Sunday Supplement 1 November 2020

‘McIntosh’s saw mill at Echuca, floodtime’ 1887 JW Curtis, Art Gallery of NSW


Macro & Markets




Terra Specufestorus

…and furthermore…


The Rock

Dr No

You Only Live Twice

Diamonds are Forever

A Bridge Too Far

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

The Hunt for Red October

The Man Who Would be King

The Name of the Rose

The Untouchables

The Russia House

….Vale Sean Connery….


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      • The news was all getting a bit too much this week but reading talk of re-stumping in the 80’s shows reason why you could be old enough for a little nostalgia when looking back at Sean Connery’s movie legacy. I loved the clips, thanks for picking those out.

    • B……

      Yes because some blind person is willing to pay that price this QTR because interest rates are 2.29% (RBA FREE MONEY)

      Look at rhe US 10 year bond yield, it’s starting to rise last few days

      Interest rates are going up next year they’ll be 4.58 not 2.29% this time next year

      We are now in the initial stages of the next GFC
      House prices are going to crash next year into rising interest rates

      Just a few crazy prices ……don’t read too much into it, in markets the higher and longer something stays the longer and lower it goes down.

      Don’t be fooled it’s smoke and mirrors at this stage

      We are right at the end of the 40 year bond bull market and at the beginning on the multi decade bond bear market

      Just quietly watch the US 10 year & 30 year bond yields over next 3 to 6 months

      If they rise into this crisis you’ll have warning sign that Australian house prices are going to start there decline this QTR into rising home loan rates

      If you are in Melb or Syd, just rent and don’t fall for FOMO………that’s what always catches people out.

      *********Also I was just looking at DXY, the market is so short USD

      If Trump wins this week like I think he will……and polls all have BIDEN, the USD could sky rocket maybe heads towards 100

      Does anyone else think TRUMP is possibly going to win ??

      I think he could win

      Wow would that shake things up

      … keep an eye on the US 10 & 30 year yields this week….something is quietly going on there

      rising home loan rates in AUST next year will shock and frighten everyone …..

      • Why would the mortgage rates rise if rba Ttf facilities soak up all the foreign debt and keep the rates low locally. Aud will cop it but loans fine. Almost like a de globalisation of the debt.

        • Do I need to say anymore

          Nathan you’ve just rung the bell

          Guys I certainly don’t know everything but I’ve been around long enough to see quite a few downturns

          Nathan (and all his mates) will be standing in front of my soup van in a year or 2

          These guys never survive

          interest rates are going to rise from credit risk that is triggered by deflation

          That is very low inflation actually makes interest rates rise

          • PaperRooDogMEMBER

            Intresting thought on interest rates rising. I even wondered if when the banks get into trouble they have to rasie rates as the LNP have talked themselves into a corner about free markets, will it be politically palatable to Aussies to allow Banks to be bailed out, will they still be electable? (Probably …)

        • ‘Former Mt Druitt resident’ lol. Nathan is a second generation property investor, his parents had a successful small business and a multiple property portfolio before he got started.

        • Hoody
          If you are right
          Start the count down

          The USD is going to explode up, you’ll see gold gap down
          Think Dow will rise then fall quickly
          Think big sell off in Nasdaq – trump will go after big tech, regulate or break up
          Think US government bond yields will rise

          Feels like Biden has done a shorten
          He’s taken the changes too far

          Let’s see Wednesday our time

          • Rorke's DriftMEMBER

            Bcnich I’ve outlined a week or two ago my 5 figure bet on Trump winning Im that confident of his genuine vote. The unknown is how much cheating, litigation, rioting and choas occurs to prevent him declaring a result or claiming office.

            I also have 6 figure position in BBUS eft, betting on markets falling from here to mid 2021, which I’ll progressively add to.
            But I do think if a clean Trump win then markets will rise into Jan, with the collapse coming Feb to Apr period. Probably starting with European economic collapse from 2nd round Covid lockdowns through their winter.

            Im convinced you’re correct on rising interest rates early next year and that Australians arent positioned for it.

            What I cant think through is rising USD, what triggers that? Whats the mechanism.

            Also I need some money protected if a banking collapse occurs, cash lost, maybe atms down for a while etc. Perth Mint cash account and switching between that and their unallocated or even allocated gold accounts seems an option. Thinking about some silver coins kept at home for emergency but not sure how convertible. Just trying to think through how best to position as the collapse is close and real. 2021 will be worse than 2020. No point getting this right if not positioned for it.

            Can always just unwind these positions if collapse doesnt occur and say Trump saves the world.

      • Heard recently from a mate who lives up that way, much fewer carp in the Murray now that the Murray cod have grown back to large size and are predating on the carp.. The carp were able to exploit the removal of huge numbers of cod during the overfishing in the 1800s. Some environmental programs have also helped.

  1. Qld LNP chick on ABC election coverage whinging about not getting enough media attention lol. I still watch fta tv like an old timer (LNP target market) and they pumped the ads, same with all the qld boomer radio stations. LNP lore is mug punters don’t care about the news, they care about how you market yourself but now they’re loosing it magically changes. Now she just accused Aus Post of not delivering postal votes. This is hilarious, LNP crying hard. Tim Mander is losing his mind, Campbell Newman is writing in and hassling Mander who is openly slinging it to Newman. They are crumbling. I’m confident Andrews wins, McGowan wins, Berejiklian gets toppled, Fed Labor wins.

    In 2012 qld labor got destroyed but LNP botched their chance and keep shooting themselves in the foot. Spuds

    • Mining BoganMEMBER

      James Ashby is insane. Completely, totally, utterly insane. He raved something about media too but for the life of me I couldn’t get a take on what he was yelling about.

      • Once again I have to apologise on behalf of Caloundra High School for bullying James Ashby and making him the lunatic he is. I didn’t bully him, didn’t even remember him but all the fellas I know a few grades above me relentlessly bullied him and this is what it turned out. That rant was off tap.

          • Mining BoganMEMBER

            Maybe he’s a feminist. He’s the only one to make Amanda Stoker look rational all night.

            James Ashby. Doin’ it for the ladiez.

    • Fed Labor is as politically potent as my left nut.

      Totes BW, chime in brother.

      Btw, Campbell Newman…jesus fycking christ. Definitely one of those all tip, no iceberg types.

      • I’m sure Penny will have something measured and dignified to say about a problem that is bigger than All of us at some point.

    • Antony Green says ALP may not get 47 seats though, due to the LNP preferencing Green ahead of Labor. Let’s see how close it gets.

      Have to say I feel blessed that Australia have someone like Anthony Green as the election-go-to person.

    • Easy to say that from QLD, you haven’t copped it from Labor for the last four months like we have in VIC.

      • You are correct.

        But I made my bold prediction the other week about Labor across the country and I’m sticking by it. My reasoning is easily argued against but I’m making the call, ALP Australia.

        • Actually competent Labor leaders will be reelected. You could boil that down to “competent leaders will be reelected”. Gladys will be back. Albo won’t get into power because he has nothing to offer and is a nonentity. Andrews would hopefully be voted into oblivion but with two years to rewrite history, I can’t be completely sure.

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            Usual emotion post win affects people’s judgment. WA and Vic Libs are hopeless so I’m certain ALCCP will be returned there. Federal Labor are useless and there are different issues in play federally so barring a disaster they’ll remain in opposition.

            As far as Manders comments IMO there is some validity in them, not just because the LNP made them. In times of crisis the incumbent often has an advantage. That being said QLD Labor and LNP both awful. Trad is thankfully gone but replaced by a Green so no gain there.

          • The idea of Andrews being elected is simply horrifying and I’m definitely not an LNP guy. No matter how bad the VIC LNP may be, I’m sure enough people have swung towards hating Andrews to see him gone. I mean, are we going to elect a virtual dictator because the opposition are “hopeless”? We’re still not allowed to protest in Vic, ffs!

            Btw, I actually liked Andrews before COVID. But now I can’t stand to look at him. I’ve been told the same from apolitical friends. The amount of damage he’s done to the state is simply astounding. He gets no credit from me for managing to bring the virus back under control using a four month lockdown. Every other Premier did far better.

          • I agree but the ALP tribalism in Victoria is something else. As has been mentioned, Andrews should have followed Mikakos out the door but he’s still there. Hopefully the economy in Victoria has been eviscerated to such an extent by 2022 that he’s gone for good.

            Also the behaviour of the Greens and Fiona Patten in supporting that idiot shouldn’t be forgotten either.

          • I think the fanatical ALP supporters exaggerate their powers. Fact is that there was an LNP government between 2010 and 2013. Sure, they didn’t last, but you have to go back even further to see the Republicans controlling California, for example, a truly rusted on jurisdiction where the Left can’t be beaten. Victoria put the Federal LNP into power.

            We’re not irredeemable. Although, if Andrews is reelected, I will be genuinely worried that we’re on track to end up like California, Illinois, New York, all those places where the Left always wins. High tax, rising crime, people want to leave…

            Anyway, I’d have been as comfortable voting Labor in the last election as LNP (although I went LNP). Now it would be out of the question. No number of Twitter shills will convince me otherwise.

          • Agree on most but as far as California goes, the big factor that rarely gets mentioned is the role of mass migration from South of the border which California has been smashed by more than most other states. It was a died in the wool republican state once upon a time.

            That being said it’s a basket case state now whichever way you look at it.

          • Gents, I was woken up early by a mate in Berlin.

            As I’ve said a few times the Europeans at least have been watching what Dan Andrews has done in Melbourne with interest as a forerunner of what they can expect as they head into winter. Things are now looking as though they will quickly get out of hand there.

