dominance in the senate, but we should expect senators to be stronger. That is, control the government.

            There is no excuse for putting up with an unfulfilled commitment by LNP or Labor as discussed here today. Wilkie whined about it instead of saying “do it, or I’ll poison your party”.

            Actually Gillard and Rudd did a really good job of that themselves.

          • We need a coalition of smaller parties. Possibly 6-8 groups. That will make it prohibitively hard for commercial interests to purchase an outcome. A use case that is trivially simple at the moment.

            This would be an excellent outcome, as seen in many Euro countries, but would require a change to voting methodology to prevent votes ultimately falling through to the two dominant parties.

            Even then it would probably take multiple elections to see any positive change.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            drsmithy

            You can only work with the constitution we’ve got. It’s not like they’ll take it to a referendum to disadvantage themselves.

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        “These things benefit the culture of unaccountable Global corporate plutocracy.”

        They do indeed.

  7. TheLambKingMEMBER

    Treasonous ABC should be shut

    Are you sure you have not been ‘bought’ by the IPA/Murdoch empire?

    Jesus – the ABC is the least treasonous media outlet out there. Can you imagine Australia without the ABC? With NO 4th estate to speak of!

    Yes, the ABC are not perfect. But the more idiots like you shouting for the ABC to be shut just hobbles the ABC’s independence and value to Australians.

    • TheLambKingMEMBER

      And the whole reason why they have to cut corners and the standards are not up to scratch is because the LNP keep defunding the ABC because of the /IPA/Murdoch campaign to shut the ABC. Calling for the ABC to shut just adds to the LNP justification to defund the ABC. It is not helpful to do so.

      • And getting people to turn against the ABC is just what the LNP and their owners the IPA are accomplishing with their defunding and sticking their political chums on the board, ie just one step removed from the devil himself (Rupert) taking over.

      • Or maybe they could stop paying the likes of Juanita Phillips $300K to effectively read a teleprompter to broadcast a state-based news broadcast?

        Or maybe not spend hundreds of millions on fluff entertainment imported from overseas, or maybe not spending $30m each year to promote how important they are, or spending money on bustop advertising to promote the latest season of the foreign made Killing Eve or maybe not driving up broadcast rights by bidding with SBS?

        There’s lots of ways ABC could not waste money and put the savings in better news reporting.

        • This is so, however the LNP is in charge of the ABC now so they set the agenda. They want fluff (and most Aussie productions are also fluff) they will have fluff, they they want watered down analysis they will get it. It would seem that the only accepted agenda for the ABC by much of the population, is that of being a total devotee of the LNP/IPA just like the Murdoch propaganda machine is and not ask too many embarrassing questions of Scumo and his cronies.

    • While I wouldn’t have phrased it quite that way, I agree.

      The ABC is the only major news organisation left in this country that can be trusted. Yes they have biases – sometimes the reporters (Stan Grant I’m looking at you) and sometimes the organisation’s editorial slant – but they’re far, far and away more useful and trustworthy overall than any of the major commercial news programmes.

      Shutting the ABC, or cutting its funding, would be dumb. Instead, why don’t we try to get people with more balanced viewpoints into the organisation and into positions of editorial control? Amanda Vanstone does well for example.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        You cannot trust an outlet that is so horrendously biased by omitting 90% of any given story.

        Come on ABC fans, what are you defending here?

        If such a hhhuuugggeee segment of society say its biased, then it’s by definition biased. We can’t have a publically funded broadcaster so biased. It’s not fair.

        • I agree with your comment upthread on Sky After Dark – I find their positions on sovereignty, freedom of speech and immigration logical, but not a lot else.

          With that said, I’d rather fix the ABC than close/defund it and leave journalism to the commercial operations.

          Every journalist and every journalistic operation has biases.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Absolutely that would be a better outcome. No political influence, just a reflection of the BROADER community. News that’s actually news and not propaganda. SBS can’t be saved.

            Reset by replacing every one of the wokesters that have taken it where it now is.

          • TheLambKingMEMBER

            Absolutely that would be a better outcome. No political influence, just a reflection of the BROADER community. News that’s actually news and not propaganda. SBS can’t be saved.

            Reset by replacing every one of the wokesters that have taken it where it now is.

            And that there is the problem.

            You talk about Broader community – but the ABC has been shown over and over again to be balanced. When you sit in a dark room, even a tiny bit of light seems VERY bright. When you consume Murdoch/Ch9 right wing stuff continually, the ABC looks ridiculously biased.

            And… We are done. 4 years of subscriptions just ended today.

            Pretty much.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            “but the ABC has been shown over and over again to be balanced”

            By extreme wokesters like Ray Martin. And of course NONE of the reviews included the bias by what they omit to report on in any given story.

