Sunday Supplement: 25 October 2020

‘Wheel tracks’ 1970, David Armfield, Art Gallery of NSW 


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    • It’s kind of nice, isn’t it…..

      Like being in a room full of famous paintings all by yourself…..

      • Only the Hay planes could be so flat…. then again… the soil is a little too dark. Maybe the black soil planes of Narrabri or Moore?

        • Know IdeaMEMBER

          The Hay Planes are flat, that is not contested. But the exposed soil is red. Mother Earth is bleeding and we should take note. Exposed soil is dead soil.

          Is this metaphoric or allegoric: you decide.

          • Wheel tracks 1910.
            What even Australians do not realise — often until it is past mattering whether they realise it or not — is that in the greater part of this Western country there has only been made one difference since the explorers first came out upon it.
            It is precisely the same beautiful, endless, pitiless country that it was when they found it — with one exception. Sheep have come there.
            Men have made of the West, a country in any part of which sheep can live.
            As a general rule Men can’t live there. It is when they think they can that they come to grief
            They have made themselves homesteads — little redoubts fifty or a hundred miles apart where they can defend themselves securely enough when they get there.
            But over the wide spaces in between they have to stage from water to water, from tank to tank, or well to well.
            And it was not for them the water was dammed or these wells sunk. It was for the sheep.
            Except for the sheep, and the sheep alone, the West would be, and is, to-day as the un- tamed centuries had left it — as the first white man, when he came over the red sandhill on the horizon to the edge of the pine scrub, found it.
            Some way out of Menindee, we happened to drive through a paddock that had been unstocked for many years.
            It gave one a glimpse of what the white man did find.
            It was almost impossible to get out of one’s head the idea that one driving through a park.
            One could swear that a glimpse of the house, or the white pinafores of the children playing in the grass, or the ornamental water, or the pet Jersey cows must turn up round the next corner.
            As a matter of fact, there was not a house or a pinafore or even a cow, within twenty miles.
            We saw that day the tracks of one boundary rider, of two buggies which had been through a fortnight before, and of a wild dog and his mate.
            We passed — miles away — one tank. But the bottom of it was dry sand.
            We were following these buggy tracks over the horizon for three hundred miles, and at times they were the only thing to follow.
            One of us was a skilled bushman, or the chances are the other would not have found the buggy wheels, and would have lain down under the trees and the blue sky; and — perhaps they might have found him later.
            But one could not help believing it was a park, in spite of it all.
            Pretty pine trees, blue clumps of apple wood, needlewood, blear, grey-blue mulga, with the exquisite black tracery of its delicate branches showing under the leaves, sailed by in groups on either side of us.
            In a shallow glade between them the long white beards of spear-grass three seasons old were standing, in parts knee-deep.
            The road — the one sign of man’s work — wound through the grass away out of sight.
            And along it, far ahead of us, startled by the trotting horses, bounced two kangaroos, mother and young one, furlong after furlong.
            Others we startled and sent off into the scrub — at least a dozen or two — grey and brown.
            But these two stuck to the road as though it were made for them,-disappearing sometimes where it wound behind the trees, but always turning up, still bumping along it where it wormed out again beyond.
            No wonder men thought the land would carry any stock they liked to cram upon it.
            Emu and kangaroo swarmed through that paddock. How they had found it out, Heaven knows.
            But it gave one the impression that the white men who first came out upon new country must have found it teeming with life.
            As a matter of fact, one of them told us afterwards, that they did not, life teemed around the lakes— duck, teal, swans, kangaroo, emu, brolga, pelican, ibis, and all the rest
            But on the waterless back-country — this man said — they came out on an almost ghastly stillness, long white grass, soft blue trees, no animals, few blacks.
            Why, even the Mulga blacks from out-back had to come down to the Darling for water, so they told me,” he said, “sneaking down by night and getting back again before daybreak for fear of the Darling blacks.
            There were great battles if they were caught, for their law was never to trespass on each other’s grounds
            “Well, there wasn’t enough water for the blacks at some times.
            As for the animals, you could not see a beast or even a bird.
            The only ones we did see were those ‘twelve apostles 8 and I’m sure I don’t know what they did for water.
            “That was before we dug the tanks in the paddocks. As soon as the tanks began to gather water the gums began to find it out, and they became thick enough after that. ” Those tanks were put down for the sheep.
            So that the sheep were actually responsible for making this country not only to some extent liveable for men or for tame animals, but even for its own wild animals.
            Some of the features of the country which even those who live amongst them take for granted have been brought about, apparently, by sheep.

          • China PlateMEMBER

            He built a cabin and a winter store
            And he ploughed up the ground by the cold lake shore
            And the other travellers came walking down the track
            And they never went further, no, they never went back

            Then came the churches, then came the schools
            Then came the lawyers, then came the rules
            Then came the trains and the trucks with their load
            And the dirty old track was the Telegraph Road

          • Ah Dire Straits, one of my favourites.
            There is a location on the Bruce Highway, where, years ago, a mechanic set up under a tree
            His MO was to gas car air conditioners during summer. $50 then $100 a recharge
            Just a panel van and a tent fly. Must have made a fortune.
            there is a small town there now.

          • Thanks WW. a pleasure to read. It amazes me that out in the back of beyond (travelled from Roma up through Emerald, Barcaldine to the Isa and across to Townsville) there are now mobs of Cattle where once the Sheep trod. Such a changed landscape from even 20 or 30 years ago. Sheep work is too hard these days. Shows how soft the country and its people have become (I include myself in that remark)!

    • Common sense & rational thought stop Corona in its tracks:) Try it:) cheaper & more productive that some random vax coming sometime in the future…can’t stop Covidiots

      • Scummo is just doing what Scummo always does which is deliver for his masters.

        I don’t think the states will be particularly keen on this. They are the ones left holding the can when it will go wrong.

    • Only have to read this part of the article to know what they are really up to:

      “When we are in a position to make decisions down the track, not today but down the track, when it comes to other types of international arrivals that may be able to come to Australia … like international students and migration, then we want to be sure that we’ve worked [out] the options,” he said.”

    • Reopening borders was a fait accompli. It was NEVER off the agenda, and we’ll watch it happen as unemployment rises.

      Anyway, everyone knows immigration actually creates jobs. LNP, Labor, MSM and big business all agree it’s for our benefit.

    • Or gold, maybe? Or Bitcoin?

      All attempts to avoid the inevitable will devalue the currency that all these banks are printing in huge quantities.

    • I tend to agree with his view, but so far it hasn’t played out the way he said it would, I too am surprised. So who knows? But always worth planning for worst case scenario.

    • migtronixMEMBER

      Hahaha that was a load of garbage! You people are so dumb, Trump is literally up to his eyeballs connected to Russian mafia.

      • The worst that the Russian Mafia can do is some dodgy real estate deals.
        Being owned by the CCCP (Hunter Biden) is much worse and threatens our entire way of life.

        • migtronixMEMBER

          Bwaaahaaahaahaa! And Hunter can be owned by Krispy Kream for all the difference it makes to anyone….

          All the sex slavery and the worst of any trade is handled by the Russian mafia. They are vilest scum around, but then Slavs roll like that don’t they?

      • People like you are unbelievable. I mean, you actually think you know what is going on. Like, not in a joking around way, so you can make fun of someone, but for reals.

        Little ole miggie, can’t leave his house, but knows everything about what is happening in the US.

        It blows my mind how deluded you are.

        • And yet that stupid story going nowhere. Poor little Trans, ridicule won’t save you, it’s what will sink you.

          • I’m pretty sure ‘that stupid story’ is going to win the election for Trump, but ok, you do you.

            What does poor little trans mean? Are you smoking too much green again?

      • Trumpet wanted to open a casino in Sydney in the 1980’s. He got knocked back because of his mafia links…

        • Trump having links to the NY Mafia is very well established. There isn’t a builder/construction company operating in NYC from 1930 into the 1990’s who hasn’t had to deal with the five families in some capacity to get work done. This was a fact of life in New York. For example, if you didn’t play ball you couldn’t even get any cement delivered to a building site.

      • Personally I would like to see some actual evidence of Russia collusion? There isn’t any, AT ALL! The one thing any person can point to is $100k of Facebook ad buys, half of which were Democratic leaning anyway. There isn’t a skerrick of evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in any way. Prove me wrong!

  1. Arthur Schopenhauer

    France reported 45,422 new coronavirus cases on Saturday, compared to 42,032 on Friday. The country has registered a total of 1,086,497 cases.

    Germany 935 overnight.

    • Why don’t you focus on deaths and not cases, oh yes, because the death rate is .03 and the average age is 82 which is also higher than the average life expectancy.
      What is there to be scared about.

