Labor’s China apologists just dont get it

I was once a great fan of Gareth Evans but not anymore:

This would be sensible if it didn’t so comprehensively misrepresent recent history. Australian rhetoric around China has not been hysterical. When Malcolm Turnbull declared Australia would “stand up” against CCP violations of sovereignty he did so because it was necessary. China was busy bribing the business and parliamentary elite into oblivion, running influence operations willy nilly, corrupting universities with impunity, buying the media, silencing critics with lawfare and open intimidation, so and so forth.

The push back against these “sharp power” encroachments has been measured and the rhetoric around them was necessary to shift Australian normatives for collaboration with tyrannical foreign power.

Most importantly, the channels of influence that were exposed by the shift were the very points of connection constantly championed by the likes of Gareth Evans and Labor: diplomacy; economic engagement, business links, foreign investment, immigration, so on and so forth.

In other words, if we go back to kowtowing in public, those channels will reopen and the CCP influence resume its corrosive growth.

It is difficult for Australia’s institutional liers of the possum pansy diplomatic corp to grasp given it is an unconventional approach, but openly declaratory policy, transparent pushback and regulation, and robust and honest debate are the searing sunshine that is vital to the protection of Australian’s most basic freedoms amid the China relationship.

If that costs us a few dollars, and makes the CCP a permanently irascible partner, that that is a price worth paying. Frankly, it goes without saying. The rest of Asia and the world is still there to engage with and will respect us more for it.

The alternative being pushed by Labor’s vestigial eighties greybeards is slavery tarted-up as national interest.

The nation understands this instinctively and will not elect a kowtowing Labor until it does to.

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    • Gareth Evans, Bob Carr, Paul Keating, Bob Hawke, Kevin Rudd, Daniel Andrews all labor Foreign Ministers, Premiers, and Prime Ministers, who have assisted, enabled and championed the interests of the Chinese Communist Party in Australia.

  1. Follow the money, for sure any apologist is benefiting in some way shape or form or they would not be on their knees in from of the evil CCP

  2. “Vestigial greybeards” +1. Remember, Gareth Gareth was ANU Chancellor for a decade, and went totally native.

    Here in Rainbow Canberra, I keep telling friends and family that China, Migration, and National Security, make Labor unelectable. They won’t have a bar of it, they want to run me out of town.

    • fitzroyMEMBER

      +1 I listened to 41/2 minutes of it and couldn’t stand anymore. Couldn’t be bothered with the China shills following.

  3. Engendering “…diplomacy; economic engagement, business links, foreign investment, immigration, so on and so forth…” is exactly what Australia should continue to do and repair where damaged by recent hamfisted chest-thumping.

    Australia can and should be capable of managing responsible mature relationships with both the US and China, not opt for one at the exclusion of the other – too much is at stake. We should actively seek to cultivate respectful interactions with other nations rather than look for trouble where trouble does not exist.

    All the way with LBJ mantra has led Australia into conflicts not of its concern across the globe. Time to stand on our own two feet and develop capacity to remain friends with those who hold different views, are major economic powers and keen to assert influence in the region.

    • That horse has bolted. The stoopid country has no leverage anymore. It would be the greatest “fake it til you make it” of all time.

    • Remain friends with those who are trying to take you over and destroy your freedoms and way of life? Come off the grass!
      The time for diplomacy, compromise, and appeasement has passed.

    • “Too much is at stake” – For OS owned miners & their MCA lobbyist greasers?

  4. SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

    gareth sounds very wheezy, he wouldn’t want to get that wuflu going around

    • Wouldn’t it be ironic if the WuFlu did for Gareth.

      Mind you, I’d still put money on him shilling from the grave

  5. I’ve followed MB from inception and yet still fail to grasp its negative view of China. Can recall “China needs a stonking good recession“ but never understood the rationale! China demand for Oz exports has been hugely to our benefit (as iron ore testifies to even today), cheap China merchandise fills our Bunnings and KMarts and we revel in household consumption, China contribution to STEM fields will astound within the next decade, its big cities are exciting, its people entrepreneurial and innovative, the CCP presents ideological conflicts but these are not insurpassable.