            I have related to those in Europe I know that the only reason the virus got out here was because the government went cheap on contact tracing and quarantine security – and that the response here has included riot police rocking at to handle a batch of kids protesting near Vic Market (maybe a dozen people) and the cuffing of a pregnant woman in her pyjamas for a Facebook post – and that consequently there are suggestions the point end of fascism could be upon us.

            An observation made – (we got onto a 3 way hook up with another mate just outside Dublin) with Ireland having a very serious lockdown having seen what happened in Melbourne too – is that parts of Europe (the Irish are even looking at home delivery groceries apparently) is that come the other side of this winter, Andrews and the Melbourne experience, could come to be seen as an epic piece of near genius and the ‘gold standard’ outcome other nations are looking to get.

            I know that thought wont be popular with some people here, but given what is happening in the US and the responses already being rolled out in Europe ahead of their winter, I am wondering if it leads to Andrews having a public identity akin to Nelson Mandela come next March, and possibly being in a position to ridicule ScoMo and the Commonwealth for their absolute fraud in the management of the virus – and by that stage you would be in the lead up to the next federal election too.

            It would also lend itself to the public increasingly listening to Andrews warnings about distancing and masks, in the face of ScoMo’s ‘open up soon’ style message.

          • Rorke's DriftMEMBER

            Gunna I see Andrews as a traitor who should be run out of the country. He introduced fascism to this country and softened up the population for whatever is to come. I suspect Melbourne was the test run by the global controllers of how far you can push a Western population and how best to control people, ahead of rollout across europe through this northern winter.

            That so many Victorians copped it with little effective push back and even thanked and respected their fascist overloads against the hopes of the world is forever their shame.

          • Perhaps the point end of fascism, as the old coq refers to it, was the Victorian government’s desire to start to deputise random people and empower them to arrest perceived quarantine breakers. It didn’t make it through but the desire and intent was definitely there.
            But as I predicted ages ago, though the old coq airily dismissed it, Andrews will be re-elected if he so chooses.

          • Gunna I see Andrews as a traitor who should be run out of the country. He introduced fascism to this country and softened up the population for whatever is to come.


            20+ years of Federal Liberals “anti-terrorism” laws for arbitrary detention, warrantless searches, privacy-invading telecoms monitoring, persistent and ongoing attacks on unions and social security, increasing influence of corporations and business into Government policy, etc, etc.

            But, yeah, Dan Andrews “introduced fascism to this country”. 🙄

          • Rorke's DriftMEMBER

            Drsmithy, open your mind mate. Andrews actions are not justified by whatever the Libs did. You can make a separate argument about them, or I can agree with your that we have no real political power with our limited right to choose between two poor options. But my comment is not a left-right thing, dont let them distract you with that. The world dictatorship is closing in, freedoms and rights are being lost, the signs are all around us.

        • The only way I could see Labor winning is if they get in a bidding war with the Coalition over cutting immigration – if they did and out cut the LNP it would be a Labor landslide.

          • Yes, but are federal ALP able to make that case to their party members in VIC and NSW? A significant number are recent arrivals themselves.
            I think Morrison will see the QLD result as a positive for all incumbent leaders, and the federal election will come far earlier than expected…. April certainly pre-winter if no viable Vaccine ( and there won’t be)
            Further reasons for early Federal election.
            1. A manageable fire season. last years fires reduced fuel loads and La Nina is dominant.
            2. Taking advantage of the cyclical lull in CV19 cases.
            3. VIC ALP is currently very unpopular.
            4. CV19 support payments to individuals, Small business and others without the political capital in the coalition is not regarded as productive. It’s a bribe the libs/ nats would rather lavish on supporters.
            April-May election, austerity and lockdown Q1 21-22

          • @Barratuesdai

            Interesting reasoning, but ultimately I find myself disagreeing with you.

            At the moment I think the punters on the streets are in a ‘wait and see’ mode. Many of them are employed in circumstances which are quite precarious. At the moment the scheduled return to normal solvency laws by end of Q1 2021 should mean that those business will need to have basically made up their mind by that stage as to whether they are viable or not. I think the Josh Depressionburg budget offers little motivation to wavering businesses to hang in there. If you recall late last year and early (pre Covid) this year there was a spate of retail closures – which really set the mood for an economy which was in or close to recession prior to Covid – and it wouldnt surprise me one iota if we had some sort of reprise Q1 next year.

            So that has me thinking the Liberals need a mini budget. If they have that prior to March it would look a lot like an emergency budget and possibly panic people, and I think even then – and if they toss some blankets and beads in for the punterariat while giving the state to the uber set, they would want some time (I would think at least 3-6 months) for the bien etre to build up with the punters before going to the polls. The only way I could see them going early next year would be if Albo the Silent generates disaffection to the point of the ALP imploding and the Torynuffs see a moment of opportunity. That may happen I suppose but I would think that the powers that be would – one assumes and it is hard to make sense of ALP deliberation processes sometimes – be alert to the possibility that there an awfully large number of awfully indebted people who are awfully concerned about their ability to fund mortgage payments on an ongoing basis looking forward, and that it is the socio economic game they need to be playing. My personal take is that the ALP could easily win the next election by committing to reducing immigration unless there is an actual business case for it beyond house prices and large corporate rentier profits. If anyone in the ALP twigs to that then I reckon the Liberals could easily be toast.

            The ScoMo government for its part is – again in my thinking not that I expect everyone to agree – actually pinning a fair bit of hope on being able to juice house prices one more time. I know that is crazy but I do think that is what they are angling for. I think their thinking (not that I have any more idea of the thinking processes of the Federal Liberals than the ALP) is that if they can generate another boom (maybe 10-15%?) then they are thinking the punterariat will feel inclined to spend a touch more and a bit richer all round (though could I note here this is not my view, and I think that another jump in house prices would cheese an awful lot of people off, and should come with a warning about the risk of the financial sector going off like a vial of nitroglycerin moving from shade to strong sun). If they were trying for that it would be hard to see them going in Q1 next year too as they would want the punters to feel like voting for them, and a lot of those punters are worrying about their gigs.

            On the other hand, although I dont think we would look at a winter campaign it wouldnt surprise me if we went anytime forward of Spring next year. If there is no vaccine, and there is economic carnage this northern winter then the ‘Open Up!’ exhortation of our government could look pretty shallow, and another spate of lockdowns here in the lead into, or during next winter here could really attach electrodes to the nether regions of our political class as a whole (and really generate an exceptionally short fused electorate)

    • my thoughts exactly. Plus Scumo spent almost one week in Townsville campaigning and bribing and they won nothing there. lol

  2. Went out for dinner for the first time in 4 months in Melbourne tonight. It was nice, well done Melbourne!

      • Pickled mussels dressed in the funky-fresh crunch of a sambal matah busy with lemongrass and shallot set the scene for a big-flavoured parade, while skewers of beef tongue doused in soy caramel offer shade and light, the meat charry and sweet. Whole flounder lolling in piquant Manchurian butter with only artichokes for company is pearly fleshed perfection (order the “herb garden” side featuring pickles, leaves and cold bánh hỏi noodles for a DIY mash-up) and hold the course all the way through to dessert, when a durian parfait tempered with white chocolate and lemon sorbet becomes a gateway drug for the unfairly maligned fruit.


    I have thought that if Trump has truly increased his shares of the votes of black and Latino men, that even though the share might remain small, he would also demotivate a significant percentage of black and Latino men who support Biden from voting, because they will also be warmer to Trump to some extent. Failure to turn out minority men will be fatal to Biden’s campaign.

    Democrats should have provided some of that fawning admiration for black women to black men… if I’m noticing that there’s an inequality there, I’m sure they have.

    • Black women are higher up the intersectional pokemon pyramid points of oppression then black men – they are effectively the highest rac!al and gender subclass before you start entering the world of exotic theoretical intersections, like bi-racial black-asian, ftm transexual midget.

      • Doesn’t make sense to me. I’m sure black men cop more racism than black women do. The Democrats don’t admire them enough because they aren’t as committed voters for the Democrats as their female counterparts.

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        The only James Bond!
        All the others were imposters!
        Sniff,…I feel like crying now.

    • I know, I’m a bit gutted. I knew he was getting on. But for some reason still shocked. 1 of my favorite actors. I always think of him in The Rock and Indian Jones. I’m quite sad about it to be honest.

      • Same. I decided to watch Hunt for Red October a couple of nights ago for some reason, and looked him up after to see if he was still around – Was happy to see he was alive, then see today’s news! I’m usually pretty unaffected by the deaths of actors/celebrities etc, but genuinely saddened by Seans. Still, 90 is a good run!

  4. pfh007.comMEMBER

    Goodness, the private bank shills are getting quite antsy about the implications of CBDC.

    They can smell the end of days.

    Their days.

    “.. At the same time, a CBDC should by no means displace the private sector. One aspect – discussed at length elsewhere (e.g. Brunnermeier and Niepelt 2019, Fernández-Villaverde et al. 2020)3 – concerns balance sheet concerns. The economic design of a CBDC should not lead to a massive reallocation of funds away from commercial banks and to the central bank. ..”

    Sorry Stewie. Another vox link.

    • Rest assured, just as with the Coal industry, the Australian Govt will ensure it is among the last to embrace CBDC and risk the lucrative and hard built businesses of our globally competitive and world leading banking industry.

      Edit: Oh look – the article was thinking about the private sector “At the same time, a CBDC should by no means displace the private sector. One aspect – discussed at length elsewhere (e.g. Brunnermeier and Niepelt 2019, Fernández-Villaverde et al. 2020)3 The economic design of a CBDC should not lead to a massive reallocation of funds away from commercial banks and to the central bank.

      Vox – always thinking out for the banker.

      My fear of CBDC is the same as I have in regards to MMT – there is the theory, and there is what we will get after political considerations have been built into the eventual ‘solution’.

