Sunday Supplement: February 23 2020

Toy boys, 1990, Geoffrey Ricardo, Art Gallery of NSW


Macro & Markets




Terra Incognita

…and furthermore…

…and Coronavirus…


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    … What is California learning from New Zealand ? …

    California Building Industry Association – Building Permit Data

    New Zealand December 2019 Residential Building Consents – Over 15,000 new homes intended for Auckland … Statistics NZ

    • The standard industry measure is the consent / start / completion rate per 1000 population per annum. Raw figures without reference to the population base are of little use.

    • In 2019 California’s population was about 40 million … New Zealand’s about 4.9 million.

    • During 2019 California issued about 110,218 dwelling permits … New Zealand 37,538.

    • Therefore for 2019 … the permitting rate per 1000 population per annum for California was 2.75 … New Zealand 7.66.

    • If New Zealand was permitting at the California rate of 2.75 / 1000 pop pa just 13,475 permits would have been issued during 2019.

    • If California was permitting at the New Zealand rate of 7.66 / 1000 pop pa some 306,400 permits would have been issued in 2019 … not 110,218 … comparatively some 196,182 less than the New Zealand permitting performance.

    (a) What is California learning from New Zealand … further information access archival website Performance Urban Planning.

    (b) Is the New Zealand public … refer Ipsos Monitor … and the Labour – led Coalition government … with the support of the main Opposition … being adequately recognised for their efforts in ramping up new dwelling supply and restoring housing affordability in New Zealand ?

    • UrbanWastelandMEMBER

      Huh? That’s like comparing apples and orangutans. Surely what matters is permits per population growth, not absolute pop, no?

    • 27 day incubation period?
      possible re-infections?
      transmissible via wind?
      cases with NO link to china? (from WHO)
      active in the air and on surfaces for days? weeks?

      Point is, they still know jack about this virus.

      But hey, Scummo knows best!

      Open the floodgates!

      • Yeah, Greg Hunt said the Scovid-19 situation was calming down, both in China and globally. He also said we need to visit our local Chinese restaurant and keep consuming. All good. #JustAFluBra

        • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

          What a Cvnt!
          He should be one of the first to be lynched once/if this thing breaks out here.

          • There’ll be a few in line for lynching if things get out of hand here — which, at this rate, is almost a dead cert.

            COVID is going global from where I’m sitting.

        • Rename SCOMO as SCOVID-2019 or was it SCOVID 2018 – there was an incubation period of 12 months before forced to self-quarantine in Hawaii.

  2. “South Korea says the number of new coronavirus cases in the country has more than doubled in one day.”

    S Korea wont quarantine cities.
    Toll will be horrendous.

    Vice Health Minister Kim Gang-lip said the outbreak had entered “a serious new phase”.

    Paging Scummo!
    Scummo to the front desk!

    • $1799 for a 27 night cruise with the possibility of a 1 month extension and second holiday at Christmas Island. That’s a pretty good deal.

      • lol. in all seriousness tho, anyone contemplating such a fetid ‘holiday’ should make absolutely certain their insurance politely covers things like ‘quarantine’, ongoing treatment for pneumonia, numerous complications assoc. with, evacuations, and of course, death by deadly pathogen.

        Also protection against those who’ll sue you into bankruptcy after you infect them upon your return.

        • Or, if you have a foreign passport and are enrolled, Western Sydney and Adelaide universities will help cover your relocation costs.

        • Lol. I was discussing this with someone recently and they pointed out it was probably not as good a deal as advertised i.e. you’re not really allowed to leave your quarters and go fishing … or have sundowners at the beach. It genuinely is like being in prison.

    • Ah yes, ‘snapped up’ by ‘savvy’ travelers. Does it include a ‘get out of quarantine free’ card?

  3. “#COVID19 strains isolated from urine pose a threat to China’s sewer system, especially in hospitals. The discovery also explains how the virus is traveling with blood to harm hearts and kidneys.

    It harms hearts and kidneys?
    It’s in the sewer system?

    All good.

    • Apparently it can also spread through feces.

      Given India’s sewerage deficiencies, this is going to be potentially explosive.