    Accept the good, filter the negative – we can manage this without ‘throwing out the baby with the bathwater.’

    • Your “problem” is you are being rational about it. There is nothing rational about their “CHAI-NAH!” stance.

    • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

      the CCP presents ideological conflicts but these are not insurpassable

      LOL 3d1k go tell Taiwan or HK that

      • ChinajimMEMBER

        Exactly. And a few other nations and ethnic groups around that area too.

        Thanks for bothering, I just couldn’t be bothered to engage with the level of understanding of China some on here have. “Airportologists” we used to call them.

      • Yep. Just gobsmacking. Try living under a regime where you have to worry about whether what you say as a matter of political or policy opinion could result in your being detained without trial and your life ruined through death by a thousand cuts of opportunity permanently snuffed out. We should not be in bed with these people. You simply cannot just take the money and run. That’s not how the world works.

    • Your sovereignty and freedoms are more important than making a buck from one customer, cobber.

    • Possibly it could be mutually beneficial, but it’s the disregard of international laws, the Theft, & overreaching Interference that you’re conveniently blind to – they can’t seem to help themselves & it’s up to our side of the relationship to say where the buck Stops before it turns abusive! We’re late to the awakening & now need to push back to acceptable levels, or disengage. Their belligerent carry on now they’ve been called out shows plenty of denial toward their unacceptably Narcissistic ways.

    • Bravo ! I agree with you Xo. The construction of the anti China narrative has been going on for some years now. China is not perfect but they have certainly done very well. The American penetration of Australia is total and the narrative is under their control at all levels. We need China !

      • We need China On OUR Terms – or mutually acceptable ones at least!
        With the massive hand up they received, remind me how “They done so well” & at what cost to to the rest of our economy?

      • I wish that your aggressive stupidity and bigotry wasn’t bailed out by my tax dollars.

    • You have a rose-tinted view of things over there. Their economic ‘progress’ since the turn of the century is basically the result of one unprecedented debt binge i.e. not sustainable in the long run.

      They are a time-bomb waiting to go off.

      That is all.

    • Sounds very much like Germany and Japan in the late 1930s – and wacko, were they ever all the things you mentioned, yet not civil, free, democratic and tolerant. How long this time before we stand up for humanist and democratic principles rather than listen to the happy clappers with their snouts in the trough?

    • It is natural for Australia to want to grow our economy and to trade, however, the true price of doing so must be calculated, not just in dollars, and cents, but how this trade, benefits or impairs, our longer term security. The risk that China under the CCP poses today is already too much, and the risk for our children and grandchildren will be overwhelming. We must look to defend ourselves now, as our primary objective, whatever the relationship was before, today it is different, and the price of trade is a stronger China , and a stronger CCP and China is absolutely not in our interest, because we can not trust them, we were wrong.

  6. smokey_del_rossaMEMBER

    Xo, in another perfect world we could work harmoniously but any repair of the relationship at the moment is at Aust’s dire cost to a country into Xi world domination…the Chinese initimidation almost reminds me of Hitler 1930’s. Ah for Austin Powers to shag his way to a harmonious China / world relationship.

  7. Did Assange, Snowden, Manning teach us nothing? Did we not have it confirmed that our major ally behaves very similarly to our alleged major enemy, perhaps worse as it pretends an ethical and moral superiority? Data collection, privacy degradation, murder, torture, rendition manipulation of democracy on top of a vastly powerful military complex.

    China has a way to go to match the reach of the US. China is a fledgling in comparison.

    All effort must be deployed to ensure these two nuclear powered nations maintain civil relations, engage in friendly exchange of ideas and trade, accept some regional influence lies with China and the US, an observer only (assuming no serious territorial infractions – and not those fanned by IndoPacCom boasting of it “lethality” and preparedness to exercise same)

    As Napoleon said “Let China sleep; when she wakes, she will shake the world.”