      • I’m a bit surprised more wasn’t made here of the Nats threatening to rip ANZ’s deposit guarantees away if they didn’t loan to big coal.

        • I didn’t even hear that threat – probably because the media and everyone but the Nat who said it, knows who really runs and regulates the Australian Banks – not the Govt, not the RBA, not APRA, but the Australian Bankers Association.

          Over the long term, they set the rules.

      • Digressing slightly in the discussion of CBDC and turning instead to the more mundane aspects of how they will function, I note that JPMorgan have just sold their own private blockchain, Quorum, to a ‘strategic partner’ i.e. a buckshop to take a hold of its failed project.

        “Quorum was a real attempt at making Ethereum technology stick in an industrial setting. But it’s being re-homed and I really don’t think there’s going to be a lot of progress down the line from ConsenSys. From my point of view, I think they’re mostly buying the brand and being able to just use the Quorum trademark and intellectual assets from that point of view for marketing.”

        Quorum is essentially a private copy of ETH, essentially like LiteCoin is a copy of BitCoin. The only difference was that Quroum was a private blockchain meaning that it didn’t have to go through the cost of mining. Part of the reason is the ETH technology just doesn’t scale – it is based around an account based settlement system as a opposed to a transaction based settlement. Simply put, this is the difference between ensuring every account you COULD transact with is valid versus the SINGLE transaction you are about to spend is valid (it is a little more complicated than this, but it will do).

        The other part of the reason why JPMorgan chose to offload its own private blockchain, despite having valid internal use cases, is that they could just not make it profitable. A private blockchain used internally offers no benefits over a regular Oracle database – nada. This was something I touched on the other day:

        Very few use cases exist for ANY single use blockchains to exist, and those that do exist will exist just as well, and cheaper, on a public blockchain.

        On the other hand while JPMorgan might be offloading its own private blockchain they are actually expanding their digital currency offerings and launching a “JPMorgan Coin”

        JPMorgan has launched a new business division dedicated to blockchain technology, called Onyx, after the bank’s own digital currency was adopted for commercial use this week, CNBC reported on Tuesday.

        It should be noted that Onxy is actually another private blockchain, although this is based on peer-to-peer transactions, as opposed to ETH’s account based solution, so it is unlikely to run into the same sort of scaling issues. But as a private single use blockchain that is essentially just an extension of JPMorgan’s own internal systems, it will either eventually need to be carved out to become an independent entity like SWIFT or it will run up against a wall in terms of other banks being prepared to use it – the information it would allow JPM to harvest would be immense.

        Anyhow, imho JPM’s blockchain is actually the less interesting thing compared to their “JP Morgan Coin”, because if the coin can be tokenised and exist on one blockchain, a private blockchain, then there is nothing stopping it being wrapped and transported atop of a public blockchain either – just as several existing stable coins are already running atop competing blockchain networks.

  5. Tonight I went down to Daniels Doughnuts in Springvale. At about 10pm. Lots of car guys and girls. Mostly young, dumb and full of err testosterone. Lots of engine revving and drag racing along Princess Hwy / Dandenong Road.

    I guess not much has changed in 20 years. Except me, I haven’t really been involved in that kind of car scene since I was a broke student with an old shtty Datsun.

    Anyway I was thinking if this is a recession it doesn’t look like it. Plenty of money in some of these cars, when I lived in Ireland in 2008 all that kind of activity died off. Nobody had any money for it.

    I noticed not many young people had masks, not keeping social distance either. Police showed up and quite a few cars / people left, but nobody was really ordered to move on.

    Apparently a regular occurrence all the way up to Sandown direction each Friday / Saturday night.

      • cuturhairMEMBER

        That donut joint appears pretty much on the peninsular, so wouldn’t be that convenient for people who are not near the peninsular!

        Love the jam n cream donuts from daniels, maybe it’s the scarcity factor for me as I rely on the occasional pop up store to get my fix.

    • Masks, social distancing & police arrests are mostly for media show…events’ if you will. Lots of folk everywhere got wise and stopped with the mask & distance non sense. If there is no govt sanctioned media camera to capture the ‘event’ then police not interested. It’s a show. The sons of Mary that regularly covid comment and shill for masks, distance, science, numbers, data & Dan on this forum know better. They’re just doing what is required of them. Playing their part cos ‘They’re all in this together’ Band of Brothers. Brotherhood. Fraternity. Community. Lodge.Chessbord. Boys in Blue. Red lodge. Blue lodge. Purple. Theatre. Cry sis act whores. Covid is deliberate economic destruction:)) Victoria testing ground for Euro roll out.
      OMG time to loosen tin foil hat:)) Happy Sunday.

  6. migtronixMEMBER

    “os médicos en las UCI: “Aún no es el infierno, pero sí el purgatorio”
    Una cuarta parte de las UCI españolas están ocupadas por pacientes con covid-19. EL PAÍS entra en dos unidades, en Madrid y Barcelona, que bordean el colapso”

    ICU doctors: its not hell yet but it might be purgatory.
    1/4 of ICU beds taken up by covid patients. El País goes to two centers, in Madrid and Barcelona, teetering on collapse.

    Its like they didn’t learn anything.

  7. migtronixMEMBER

    “Há doentes de 20 e 30 anos internados em cuidados intensivos e com formas graves da doença.

    A primeira vaga da pandemia mostrou-o, a segunda está a reforçar: o SARS-CoV-2 ataca pessoas de todas as idades, saudáveis ou com doenças. Os internamentos nos cuidados intensivos provam-no. Às unidades estão a chegar doentes a partir dos 20 anos. A maioria tem obesidade, diabetes e hipertensão”

    There are 20 to 30 year old presenting to ICU with grave complications from the disease.

    The first wave showed, and the second wave is cementing: SARS-CoV-2 attacks people of all ages, healthy or otherwise. Records of ICU presentations prove this. At the centers they are seeing patients in their 20s. The majority have obesity, diabetes or hypertension.

    • This northern hemisphere winter is already ugly and it hasn’t even started yet. People will end up being locked up for a loooong time. I have no idea how it will all work itself out but it is not going to be pretty.
      At least europe is doing something, the US is in this fake news fake data denial world. The virus will end up killing a huge huge number there, 500k over the next 6 months or something like that….

  8. A sheepskin on a lower bough.
    ”Do you catch anything— can you see something white in the trees there?” asked the skipper a little anxiously.
    It was on the Darling River, at a point about 180 miles from Bourke, by the river, or 60 miles by land — for the river runs about three to one.
    The nearest city of any real size was Broken Hill, and that was nearly 220 miles away, and Broken Hill itself, when you get there, is a town in a desert— a freak, a modem city surrounded by a basin as bare as the palm of your hand, and in its colour not unlike it to look at. That was the nearest big town.
    Stations not very far away, when the Darling runs too dry to float a steamer, send their wool to Broken Hill.
    So this was a pretty lonely sort of a spot.
    The Darling runs between high banks, as steep as the banks of a railway cutting, and in dry times with about as much grass on them. And, uninteresting?
    The river being low, the view of the scenery from a Darling steamer is much the same as that from a train in a railway cutting.
    Many people say that, therefore, the trip down the river by steamer is uninteresting.
    So it is if a man sleeps all the time. Because then, naturally, he is not aware of it when the ashen- grey river banks of modem alluvial soil rise suddenly, and grow red, and you realise that you are running now between river walls made of the ancient red soil that once made the hills and valleys of this continent.
    The grains of the red bank that swims past you there were probably — aeons and aeons before— -the cool red sand to which the olive light just filtered down through fathom on fathom of ocean.
    Creepy dark things crawled over them, and the deep sea-currents furrowed them.
    There’s not very much of the red soil left along the upper Darling.
    But still there it is, rising so clearly from the grey that you could probably put one foot on the modem soil and one on the old;
    Most of the river homesteads are built upon the red, because, of course, it is the land above flood-mark.
    What is lower than the floods has been covered with grey alluvium, which has been brought by water from the Queensland hills and which the water still transforms after rain into a sort of sticky black glue,which the lightest tyred wheels pick up until they actually clog against the side.
    The red soil is the relic of the old soil which is still underneath the black soil
    It is that same fertile red sand that covers the fences in the real Australia, and it grows all fruits well and wheat excellently.
    The Mildura fruit farms are built on it, and when the Darling comes to be dammed the irrigation settlements will probably be made on the patches of red soil
    If a man sleeps all day he misses the extraordinary hill which suddenly peeps down at him over the tree-tops at Gundabooka.
    Its flat top possibly marks the actual old surface of that sandy ocean bed, which has been worn away all round.
    He misses the curious ridges of rock — all of that same ancient Australia — which every ten miles or so crop suddenly out of the grey bank on one side, straggle obliquely like some old dragon across the water, and disappear into the grey banks the other side.
    Those rocks entirely bar the river when it is low.
    As it rises and they begin to be covered, they will still wreck a steamer. And yet when our steamer, the Jandra, was drawing 4 feet of water and there was only 6 feet in the tortuous channel through these rocks, and jagged boulders hidden a foot below the water on either side, we stood beside the skipper and watched him drive the steamer close under one bank and then shoot suddenly across to the other and back, following a channel of which not a trace could we see.
    But he knew it by certain ugly oily disturbances here and there in the smooth water.
    Once, when the river opened – for no apparent cause-, but really because of the current swirling round a hidden ridge, with an isolated monster called “Big Ben” somewhere under the surface — into a circular basin, the skipper stopped the ship dead, put a line ashore, and warped her slowly around the basin close under one bank, as carefully as a battleship is warped into dock.
    There was not a sign on the surface to show that you could not have thrashed the Dreadnought fair down mid- stream. But the skipper could read the signs of his navigation.
    Other skippers watch the clouds, or the season, or the sunset; this skipper knew by some mark to which the water had risen on some particular snag or rock miles back that there was not enough water for him over the ” Tanda ” rocks.