    • Last week I mentioned that those claiming people dying from heart attacks after contracting the virus a second time have got it wrong. It looks more like viral cardiomyopathy. All the apparent symptoms of the virus disappear and people get on with their lives without realising they have an inflamed and weakened heart and need more rest.

      You can get it from some other more common viruses btw.

      • There is a rumour circulating that the treatment for the virus actually weakens certain components of the heart so that if/when the person concerned contracts the virus again their heart is at serious risk of failure.

    • Ace2 receptors are found everywhere in the body however it seems they are more prevalent in male as ians. Thing is though if you have chronic disease such as autoimmune, metabolic, heart, diabetes, obese, smoke, eat an unhealthy oxidative diet the body expresses more ace2 in response and these are found in the internal organs, intestines not just the respiratory system which is why this virus also attacks these parts of the body. So when you look at how unhealthy our demographic is you can see that not just Chi nese will be affected but the rest of the unhealthy world too. Look at scomo et al, he and the rest are overweight/obese so this virus will hit them as hard as it will the liberals primary demographic of voters. This is a real disaster and I can’t believe the govt has opened the border and the media is playing it down as for once they themselves will also be impacted by their incompetent decisions just as hard as the rest of the population.
      To the mb crowd, do your research and eat healthy, cut out junk and sweets as much as you can, take antiviral supplements and build your lymphocytes as this virus depletes your lymphocyte count drastically. Read up about cytokine storm too as for some patients this has also caused them to die similar to the Spanish flu. Good luck!

      • So what you’re saying is that we may be left with a world in which only slim, healthy (good looking?) people are left?

        Sounds terrible. Oh well.

  4. 6 hours ago

    Chris Bowen has criticised the Morrison government for even considering nuclear power

    Mr Bowen defended Labor’s position of announcing a net zero emissions target by 2050 without any detail of how this will be achieved

    “The economics of nuclear power don’t stack up. You could start building a nuclear power station today and it wouldn’t be ready for decades,” Mr Bowen said.

    Decades? 10 years.

    Mini-Nuclear Power Plants

    Rolls Royce is aiming for an electricity cost of £60/MWh

    SMR’s have a small footprint (the size of a barge or small house), enhanced safety, rapid build-times, and a unit cost between $800 million to $3 billion – making them ideal

    • happy valleyMEMBER

      Isn’t Chris the shadow Health Minister? What’s his view/advice on something a bit more current (ie ScoVID-19) than emissions targets for 2050? Emissions should become less of a concern if half of the world’s population is wiped out by ScoVID-19?

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      Any nuclear power station in.Oz would be completely reliant on an offshore manufacturing base. Given the country can barely manage to make nails, there would be a huge risk of accidents being caused by poor maintenance and lack of parts.

      That risk wouldn’t be present in other forms of generation.

      • Your lack of faith in the intelligence of your countrymen concerns me.

        Straya is more than capable of making (or at least maintaining) a decent nuclear powered asset.

    • Got to say though, do you trust Australia with nuclear power plants? I guess, being Australia we won’t be running them, the vibrants will probably be doing that.

  5. I’ve put up a few posts here and they may seem a little panicked. But for the record, I personally believe there is no need to panic just yet. It is worrying that the virus now seems to be spreading freely outside of China.

    But Scomo lowering the gate to new China arrivals is going to bring the moment of panic closer.

    • First serious cluster outbreak here in schools and what little credibility our government had left after the bushfire debacle is gone. Then we go leaderless into possibly one of our greatest crises. It will be everyone for themselves as our leaders have shown the way. You need trust in the system on these occasions for shared sacrifice to work and sacrifice there will be.

      Reports coming out of Silicon Valley now……only to be expected with all the ties between them and China……Vancouver has to be a trouble spot as well early on.

    • No need to panic but you do have to prepare your body especially if you follow unhealthy habits. You have to be as healthy as possible through diet and lifestyle to ride this thing out cos you won’t escape it.

      • Now you tell me. I’ve just negotiated the purchase of 250 cans of baked beans in ham sauce from Ermo.

    • How many people is Australia actually testing?