      • Not being able to get treatment for a life threatening injury or non-covid illness because the hospital is full of sick covid people using up the resources. It’s pretty simple really.

        • Not at all.
          I was simply pointing out that it is not ‘Simple’ at all and unless you consider the 2nd and 3rd order effects you can’t give an informed comment.

          • You asked “what’s to be scared of?”, I answered. It really is simple when it comes down to me at an individual level. You can keep debating all the rest endlessly, I’m not interested, the debates have been had and for better or worse the decisions have been made.

            The article posted by DLS the other day summed it up perfectly – you either do Melbourne or Sweden. We’ve already comitted to the Melbourne route, why change now, we’ll just become the US.

        • That really goes to the heart of it.
          On a personal level I’m scared so the rest of the world needs to lock down so I can feel safer.
          Let’s ignore the poverty and death it’s causing because of this and all for a virus with a .03 IFR.

        • They will as more and more people realise sacrificing the lives and futures of the young as well as our human rights is a poor trade for the perception of a little temporary safety.
          More will die from the authoritarian response made on the basis of flawed models and shaky predictions than from the virus.

      • The Penske FileMEMBER

        I’ve been watching the French figures for 4 weeks now and it’s amazing firstly how high their deaths were in the first round and now how low the deaths are in the 2nd. I wonder if the frail etc. are taking more precautions and not getting it over the young who some don’t know they even have it. Also, the French have a “diversity” problem like Melbourne’s northern suburbs… Will they actually lock down when told?

        • innocent bystander

          or maybe most of the frail died in the 1st round? so not so many available to succumb 2nd round.

    • A point that escapes many. Europe with a similar population to the US has about 203K COVID deaths. The US has about 225K.
      France at 40K cases a day is akin to the USA clocking 200K cases per day.
      Yet all we hear about is the US (and Sweden).

  2. ….”The international weekly cap will increase from 6,000 to 6,290..Prime Minister Scott Morrison wants all 26,000 Australians who want to come home back by Christmas”…

    A few weeks and stranded Australians are home. Near zero Australians leaving Australia.

    Morrison gave zero fks about stranded Australians until he realised that dumb voters objected to Australians being stranded while Immigration restarted.

    In 3 weeks immigration will start again at pretty much back to 400k a year.

    I can report WWWAAAAYYYY more planes landing at Mascot.

    LNP, Labor, MSM, big business, shafting us while our kids battle beyond 10% unemployment.

    Waiting to hear what shooters fishers and farmers federal policies are.

    …..”The extreme green agenda of the NSW Government must be called out for what it is – anti-development, anti-jobs, anti-regional NSW and anti-farming and agriculture”….state policy.

    Oh dear. Not looking good.

    • When you look back at the 1930’s you can see why the ‘general’ population would literally vote for anyone other than the same clique who continually shaft them whilst enriching themselves.
      Seems to me that history is repeating, I know I am sick of being lied to and am desperate for someone to stand up and offer an alternative.

      • Australia needs a reset IMO. Getting it won’t be easy given the entire narrative is run by the elites.

        The barometer is Labor buckling on a MRRT.

        Corporate Australia is running riot.

    • Yes, Scummo gives zero actual fvks about Australians stuck overseas but it isn’t as bad as you make out. there is a way to go before immigration restarts and it won’t be anyway near the level pre Covid for years.

      The horror of this northern hemisphere winter might derail the whole thing too.

  3. So if various regional property markets are going off, sales occurring vey quickly and at increasing prices, where are the people who are selling these properties moving to? Or are only empty rural properties being sold? Whatare these people doing with the extra ‘windfall’ money their rural retreat has bought them?

    • My anecdotal data.

      1.Moving further away. 2.One household split into two due to separation. 3.buying cheaper and retiring.

    • innocent bystander

      1. renting
      2. being sold to the naïve (I know that wasn’t the question, but some have no idea of the areas they are buying into)
      3. waiting.

      • Thanks. I’m getting to the stage where the next year or two will be critical for me and I don’t want to stuff up this process. I’m still waiting until next year before I consider buying land in the area I want to buy (nearby there are a lot of houses going for what would seem to be cheap prices, but I know there is very little work there and I think a lot are leaving because of the fires which came very close, last summer). I do think there are a lot of people who will get burnt (figuratively) with their move to the regions, but there are those who won’t. Anyway, interesting times.

        • innocent bystander

          good luck with it all.
          no one really knows how this will play out next year – covid, govt support/stimul etc
          some are making informed decisions on their move to WA – researched the area, work lined up, understand the WA economy.
          others are just wing and a pray – buying in areas they don’t know (not even been to WA).
          so, for some it will be ok.
          and ongoing cheap flowing debt will keep a lot of boats floating.

          for me, other things were in play in deciding to sell (but the surge in interest was a once in a decade event here) and the covid shut out some other options I had been considering (Parisian garret is out for eg). I always take these big upheavals as an opportunity to do something else (90s recession I went to Europe for 4 years).
          I have been looking at areas that should not be experiencing the same r/e surge as what I sold but so far there is no sign of distressed selling in inner Perth of desirable properties (and might never be) – they are not going to give em away.

          best is to watch the market and be ready (finance etc or whatever) so you can make a quick decision if/when the opportunity presents.

          • I’m glad you managed to capitalise on the situation. The area I want to be in hasn’t had a sale for 2 months but the block I preferred just sold. There’s still a lot more there but they’re larger which I didn’t want. At least now I’m certain of thetype of life and where I want it. Next step is budgeting it all and trying to figure out realistic finances, hopefully without debt (still not sure if that’spossible but I’m trying to be patient, smart and strategic which isn’t easy)

    • boomengineeringMEMBER

      Been told to remove my containers from factory at the AGM the lobbyist being the panelbeater who has dead cars everywhere.
      This prompted re look at industrial and regional/ rural. Anyhow sudden lift in listings this WE so hope you won’t have to wait too long Poppy.

      • Good luck with your situation. The hypocrisy of some people is stunning these days. I knowwhat I want and I have my doubts that all suitable blocks will sell out in this area, so it comes down to finances. And that’s going to takesome time I think. But I’m fairly confident I’ll get there eventually!

  4. Look here! I am a r8cist chvnt, but because I have – as Borat would say – a vagine, DomainFax is happy to print my filth!

    Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack, whose upwards trajectory is an inspiration to unprepossessing white dudes everywhere

    Imagine referring to a person of any other ethnicity and getting away with it

    Aditi, whose upwards trajectory on the publicly funded Orthopaedic surgery list, full aged pension and seniors card which allows her to travel on public transport for virtually nothing, despite only being in Australia for 2 days having lived in India her entire 84 years and having no prospect of paying any tax in Australia, is an inspiration to death staring Indian grannies everywhere

    Yeah – I’ll expect to see this in DomainFax any time never.

    • Australia is just catching up to the shenanigans. Manchester airport used to have the highest rate of spontaneous kidney failure in the world. Granny , needing dialysis, would be passed fit in India for the flight to the uk and land in a heap. Ambulance to the hospital and straight on the machine. No waiting list at all! This is the norm with with a vibrant diaspora! Welcome to the world

      • Point missed. I think it would be OK if other SMH opinion columnists were free to label whole groups in a similar way. But that wouldn’t survive the editing process.
        Maley giving hope to unprepossessing white chicks though. Along with Jess.

  5. In other news … wife is moving back in after almost a year with the cry of “I’m spiraling down” notice.

    What does one do when person in question might have a rare condition that something like 300 people might have on the planet – at this time. Created various psychological disorders and symptoms due to fluctuations in cerebral arteries and veins with pathways to an early childhood illness.

    Remember me fondly ….. lmmao …

      • Intracerebral hemorrhage (ICH) about this time last year after 5 weeks in Europe, 10 day masters rowing comp in France followed by travel to French Alps and then down through Italy. Two weeks later after a para night shift she was going up coast for a few days, after a doctors apt, and presented symptoms, Dr called paras and was intubated on road. Never came home after leaving hospital, common psychological factors post any significant head injury.

          • Appreciate your thoughts, yet, would use this occasion to highlight others experiences and gifted social platitudes and how that plays out for everyone else E.g. views on money, rights [elbow room], purpose in/of life, those that take it upon themselves to placate the harm done by their agency in denying most of what is available or on offer because it suits some narrow interest in human organization due to legacy dramas transported through time and space … amends T …

            Lmmao … people not understanding other people, is half, at least, of what I bang on about.

    • Defund them, mass sackings, quarter the salaries, so they never forget where it went wrong for them.

    • “The idea we would shape coverage to please our masters is very worrying,” one person said”

      lol. Beyond belief. So much irony and hypocrisy I don’t know what to say.

      Until people like Hamish McDonald and leftist elite Laura Tingle are gone, nothing can change.