            Come on mate, how about some honesty?

            You oppose it reflecting the broad community, because you know it’d have to radically change.

            You’re being dishonest with me, and yourself. If so many Australians think it’s biased…guess what? It’s biased.

          • TheLambKingMEMBER

            And of course NONE of the reviews included the bias by what they omit to report on in any given story.

            What, like omitting the ‘other’ side of science like global warming? Or the ‘other’ side of vaccination? Or the ‘other’ side to the round world theory?

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            “What, like omitting the ‘other’ side of science like global warming?”

            Wwwhhoooaaa there. Are we talking about the same thing here?

            I’m talking about the ABC, not LNP or sky, or whoever else.

            I want ABC to report the truth, the facts, without bias, so why would they omit climate science? I think you’re talking about LNP there, not what i want the ABC to be.

            You’re so angry, you can’t see what you’re saying, yet say i need to get out of the dark room.

            I’ll say it again. I want an UNBIASED ABC. Remembering we’re talking about the ABC, without bringing LNP and sky etal into it, what have you got to defend the ABC staying biased?

            Come on mate. Honesty. You can do it.

            Here’s a question for you. Do you think the ABC not reporting the truth on immigration is harming the country’s position on climate? That is, do you think by the ABC only talking about a handful of woke issues does harm to the cause? Id add that half the country can’t listen to or watch the ABC because of the woke bias (not including climate), but mostly around immigration.

          • TheLambKingMEMBER

            I’ll say it again. I want an UNBIASED ABC. Remembering we’re talking about the ABC, without bringing LNP and sky etal into it, what have you got to defend the ABC staying biased?

            Yeh, but how many independent reviews, how many charters, how many parliamentary inquiries that show that there is no bias will convince you that there is no inherent bias? They go out of their way to be non-biased on certain topics that they are actively hobbled. They are so scared of being biased and losing funding that they fail to actually present stronger cases.

            Do you think the ABC not reporting the truth on immigration is harming the country’s position on climate?

            2 points:
            1) Nobody is reporting on immigration and the harm it is doing. That is not ABC bias.
            2) Immigration is a distraction on climate as we need global emissions to reduce. Yes, an immigrant from a 3rd world country will emit more CO2 here than they would in pretty much any other country. But add more people here is just taking people from other places – the global CO2 emissions are roughly the same. And if we de-carbonise our electricity grid, heating, our transport and build in carbon reduced ways it doesn’t matter how many people we have in principle (and also once here the immigrants reduce the amount of kids they have – which is better for CO2 reductions). I am anti-immigration because it lowers our standard of living/wages and lack of water. So if we wanted to, (and I don’t,) we can increase our immigration AND get close to carbon neutral by mid 2030 if we had the right policies in place. Nothing to do with ABC bias.

          • kierans777MEMBER

            @TheLambKing

            > build in carbon reduced ways it doesn’t matter how many people we have in principle …
            > … and lack of water.

            Sorry mate but those two sentences are mutually exclusive. One rightly recognises physical limits, the other does not.

            It does matter how many people we have, because efficiencies are always wiped out by growth, and there becomes a point where we can’t squeeze any more efficiencies out of the system. For example, if we have have 10 people who all consume 11 litres of water a day and they all sacrifice 1L, but we add one more person to the mix we have a net zero outcome in consumption. Now say we all have to consume 5L of water per day to be healthy. There comes a limit where we can’t squeeze more out of the people without having negative consequences for all involved. The whole tragedy of the commons and all that.

            We need to reduce BOTH population and consumption to have any hope of not descending into an Elysium style of existence. The ABC and the Fake Greens needs to pull their head of their arses on this one.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            kierans777

            Yep.

            TheLamb….I more meant ABC are harming climate acceptance in Australia because they are too woke on so many issues, many many Australians won’t listen to, or watch them. That’s my fault for the clumsy question I asked you. Apologies.

            Very glad to hear you are opposed to our insane rates of immigration. Isn’t MB’s fight against that worth the subscription?

            The ABC needs to be called out, and in my opinion do as much damage to equality and the environment as do Labor, because of their ignoring of immigration, nationalism and sovereignty.

            ……”Yeh, but how many independent reviews, how many charters, how many parliamentary inquiries that show that there is no bias will convince you that there is no inherent bias?”…….

            A large segment of the community that fund it say it’s biased. By definition that means it’s biased. It should be in the middle of the bell curve that reflects the overall community. At the moment it’s on the extreme left.

            …”They go out of their way to be non-biased on certain topics that they are actively hobbled. They are so scared of being biased and losing funding that they fail to actually present stronger cases”…..