    But at the particular point with which this chapter opens the river did not look interesting.
    It was a railway cutting unrelieved by rocks or red soil, or even ducks or pelicans.
    Only grey bank on one side, grey bank on the other, tops of occasional trees looking over them, and a strip of sky and water between. But the skipper was searching for something.
    Now, the folk on ships sailing from Chili across the Pacific begin after many days to look anxiously for some sign very, very far away on the horizon ahead — a point or two on the bow, it may be.
    And there turns up at last, perhaps in the early morning, exactly where and when they are looking for it, an intermittent white flash like the very faintest far-off reflection of a lightning flash.
    That sign, they know, marks the port of Sydney ; and they make for it, and presently lift up a pin point, which is the South Head Light
    This skipper, too, was looking for something.
    “Do you catch anything in the trees there ? “he said. Then we too looked anxiously as tree-top after tree-top wandered past. We could see nothing to cause excitement.
    “Ah, there it is!” The skipper’s face had illuminated. We looked; what was there ?
    ” That sheep skin,” he said, ” on the lower bough.
    M’Clochertie said he’d put it there to show where we were to land his groceries.”
    So here was the sign of a port of call on the Darling.
    The river is, roughly, 2000 miles long. ” and looks much the same from end to end.
    And the captains have to look for—a sheepskin on a lower bough.
    That evening we passed another sign.
    We found over our starboard bow an ancient piece of board — the skipper said it had once been a notice board — nailed across two posts.
    Beside it was a tree. On the tree was a scar, very old and deep.
    It was the letter T. ‘That’s Toorale ‘ said the skipper.
    “ It’s eight miles back from that tree, on the Warrego”.
    There’s hundreds of thousands of pounds’ worth of wool been taken from just here.
    You can see the mark of it—there.” Down the bank ran a smooth, shallow groove worn in the dry, grey soil by the slipping of thousands of bales
    That solitary T is the only mark of a great Darling River port.
    In some years its trade must have been not far short of £30,000.
    There are sea-ports living on less than that.
    We did not stop at Toorale. Another ship regularly does the trade of that port.
    CWB On The Wool Track

    • ‘You see, this has got to be learned; there isn’t any getting around it. A clear starlight night throws such heavy shadows that if you didn’t know the shape of a shore perfectly you would claw away from every bunch of timber, because you would take the black shadow of it for a solid cape; and you see you would be getting scared to death every fifteen minutes by the watch. You would be fifty yards from shore all the time when you ought to be within fifty feet of it. You can’t see a snag in one of those shadows, but you know exactly where it is, and the shape of the river tells you when you are coming to it. Then there’s your pitch-dark night; the river is a very different shape on a pitch-dark night from what it is on a starlight night. All shores seem to be straight lines, then, and mighty dim ones, too; and you’d run them for straight lines only you know better. You boldly drive your boat right into what seems to be a solid, straight wall (you knowing very well that in reality there is a curve there), and that wall falls back and makes way for you. Then there’s your gray mist. You take a night when there’s one of these grisly, drizzly, gray mists, and then there isn’t any particular shape to a shore. A gray mist would tangle the head of the oldest man that ever lived. Well, then, different kinds of moonlight change the shape of the river in different ways. You see—’

      ‘Oh, don’t say any more, please! Have I got to learn the shape of the river according to all these five hundred thousand different ways? If I tried to carry all that cargo in my head it would make me stoop- shouldered.’

      ‘No! you only learn the shape of the river, and you learn it with such absolute certainty that you can always steer by the shape that’s in your head, and never mind the one that’s before your eyes.’
      Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi

    • Beautiful reading. Thanks We.
      Reminder of going down the Mekong in Lao, bit scary submerged rocks much faster swirling and some decent drops. Ah, backpacking

  9. Gents, I was woken up early by a mate in Berlin.

    As I’ve said a few times the Europeans at least have been watching what Dan Andrews has done in Melbourne with interest as a forerunner of what they can expect as they head into winter. Things are now looking as though they will quickly get out of hand there.

    I have related to those in Europe I know that the only reason the virus got out here was because the government went cheap on contact tracing and quarantine security – and that the response here has included riot police rocking at to handle a batch of kids protesting near Vic Market (maybe a dozen people) and the cuffing of a pregnant woman in her pyjamas for a Facebook post – and that consequently there are suggestions the point end of fascism could be upon us.

    An observation made – (we got onto a 3 way hook up with another mate just outside Dublin) with Ireland having a very serious lockdown having seen what happened in Melbourne too – is that parts of Europe (the Irish are even looking at home delivery groceries apparently) is that come the other side of this winter, Andrews and the Melbourne experience, could come to be seen as an epic piece of near genius and the ‘gold standard’ outcome other nations are looking to get.

    I know that thought wont be popular with some people here, but given what is happening in the US and the responses already being rolled out in Europe ahead of their winter, I am wondering if it leads to Andrews having a public identity akin to Nelson Mandela come next March, and possibly being in a position to ridicule ScoMo and the Commonwealth for their absolute fraud in the management of the virus – and by that stage you would be in the lead up to the next federal election too.

    It would also lend itself to the public increasingly listening to Andrews warnings about distancing and masks, in the face of ScoMo’s ‘open up soon’ style message.

    • Not just him but the people of Victoria need to be thanked for their sacrafice for the nation
      Unfortunately for Europe they have let this go to far and I suspect will go in and out of lockdown until winter is over in effect to save the medical system from collapse
      Subsequently(although it was going to happen anyway)the world is going into a depression and expect asset classes to respond accordingly
      Next year is going to be horrible for the entire world

      • the people of Victoria need to be thanked for their sacrafice for the nation
        Ha ha. Pull the other one
        it was the ill discipline of you victorians which casued all your problems and which still results in you all being locked out of QLD.

          • It was cold here for a while yseterday, the cold air from that hail storm which flattened the joint around Skippy’s house
            chilled things down.
            But its all go this am, Waiting to go the TAB to collect the election winnings
            have pumped up the tyre on the wheel barrow.

      • @matthew
        Could we have a show of hands from the sons of Mary commenting? Or perhaps a sign: a triangle, 3,33, 777, 21?
        On other hand no need for sledge hammer as commentary is suitably trans parent:))

      • Yep, don’t go and binge watch all those TV shows – keep some up your sleeve for next time. Definitely go and enjoy the outdoors though.

    • Ronin8317MEMBER

      The most significant lesson from Victoria should be partial lockdown doesn’t work : it’s all or nothing. By skipping Stage 3 Melbourne would have finished their lockdown a lot earlier.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        It’s all part of the arrogance of our pollies thinking they can ‘manage’ every situation. History shows they only ‘manage’ things through corrupt behaviour. WuFlu is above corruption, it just does what it does. When faced with total honesty our pollies are useless and ‘managing’ is useless. Shutting the system down is the only way to fight this thing. Here in Straya that means shutting international borders.

        There’s no corruption in that so not gonna happen. We’ll ‘manage’ ourselves into lockdown after lockdown.

      • My understanding is that is a key takeaway. Even the Swedes are looking at regionalised local lockdows

        • You talk to too many government types. They’re scared, just like Andrews, when people realise the austery of the 2010s was responsible for the health system failure, they’ll get lynched.

          To avert that they are desperate to avert a health system collapse hence the one tool in the shed.

          • I dont in principle disagree with that.

            But both the people I spoke with overnight were journalists. And they are people I know are square. The paddies are genuinely concerned, and I understand the Merkel crowd in Germany is too.

            Europe certainly overdid Austerity, the Davos set were the main beneficiaries of that, and they are terrified of the possibility of an outbreak destroying social cohesion over there – and an outbreak of heads on sticks mindset. And they likely have only one tool in the shed…..

          • If the reproduction number is 2 you could have the greatest health system in the world and it will still be overwhelmed.

          • Yeah Gunna when the average income goes up because of welfare that’s a sure sign austery went too far!

    • Europeans can decide how much they like Andrews once they’ve experienced their own four month lockdowns, as they likely will.

      Even then, they won’t get the full experience without throwing the dice over whether their state becomes a depressed rust belt compared with the rest of the country.

      • It may be a bit late (because I dont think tourism will be coming back as it was any time soon) but perhaps you should visit Europe sometime.

        ‘a depressed rust belt’ sums most of it up nicely, most of the rest runs off tourism.

    • “Andrews and the Melbourne experience, could come to be seen as an epic piece of near genius and the ‘gold standard’ outcome other nations are looking to get”

      Spot on. When the Murdoch hypnosis eventually wears off the suggestive types (like it did about a week after ScoMo won the election) I have no doubt that people will come to see Andrew’s leadership as one of the great success stories in Australian history. Andrews and Brett Sutton showed real leadership.
      Even more so when you consider the way they dealt with a rabid journalism day in day out.
      The way Andrews dealt with journalism should be the template for all Labor leaders going forward.

      “you’ve all got a job to do. But let me tell you something my job doesn’t involve and never will involve. Having patently incorrect statements made to me, where I simply cop it and move on to the next question. I’m not doing that. The stakes are too high”

      Exactly. You cannot simply respond to questions. Because they are not questions. They are blatantly partisan LNP polemics posing as questions.
      Don’t answer them. Deconstruct them. Word by Word. And focus on the policy task.
      People should be encouraged by the period, that it shows that despite 40 years of undermining, downsizing, privatizing, ideological bashing of government, of federation, that in a crisis our system of government still works.
      And if we could now free ourselves of Murdoch the country could return to pre-Keating greatness.