      ….”pretty sure the bulk of tax is not flowing from central Queensland”…. hahahaha. These people shape public opinion.

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        Strayan households need AJ , Peta Credlin and the rest of the Sky after Dark crew streamed in to their households 24/7 under the LNP benevolent dictatorship regime we have.

    • Anything not far right is now leftie something or the other strap on, all because the right totally refused to accept any information that messed with their world views. Generationally burned in socialist et al dogma memes is just a bad case of huffing gas and then someone lights a smoke, but all are too high to comprehend.

      • Just want some balance skip. ABC are extreme wokesters. It’s not on, and must change.

        ABC do more damage than good. For example when 99% of what they talk about hardly anyone agrees with, how can they sell a CC or environmental narrative to the broader community?

        ABC have to change or be defunded.

        • They brought in MBA Executives and Marketing gurus as best business [tm] practices in running the joint, yet the market is sacrosanct, so its off on targeted viewer eyeballs in owning that market share.

          All this was discussed back in Howard’s years and how it would play out … same goes for Uni’s, public utilities, et al, now you can’t touch it because of international absentee investors and tightly coupled financial flows thingy … never the less where the Judiciary would fall with decisions.

          • Then it needs to be wrapped up. Defund it completely.

            If my view isn’t EVER represented why should I be funding it?

          • A. your views is how it got into this mess in the first place.

            B. You don’t fund it.

            C. Obviously there are media outlets which target your personal biases, so, why do you feel others should have theirs taken away – I mean in the “Market Place of Ideas” setting.

          • A. you haven’t clearly outlined how. I’d genuinely be interested to hear. Emphasis on CLEARLY.

            B. That’s factually incorrect. I fund it.

            C. Please refer to B.

            BTW, Australia doesn’t have a media outlet I align with. I want to rid ourselves of corporate influence in politics, I want the environment protected, I don’t want immigration. I want working Australians to be treated fairly. I want a sustainable Australia. I don’t want growing welfare dependence including housing.

            Point to my news outlet. It doesn’t exist for 90% of us.

          • Its federally funded so you don’t pay for it.

            The LNP agenda against the ABC is legion and only someone born yesterday would be ignorant of it, yet that does not address the freedom aspect of having such a platform for views that are contra yours. I would add that how is the corporate privatization thingy working out, especially when – because of profits – it wraps itself in atomistic individualisitc non traditional social norms.

            Seems some did not think this through very well and have to externalize the outcomes, a mea culpa would open wide the barn doors for a whole cornucopia of social ills and question its authority in such matters.

            PS. “Us” in the royal tone is a categorical error.

          • “Its federally funded so you don’t pay for it”

            Come on skip, you’re starting to sound like smith.

            LNP, Labor, doesn’t matter. It’s all the same thing now. Just different methods and angles to scam us out of our country.

          • Sounding like Smith – ???? – when I was pointing this out years ago – ????

            How do you tax something before its issued as a credit – initially – and at that level destroys sovereign money when taxed. Granted the ad hoc nature of past system and currant due to ideological – political administration does muddy the waters and make it hard to discern. Not that some are not to keen on having the unwashed find out because of fears that narrative crafting would be impaired and the consequences of that.

            Try Kelton’s book or media presentations for a introductory offering, remember if one does not challenge their environmental biases – what that suggests.

          • Skip. Obfuscating is 101 Smith and you’re doing it.

            Here’s what I know. I pay tax. ABC is taxpayer funded. ABC do not reflect my view at all. I want it to change.

          • Last week I purchased for $99.00 at the ABC Shop Online an overfed, underworked woman of privilege journalist doll with detachable misandrist smart phone and ‘I love immigration because v_brancy more than I want to reduce Australia’s carbon emissions at the same time’ T shirt, the configurable grey / pink streaked hair wig bonus set with tangerine eyeglasses, a recycled miniature cup with non soy soy non latte skim latte and a tiny ‘i hate men’ ankle bracelet.

            So I am sure I fund the ABC!

            PS I am still waiting for Kelly Bundy to deliver it, but it’s been a big week for her and besides, ‘you do you girl!’, especially when you got the corporate credit card handy and a few hours to shop online at Cartier.

          • Your insistence is not an evidence based argument, pushing affiliation as an end means in broad brushing compounds error. In the past what you believe would hold true, but, this is not that past and you did not get the memo … not my bad.

          • Haha. Coloured glasses frames are an essential silent beacon in the woke toolkit.

            They need to know who is in their tribe.

          • Still waiting skip.

            I put it out to you to outline how it’s my fault, CLEARLY, before I start my online assault on the ABC.

            Quite noble of me, to not want to be that guy.

            You’ve failed, so let the assault begin.

          • My take on that Skippy, much the same as yours, is this

            The Sea Change in Leadership of Australia’s public services since the Mid 90s

            Across the public sector – so thats the commonwealth public sector, universities, state public sectors, and lots of education, emergency service, and into organisations like the CSIRO, and the ABC – a common phenomena has unfolded.

            During the 1990s someone somewhere twigged to the idea that these tended to be filled with technocrats – generally people with very developed ‘technical’ skills of one sort or another. As is the case with people with well developed technical skills they often had very developed arguments with each other, and often headed whole branches, directorates, sections, and divisions which wouldnt engage constructively with other divisions, branches, sections and directorates – those often adhering to some other ‘logic’ (often backed by another set of data or decisionmaking basis) and were ‘resistant to change’ (as the phrase of the day was).

            Part of the reason they were ‘resistant to change’ as anyone who has ever had anything to do with the HR or IR idiosyncrasies of the technical and scientific world can tell you the technically focussed mind usually 1. Keeps a lot of data, 2. is generally risk averse in terms of whatever that technical speciality is, 3. will not listen to any logic apart from that discernible through that technical specialty, and 4. will generally ‘resist’ (overtly or behind the scenes) pressure to change. Those technocrats tended to fill their organisations with technical skills, which tended to reinforce the mindset. Like most bureaucracies those rising to the top tended to be able to divorce themselves from information that didnt suit their view of the world, so if they were psychopaths or sociopaths they were technically focussed.

            Across all of those employing sectors there was also a pronounced anti women bias – cemented into place by women generally not having the technical skills, which became a loop as these headed out to have families because they couldnt see promotion – and often buttressed by a fairly sexist workplace experience. I personally can still recall telling scientists they would need to take down their soft porn calendars and posters at one of Australia’s pre eminent scientific organisations in the early 2000s, and helped establish an anti workplace harassment network at another, and advised others on the handling of ‘sensitive workplace issues’ – there often was a misogynist undercurrent.

            A need to end old men saying ‘no’ backed with logic (and data, and technical reasoning)

            The onset of a Liberal government in the late 1990s led to a discernible focus on changing that behavioural mindset of almost all organisations. They wanted a more overtly ‘Yes I will do that’ approach to their imperatives – almost across the public sectors – and werent remotely interested in technical arguments about why this shouldnt happen, how this could best happen, or other implications of that happening. They just wanted it (whatever it was) done. They quickly identified that many of the technocrats providing advice to them were providing advice which was ‘anti’ their strategic goal. That tended to lead them towards believing in a need for public sector reform, organisational reform, and removing the type of person – often male, often older, often doggedly providing technical based advice – which had by this stage managed to irritate them. They wanted something different.

            What they went for as a replacement was a focus on ‘behaviours’ and ‘values’ with a focus on ‘leadership ethos’ and ‘team’ and ‘stakeholder’ outcomes – in the context of the only stakeholder they really wanted addressed and the only leadership they really wanted to see was the political imperative, and the only behaviours and values they really wanted to see were lots of public funded employees going ‘yes boss!’ That tended to mitigate against technical skills as being any sort of path to advancement and tended to lean towards those with the right behaviours getting the gigs at the top. Over time those at the top tended to replicate the senior executive ranks with people who, like themselves, tended to have the right behaviours towards them, which in turn made it easier for them to adopt those behaviours when reporting to those in the political sphere above them.

            Now this occurred at the same time as a wholesale gender change of the public sector took place. In the late 1990s 2/3 of all public sectors employees were men. Now that 2/3 are women. Part of this may be explained by the diminution of the the entire notion of technical requirements, subordinated to the concept of ‘management’ , but it is also in large part explained by the rise of women in areas such as law and accounting (where females outnumber male graduates) and the rise of ‘managerialism’ where women tend to take up the quals in larger numbers. It also fits hand in glove with the observation that women tend to be faster or better on picking up behavioural phenomena, in the context of behaviour now being the go to requirement. Like the men in days of yore, they tend to recruit like minded thinkers or those who will be shaped to be like minded thinkers.