            When you include what they omit (eg: immigration impact on housing) hat doesn’t seem the case to me. How can you have a review and ignore what’s not said when it’s THE critical factor? Seriously?

            I want them to address immigration and sovereignty, as do much of the electorate funding them. It is unforgivable that they don’t.

          • We need to reduce BOTH population and consumption to have any hope of not descending into an Elysium style of existence.

            Usefully reducing population takes generations to centuries whereas usefully reducing consumption could potentially be done in decades (and will almost certainly reduce population as a side effect – whereas it’s quite likely even a dramatic population change would not have a proportionately large impact on consumption).

            Nothing can be done on a meaningful timescale via population, so it is foolish to waste political capital on it (especially when it is so costly a discussion).

      • robert2013MEMBER

        Why do we need major news organisations? There are facebook groups for everything. I read macrobusiness more than the ABC. The only news that can be trusted is statistical releases of government agencies (at least you can check methodology), other sources of economic data (e.g. share prices), ANAO audits, and so on. Journalists, on the whole, as with any writing without footnotes, cannot be trusted.

        • ABC could be radically reduced down to broadcasting question time, releasing government information and an emergency broadcaster.

          No entertainment, no editorials.

          You could save a billion a year and put the savings into a Medical Research Fund for the benefit of all with exporting potential.

          • rob barrattMEMBER

            Well, there is an alternative: We could sell part of the SBS presenter Janice “Imelda” Petersen’s dress collection. That should surely pay for the ABC for a few years…

      • Amanda Vanstone does not do well

        She’s intolerable, and I don’t mean her point of view.

        She’s just a sh$thouse radio presenter

        • + many

          There are many people who have similar outlooks to Vanstone who could do a far better job of being a radio presenter. She talks about herself too often, and not in a manner that adds to the interviews that she does. She also massively overestimates the value of her own insights on almost any topic she is discussing. It is a shame because she does often get interesting guests in and their time, as well as the audience’s, is often wasted.

      • The ABC is the only major news organisation left in this country that can be trusted.

        And just look how much effort is being put into destroying that trust.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          But it can’t be trusted. It’s most often not telling the whole story, meaning young naive Australians aren’t aware of what’s actually going on.

    • Are you sure you have not been ‘bought’ by the IPA/Murdoch empire?
      Unfortunately, when it comes to China the bar with respect to “burden of proof” is very low indeed here. Any concerns about how the relationship has been managed in the past are immediately assumed to be treasonous. Sad days…..

  8. It’s not unique to the ABC. Nobody writes any story with context anymore, so stories merely parroting press releases from the interested parties. Even if you shut the ABC, this will not change, because modern journalism have dictated that the only context a journalist is allowed to include are ‘Climate Change’ and ‘Gender equality’.

    If the Chinese Wolf Wankers have a sense of humour, they should claim that the halt in trade is a protest against Australia’s stance on Climate Change and lack of representation of woman in Australia company’s boardroom. 😛

  9. Its run by too many tree-hugging hippie types who, above all else, fear of what might come if they are even remotely associated with something that might be firm and frank another race of peoples. In medical circles it known as Hyper-Racialist-Averse syndrome, or HRA for short. It appears to be extremely contagious, mostly for those living in Sydney and Melbourne

  10. ignoratio elenchiMEMBER

    And… We are done. 4 years of subscriptions just ended today.

    It’s not just calling the ABC treasonous. It’s Leith’s continual whinging about Dan and the Hotel Quarantine fiasco, while I was one of those in there helping fix the issues. I get that Leith was hurting, but so were 5 million others.

    I will be spending the money I saved on this subscription in buying the Australian. I can then get these views unfiltered.
    (edited for spelling)

      • ignoratio elenchiMEMBER

        No – systems Mig – the ones they had weren’t working. They are (mostly) now. I won’t miss you either.

        • migtronixMEMBER

          Thanks for admitting what they tried to gaslight me about during 2 months of 23 hour house arrest in my tiny room. Now I can FOIA

          • ignoratio elenchiMEMBER

            Good luck with your request Mig. I hope it gives you some closure as I did see that you were adversely mentally impacted by the lockdown. I don’t like to see people coming so visibly unstuck. I hope you have a better 2021.

            This is our first ever interaction by the way, just in case you have confused me for someone else. I couldn’t resist poking you as I think you are one of the prouder card-carrying idiots on this site. You did not disappoint.

            You have also proven to me that alas this site is not worth the money for me, as I can have idiotic interactions on the internet all day everyday for free.

      • ignoratio elenchiMEMBER

        Yes have donated to the Shot and Michael West. Thanks to Scomo for giving me my unasked for tax cut – I spent it on supporting carbon neutral charitees, asylum seekers, and journalism.