      Singapore has been testing all hospital patients with pneumonia since the start of the month. Has Australia been doing anything similar? I doubt it.

      nO cAsEs dEtEcTeD iN tHe CoMmUnItY.

      Yeah, that’s to be expected when you aren’t really testing people. We may need to see a sudden breakout before the authorities notice.

      Iran officially went from zero cases to a sudden spike in cases and deaths all within a few days.

      • My partner went to the doctor during the week with a dry cough and fever and she was tested for coronavirus so yes they are testing.

      • If you’re Asian the rule is no testing because that would be profiling and profiling is clearly raycist.

        The Progtards would be up in arms – which kind of suits the parasites too given their need for foreign money.

    • The gummint has essentially abandoned quarantine due to pressure from the Great Princes because they couldn’t give two squirts of piss for how many Small People sicken and die of The Great Plague due to their desire for MOAR PROFIT.

      I’ve abandoned any thought that we can avoid this and I’m now taking appropriate measures to deal with the coming difficulties. If those difficulties don’t arise that just means I’ll have more food and ammunition than I need,

      I can’t picture the circumstances under which too much food and ammunition is a bad thing.

      • Yep, baked beans (in ham sauce, if you’re posh) and plenty of toilet paper.

        And please aim straight. Resources are not infinite.

  6. been to sydney’s international airport last night – only tumbling weed was missing
    there was more staff than travelers

  7. What is fuelling the Dutch house price boom?

    20% in 5 years and they are complaining … we get that much in a quarter


    “The travel ban has been extended for another week but federal and state chief health and medical officers have advised “there is a case for government to consider … a temporary relaxation of the travel restrictions to allow entry to a larger number of tertiary students” after February 29 if coronavirus cases in China do not blow out.
    The officers cautioned that any easing of restrictions should be subject to cases levelling off in provinces outside Hubei, where the outbreak began. The advice stated there would still be a low risk of importing cases to Australia if the current characteristics of the virus were maintained.”
    “The flow of students would likely be slow, given the current number of cancelled flights….”
    “The government has indicated to universities that Australia’s immigration and health-screening systems would be stretched by a surge of arrivals and students might need to be processed in batches of 1000.”
    “The officers advised that students allowed to return “would need to agree to self-isolation in Australia and universities would need to make arrangements to support student self-isolation”.

    There are an awful lot of qualifiers. After 29 February, if, if, if, if, if….

    If your business depended on this change in policy, would you be feeling very confident? Or looking at the long series of high hurdles that had just been placed in front of you?

    The comments were made by unidentified “officers” who know this suggestion doesn’t have popular support, but who understand they do occasionally have to do their masters bidding to keep their comfortable jobs, salary and title. They largely managed to remain anonymous – other than the chief who had to put his name on the line, but who managed to work into his statement that it was a “risk-benefit thing that government will have to consider.”

    “The timetable that they need to meet … to ensure they can have students in place – we still have a number of weeks ahead of us on that front,” Mr Morrison said.
    So the University year usually starts in early March. He knows he has time on his side, and that there is no way this is going to happen. So just look reasonable, avoid making powerful enemies, and run down the clock.

    The way this thing is going, there is no way this relaxation will seem to be prudent by 29 February. Just today, we had cases in Korea more than double, an outbreak in Italy, and another outbreak in Iran.

    However…… the government must be seen to be listening to important people and large industries, and to be at least contemplating all suggestions they may make. And so it is being seen to do all this.
    And then an “Ummm, no, the situation has changed somewhat with Korea, and Japan, and Italy, and Singapore, and Iran….. and the message we are getting from the public is that they are increasingly alarmed, and um sorry, but no.”

    “Vicki Thomson, chief executive of the Group of Eight universities, welcomed the government’s examination of ways to minimise the impact of the travel ban on universities and students.”
    Me thinks Vicki is going to be disappointed. A bit like my kids understand that “We’ll see” usually means “No F way.”
    And this doesn’t look promising either

    • I actually think it’s bigger than just appeasing industry. I reckon that China is the main motivating force behind these possible compromises in border security.

      The Chinese Consul is pressuring the Australian government to let students in …..why ?