            None of that should convey the opinion that it is only women, or even in the first instance a gender issue. The phenomena has also occurred in parallel with the penchant for getting private sector executives into run chunks of the public sector – with the private sector tending to be less interested in information and more inclined to the ‘just do it’ mindset. Insofar as it is women (and it is women in about 2/3 of cases) it is more about the ‘type’ of woman and the focus and behaviours involved, in relation to the type of problem that type of person was (circa twenty five to twenty years ago) identified as the answer to. Quite often it involves an ability to look subordinate staff, customers, stakeholders other than the relevant Minister (or maybe cabinet) in the eye, and weasel word the way around the issues they may raise, in order to just get done what the personage further up the ladder has identified as the strategic priority.

            The Golden Age of the public sector executive ‘Cult of Personality’

            Over time this shift has resulted in executive levels losing technical skills – indeed literacy and numeracy skills of the executive levels of a generation ago have been replaced by an approach which is sometimes described as an almost cult like, and tends to focus on a lot of ‘ra-ra sessions’ and thinly disguised workplace motivation approaches (start with Blue Bus, Mindfulness, the PEP Program along with countless others – all provided expensively by private consultants and all deliberately devoid of anything measurable for the staff being subjected to them) designed to make subordinate staff, or the public or anyone looking in from outside that any issues being experienced by them start and end with them. Communications from above have tended to veer off into meaninglessness, customers and clients have been forced online, or through phone banks recording calls for coaching purposes manned by peons told to provide nothing but the contents of a script. But year in year out public service executives and their Ministers sign off on annual reports stating that detailed analysis – often exceptionally time wasting surveys done online by staff and clients shows they are more responsive, more loved by the public and more admired by their employees than they have ever previously been. It all has an air of the surreal, and is all redolent of the late Soviet era.

            Fast forward 20 years and we now have the other end of that blooming about us. Robodebt was a classic example of technical requirements (legal for starters, economic logic for seconds, and ethical for thirds) being ignored (or simply not understood by those making decisions) in favor of the ‘just do it’ mindset being mandated from above.. The other advantage of the ‘just do it’ mindset is that it shunts all strategic decisionmaking into the political realm where it may be made without any form of significant public sector input or analysis, or with analysis only coming from Treasury as to the financing of it – how many of the decisions of the current Abbott Turnbull Morrison government have been made with little analysis as to the effects? How much analysis of JobKeeper was there, or how much about the dole? How much analysis about the submarines, or the abandoning of carbon trading? Or the Free Trade Agreements we have signed in the last 15-20 years? Has there been any analysis made available to the public by the public sector? Have we been presented an appeal to rationale or have we been sold a vibe? Vibe is where nearly all of our public services and the ‘cult of personality’ executive leaderships they nearly all have is at. Data, rationale, science and measurables are all vestiges of another era when there was a ‘public interest’ and what it has been replaced by is the ‘me, me, me!’ of politicians and the senior executives of Australia’s public services who have bent the entire notion of public service to that.

            The denouement

            But the era of information free government has about come to an end (although one assumes the Tories will try and continue it) and that consequently the era of the ‘cult of personality’ senior public sector executive – particularly those buying expensive watches or getting the public to fund 118k worth of accounting advice for themselves – potentially is drawing to a close, presumably to be replaced with another batch of psychopaths who can provide greater technical advice, and devise meaningful public works to maintain employment and once again start on meaningfully diversifying an economy which although subject to mantras of more ‘efficiency, flexibility and competition’ for more than a generation has been pared back to loading ships with the national bequest, and having a globally exposed basis revolving around the worlds most expensive people, living and working on the worlds most expensive land, and utilising the worlds most expensive energy, while lugging about the worlds most weighty debt burden – so profound has the move away from rationale, and technical skill been.

            In the case of the ABC the technical requirements – the radio broadcasts, the regional news, the national current affairs and a whole host of materials which the private sector wouldnt do in a million years and which there is quite genuine demand for – will continue. Whereas for a generation the undertaking of these information provision requirements have all too often bumped into ideology, against the backdrop of an entire generations ideology having been placed in stocks and prepared for a white hot poker to be shoved into its nether regions by COVID 19, if not by its own limitations (which were/are palpably obvious for many), even the pointiest headed ideologue is likely to find some data backed and technically coherent information useful, because they (and we) are at the point where they really do need real economic and social policy, and not having it (and having it gain traction) increases the potential for serious public disenchantment with the political and administrative process – unless they want to outsource that offshore or create another private sector parasite on the public teat (to no greater effect, but the ideological look, while exposing themselves to more scope for the offended public to witness some of the behaviours at play).

            Most of the TV shows, web articles, and radio programming which attracts comment for being too ‘woke’ or which spurs criticism for being too ‘politically correct’ tends to be programming which replaced once quite detailed news and current programmes, which that same LNP end of town came to loathe because the ‘facts’ presented didnt accord with the way they saw the world, where the the programming that is now seen as ‘woke’ came about because it was cheaper and easier for the ABC to turn to the format (lots of heat and emotion about issues rather than exploring the details, nuances, and implications of them of them) in the face of it being denuded of funding to continue the old.

          • Concur in thrust Gunna …

            Lots of numerology driven Taylorism – Fordism et al embedded to facilitate an agenda that served [tm] elites, all whilst ignoring the quality of any delivery of a good or service and the ramifications of that paradigm. Best bit is the political smoke screen it provides because of TINA.

            Know of a case where a couple of old boys were kept on post a 10 year deal as the were the repositories of its knowledge in London. Many of young eager sorts was somewhat perplexed by why they were afforded pay and perks to seemingly do nothing, but, when precise knowledge that can’t be reduced to some digital format was required it was they one would need to consult.

        • Display NameMEMBER

          There is no other news program even remotely close to 4 corners in the country anymore.Sure they need to change some. The LNP however are on the receiving end because they are a) in power and b) consistently corrupt. No surprises here. The extreme political correctness they can lose. Overall they are not too bad.

        • happy valleyMEMBER

          On the other hand, think of the RWNJ damage the Sky after Dark crew are able to do with their c. 60k piddly nightly audience.

    • On that whole story that ‘left wing, inner city, elites’ Have somehow taken control over the ABC.

      There are a few things worth observing……….

      For the most part the TV and radio shows that seem to attract the ‘woke’ observation (and I often think this myself of shows like Q&A) are hardly the full gammut of the ABC. Then the idea that the ‘woke’ content is somehow ‘left wing’ is a little bit off key insofar as they may think themselves left wing, but the one area where they arent left wing is the socio economic realm (Unions, workers rights, the divide up of national economic economic activity, and the propagation of debt in its place), and most of the areas they tend to be ‘left wing’ about are cultural issues or gender issues (womens rights, LGBT rights, immigration) where the highlighting of these issues tends to be a distraction from the socio economic left or, in the case of heavy immigration, or supports the interests of the right (nailing wages to the floor, boosting demand for housing, rents etc)


    Reserve Bank’s role in the overheated housing market … Damien Grant OPINION … Stuff New Zealand

    … concluding …

    … The entire system collapsed in 1984.

    Muldoon faced the same problem that Orr does and it is driven by the same hubris. A belief that they know better than the market and that every unintended consequence of a regulatory failure can be cured by more regulation.

    Orr wants to correct house price inflation, which has been caused by his wholesale rate policy, which has been designed to correct for an economic shock. This will cause some other result that he will not like and he will seek to regulate that away in a never-ending cycle that will eventually only benefit the purveyors of wheelbarrows.

    We now know how Muldoon’s policies bankrupted this country and forced us into a radical and painful transformation. We are yet to discover and enjoy the price that we shall pay for Orr’s equally reckless monetary adventures but in time we shall.

    Muldoon ended his career camping a parody of himself in the Rocky Horror Picture Show and earned a sliver of redemption in the process. Maybe the Reserve Bank Governor has a similar finale in his repertoire.

    • Zacly the same here
      Look at these dubious companies, say Adore Beauty, raising bucket loads of money via IPO’s
      Gunna be very interesting,soon.

    • My parents inherited what is now a $1,000,000 portfolio from my grandfather. I digitised their portfolio and put it into Commsec. Worst thing I have ever done. My dad is retired and spends all day watching it go up and down. I think it has negatively impacted his sanity.

      • My recently retired mum was doing similar things with her super balance. Was actually quite distraught at the pullback in Marsh and the impact on her balance (which to be fair was the equivalent of a year or two after tax salary). Happily, we didn’t have the conversation until May at which time I was able to give her the good news about the market rebounding.

    • Mining BoganMEMBER

      It’s about watches. Watches and a maybe vaccine.

      No corruption will be entered into.

      Oh, and Victoria curfew bad, darkie curfew in Queensland good.