  10. “the world is going into a depression and expect asset classes to respond accordingly”, but what will that reponse be? Dow to 50,000?
    The Powers that Be have expended so much of everything, trying to keep The System afloat, that admitting they got it wrong it going to be the last thing they’ll do.
    “Since 2008 the US economy has grown , IN TOTAL, by $2.92 trillion. It required $36.9 trillion of interventions to achieve that , or $12.67 for every $1 of growth” (via John Mauldin)

    • The world is indeed going into a depression but any thoughts of deflation are misguided.

      The modern day soup kitchens are printing presses.

    • It is interesting that for the Asset class the logical response is to ensure that the working class has insufficient means to purchase assets.
      High existing assets prices ☑
      Low wage inflation ☑
      Low interest on savings ☑
      Low prices for new assets ☑

      Hmmm I think I’m beginning to see a trend
      Of course one could just dust of a copy of Das Capital and have it all explained by the master

  11. Congratulations Anna…probably 50 seats and we get shelter from Mr Morrison and his attempts to re-introduce virus into Australia.

    The apparent conflict between retail sales, stimulus and large rises in bank deposits resolves if you see that the stimulus is being spent into the economy but not respent as it normally would as those who receive the proceeds of the first sales squirrel it away for a rainy Covid day. This is MV at work here as well as the US.

    • Proof that monetarism is a total crock?

      For the uninitiated, if you create more money and pump it into the economy it will magically lead to much greater levels of economic activity …

      Oops, guess that didn’t work after all. Perhaps it’s a confidence thing.

    • Cashed-up Australians squirrel away $100 bill in their bank accounts since the start of March as they remain fearful the pandemic will weigh on their finances well into the future.
      Data from the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority on Friday showed another surge in household savings, up $16.5 billion through September.
      The increase was likely due to JobKeeper payments and tax refunds flowing into accounts
      Add mortgage repayment deferrals and the withdrawal of $34.5 billion from super.
      Since the start of the pandemic in February, $100 billion has been put away by households waiting for a change in the economy.
      The CBA, now has $295.1 billion in deposits from households, a near $31 billion increase on February.
      (last year was a 3 bill decrease)
      I say that squirrelling shows a total lack of confidence in the fed govt, especially morrison.

      • PalimpsestMEMBER

        Certainly a lack of confidence generally @WW. The other factor is that the situation outside Asia Pacific looks one of grim foreboding. The problem is that this is not a mere economic crisis. It’s one caused by a pandemic. Even the ‘let ‘er rip’ states can’t save the economy if most people are afraid to go out, and we can now see the results of that experimental approach. Huge spread, downturn like it or not. This is the very situation where “trickle down” doesn’t. Where injections at the top are held in reserve. What company will take any sort of risk in the current climate? None that I’m associated with anyway.

        • Dont let the Vblur your vision
          this economic crisis was well under way before the V happened along
          the V was then used as a scape goat for the remediation required to keep the joint going
          but it wont be enough. the punters are spooked,
          that they may have to actually go to work

      • Locus of ControlMEMBER

        I typically spend between $5k and $10k on travel in any given year. Still employed, but now I can’t travel so much, so that’s where the extra savings hitting my bank account are coming from.

    • Hey BlokeMEMBER

      Interesting. Don’t recall seeing the velocity of money mentioned in Aus, would be interesting to see here and how it’s calculated.

      • Refer to the long-run neutrality of money – Less income, less work, less income, more work! – corn rule aka imagine a farm … chortle …

      • Lemme assist.
        Between February and September last year, the bank’s household deposits actually fell by $2.8 billion.
        The Reserve Bank reported a small lift in credit for owner-occupier housing last month but business credit fell by 0.3%, the fifth consecutive monthly fall.
        Credit for personal finance is now down by 12.5% over the past year.
        The amount of currency circulating in the broader economy had jumped by 18.5 per cent over the past 12 months, the fastest growth in 45 years.
        “The key implication here is that if employment continues to rebound as government support is tapered, the household sector has a fair degree of liquidity that could then underpin consumption even as that support is tapered,” he said.
        But a special survey by the NAB of Australians’ attitudes towards the coronavirus recession suggests ongoing concern that could limit the recovery.
        In the September quarter, 59 per cent of those surveyed rated the coronavirus’ impact on the economy as their key concern, up from 57 per in the June quarter.
        It remains the number one concern, ahead of restrictions on travel and movement which lifted in September to 35 per cent.
        It also found that once the pandemic is over, 31 per cent of those questioned are most looking forward to seeing family members.
        A similar 31% number plan an overseas holiday
        while 27 per cent want a domestic holiday.
        A quarter said hugging friends and family was on their agenda while 5 per cent said a trip to the hairdresser was their top priority.

        The 100 note Tricky way to boost fiat
        the RBA found a “paradoxical” rise in the demand for cash during the pandemic, despite many Australians opting to use cashless payment methods.
        So,,,,, they ramped up the amount of cash in circulation from $83 billion to $94 billion.
        Just 12% or so

        • PalimpsestMEMBER

          31% plan an overseas holiday? 31% ! Just where do they think they are going? NZ perhaps, it is lovely in Autumn, especially the South Island. Elsewhere in Asia Pacific, the options will not open up for at least 12 months, and Europe, Middle East, Russia, anywhere in the Americas – way too high risk for 12 months.I must note that some of the vaccine trials seem to be developing well, but there will be some inertia around them.

          There’s also the opportunity cost of overseas travel. It represents funds that could instead be kept in a cash account. Ready for those juicy property bargains that always seem just around the corner. Once the herd immunity is established due to a vaccine, what stops the expectation that people will return to the office, raising living costs again.No one in my lifetime has seen a ‘real’ depression.At least this sets a baseline. It’ll be interesting to see how plans change.

          • After the experience of the last 2 days with my 5yo and 2yo kids in Yamba – across the Rd from the beach do you think I could get 15 mins for a surf there’s no way I’m even considering going overseas until their more grateful ! (Old man muttering at sky)

            In other news though having a second night of Italian on the Hill gnocchi omg spectacular

    • Congratulations Anna

      Dogeared cardboard cutout beats damp, mouldy cardboard cutout …………. the state of the nation ………….

  12. Ref: Blommie MMT link.

    MMT has always maintained that only developed sovereign issuers are applicable and not 2nd – 3rd world nations. Further more that the recent MMT text was only basic and FX becomes quite advanced due to complexities and digital effects. Seems Blommie is attempting to frame the topic but never does its home work for some reason.

    That was pre covid so there’s that to factor in but agree with Taleb.

  13. Gunna, another excellent bush artwork to start a Sunday.

    I have been rereading books on the early white history of Gippsland. Some terrible massacres by an explorer and others who are now paying their only penalty by being deleted from public history. The commitment and foresight of other families (including my own forebears) who came from all over Australia to tackle the big South Gippsland bush is always sobering. Particularly the impact on the women and children who had little choice but to follow.

    • Cheers Dude, i figured it had been a few weeks since a classic piece of Australiana and that one leapt out of the AGNSW page at me. The thing that struck me about the pic (knowing the level of the rover at Echuca well enough) was that if the artist depicted the level that high it must have been an epic flood season.

      The thing to think about with Gippsland is that it was effectively cut off from Melbourne early in the piece. Most of my ancestors were within 150 klm of the straight line between Mt Gambier and Geelong, but some went North (Deniliquin Swan Hill) and some went East timber cutting.

  14. TRUMP. The first president to reduce carbon emissions. Down 8 percent this year. Thus man will go down as one of the greatest.

    • Apparently they caught ‘the person’ … no mention of other identifying details, nothing to see there!

  15. What a great result for Queensland and Australia. Maybe the penny is finally dropping.

    Hanson wanting to open the qld border brought her undone. She better get back to her bread and butter of looking after the plebs before she’s wiped out at the federal election too.

    Federally, Labor and ON are ripe for the taking by a new party that actually cares about Australia and Australians.

    • Shirley you mean fish and chips… and no, she can’t, her Ipswich store’s now taken over by some Vietnamese mob…

    • What degree have you got? Kinda funny after so specifically assuming so much about others qualifications that you just drop a casual “I’ve got a degree” and don’t mention what it is lol.

      I gave you my counter argument at least 4 times totes but you just stuck your fingers in yours and kept saying “labours fault, labours fault, labours fault”, stop trying to act like you add volumes of considered thought to the debates here, you just blame labor and “woke” for everything and offer very token ways for the country to move forward.

      Meet that influential Australian, make your video, do something, don’t just pretend.

      • No you haven’t given a counter argument. You think voting Labor is going to fix a problem that Labor’s a big part of? That’s your solution?

        I understand the problem, and I’ve got a solution to the problem.

        You don’t seem to even understand the problem.

        My degree is science. I’ve mentioned it a couple of times. Normally when someone like smith tells me i don’t understand what I’m talking about regarding carbon, environment, population etc.

        I’m about as good as people get at solving problems (having been tested numerous times for employment etc) and there’s only one way out of this mess. Wreck the Labor party.

        You are part of the problem, and instead of considering your position, you petulantly hurl abuse. If you offer some angle I’ve not even thought of, of course I’d consider it, but you don’t seem to have one.

        Step back, have another look, subscribe and comment.

          • Science will trump everything. For example covid, population, environment and climate change.

          • You don’t seem to understand the application is a form of Scientism and your belief is not an argument.

            You might be assisted by the works of Philip Mirowski Philosophy of Science PhD and the multivariate multidisciplinary field that economics is. Your statement is actually a neoliberal perspective IMO.

          • Mr SquiggleMEMBER

            Science appears to be losing on climate change, population, environment. It’s also flat-footed on COVID. Science works best when it has 20/20 hindsight

          • @Mr Squiggle

            The application of Science is a human tool user problem, so I don’t agree with your rather lazy broad brush of a Royal methodology that seeks knowledge about the physical world.