      • BoomToBustMEMBER

        1 infected passenger on a cruise ship can infect 500+ other passengers and they want to allow student back into the country who are known to have poor hygiene standards and the ability to interact with 1000+ other students directly and indirectly This is going to get interesting..

      • Probably the elites trying to get their kids out…..they know the truth…….elites stick together, just like flying the Saudis out after 911

      • Yes undoubtedly also motivated by long term desire to protect (as far as possible) relationship with China.

        Still not going to happen.

        The bigger risk is the 14 day stopover in India or Thailand or Indonesia and thereby avoid the ban.

        My guess is that in the next 1-2 weeks, there will be a lot fewer flights arriving. Either government imposed border control, or else airlines facing operational difficulties (the last red rat scheduled service to China was pulled when multiple cabin crew called in sick and no replacements available).

        • I wonder what the Indians, Thais and Indonesians think about this idea of being used as a temporary stopping ground by lots of plague ridden Chinese “students”.

          It’s not gonna generate a lot of love among the locals I reckon, and none of those people are reluctant to express their displeasure about things in general or the Chinese specifically…particularly the Indonesians. I certainly wouldn’t want to be an ethnic Chinese in Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia or pretty much anywhere outside China right now.

          We could do with some of that action here.

      • WhatcouldgowrongMEMBER

        From an economic standpoint it’d make sense to distribute the virus around so that they can reduce economic growth globally in order to catch up.
        I could just see a Global Times article talking about how it’s unfair and colonialist that China bears the brunt of cases.

        • In the late 90’s (1998?) there was an outbreak of a bird flu in Hong Kong and China, that began in Guangdong Province. One of the responses of the Chinese government was to ban the importation of Australian frozen chickens (talk about kicking the dog).

    • what’s interesting is that they’re let foreign high school students in
      why on earth would rich Australians want potential epidemics in rich private schools (where most of these Chinese high school students are heading)

      • They are not doing that either.

        Federal government is speaking with a forked tongue. They have purportedly decided this can apply to high schools (a state responsibility) but has not applied to universities (federal responsibility).
        Approved on case by case basis.
        All states and territories have to agree.
        Individual school has to agree (presumably high schools will have to follow state education dept decision)
        Not compulsory for states to agree.
        Doesn’t seem to apply to their families.

        I can’t imagine there will be many people who get through this. To me it looks like a federal government keen to demonstrate it is trying to compromise and appease all parties, while knowing that other decision makers will say no anyway and it can legitimately say it’s “hands are tied.“

        By the time everyone had agreed and by the time all the checks are done and by the time the “case by case” situation was reviewed….., it will be irrelevant.

    • Nurses and doctors should strike. Scomo and khunt are blatantly endangering their lives by opening the floodgate.

    • TailorTrashMEMBER

      Scomo has to keep the CCP part of his coalition ( and parliamentary majority ) happy too ……Gladys will be working hard for her handlers to get the doors opened

    • “Yea though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear no evil, because I’m the Meanest Motherfcuker in the valley” Psalm 23:4 LSWCHP version

  9. There is some good news however.
    Only 3 cases in India
    Only one in all of Africa
    And none at all in Indonesia or South America.

      • Those regions that can’t afford to test or don’t know how too.

        I’m pretty sure the plague is ripping through Africa and Indonesia and India right now. In Africa people drop like flies from thousands of mad diseases every day so who would ever know?

    • I just got back from Bali and personally met three seperate people who reckon they’ve had it. All had been through either Malaysia or Singapore then got very ill after arriving in Bali. Fit surfers with respiratory problems, hectic fever , body ache , sleeplessness and severe cough.

      I made sure I stayed well upwind of these people and only met them outdoors.

      None went to hospital as they initially failed to consider that it might be Coronavirus and then they didn’t want to go because they were afraid they’d be quarantined in a 2nd world hospital at the whim of bureaucrats and possibly with others who might definitely have it.