    • Was that the show I stumbled upon this morning (on ABC wireless) where a woman on the discussion panel basically defended Watchgate? What a moron. Her premise was: if the Govt want these entities run like businesses then they have to expect the people who run them to behave like business people would. I can’t recall the last time a bunch of people in the private sector were handed a Cartier watch for ‘doing their job’ — perhaps a contractual year end bonus?

      The fact is, Holgate’s judgement is wanting (to put it politely) and she should go. The optics are shocking – no wonder ScoMo was seething. Literally, what was this dimwit thinking?

      • Yep.

        It would have been the show. If you didn’t hear mention of Gladys almost certainly.

        What a disgrace.

        Unless skip can clearly outline how it’s my fault, I’m starting a petition.

        It’s my personal crusade to wreck the ABC.

      • The watches were given two years ago – the “optics” were less of a problem then. And for what it’s worth, a posh watch feels like a bigger bonus than a simple cash payment of the same value so as a management tool, it isn’t the worst idea.

        ScoMo’s “outrage” is pretty obvious cover fire for Badgery’s Creek, let alone Gladdy, let alone anything that Angus Taylor and Stuart Robert and Paul Fletcher touch, let alone Michael Sukkar’s branch stacking etc.

        • Her counterpart in the US, earns $400k (USD?, AUD?) at 14 times the population.

          At over $2m AUD, she is stupidly, horrifically overpaid.

          Australia’s corporations, government executives and MSM journalists need a reset. It is out of control.

          • Fair point mig, but volume is also an issue and I’m guessing the US is also on an online binge.

            Either way, she is overpaid in my view at least 10 fold, based on a fair wage being 3 times average IMO.

            Im sure that’s at the bottom of consensus, but $2m is beyond ridiculous…..and we wonder why we’ve got a housing problem, a corporate influence problem etc etc.

          • A recent parcel sent to me from the US via the USPS crossed the pacific a number of times before being sent out for delivery in Los Angeles ( for a Canberra address ) then back across the pacific again only to disappear at the Sydney distribution Facility, without having actually landed in Sydney like it had done on previous occasions.

            I cant chase it up as they only take international enquiries from the person who sent it and they have gone off the grid apparently, Ebay cant even get a response from them.

            More deliveries are completed in the US by the likes of DHL, Fedex and other carriers because the USPS is so bad….

          • Totally agree that she is overpaid (her predecessor was worse mind you). I mean the Commissioner of Tax only earns $750k or so and he has more staff and far bigger impact on Australian life. But attack her for her pay (and what appears to be liberal use of the corporate credit card) rather than the watches.

          • Same physical size so arguably more logistically demanding…

            Much more concentrated population, so…. no.

            That said, all the people who claim to want public services run like corporations but are horrified when one is, are hilarious.

        • I’m not defending the others you mention. As most regulars here know, I would happily see every MP put up against a wall.

          Handing out blingy jewellery is the kind of thing a backstreet mortgage broker does for their staff. It’s the kind of trashy thing a person of low breeding would do.

          If it had been from her own pocket then fine, buts as usual: other people’s money. She (and the rest) need to go.

          • When I aired my outrage, my wife pointed out how much her predecessor earned. It’s all outrageous in my view.

            It all needs resetting.

      • Her premise was: if the Govt want these entities run like businesses then they have to expect the people who run them to behave like business people would. I can’t recall the last time a bunch of people in the private sector were handed a Cartier watch for ‘doing their job’ — perhaps a contractual year end bonus?

        LOL. You can’t possibly be serious.

        Bonuses, holidays (or company-paid junkets) and gifts (watches, expensive bottles of wine, gift cards, whatever) for “high achievers” are commonplace in the business world.

        • Nobody who’s a high achiever works at Auspost (in any position), the executive management’s absurd pay notwithstanding. The management there number the brain-dead, pretending to be high achievers.

          I’ve worked in several private enterprises where the giving of lavish gifts to both clients and staff alike was banned as long ago as the early nineties. Mind you, that quite possibly confirms that Auspost are still operating procedures that date back that far. And those that use the service would likely agree.

          I think you and I both know that this Holgate cretin is just a ‘woke’ appointment gone horribly wrong.

          • Nobody who’s a high achiever works at Auspost (in any position), the executive management’s absurd pay notwithstanding. The management there number the brain-dead, pretending to be high achievers.

            Quite possibly true, but irrelevant.

            (I am surprised someone as committed to free market religion as you thinks there can be a universally objective measure of “high achiever”.)

            I’ve worked in several private enterprises where the giving of lavish gifts to both clients and staff alike was banned as long ago as the early nineties. Mind you, that quite possibly confirms that Auspost are still operating procedures that date back that far. And those that use the service would likely agree.

            Well, I was working in a large multinational technology firm only a few months ago and every year they ship the “high achievers” off (in business class) to a lavish week-long holiday where they get to spend some quiet time with the CEO, sit in a couple of ra-ra sessions, and generally kick back all-expenses-paid in some tropical paradise, as a reward for their “high achievement”.

            The large gambling firm I worked out before that also liked to hand out cash bonuses and gifts.

            The startup I worked at before that, well, I’m sure you can guess.

            I think you and I both know that this Holgate cretin is just a ‘woke’ appointment gone horribly wrong.

            As I said above, whether it is, or is not, is completely irrelevant. And even if it is, the elevation of people to positions beyond their capability in private business is so utterly mundane and predictable that it’d be unusual for anyone to do much more than roll their eyes when confronted by it.

    • Why do you watch insiders? You hate it. Ypu hate what they say. You hate the ABC. Yet you religiously watch all of their worst programs and ignore all the good stuff.

      You are one weird individual.

      • I love to hate it. Weird? Maybe.

        Insiders is the benchmark. I need to go there to see how we’re being scammed. This week it’s NOT talking about Gladys.

        You have to understand your enemy. Weird? Nope.

        “good stuff”……like what?

        Every program is filthy with wokeness and deception. Every single one.

          • Landline can be okay, though is clearly woke.

            Gardening Australia is woke too.

            Media Watch. Seriously? Right up there with QandA.

          • Because I disagree with wokeness right across the public broadcaster, and you have no valid argument whatsoever to defend it?

            You are the reason we are losing our country and you’re not smart enough to understand it.

            Well done mate.

          • Because I disagree with wokeness right across the public broadcaster, and you have no valid argument whatsoever to defend it?

            Nah, because you have become so worked up about what you think is wrong in the world that you see it in everything. Insiders used to be quite good, focused on the issues etc. Then the LNP started attacking their funding, the board of the ABC was changed with direction to make them more LNP friendly, the panel changed and now they focus on wokish issues and attack anyone but the LNP with vigor…

            Could it be they have to ocus on what you consider a Woke agenda because they cant front up to the LNP without retribution….

            Gardening Australia is woke…. careful people might start to think your just a parody account that isnt even aware thats what you are.

          • “now they focus on wokish”

            You think that’s acceptable?

            The ABC have the microphone. IF THEY represented the broader views of Australia, it’d be unacceptable to defund them as LNP have done. They were very woke prior, so pretty much Australia is happy to see it happen.

            Either change or let LNP finish them.

            Of course they won’t, because coincidentally, the ABC narrative 100% allows LNP to run a mass immigration program.

            It’s a scam, it doesn’t matter how you dress it, it’s still a scam, and we’d be far better off without it.

          • “that you see it in everything”

            That’s because it’s in everything.

            I have complained about the ABC way before LNP won in 2016.

            How do you counter that?

            What value does the ABC add to Australia in its current form, where the number one newsworthy item is omitted from the flagship political show?

          • You want to focus on one petulant comment I’ve made to justify your view of the ABC?

            Just googled Costa and found plenty of woke stuff. Go and have a look.

            You gave me 3. Media Watch are extremely woke.

            Can you defend the rest of the ABC?

            Paying particular attention to their flagship shows Insiders and QandA.

            QandA is horrendously bad and absolutely cannot be allowed to continue by a country that by definition is in the middle.

            ABC must be dismantled to save Australia.

          • There you go, being an idiot again.

            Define woke, don’t dodge it, define what you think it means. Then explain to me how Gardening Australia is woke.

            Costa is a person, are you referring to him being “woke” as an individual or as the host of Gardening Australia?

            It’s pretty simple to answer.

          • Woke actually refers to an awareness of ra9ism.

            I use it instead of “left” because there’s a lot of left policy i agree with. So, as you can see, I can’t simply define what “woke” is, but surely you get the picture?

            Costa being woke, makes the show woke, but again, I’d rather not focus on one petulant comment i made.

            So, to try and define my use of woke, it’s everything the far left push (immigration, extreme welfare, true woke, gender), but not working rights and the environment which you should know, i strongly defend.

            Hope that clears it up.