            Suggest the same for you, just a quick wiki search on Philip M. where all arguments/perspectives are supported and attributed. The bastardization of above with transference of physics and maths metaphors due to concepts about energy is noted in the wiki page.

        • Totes, you may be some tested bona fide genius, but it’s hard to see with your application of logic displayed in your Landline/Gardening Australia is “woke” argument. That was ridiculous.
          So let’s rehash your grand plan to fix Australia – trash ALP. I could’ve sworn originally your only proposed way to do this was vote independent. Myself and others repeatedly pointed out how this will fail. Pretty sure then you added in the new political party angle. Myself and others have repeatedly pointed out how difficult this is and how it will most likely fail. Perfect example is Bullchit Australia, you want to defund ABC, that proposed party does not, the simplest things will prevent your grand plan from working because you are infelxible and party politics requires you to bend (one of the main reasons I left the ALP).

          What I love is how you and mig seem to think because I drive a forklift I’m a numpty and somehow inferior to you, a jobs a job, I don’t call you a fool because of your job, I call you a fool because you post foolish things.

          • …”application of logic displayed in your Landline/Gardening Australia is “woke” argument”…

            You know that’s not what happened. I said ABC were woke, someone said (maybe you), no they’re not. I said name one show that’s not. They said landline etc. I said “woke”. Stop picking straws. It’s tiresome.

            …”your only proposed way to do this was vote independent”…

            I have consistently said replace with Independents and other parties.

            …”Myself and others repeatedly pointed out how this will fail”…

            Don’t bring other people into it. For all I know they could all be you using different FREE ACCOUNTS. You should subscribe. What’s this apparent reason you won’t?

            …”Perfect example is Bullchit Australia, you want to defund ABC, that proposed party does not”….

            That’s because that proposed party is not a solution and I said weeks ago, far too woke, far too loyal to Labor. Australia is crying out, absolutely desperate, for a new party that looks something like Labor were 30 years ago. It could have been ON but they’re not smart enough too crazy, not actually committed to the plebs. It’s more than possible one will emerge.

            …..”What I love is how you and mig seem to think because I drive a forklift I’m a numpty and somehow inferior to you”…

            I would never have taken it there. You pushed me to defend my success and intellect. You said you aren’t adverse to punching? Sometimes you’re going to be punched back. You invited it.

            …”I call you a fool because you post foolish things”…

            Your interpretation is poor. You don’t understand what I’m saying, because you don’t understand the problem, so you jump on ….”landline woke? gotta be joking”….

          • Goldfish memory totes:

            You were ranting about insiders, I asked why you watched it if you hate it, you spewed some crap about know your enemy, more ranting, defund abc etc, you asked me to name any ABC show that was worthwhile (no mention of woke at all)*, I listed landline, Gardening Australia and media watch. Then you went on about them being woke, we back and forthed until I got you to define what you think woke is and how that made those shows woke. Your definition and explanation was woeful, it made you look like an idiot and now here we are a week later and you’re doing it again.

            Go get another test that proves you’re a genius.

            *Edit, correction, you did say every single program was filled with wokeness and deception and then I responded with Landline, Gardening Australia and Media Watch. My point still stands, they are not woke or deceptive, your explanation was woeful

          • @winning

            I think I’m done with you.

            Do we people who pay and subscribe have to put up with countless free anonymous accounts?

      • Meet that influential Australian, make your video, do something, don’t just pretend.

        He’s been posting the same story here for ten years over at least four different accounts. It hasn’t gotten any more credible.

        • I don’t understand how people can put in that much effort to online grandstanding and faking. The mind baffles. Anyway, I’ve wasted enough time on here this weekend off to the garden.

        • No that’s not true. I contacted him about a year ago i think.

          My accounts are no secret. They were all rich4, 42, and totes.

          My attack on Labor is way newer than my time on MB.

    • Doesn’t the Queensland result to go against your wreck Labor rhetoric?

      Quite impressive that a third term Labor state government was re-elected with an increased majority, and even more amazing given they were reduced to a rump of 7 members back in 2012.

      The failure of PHON (-6.8%) is notable, although KAP and the Greens have managed to keep their respective strongholds.

      It also seems like people have woken up to Clive’s BS with the UAP failing to make a dent – 0.6%, 8th in the primary count and beaten by both a legalise cannabis and anti-vaxx parties.

    • Hanson was exposed as the fake she always has been. Hanson is there to distract and divert dissafection thereby rendering it impotent. Hanson is a creature of Murdoch and Kerry Stokes. She followed their line in opposing border restrictions exposing herself as a FAKE.

      • Yep. She is fake, and promised too little for too long. Like Labor, she has to go to make room for genuine parties in the interests of Australians.

      • I don’t think that pauline hanson is fake, it’s that she’s severely lacking in intelligence and nothing seems capable of enlightening her to this issue.

  16. [email protected] slowly getting it. That’s now [email protected], Kohler, Greenwood and the Pascometer.

    ‘We won’t be back to where we were before the virus flew in — and, I would argue, we should not try to go back to there anyway.

    That old — now, gone — economy was built on an immigration-driven population-property Ponzi. Bring in hundreds of thousands of migrants every year and build more and more high-rises in Melbourne and Sydney; and then the infrastructure that a bigger population demanded.

    We got bigger and bigger. We did not get richer and richer in real terms. We certainly did not get better and better. It was the very opposite of a smart economy — just quantity over quality.

    We have to find a totally different economy — one built on real value-adding, smart, 21st century thinking and technology.’

      • Whatever it takes, sensible Australians should embrace. I might even subscribe to news corp.

        It’s pretty obvious Labor can’t be part of a healthy future for our kids, and news hates Labor. I embrace it. It’ll lead to good outcomes.

        As long as rejecting Labor doesn’t result in a stronger LNP, there’s no downside. Wiping Labor out is the start of fixing our country.

          • I don’t know why. All I know is they don’t like Labor and now they oppose big Australia.

            What’s not to like about that?

        • As long as rejecting Labor doesn’t result in a stronger LNP, there’s no downside. Wiping Labor out is the start of fixing our country.

          And since 1996 Labor has had its hand on the helm of this nation from 2007-2013….

          So all of your spurious vim – which is about every post as far as I can make out – is about strengthening the LNP.

          • So your solution is to start a party the same as Labor?

            “And since 1996 Labor has had its hand on the helm of this nation from 2007-20”

            FFS. You say I relentlessly say the same thing and you STILL don’t get it?

            No one wants to vote for Labor. That’s why they’ve only been in power that seldom. Yet offer no resistance to the worst of what LNP do to us.

            Let me find the article from Kelvin Thompson from the other day that says it far better than I could.

          • So your solution is to start a party the same as Labor?


            “And since 1996 Labor has had its hand on the helm of this nation from 2007-20”

            That isnt what I wrote now is it? but that is another huh though

            and as for the rest, that is another huh too.

            You sir, are a ScoMo and Josh loving, Liberal-National supporting, pro corruption, pro bigotry shill.

          • Seriously? I cut a quote of yours short. It didn’t change what you or I were saying did it?

            I’m the most opposed-to-immigration person you’ll ever meet, and I’m an LNP shill?

            You are upset i criticised your BS party. It deserves criticism. It’s just more of the same stuff making Labor unelectable.

            Can you tell me if you have read the article by Bob birrel?

          • What I wrote…..

            And since 1996 Labor has had its hand on the helm of this nation from 2007-2013….

            What you changed that to

            And since 1996 Labor has had its hand on the helm of this nation from 2007-2020….

            and now you come out with….

            Seriously? I cut a quote of yours short. It didn’t change what you or I were saying did it?

          • Did it change the meaning in yours or my context? Especially given i said “seldom”.

            It’s a fact of recent history we all know backwards. Seriously does every single little thing i say have to be pulled apart by one or another Labor die hard?

            Are you Captain Semantics?

            If you want to be pedantic, I didn’t actually change it to that. 8 accidentally cut it short on my phone. So you are literally accusing me of misquoting you….then you misquote me. Laughable.

            Why bother starting a new party when you love Labor so much?

            Did you read the birrel article and do you agree with it?

          • Well frauds do attract examination

            are You, sir, Captain Tory Lover?

            C’mon declare your love….

          • I don’t like LNP and you know it.

            I’m an ex Labor voter. Life time union member. Pro worker. Pro environment. Anti immigration.

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        Paascometer at least is now The New Daily and voicing what he really thinks, as distinct from Rupert/Nine LNP group think?

    • Yes, it’s just a simple matter of convincing Australians to work hard and use their branes.

  17. Peter Fitzsimons takes on the Koala Killer

    I am sorry, Premier Berejiklian, but you cannot have it both ways.

    You cannot, on the one hand, want the electorate to feel good about your environmental policies because you gift just over half a hectare of public land to a koala hospital in Port Macquarie, when in this same week it emerges that 20 hectares of key koala habitat at Appin, and 52 hectares at Port Stephens is now due to be destroyed, the latter after the sign-off was given by the federal “Minister for the Environment” – and the shape of both those quotation marks, by no coincidence, are my curled lips – Sussan Ley.

    We all know, and even Minister Ley has acknowledged, koalas face the threat of extinction. And yet look at where your government stands on it!

    The agreement has been labelled as a win for koalas and farmers alike.

    As I noted in a piece on Tuesday, you have a Deputy Premier who calls koalas “tree rats”. Your government so weakened the native vegetation laws in 2017 that it has seen land clearing up by 60 per cent and, once again, concerns for the environment have been buried in favour of allowing the developers and miners to wipe out these key habitats. And you think a photo-op as you hand over half a hectare counters that? It does not. It is a disgrace.