      Unconfirmed of course , but all three said it was the sickest they’d ever been in their lives. Lucky to have people to care for them whilst they were sick. But they are now walking around Indonesia and so are the people who looked after them and so are the people who interacted with the carers etc etc

      The thing I realised is that the disease is not an evil presence. It doesn’t smell or appear as a toothy monster in the street. It’s just out there invisible and hidden. Anyone out of earshot of the conversations I had with the people involved had no idea that the virus could’ve been around them . The sun was shining, the water sparkling blue ….normal day. You just have to have the bad luck of bumping into the wrong person.

      I’ve no doubt these guys had it and neither did they .

      • I had a similar thing mid Jan, never thought anything of it and never heard of coronavirus before. It was the worst cough and sore throat I’ve had since I was a kid but I fought it off by gargling salt water non stop and vaporising eucalyptus oil by those machines at the chemist. I caught it off a friend that was sick and just got back from Taiwan for business. There are so many stories like this, I’m a healthy dude and never had this in mid summer!

      • My family, and quite a few friends, had the worst cold they can remember in mid-late January.
        Given- highly infectious nature
        – been around since at least early December, and no one picks case zero.
        – huge, constant stream of travellers between China and Australia until very recently.
        I find it hard to believe it’s not already been here.

      • My partner and I were both terribly crook with cough, booger etc after going to the Aus Open in late Jan. We’re both very healthy, and neither of us had ever experienced a summer bug like this before. It lasted nearly 2 weeks and we both still have nagging coughs.

        Many similar stories at my workplace.

      • Someone ElseMEMBER

        Same account from a clan in the Central Coast of NSW. Sickest they’ve ever felt, all fever and lungs.

        The tough old duck CWA matriarch considered hospital on Boxing Day.

        The scottish boxer patriarch was out of action for three weeks, and you can’t stop that alcohol-soaked rage beast without silver and holy water.

        All the youngens were snotty but barely noticed.

        Right near the chinese enclave of Terrigal.

        • Terrigal is a Chinese enclave? FFS. I lived at Gosford and surfed at Terrigal every weekend as a kid and never saw that.

  10. Arthur Schopenhauer

    The Korean corona data is mapping fairly tightly onto the epidemic modeling done by the UCL Professor and others. It confirms that the numbers out of CHC are grossly understated.

  11. One of two travel agencies in the Balgowlah Stockland shopping centre has suddenly disappeared, the remaining one being Flight Centre.

  12. Eric Feigl-Ding
    @DrEricDing 46m
    Iran is closing all schools in its capital city of Tehran because of the coronavirus epidemic. #COVID19 #sarscov2
    …they seem to have gotten the wrong end of the stick – shouldn’t they be opening them up to people from the viral epicentre??

  13. People are losing all sense of perspective as they panic about bat sniffles.

    As we speak there are retirees struggling to live off the income from $3M property portfolios.

    Think about the horrors closer to home in a nicer post code than yours!

    When property is a mugs game.

    At least those poor little rich folk will be pleased to know that there are lots of economic commentators DEMANDING that the RBA cut interests further and do some more asset price fluffing.

    • On the bright side, once the batFlu takes hold, retirees will be the first lot to die off. Imagine if they die thinking they will rest peacefully in a nice ocean facing burial plot they bought ages ago, but their kids end up selling it to Chinese developers.

      • They will be perfectly safe.

        As we speak they are erecting barricades on the edges of their inner urban “villages” to reinforce the exclusionary effect of sky high land prices and heritage values.

    • But what about franking credits? The evil Bill Shorten nearly got his hands on them! Good thing Scotty from marketing came to the rescue.

      • Arthur Schopenhauer

        Micheal West was saying the big 4 paid $17billion in Tax over 5 years (👍) , and $2billion of that was returned in cranky credits(👎)

        Just imagine what Brigitte Mackenzie could of done with that! (‘Cause the ‘crankies would’ve voted LNP anyway)

        • happy valleyMEMBER

          Read somewhere the other day that Jeremy Cooper, head of the Retirement Income side at Challenger, head of the Cooper review in to super and ex-Deputy Chair of ASIC, apparently said recently that by 2030 excess franking credit “refunds” will be unsustainable no matter who is in gubmint. At least by the virus taking out some boomers that will help manage the problem?