            Now can you answer my questions.

          • Lol ridiculous totes. You’re a fool. I don’t have time to repeat to you what kanniget, skippy, gunna and everbody else has already told you.

            I’m too busy being “woke” in my garden. Fckn

          • The Traveling Wilbur

            You can keep Gardening Australia on the list…

            [because the presenter is too lazy and don’t have enough space they don’t grow males and females]… “I grow bisexual paw-paws instead.”.

            Just happened to be on…

          • You know what I find hilarious?

            People like you dismiss what people like me think. Trouble is it’s how most Australians think, so if I don’t understand what you, and gunna etal are telling me, that’s not my problem. It’s actually yours because it turns out we’ve ripped the guts out of Labor, and we want the ABC dismantled. Doesn’t matter to me if LNP or Labor win, but it sure matters to you…so who’s the idiot?

            I’ve told you how I see it, but instead of clearly telling me how I’m wrong, you’ve called me names…3 times.

            “And everyone else”…..classic leftist BS dismissal. Trying to put yourself on the team and outcast me? lol.

            At least there’s a fair bit of prose i can sift through with the others. Yours is simplistic garbage that’s nothing but put downs.

            Have a good look at yourself mate, because you’re acting like a FW.

          • @Totes – the 2 people on here that use the word “woke” the most are you and Dom and you both have now spoken on behalf of others like you are an authority – that’s some strange stuff right there, being an anonymous poster on a comments section who more often than not is outnumbered in every debate and yet thinks they represent the majority.

            If you’re right, all your predictions will come true at the ballot box. I’ve made my bold predictions, Qld is the next result to watch and I’m confident that Labor win, also standing by Fed Labor win. I could be wrong but at least I’m not railing against concepts I can’t properly define and pretending I know everything.

            Fckn landline woke, lol

          • Totes, define what you think “woke” is.

            There isn’t a definition. It’s just a shouting-at-clouds epithet to destroy language and prevent meaningful discussion.


            * The Destruction of Language

            Reason occurs mostly through the medium of language, and so the destruction of reason requires the destruction of language. An underlying notion of conservative politics is that words and phrases of language are like territory in warfare: owned and controlled by one side or the other. One of the central goals of conservatism, as for example with Newt Gingrich’s lists of words, is to take control of every word and phrase in the English language.

            Use the word wrongly often enough and it becomes meaningless – thus the thing it described can no longer be rationally discussed and it’s just people yelling at each other (at least until a new word/phrase is created – at which point the cycle repeats).

            See ‘v1brant’ and its variations for a different MB-relevant example.

          • ….”If you’re right, all your predictions will come true at the ballot box”….

            No one, I repeat no one has predicted federal Labor’s downfall as well as I have. I saidit here many times before it happened, and of course was ridiculed by those who “OUTNUMBERED” me as you put it in an attempt to outcast me.

            BTW, I’ve stated many times I’m happy to watch state Labor to win.

            Smith. I literally adopted using “woke” because as I said there’s much left policy I like, so I stopped using “left”. Pretty simple stuff.

    • Early March, hearing whispers of lockdowns, including cafe and restaurant closures, I panic-bought a Sunbeam Barista Max. With more time, I’d have gone higher range and bigger dollars, but I’m kind of glad I didn’t. There is a bit of mucking around involved, but the cheapo Sunbeam can produce a decent coffee. After a bit of trial and error with beans, I’ve settled on the Campos superior blend.

      I’m enough of a snob to have scoffed at the idea of making my own coffee before Covid hit, now I find it hard to imagine going back to waiting around like a schmuck for the morning takeaway.

    • I was given breville dual boiler with coffee grinder as a gift from a nice lady for all my services. Rated as best home coffee machine. Excellent coffee and great machine . Agree with csfn won’t be buying or queuing for coffee again

    • I’m a real coffee snob. I only drink it black and strong. And only one cup a day in the morning. I prefer to make my own because it’s far cheaper and I get it how I like it. When I’m forced to buy a cup from a cafe I literally pour about half of them down the gutter after one sip. My kit for home and away (as I used to travel and camp a lot before lockdown) is an old style coffee/spice grinder, a kettle and an Aeropress (with stainless steel filter plate) People will tell you a proper coffee grinder will give more consistent grind but I have no trouble getting my beans ground just how I like them. The aeropress is a pretty manual sort of operation but I enjoy the morning ritual. This a cheap setup and makes great coffee. On of the most important details is to buy coffee as beans and not ground; grind them yourself at time of consumption. The style of beans is entirely up to your tastes. And even though I consider myself a coffee snob I usually just buy a 1kg bag of Vitoria when on special for $15 at Woolies. I do experiment with others but I generally find it’s not worth big price difference, I guess this is subjective.

      • Popliteal fossa

        I’m also a snob, love the ritual as well. I have an italian Hx machine and breville grinder (next on list). i used to use Vittoria organic beans when on special, but highly recommend you try the Aldi single origin beans. Peru > Brazil > Colombia > Ecuador. They are $13/kg always.

        • Thanks. Will try Aldi. They have some very good quality food that I already buy. My gf buys hers coffee pods there (pods!) already.

    • Have had a Delonghi Magnifica S for a couple of years which I’ve been really happy with. Only use it for espresso.

    • any coffee snobs here? What gear are you running at home?

      I am by no measure a coffee snob, however, I have a Breville “The Oracle” and it makes better coffees than probably 3/4 of the cafes I go to (and usually as quickly if not quicker).

      Wife was sceptical about dropping $1800 on a coffee machine at the time, but it has paid for itself twice over at least.

      • Popliteal fossa

        The problem making great coffee at home (only) is that when you ‘do’ pay for it, you’er usually unsatisfied, unless you’re at an uber trendy coffee house in inner melbourne that we all secretly attend.

        I’ve got a bezzera BZ10 – an entry level Hx machine – and it keeps us well caffinated. I think i calculated a conservative payoff in 270 days (only factoring in machine price, not including grinder (an older breville smart grinder pro), coffee (aldi single origin which is actually great at $13/kg) and electricity (10-12kw/h a month.

        • The problem making great coffee at home (only) is that when you ‘do’ pay for it, you’er usually unsatisfied, unless you’re at an uber trendy coffee house in inner melbourne that we all secretly attend.

          The benefit of not being a coffee _snob_ but just liking a good one when it arrives, is that when you do get an average (or even below-average) coffee it’s just a “meh, won’t go back there” and move on, rather than something to care about.

    • Rancilio Silvia, also have a clever coffee dripper which I really like. Recommend for beans.

    • Depends how you like your coffee. I use V60 pourover or aeropress, with fresh ground beans from a Breville Smart Grinder. This is an inexpesnive setup that makes the filter-style black coffee I like and it’s very hard to get anything as good in cafes.

    • running a

      ‘Saeco Odea Go Super’
      I only drink black coffee as a rule, but I would have 4-5 a day (big mugs at home). I find the Saeco does the job nicely. I go for the Lavazza beans (the Saeco grinds them up) but occasionally will throw in some of those Aldi beans someone mentioned above.. I throw the coffee grounds onto my garden too

    • Coffee snobbery defines me, my identity, my gender. Many good coffee machines out there, I have a breville, don’t know the model, can’t see it from here.

      If you’re in Sydney, buy your coffee from, Cafe Hernandez, at Kings Cross/Darlinghurst. Also, admit this to no one, buy a 1kg pack of the low class, scumbag, Caffe Aurora Ground, by no means any good, but, you can blend it with the, “gourmet sh!!!t” (Pulp Fiction), increasing your supply of an overall great coffee.

    • Narapoia451MEMBER

      Not really a coffee snob, but I run a Breville conical grinder (entry level about 200 on special, absolutely crucial piece of gear) and a basic stainless steel stovetop Mika pot.

      I will buy coffee out, but it’s not something I get excited about. A flat white espresso, vs what I make at home – 9 out of ten times I prefer my own coffee (milk, cream and honey to sweeten) run thousands of cups through that moka pot.

  7. Interesting link on COVID mortality globally with detailed per country info and age breakdowns. Also considers the difference between countries whose health systems breakdown vs those that don’t. From Swiss Policy Research.

    My interpretation is that we need to protect our health system (flatten the curve I guess) and maintain low cost and effective measures Of slowing the spread to Manageable levels. Short term (Known duration, maybe 14 days?) lockdowns only as a last resort when sh!t gets out of hand And threatens to overrun our health system and as localised as possible to reduce greater economic, mental health And other unanticipated issues. Obvious to me is that the protection of the elderly is high priority as they are the ones at risks that are excessively higher than other diseases that we deal with on a regular basis. For everyone else those risks appear to be no greater than many other diseases we just live with.