        • This place is an echo chamber when it comes to China, just like Pearls & Irritations (just the opposite end of the spectrum). Constant whinging about Sharma and “McCarthyism” and when someone doesn’t have a Murdoch press view of China, they’re traitors.

    • Agree on LVO’s continued histrionic posting.

      It is for that, if nothing else, I’m glad Vic got on top of things.

  11. ABC rural reporters are just fluffers for the agricultural industry.

    Young dimwit goes to the bush, makes a few contacts, then just uncritically reports on what Farmer Bob has to whinge about year round. Rural is more pronounced, but it’s every industry.

    • “makes a few contacts, then just uncritically reports on what X said”
      This is journalism full stop, almost everywhere.
      The rest is opinion pieces pushing a variety of agendas.

    • blacktwin997MEMBER

      Yes, LandWhine is pretty much a weekly compendium of whinges about seemingly insoluble agricultural conundrums e.g. how to get workers without paying for them.

    • Agree – its not a balanced show. Last week they gave a slot to an ag chemical company lobbyist and a big ag pastoralist that was annihilating the soil with overgrazing in the pursuit of profit, I was dumbfounded.

  12. “If the U.S. monopoly capitalist groups persist in pushing their policies of aggression and war, the day is bound to come when they will be hanged by the people of the whole world. The same fate awaits the accomplices of the United States.”
    ― Mao Tse-tung, Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung

    • Mao made that remark in 1958 after ordering the PLA to bombard Kinmen Island with cannon fire, which lasted for 44 days. The key event was the US military intervening in Lebanon in July, and Mao believed he had an opening to take over Kinmen Island while US troops are occupied elsewhere. It was a ridiculously stupid decision : the PLA didn’t succeed in capturing the island, and resulted in the US adopting a ‘Two China’ policy and guaranteeing the security of Taiwan. That did not change until Jimmy Carter adopted the ‘One China’ policy in 1979.

  13. Completely unnecessary hyperbole. Shutting the ABC is not any answer to anything unless you seek to drive the country into the arms of another foreign owned propagandist

  14. Turbo-charged population growth maybe probable, given we have lazy governments who will go for growth through pushing for growth via nosebleed levels of immigration, but to say such population growth is not inevitable is incorrect.

  15. SBS can blown into oblivion first. No justification for it these days. Promotes unity in one article then division in the very next.

  16. Ailart SuaMEMBER

    The ABC is just another symptom of appalling government leadership – installed by an equally appalling electoral system and constitution.

    You’re wasting your time focusing on symptoms…

      • kierans777MEMBER

        Liz Allen has been debunked so many times, you have to ask why she continues to be asked her opinion. It’s like asking Malcolm Roberts to comment on climate science.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          “why she continues to be asked her opinion”

          It’s the exact opinion they’re seeking.

        • Mining BoganMEMBER

          She’s got a book to push! Sounded like a lot of sh!t she just made up. Anyhow, she was introduced on ABC wireless as “the lovely Liz Allen”. No word of a lie.

          I want to see Leith or David on the wireless introduced as lovely, otherwise we can throw out the entire facade of equality and unbiased reporting.

  17. 9 have dropped their “China Watch” supplement – this should be applauded.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/nine-entertainment-newspapers-quit-carrying-china-watch-supplement

    Nine Entertainment has quietly dropped an arrangement with China Daily to carry an eight-page Communist party newspaper each month in the Sydney Morning Herald, the Age and the Australian Financial Review.

    Nine’s move to drop the propaganda sheet China Watch follows similar decisions by media organisations across the world, such as the UK’s Daily Telegraph, which shelved its own lucrative agreement as the pandemic hit in April.

    • blacktwin997MEMBER

      You’ll know that the ABC is properly getting on board the HMAS Fair Dinkum once they shelve Mandarin Peppa Pig.

  18. Dont shut it down, privatise it. Allow those journalists to feel the full force of fear that goes with a business as it collapses… its far more appropriate than shutting it down and giving them all fat redundancy payments… let them feel fear…

  19. Ouch, the echo from this blog post is heard from the home page page page page page page page page page page page page page page page page page page page page page

  20. Even StevenMEMBER

    I confess I’m torn. On one hand I WANT media outlets to say how damaging China’s actions are so as to martial/Stoke the Australian populace against the CCP.

    On the other hand, I don’t think China can do much damage to us outside of tourism and education (and I won’t be losing sleep over that).

    But I’m certain of one thing… the quality of reporting from ABC is atrocious.

  21. Arthur Schopenhauer

    Throwing the baby out with the bath water David. (One of the most powerful assets for national projection.)

  22. Disagree. While it has its flaws (eg anything re immigration), the ABC is still the most balanced media in this country. Is there any other better? It’s economics reporting (verrender etc) is good.