  14. LOL.

    Caulfield Grammar will keep the name of its golden graduate Mack Horton off its newly-opened, $25 million aquatic centre to preserve the school’s commercial interests in China.

    A plan to name the state-of-the-art centre after Horton, the school’s first Olympic champion, was quietly ditched late last year in response to the public fall-out from Horton’s refusal to share a medals dais at the FINA World Championships with Sun Yang, one of China’s most-celebrated athletes.

  15. The tale of two leaders; Xi exploits a disaster to solidify his power. ScoFlu totally fvcks up a disaster thus ensuring more voters now think he’s an absolute cvnt.

  16. ScoMo, Hunt et al must understand that there will be coronavirus cases – and fatalities – in Australia if travel restrictions are relaxed. They appear to accept that Australian lives will be lost. Instead of protecting the vulnerable in our society, including the elderly who have contributed to this country over the decades, Hunt, ScoMo et al are willing to leave them vulnerable to a virus that is highly contagious, has no vaccine, will further overload our already struggling health systems (thanks Population Ponzi) and which could very well kill a significant number of Australians.

    ScoMo, Hunt etc will he held responsible for this. They are risking the government and the health of the country all to keep the international education lobby happy. Insanity.

    • happy valleyMEMBER

      Nah. A few deaths etc etc are all just collateral damage and the very reasonable price to pay for having the best at everything managers running the government? Surely, you can see the merit in having strong, stable and efficient government and keeping Straya open for business?

    • Wait for the …”health is a state issue. The federal government has offered all the support the states have requested”. #NotOurProblem

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        Good point. Border Force just process arrivals – it’s over to the states and territories after that?

    • Is it possible to personally sue the prime minister? Say you catch it and die, is it possible to leave all your wealth to a QC and posthumously sue Morrison for all he is worth?

      • The framers of our constitution were careful to use the separation of powers clauses of the constitution to ensure that a French style droit le administratif could not be established.

        It might be possible in Qld to get an enforceable order against an action of the State Dept of Health from the Qld Civil and Administrative Tribunal but I bet you only get one before they cut it out.

          • Oh. I dunno about that. I’m waiting for a public event where I can boo and jeer at Scomo and tell him I really think of him.

            People need to stop being polite to that cnut. He needs to be made to feel despised and unwelcome everywhere he goes.

  17. My daughter attends Adelaide Uni. If that institution opens the floodgates & pays to bring vibrants in & then the Covid19 escapes I hope the VC personally supervises the self checking isolation. Hopefully VC is struck down. If my daughter gets Covid19 I’ll personally make a visit to said VC & let him know what I think of him.

    • All of these politicians have websites they can be contacted through and offices you can call. It just took me 20 minutes to type out my concerns about relaxing the travel ban and send them to scummo hunt and tehan. Tomorrow I will call their offices. Everyone commenting about this issue on MB should do the same. Otherwise you are simply rolling over for the pr1cks and moaning into your pillow. Enough dissenting voices will be heard, now they are floating their thought trial balloons in the media to see if we will accept this or not.

    • It takes one pollie to be infected and dies before the rest of the muppets take notice. Just like how that LNP NSW minister what’s his face is now a total convert on climate change after his community burnt down from the fires.

  18. if there’s a health crisis in china
    will chinese students in australia claim and be granted asylum
    could traitor morrison pull a traitor hawke stunt and dictate chinese students asylum

    • TailorTrashMEMBER

      The answer is yes …….and they will demand their parents and grandparents be allowed in too …….lots of racist xenophobic talk will emanate from the ABC

    • Maybe not grant, but they can definitely claim. That means an automatic bridging visa with work rights and free Medicare until the case is heard, which will be two years plus away.

    • Yep, he’s 100% right. The Neo-Liberal economics loving elites have ruined America. Murdoch, Zuckerberg, Bezos, the Waltons, the Kochs etc…. They saw the easy buck in selling out the working and middle classes, loading them up with debt, imported plastic crap, click-bait and opioids. Wall Street, Cable News and the Universities were right there to back them with funny money, divisive hype, worthless degrees, massive personal debt and psudo-sciencey Neo-Liberal BS to spread confusion and obscure the hidden agenda until it was too late.
      But why is he saying this now? Why not four years ago? Sudden enlightenment or panic?