    Not trying to start an argument here, it’s just my interpretation. I believe the linked info presents the facts and you all will no doubt offer your interpretations as well. Get at it then fellas (and ladies).

    • If you simply stop accepting people from nursing homes into hospitals if they have COVID symptoms, you will never run out of capacity for the rest of the population. They are already doing this, discretely, in Ukraine. In fact many times the dispatchers will ask the age of the patient and if they are over 80 they will simply not send an ambulance, even for elderly people not in nursing homes.

        • The life expectancy in Ukraine is 72. If you are 80 you are ancient.
          The president of Ukraine just announced that no new lockdown will take place unless cases hit 15,000 per day. Most recently 7,500. Streets, bars, cafes, restaurants are filled with happy people this weekend, and the local elections nationwide take place tomorrow. The local mayor here just unveiled a new outdoor water feature in the central square. Tonight several thousand people went out to see it.

    • The anti-bodies study is often quoted but is fake science : there are a lot of fake positive results.

      In Melbourne, the mortality rate for nursing home resident with COVID-19 is 25%. That’s the harsh reality.

  8. What about the “bullsht party” being called a more broadly acceptable “the reset party”?

    • Were they running entirely on battery stored solar power at night time? Or were they still relying on non renewables? It’s still a great achievement but the hype in some of these articles can be a bit misleading. I’m all for as much renewable energy as possible but I’m not convinced that Our storage capacity is up to the task of replacing existing base load infrastructure yet. I’m also not yet convinced that the storage technology we are rolling out (battery) will be all that much more environmentally friendly when life time of the equipment and mass scale usage are considered. There will need to be some pretty impressive recycling programs for the waste. I can be certain of this either but I have read that the amount of power that is required to produce solar panels and batteries is somewhere near the same as what they produce over their lifetime. Can’t verify that one sorry. If we could create a positive energy feedback loop of producing renewable energy sources and storage with existing renewable supply and enough energy left over to power our daily usage on top that would be a real feat. Still have the waste and recycling issue though. Pretty sure all those solar panel and battery manufactures are using cheap nonrenewable resource provided energy (gas, coal, etc) to produce their products. Happy to be proven wrong, I’m excited for the renewables and storage future, I just don’t believe we are as close to it as the media likes to hype it up to be.

      • In de-industrialized sh1tholes like adelaide, it’s houses running on solar and the rest is small industry.
        Try reliability running a 150MW rock crushing plant ffs, or any heavy industry.

  9. A question for the Queenslanders. The grand final was being beamed into Darwin via Qld. The adverts included some from Palmer United. Are they doing a blitz again for the election?

  10. Of the numerous matters of immigration offensively opined on by Neville Roach in the Piles & Irritations article was this one:

    There are two other sacred components of immigration and settlement policy that have been violated by the ‘law and order’ culture. The first weakens the fundamental citizenship rights of Australians with dual citizenship, who can now have their Australian citizenship revoked, refused re-entry or even deported, if they engage in ‘conduct inconsistent with allegiance to Australia’.

    The Dual Passport holder is allowed the privilege of having two passports, of effectively being able to skip between two nations and the various degrees and mixes of shelter that their societies afford to suit his whims and desires, yet should live free of the responsibility and consequences of any of his own ill actions and have his rights and privileges of access to one of those societies withdrawn. Boo-phucking-hoo Neville Numbnuts.

    • Totally agree Stewie. What a total chvnt.

      I would dump dual nationality altogether and put a time limit on PR. Either live cleanly for 5 years, then get Aus Citizenship, dump all others, pass a real (not fake) English test, pledge allegiance to a secular Australia with Australian values at a public ceremony or else GTFO. Death stares optional.

      • No immigration is a better idea. Retrospectively apply what you’ve proposed on those already here.

      • “Just fired off a preemptive high impact death stare at the senior member of an extended family of New Australians at ALDI”

        That was funny.

    • misplaced anger there Stewie. Pretty much all dual nationals I know are fully aware of the expectations of both their nations (99.9999% of which they are fully aligned). AND most agree with the deprivation of adopted nationality should they fail some character test at a later date e.g. for criminal activities. You are generalising there pal.
      Also by focusing on “dual nationals” your criticism seems to include naturally born Australians who acquire a 2nd nationality at a later date. I suspect you meant the other scenario of immigrants acquiring Australian citizenship. Correct ?
      Language tests (properly enforced and tested) are net net positive to the overall situation. Migrants can find themselves on the outer of wider society if they can’t communicate with a wider number of people.

      • I understand why people have dual citizenship; the flexibility it provides, not to mention the piece of mind. It is an emotive topic and I respect that other people may have different opinions on the subject than me, but this is just my personal opinion that dual citizenship is something that should be discouraged. It does not make for better Governorship and it introduces many more conflicts.

        If something like dual citizenship is allowed then it should contain restrictions, like the ability to participate in elections and make donations. Dual citizenship creates a class of citizen with more rights than another with the rights of only a single citizenship – with additional rights come greater sacrifices and responsibilities.

        My view of this is not impacted by the question on whether it is a Chinese born immigrant seeking dual Australian citizenship, or an Australian residing in London seeking dual UK citizenship – if you are going to seek citizenship, commit 100% that is all..

    • We have no control over the laws of other countries. We cannot force other countries to revoke their citizens’ citizenships just because they become citizens of Australia.

      Even a cursory glance at history shows that citizenship confers no inherent loyalty. Citizens will betray their natural homelands, non-citizens will be loyal to their hopeful homelands, nations will abandon their citizens, nations will welcome non-citizens.

      • For the average cosmopolitan consumer like yourself I would agree citizenship is probably about as important as a frequent flier card, but it would be a fallacy to ascribe your own apathetic views towards citizenship and community towards the wider community, and to write off its importance or meaning for the majority simply because a few feckless, honourless insects would betray it for a few pieces of silver.

        Citizenship means something and will always mean something, certainly if you ever expect to generate the sort of civic mindedness and sense of belonging that was responsible for generating the social capital you are always lamenting our loss over as what little remains is privatised and sold off.

        As for policing what other countries oblige of their citizens, no we can’t police it – but we can certainly police our own and make obtaining citizenship to Australia contingent on renouncing citizenship towards from whence you came. No man can serve two masters, and if you are coming to Australia to be Australian, commit 100% to it, not 50%.

        • Stewie, citizenship is not a zero sum game.
          Loyalty to a country is what matters and the document makes no weight but as a token of pride. Well, if it does more than the pride then there ain’t loyalty much.
          Does it mean that Aussies having UK passport are not loyal to this country or vice versa?

        • LOL. The usual collection of fallacies and projection.

          I wasn’t ascribing attitudes to anyone. I was pointing out that history demonstrates citizenship confers no inherent loyalty, in either direction. Which is why it’s trivial to find examples of “cosmopolitan consumers” like military veterans defecting, or states grossly betraying their own citizens.

    • This has been going on since Adam had his cave on the market.
      If it was stoppable, it would have been stopped by now.
      Repeat after me, “To the best of my knowledge (insert appropriate questionable action here)….” or “Based on the facts in front of me at the time….” or the excuse in vogue at the moment “I don’t recall …”

    • A couple of things – 1st, they know what the public think, given the disabling of the comments. 2nd, at $7 billion, it would raise the deficit from $213bn to $220bn – seriously, at this point, who cares? 3rd, every single dollar of that extra $7bn will get spent. The jobless are not saving their newstart – be assured of that! This is the biggest no-brainer you have ever seen. The libs would do well to remember that some of their own voters have become unemployed of late and this is a sure fire vote winner.

      • +1000
        COVID has forced on us a quasi UBI and that’s not a bad thing.
        I think in less than 20 years we will be using something other than dollars to trade stuff in and out of the country and that deficit won’t matter a damn.

        • If only a bit more U was actually involved in that quasi UBI it would be more preferable in my opinion (not to mention simpler to implement, less easy to rort and a more trickle up approach) As long as it was temporary and gradually wound back over time when economic conditions allowed. I feel,it would have been a fairer approach and also make a fair argument for taxing it back when the economy allowed, possibly even at a flat tax rate across the board like with Medicare. Both are universal benefits.

    • happy valleyMEMBER

      “Returning to $280 a week would be fairly cruel and unusual punishment,” he said. (Pat Connaghan, LNP, NSW)

      Not at all. BAU for a happy clappy PM and his happy clappy inner sanctum.

      Meanwhile, the “refund” of excess franking credits to zero taxpayers has been costing taxpayers ~$6bn pa for many years since John Howard gave the ultimate gift that keeps on giving in the early 2000s, which cost $0.5bn pa then and has grown exponentially.

      A sick country and a series of morally bankrupt gubmints.