    The next battle for koalas comes down Wilton way, which has been declared a new growth area for housing. There is a push to take over a koala habitat that has a colony 500 strong by a property development business called Wilton Greens, a company owned by Country Garden. They, as you might recall, were recently in the news because one Daryl Maguire was heard pushing their claims in wire-taps, played by ICAC. For yes, it was none other than Maguire who boasted Country Garden were “mega big with mega money”, and he was certainly one who had the ear of then planning minister Anthony Roberts.

    We get the picture. Developers. Politics. Power plays. Denials. Photo-ops. Spin. ICAC. And through it all, koala habitat after koala habitat keeps getting knocked over. Stop it, Premier, as only you can. The situation for koalas has never been more dire, and feel good photo-ops are no more than a cherry atop a turd sandwich.

          • Rorke's DriftMEMBER

            Dennis the Hunter and Joe Biden corruption is established by as much credible public evidence as you would ever expect to see, subject only to a court finding which I hope will come in due course. The cover up by US media, tech giants and media in Australia is exposing how much real propaganda we are normally exposed to. Im really surprised people cant see through the media lies and spin. Do you really think it is a conspiracy? Important question as I really worry about the level of brainwashing of my fellow citizens.

    • Scotty is pooing his pants
      5% plus swing to labor, and many say it was the pecking order, wherein AP told SM to piss off
      over the border issue.
      PS Corman is about to leave the building

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        Doubt SFM is pooing his pants – being the happy clappy, he will counter attack and slam Qld in some way.
        Ah, the IQ in the building which is admittedly very low, but offset by moral bankruptcy on steroids, has just gone up marginally?

        • there are class actions pending over this virus
          and SM is squarely in the crosshairs
          he is gone for all money.

        • Mining BoganMEMBER

          Scummo will try to replace that freckles woman with the footy ref bloke. Rumour is he’s another happy clapper.

          • I specifically went up to Nanango to check the vibe, before loading a few more gorrilas at the TAB
            Nanango is struggling, but the town is surrounded by caravan parks and show grounds full of caravans and motor homes of those avoiding the V, and anti the fed govt. very anti SM
            Gunna be interesting to see what occurs?

          • Mining BoganMEMBER

            My Mum and all her mates loved Scummo. Wouldn’t entertain the thought that he was another Trump or Boris. Loved. Not now. First it was the old Victorians sneaking over the border down near Thallon that got them het up but when Scummo started pushing for opening the border the anger quickly turned to him. They’re enjoying being around all the pretty little hamlets with no virus worries, only complaining about how hard it is to get accommodation.

            Only thing I can’t work out is the areas they live in had a slight swing towards the LNP. Probably ONP vote collapsing 10%.

      • and just imagine how the punterariat will feel next February/March when the budget fail starts to become apparent, and the solvency laws are due to return to business as usual.

        My money is on a February crisis budget, featuring enough goodies to fend off economic carnage for a year – and an early-ish election called the moment ScoMo thinks he can swing it.

        • happy valleyMEMBER

          +1 But return of solvency laws will probably be can-kicked down the road until after the next election and then SFM, with likely control of both houses because of the empty chair opposition, will then let it rip on multiple fronts – WorkChoices 2.0, small business insolvencies, warm overseas bodies to the moon, totally irresponsible lending, ScoVID Commission paydays unleashed etc etc etc.

        • I reckon Scorrtium may find the idea of losing the next election a good idea.
          On the really big issues (i. e. world wars, depressions plagues , and Climate catastrophe’s ) the toffs usually piss off and hand the shit sandwich to the prols, then shriek ” It’s all their fault !!!!!! ” for years after.

      • I reckon this was a real Federal / State stoush. Scotty and his open boarders, open economy hang the consequences vs. Plucka’s closed boarders, keeping Queenslanders safe message. The QLD LNP message largely followed the ACT Liberal pitch; plenty of promises peppered with get tough on crime but little in the way of how they’re actually going to pay for their promises.This made them redundant and unelectable.

  18. The image shows a bucket full of blue berries
    The CM headline tells us: Fruits of labor
    UP to $12m left to rot: Berry sad, In a heart breaking loss, millions of dollars worth of Qld Produce is being left to rot due to a shortage of people interested in a potentially high paying job
    WW, so what is misleading about that CM statement?
    Dont all respond at once.

  19. Trump 1820: Sleepy Joe wants to take away your mule. It’s true. He wants these “locomotives” all over place, have you seen these? Horrible. They kill all the gophers! But you know that, you know that.
    You won’t be able to ride your mule whenever the hell you want it! Your so lucky with me as your president.

    Trump 1920: Sleepy Joe wants to take away your whale oil! It’s true, it’s true. He wants to put electricity all over the place. Have you seen these? Wires everywhere, they kill all the giraffes! But you know that, you know that.
    You won’t be able to burn whale oil whenever the hell you want it! Your so luck with me as your president.

    Trump 2020: muh fracking

    • Didnt Clint E have something to say about making fun of his mule
      those mule jokes can be terminal
      Someone will know the link?

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      It’s great for deep frying that Whale oil but I’ve found it harder to get from my Eastwood Chinese groceries supplier since the Wuhan bat sniffles fked up all the international supply chains.
      Anyone know where I can score some?
      Me 20l drum is almost empty!

      • They buried a load down at Port Macquarie on the West Coast of Tassie about a fortnight ago. Just dig one up, cut off a few pounds of skin, and slap it in the microwave with a drip tray underneath

    • Except both electricity and railway locomotives were private sector innovations, regardless of whether the govt. later adopted the technology for wider scale adoption as public services. I don’t see how it follows that your strawman 1820 and 1920 Trump would be opposed.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        Are you for real??? Lincoln funded the transcontinental railway and there’s a reason we call electricity a public utility.

        • Are you for real?
          So what if Lincoln built, rather signed the bill to construct the transcontinental railroad. Many private railroads existed before that, Lincoln saw the political merits of bridging east and west.
          No issue with that.
          Same with the first commercial electricity generation, took an entrepreneur to see there was this novel concept of a CUSTOMER who would willingly pay for electric light rather than gas which was the standard technology at the time. The fact that politicans thought it was something that should be delivered as a public utility later, again no issue with why they took that decision, but lets not pretend it came from some magical big government.
          Besides it couldn’t have, around the time of the transcontinental RR in the 1860s the US Federal government barely employed 6000 people! Now look at it, they had to hire nearly 20 times as many just to administer the income tax.

  20. Mining BoganMEMBER

    Yesterday arvo was down the local athletics track. Quite a civilised affair, fast runners on the inside few lanes, plodders on the outside of them then walkers and recovery on the outside couple of lanes. Everything works well because everyone knows the etiquette.

    Except for the two death starers. These two old ladies insisted on walking the inside lane in the opposite direction everyone else was going in. Kept muttering to themselves when someone flew past too close to them. Extreme death staring in every direction. Two nice young girls tried to explain but yeah nah.

    Do running tracks go the opposite way on the sub-continent? It’s the only explanation.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Quite possibly. See, initially they walked anti-clockwise with everyone else. I thought they looked uncomfortable because of the amount of crackers. Only lasted a couple of laps before they went reverse.

        Maybe they believe in widdershins. Who knows.

      • I don’t think so. The slower the object is moving the lower is the C effect, and since they’re walking it should be at it’s lowest level. Anyway, imo, if you were watching closely you’d have seen the fastest runners started in the outside lane (going ACW) and as they increased their speed they ended up in the inside lane due to increased C. And you’d have known those ladies were always walking CW and because of their slow walk pace the effect of C (remember, C effect is to the L in the SH) would be to turn them to a ACW direct, but because of their slow pace this resulted in a 2km radius turn, taking them outside the stadium onto the HWY where they were flattened by a semi.

        You need to be more observant, MB!

    • Was at the early poling station on Friday, when a ute, covered wit aerials, cat stickers and adds for the Conargo Pub
      did a bit of circle work in the generally opposite direction of the viewer and knocked over 10’s of election advertising posters by mainly BIG Clive’s wife.
      What really surprised me, was, within minutes, highly excited volunteers had those signs up again, this time in front of trees.

      • Ahhhhh Queensland, beautiful one day……..

        Speaking of which, have you got the draft Monday morning GC report ready to go?

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      I think Known Idea’s Coriolis force reference is incorrect in describing the negative experienced you describe Mr Bogan.
      I think the Schrödinger effect is a more accurate way of measuring the reality of the death stare you observed yourself receiving.
      You see said women’s mentality was at first more of a cloud or wave rather than a specifically observable death stare. It was only when you chose to observe or measure the subject of your path blocking annoyance did you become entangled with the Quantum state of said $ub continenta!s. It was only then that said death stare became an observable, measurable reality.

      Just don’t look at them next time and that death stare won’t even come into existence.

      That’s my take of the first 30 mins listening to this on the exercise bike up at me Gym this morning anyway.

    • And that’s the benefit of a pool! Life guards can enforce community norms that keep everyone safe 😉

    • It seem as a rule, we import single horny Indian blokes and sour faced Indian great grandmothers.

      If we want to talk about diversity, maybe start there.

    • The Traveling Wilbur

      I have certain reservations about the veracity of this anecdote:

      A) Where was Jack during all this?
      B) Exercising-shuffling in full sunshine???!
      C) No mention of active-wear styles?
      D) More than one lap?!!!
      E) *You* went to a what-now track today? 😜


      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        A) Jack is now old, fat and crippled. He gets walked by Lovey. Has his own stroller that he loves getting pushed along in. Still barks at big dogs from it.
        B) Late afternoon, very overcast with a cool breeze and some light drizzle. Perfect v!brant weather.
        C) The purple and lime activewear is for tri training only. A man has to have standards.
        D) They got along at a surprisingly fast clip actually, in their wonky rolly-polly style. They weren’t amateur death starers.
        E) That’s the name on the track, but it doesn’t mean it’s compulsory.