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        Tucker is awesome – hope he doubles down on Trumpism by running for office in 2024.

        “The people in charge inherited an industrial superpower, with unchallenged military dominance and in little more than a generation they squandered all of it…. they wrecked what they did not build”

        “Neo” means new.
        As in New Liberals, New Conservatives.
        But if they are New then how are they different to what was before?
        From whose well of cultural values do they drawn their ideas?
        Who are the New elite?

        • Neoliberalism roots go way back to the advent of MPS and the Colloque Walter Lippmann in the 30s. The Liberal aspect is muddied by FDR bastardizing classical liberalism to advance his social policies, only to have it returned to its more classical meaning.

          As far as Tucker goes he was on a Liberal MSM network until it went splat, reinvented himself and is now working at Murdochs flagship MSM network – so which side is his bread buttered on again?

          So Devo – we will repeat …

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            Liberals have moved way left over the past 20 years – all a liberal has had to do in order to become a Conservative is to hold the same views they held 20 years ago.

            Juicey’s cultural well of ‘ideas’ have been a poisoned waterhole for the West – their toxic promotion of individualism over collective sacrifice, the dissolution of the family, toxic social beliefs in Multiculturalism (purely so Juicey’s could be excused from integrating) and the abnegation of the social contract all arose from their cultural values.

            Their values are toxic for strong united societies – which they have been white anting right back past Rome to the days of Babylon. They have 4,000 years of prior form.

          • lmmao at what ever it is your trying to sell, Raygun was not any kinda liberal …. lmmao where ever it is you get your factoids from.

      • I think he’s been saying this stuff for a while.

        The blurb of his 2018 book, “Ship of Fools”:

        “In Ship of Fools: How a Selfish Ruling Class is Bringing America to the Brink of Revolution, Tucker Carlson tells the truth about the new American elites, a group whose power and wealth has grown beyond imagination even as the rest of the country has withered. The people who run America now barely interact with it. They fly on their own planes, ski on their own mountains, watch sporting events far from the stands in sky boxes. They have total contempt for you.

        “They view America the way a private equity firm sizes up an aging conglomerate,” Carlson writes, “as something outdated they can profit from. When it fails, they’re gone.”

        In Ship of Fools, Tucker Carlson offers a blistering critique of our new overlords. Traditional liberals are gone, he writes. The patchouli-scented hand-wringers who worried about whales and defended free speech have been replaced by globalists who hide their hard-edged economic agenda behind the smokescreen of identity politics. They’ll outsource your job while lecturing you about transgender bathrooms. Left and right, Carlson says, are no longer meaningful categories in America. “The rift is between those who benefit from the status quo, and those who don’t.”

        Our leaders are fools, Carlson concludes, “unaware that they are captains of a sinking ship.” But in the signature and witty style that viewers of Tucker Carlson Tonight have come to enjoy, his book answers the all-important question: How do we put the country back on course?”

    • for anyone who wants to hear some actual information about US politics vs garbage on ABC/SBS, Tucker’s show is a must. You can get it on youtube – around 13:00 EST (and onwards) for the day before in the US to allow for time difference …

      For all those Fox haters out there, show me any other news/commentary program where the host openly declares his conservative views and repeatedly schedules guests that openly hold opposite opinions and gives that guest the opportunity to express their views ….

      • I was surprised to see him saying that on fox, seeing as it’s owned by one of the very people he is talking about.

    • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

      ROFLMGDAO – a tongue in cheek about the metric system over the Imperial system?

      Why don’t you post some links about some US conservatives railing against the evils of the spelling “cheque” vs “check”

      • Yep. It was a small exhibition with just the series. I’d seen some before but never all at once. Plus, the gallery has a cafe that looks over the sea so it’s always nice to have a coffee there.

        • Any clue as to why the slit in the helmet is transparent? (not in all paintings, some have Eyes).