      • So if the interest you earn on your money on deposit in the bank was taxed at source at 30% but you were a low income earner and therefore your tax rate was zero you don’t think that the tax withheld that you were not liable for should be refunded?
        That seems unfair.

        • The Traveling Wilbur

          And if the bank was supposed to or had ever in the past already paid tax to the government on a (to them) liability like that, then there might be some point in discussing that comparison. But there’s no such thing as a pre-tax liability. So let’s not.

          Said person who is getting screw3d with all this interest savings tax can fill out a return if they want it back.

          Franking credits should not be a protected income stream.

          • The bank gets a tax deduction for the interest, it doesn’t get a tax deduction for dividends but it has paid tax on the profits that gave rise to those dividends. So if a retiree gets interest of $10 (which costs the bank $7 after tax) rather than franked dividends of $7, the outcome for the tax payer is the same.

            The franking system is an elegant system that works well and means that few Australian owned companies have any incentive to avoid tax.

            The real issue is why retirees receiving franked dividends (and in fact any income from their superannuation funds) don’t pay tax on that income. That is Howard’s real legacy. Poor Kelly O’Dwyer was nearly kicked out of her seat by entitled local party members for her modest pull back on that Howard gift in capping the amount in tax free super at $1.6m.

          • The Traveling Wilbur

            No. Something that offsets gross profit is not a “deduction”.
            No. The business did not necessarily pay tax on earnings leading to the dividends – there is no correlation between the two.
            No. It’s not elegant. Income and tax are supposed to be entity based. Allegedly. Personal income tax is supposed to be exactly that – tax paid being a reflection of the recipient’s PERSONAL income over all income streams. All. Allegedly.
            No. None of this was mentioned earlier or needed mentioning at all as it is irrelevant to clarifying the strawman comparison above re tax on savings interest (something said Minister agrees with btw, otherwise wouldn’t have tried to cap it at a PERSONAL limit of any kind now would they?).
            No. Please don’t mansplain anything else for me, thanks.

          • happy valleyMEMBER

            The franking credit system as Keating designed it was sensible and aimed at avoiding double taxation on a company’s profit (ie on the profit per se and then on the dividend paid from the post-tax profit) but as you say Howard bastardised the system by making pension phase superannuants, zero taxpayers and therefore no tax ended up being paid on the profit from which the dividend was derived.
            The Labor Party proposal was effectively aimed at only allowing franking credit offsets to the extent the person otherwise had tax to pay. Instead, perhaps they should have reimposed tax at say 15% on pension phase superannuants or capped franking credit refunds at $10k per annum.

            To an extent, the “taxes will always be lower under a LNP gubmint” (but aren’t) LNP commencing with Abbott gubmints (eg they were the gubmints that also reduced the superannuation tax surcharge threshold income from $300k pa to $250k pa) possibly reduced the tax leakage somewhat by imposing the $1.6m fund size limit on tax free pension phase funds and put the excess over $1.6m in to taxable accumulation phase.

            However, it would be interesting to know how much in franking credits is still being “refunded” to pension phase superannuants. For a $1.6m members-all-in-pension-phase fund getting a 4.2% pa cash dividend yield with full franking credits (ie 6.0% pa grossed up yield), the franking credit refund would still be $28,800 pa.

          • It is a deduction. There is correlation. Agree with point three.
            Shorten’s policy was obviously correct because individuals with nil personal taxable income are non-taxpayers so can’t be receiving a refund. It is just a welfare payment.
            imputation doesn’t integrate companies and individual shareholders as tax entities – and this was never the purpose.

          • The Traveling Wilbur

            Orgs can issue franking credits, pay no tax and still book a profit.
            Orgs can even issue franking credits, pay no tax and book no profit at all.

            Anyone claiming there’s a correlation is being disingenuous. Or living in fairyland.

          • If they allocate more franking credits than are in their franking account they are liable to pay a franking deficit tax. Or otherwise the deficit is offset at the next income tax payment. So there is correlation over time

          • The Traveling Wilbur

            So Fairyland it is then…

            Correlation is a statistical measure that expresses the extent to which two variables are linearly related (meaning they change together at a constant rate).

            Note: constant

          • The Traveling Wilbur

            But don’t worry, it’s all good to use words that don’t actually have the definition of their intended meaning, on MB. Even if they mean the total opposite of their actual definition. Or so I’ve been told.

            Allegedly. (heh)

          • Um … incentivization foaming the runway for increased privatization with shareholder value memes in removing government agency goes splat … thingy ….

          • they are correlated.
            A company can’t distribute franking credits without having paid or creating a liability to pay the equivalent in tax.

          • The Traveling Wilbur

            Maybe if I use smaller words? Tax paid by an org (including provisions for dividends) can be zero for a given year, even when a dividend is paid that year. It’s called tax credits. Not constant ratio for what Jason (don’t blame me for this) started banging on about and therefore is not correlated.

            PS Don’t blame me for you not reading other peoples’ crappy comments.

            As to what you’re saying, yes, no argument. But that’s like saying GST paid on a product is ‘correlated’ to the price of the product. Not the right word brah. Not even a question either.

        • migtronixMEMBER


          “its not about your loss its about everyone else’s gain, and you’re super selfish if you don’t want everyone to take everything you have”

  11. So, no relaxation for Melbourne lockdown, due to the mishap at the school they are trying not to name because unwashed might get wrong idea.

    Wokesters must be loving the vybrancy by now

    • two plus twoMEMBER

      Yeah, that was a good one! Always enjoy the first decent storm of the season. The 5y.o. loved it too. The dog not so much…

  12. Black swans……….Pfft?
    10 weeks to Xmas and the end of the last quarter for 2000
    The land of paradise for the working man has been free of recession for the past 28 years,
    but it was hardly free of trouble.
    Now Black Swans are coming home to roost, we have huge trouble on our hands

    So after spending all this govt money, when is the economy going to rebound >>> and how will we know, what will this new era look – feel like
    I say, It will not only look like a traditional depression but for the snowflakes, will feel like the end of the world
    The OEDC, tells us, our economy has fallen short of its potential (full-capacity output)
    in 18 of the past 28 years. (I don’t think there is any disagreement, we all know that)
    The World Bank forecasts for Straya the deepest recession since WW2 and declines in per capita output since 1870,

    For me the research was to get an idea of when to pull the money invested, off the table
    But then I thought, why jump ship too early,
    So maybe the best indicator is the asx 200, the XJO,
    and as you will see, it is rolling over a recent top
    Maybe the US election is doing that.
    But worth keeping an eye on, cos when the smart money bails
    All the kings horses and all the kings men, etc. WW

    • migtronixMEMBER

      Listen to this idiot!

      “Mr Joyce said. “The generosity possible pre-COVID will not be possible now.”

      So when the blowhard said you didn’t really need it because the economy was so bonza we’d give you some, but now that you’re desperate….

      • Was that Barrrrnaby, or the man from QAN.
        Makes no difference really
        they have fundamentally rooted the country.
        there is no one about spending, now that may be the storms here, could be a big cyclone season
        or it may be the high proportion of retirees and grossly unfit who populate this joint
        it could be no tourist service industry
        It could be restaurants staying shut
        It could be overdue rent and car payments
        It could be Labor are 1.18 to win next week
        But there is just nothing happening.
        Is it the Cantillon effect, where the govt stooges get bailed
        and the punters get the shaft?

          • Barnyard should be lying very very low
            this sydney airport land heist investigation, could extend to land for the inland rail.
            Nod nod,wink wink.

        • Add this:
          Brisbane: thousands lose power after storms, after all it is 2020, no one could have prevented that???
          Man critical after shark attack in Townsville,
          you muck around with sharks they will bite you Often in half.
          No one knows that, do they??

          • Add this
            Cyclone season starts on 1 Nov, next week, but looks like someone couldn’t wait to take out Great Keppel Island facilities:
            Arson investigations are under way after GKI, a once-iconic tourism resort was left gutted by fires that police believe were deliberately lit yesterday.

          • Add this
            Autobarn tweed heads burns down
            I said to them months ago guys you are 3x more expensive than on line
            they said, go on line .
            So I did. Must have been plenty like me followed.
            There is a Jaycar across the road from them
            equally expensive as compared to on line.

    • All I’ve seen is idiots spend all the free money on expensive cars. Just bid up the prices lol..

      That and gym equipment, you’d think gym equipment would be cheap due to gyms closing up. But nope.

    • I saw it last night. To be honest I found it hard to laugh. The first 1 was new and a novelty. This 1 was just going for shock factor, but I found it a bit overdone. Just didn’t see it as that funny.

      PS: I agree Democrats are more dangerous than Corona Virus. Haha.


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    … h/t AP …

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    … the gap is STILL WIDENING … what will the next Survey (release 25 January 2021 ) show ? …

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