  21. Don Quixote is always a hilarious read. This though I’m seeing Trump as the tilter of windmills and his supporters are Sancho 😳

  22. Why we should suspect China’s secret police are at work on our streets – NInefax

    Australia’s anti-China witch hunt isn’t just harmful, it turns people against each other as governments escape scrutiny – SCMP

    • Of course they are, but the interesting thing is I think you can pick em in certain locations as they look so out of place.

    • In a country of 1.3bn people, I struggle to believe China has had only 100,000 cases. ‘Officially’, maybe ..

      • Well cases are not infections. There will have been many who we’re infected at home and just rode it out

      • “I struggle to believe China has had only 100,000 cases”

        I struggle to see the significance in fudging the numbers, if they
        If it was uncontrolled, the deaths would be impossible to hide no matter how well the conspiracy to hide them is made.

        Hands washing, masks, home hygiene play a significant role in addition to distancing and restriction of travel. These methods, if used early, work well to suppress the spread. We saw that working in Aus, why would it not work in CHina, particularly when their citizens are likely to obey the .gov rules

        • They didn’t manage to hide them. The crematoria in Wuhan were working 24/7. China has probably suppressed to about the level of Sydney… the real numbers are far more than the official numbers, but coronavirus is not nearly deadly enough that people are dying on the streets (not really happening anywhere).

          • I am sure you are familiar with the adage that what is asserted without facts or evidence it can equally be dismissed in entirety without any evidence or facts.

            I may agree that numbers were fudged, to some degree but not to the numbers you imply. Perhaps in times before the internet it would’ve been possible to hide such numbers but not today.
            But again, to what end would any government want or need to hide the real numbers of dead by invisible microscopic enemy of no political colour? If anyone, I am the most suspicious of Swedes fudging and cooking the numbers…
            A simpler explanation is that the lockouts work and anyone that has been exposed at least a tiny bit to MSM would remember that lockouts in Chjna were ridiculed as human rights violation.

          • There is no evidence for China’s numbers and they fly in the face of existing evidence. But if you prefer to believe an authoritarian dictatorship that it hasn’t had a COVID death in six months and had only 3000 total in a population of 1.6 billion, over one of the most democratic and least corrupt countries in Sweden… Go for it.

            China is heavily promoting the narrative that they have beaten COVID and are back in full swing. That is reason enough to lie.

          • Again, to what end?
            If they have virus in the population, the recovery will be short lived.
            Sweden has a huge motivation to provide alternative cause of death to support the let-it-rip approach and one of the highest death numbers per million in the world.

  23. It’s started and it’s not even Tuesday:

    “US judge to hear Republican bid to void 100,000 votes in Texas”

    “DFAT issues ‘do not travel’ warning for USA citing ‘possible civil unrest'”

    The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is warning Australians not to travel to the United States due to concerns about possible civil unrest connected to the US Election.

  24. Notification from the Domain app at 3:30am Sunday morning that this weeks clearance rates are in!

    Yeah right, what a nonsense that this data will have any accuracy whatsoever.

  25. “Consolidated Pastoral Company sale finalised with British investor Guy Hands for at least $500 million”

    Matt Damon buys $22m Byron mansion. Zac Efron buys in Byron.

    Who’s looking after Australia’s interests?

    No one.

    • We should tell wealthy Americans to f’off… If they all buy in Byron it will just displace locals and cause more imbalance. For the same reason Texans hate Californians moving to their state and bringing their political belief system with em’.

      We shouldn’t be a bolt hole for those wealthy bastards. Already been happening in NZ also.

  26. migtronixMEMBER

    The struggles of a pothead.

    You know, American devotion to convenience has always kind of jarred me. Case in point:

    For years and years and years the notion of buying a magazine of roach tips had never occurred to me. Then when I started to see these things pop up at smoke shops about a decade I resisted them emphatically.
    Over time however, with the depletion of access to business cards, I struggled to find sufficient cardboard materials from which to fashion them, and as I shun the practice of recycle roach paper, I would soon cannabisiced the wrappings of the very papers.

    At long last I condescended.

    Dans shuttering has still not brought these fine establishments with their cornucopia of wares back online, and in my caveman existence I dream of Michigan….

    • Mig, we are as peas in a pod on this one.

      I find that the vast bulk of real estate ‘looking to sell your house – do it with us!’ type cards – which regularly fill my letterbox, are ideal for the trimming up of just the right sized roach. Get in touch if you need, I’ll post an emergency collection. I’ve just started on a large Stockdale and Leggo card which will take me a month.

    • You could also tie your hair behind your head, and put on a suit and stroll into a large real estate agents to sniffily declare (eg) ‘My name is Miguel Tronix and I am looking to buy maybe a dozen abodes for key personnel of the Algorithm 21 Applications division which is going to be based in Melbourne’ I think you will find they will give you some cards, and if they give you any of those plastic coated ones just point out how environmentally unfriendly they are.

  27. Mining BoganMEMBER

    Just been out for a ride. Heidelberg, Banyule Flats, Westerfolds Park, lots of big groups and not a mask to be seen. Social distancing is gone too. Interestingly as you get further out along the Yarra Trail towards Warrendyte the mask wearing becomes about 50/50. Those without them look angry, looking for a fight angry. Then you get the Mullum Mullum and Koonung Creek trails and it’s more 80/20 mask wearing. Back to my area and yeah nah, it’s all a hoax.

    We’re going back to lockdown people, just a matter of time.

  28. migtronixMEMBER

    Kill the headlights and put it in neutral
    Stock car flamin’ with a loser and the cruise control
    Baby’s in Reno with the vitamin D
    Got a couple of couches, sleep on the love seat
    Someone keeps sayin’ I’m insane to complain
    About a shotgun wedding and a stain on my shirt
    Don’t believe everything that you read
    You get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve
    So shave your face with some mace in the dark
    Savin’ all your food stamps and burnin’ down the trailer park


    In the U.S., City Rents Are Falling, and Suburban Rents Are Climbing … City Lab Bloomberg
    … h/t DB …

    New research from Apartment List shows how Covid-19 has transformed the rental housing market in U.S. metro areas.

    Renters have never had so many options in Manhattan. The number of apartment listings in New York’s most expensive borough has tripled from last year, the highest figure for vacancies in recent history. Asking rents in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens have imploded. …

    … concluding …

    … Past crises offer little hint about what comes next, though. In the New York area, apartment vacancies could rise as high as 6%, roughly a 40% increase in vacant units. At the height of the Great Recession, vacancies reached about 3.6%. That difference amounts to hundreds of thousands of units.

    “The rate at which vacancies have increased has been so sharp that it completely blows away the worst vacancy levels at the greater financial crisis,” Rodriguez says. “That was over a two-year hardship. This has only been six months.”

  30. migtronixMEMBER

    Finished with my woman ’cause she couldn’t help me with my mind
    People think I’m insane because I am frowning all the time
    All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy
    Think I’ll lose my mind if I don’t find something to pacify
    Can you help me, occupy my brain?

  31. This AFR article addresses, amongst other issues, the current challenge of restocking cattle herds at such high market prices.

    Australia’s cattle kings and queens on top of the world

    Look a little closer at the first image. This, really gets my goat! Obviously stock images of cattle stock are hard to come by too!

    The picture of Gina is factually correct though.

  32. migtronixMEMBER

    I’m so happy because today
    I’ve found my friends
    They’re in my head
    I’m so ugly, but that’s okay, ’cause so are you
    We’ve broken our mirrors
    Sunday morning is everyday for all I care
    And I’m not scared
    Light my candles in a daze
    ‘Cause I’ve found God
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

  33. migtronixMEMBER

    don’t care, I don’t care, I don’t care
    I don’t care, I don’t care, care if it’s old
    I don’t mind, I don’t mind, I don’t mind
    I don’t mind, mind, don’t have a mind
    Get away, get away, get away
    Get away, away, away from your home
    I’m afraid, I’m afraid, I’m afraid
    I’m afraid, afraid, ghost

  34. Somewhat similar to Mining Bogan’s experience at the running track yesterday, I had a close encounter of the v_brant kind this arvo in Sydvegas.

    Trigenerational flock of New Australians™ approaching on the footpath.
    1 x death starer,
    1 x young adult couple, plump, non-descript looking remarkably less skilled than the jobs they purportedly came here to do because no Australians availablewilling to work for less than legal wages for v_brant employer
    2 x bratty looking toddlers, one in a stroller even though she looked at least 5
    Total width of footpath occupied = 100%
    Collision = imminent
    Closing fast, no sign of yielding for the wh_tey
    Maximum death stare + supplementary glares all round
    Waiting for that woke media indoctrination of not worthy to remain on the footpaths of the streets of the country you were born in because evil male wh_te privilege to kick in
    3 feet, 2 feet …. no sign of yielding on either side

    • Mining BoganMEMBER

      To be honest I had multiple experiences of that today, although in my area it was entitled boomers and over towards Kew it was Chinamen families.

      • I think the bottom line is that we currently live in an ‘age of entitlement’ (something that is prevalent among all sorts of groups) and the media is to blame for a lot of this. They can’t stop telling vybrants, for example, they’ve had a raw deal from wh1tey and they deserve better — they are ‘owed’. Which sometimes leads to some pretty obnoxious behavior. Thankfully not all of them have drunk the kool-aid, but those that have get up my farking nose, big time.

    • Mrs Nut turned the corner into our little street and nearly cleaned up a couple of elderly vibrants. “Wonder how often they’re at the hospital and I bet they’ve ever paid a cent in tax.” Shed a tear I did.