          • It depended on the mood that Nolan wanted for each painting. When there were eyes they would also change colour from painting to painting. The perspectives and settings also shifted. Though the Kelly story was the thread it seems that Nolan also appeared to be be rather whimsical about what he wanted to include and why. I’m sure that there’s a thesis on the topic out there somewhere. Though I wouldn’t have the strength to make it through the whole thing.

    • I went to the Ned Kelly exhibition at the Australian Museum? when all 4(?) suits of armour were reunited for the first time since Glenrowan.

      For me to be in that room was the closest I have come to a spiritual experience.

      It was, to me literally breathtaking. With all the myth and history surrounding them this direct connection was something elemental.

      And blah blah blah harry, but I did get a lot out of it.

      • James Gleeson and Francis Bacon are the two exhibitions I’ve gone to where I’ve thought “Wow”.

        I’ve never bought into the Kelly mythos. It’s a hell of a tale. One can’t deny that. Yet it seems so distorted to me by everything else around it that the legend has come to overshadow the fact. Like Gallipoli, or even Ian Curtis, the romanticism that now surrounds it hides that actual tragedy that it was.

  19. TailorTrashMEMBER

    Looks like Bernie is on a roll ………..poor old Hillary will be apoplectic……….( she is still waiting for the call )

    • Bernie Vs Trump is certainly a remarkable prospect – one that would have been unthinkable a decade ago. Two highly unorthodox outsiders.

      The old politics is clearly over.

        • Sanders is dominating the younger demographics despite being 103. The young Democrats are about as clear establishment stooges as you can get and only soccer mom’s are buying their schtick.

          Watching MSNBC loser their sh1t is very enjoyable. After 3 years of hearing about Trump is an existential threat to US democracy they are coming clean that actually….universal health care is the real menace.


        • Unfortunately it appears that you need old fuddy-duddies to legitimise things in the Anglosphere. If a younger and, heaven forbid, female, tried to do what Corbyn and Sanders have done they would have had to put up with all of the irrelevant nonsense that Gillard, AOC, Greta, May and Palin all had to.

  20. TailorTrashMEMBER

    South Korea now at 556 cases of batflue ……….come on Straya …..can’t have that silver medal slip away ……….need to give it your all ……open them gates ……..
    Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi OI …….

    • The rate of increase is more important than the number at this stage : right now South Korea’s number is as bad as Wuhan during December.

    • I had a marine fish tank for a few years. I managed to grow acro’s and other SPS and LPS. You wouldn’t believe how sensitive those critters are to water conditions. You screw something up and you can literally watch them lose their skin in a matter of hours and turn into a white dead stick of calcium. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the GBR is entirely gone within 20 years.

    • happy valleyMEMBER

      Also, the GBRF won’t have to blow much of the $400m that Malcolm Turnbull blessed them with, if the reef becomes a lost cause?

        • boomengineeringMEMBER

          Good try, could be a club forming here. Maybe he can’t let the cat out of the bag, keep it under wraps which had to be done years ago but not today. . As I’ve said here on multiple occasions, if people want to stay in Australia legally by international law they need to take up Nederlands citizenship as Able Tasman’s 1642 claim still holds. This is where the animosity originated as well as a few other invasions into UK.

          • Better farm equipment for starters. But bugger the dutch. Didn’t they exterminate the whole population of an island in Indonesia just to control the production of pepper? (and bugger the poms too for letting millions of Irishmen and Indians starve just so their own did not have to go without).

          • Well, the issues I have are mostly those that are being discussed on this site. The biggest one for me is that for a country run by Westerners the corruption is off the charts, and resembles South American or African nations. A lot of the other issues are directly correlated and flow on from this. Now, of course there is corruption in Holland, but not on this scale. Also in Holland if you apply for a job, any job, you have to actually know what the hell you’re doing. There is none of this ‘Not what you know but who you know’ BS. When I got into mining/oil and gas jobs about 15 years ago, I couldn’t believe the chaos on site. The sheer dis-organisation. I couldn’t believe how Aussies got anything done. If jobs were run like this in Holland heads would roll every day until improvement. Every job I have been on went over time and over budget. Why? Because the project manager was actually a rigger, but by drinking with the right people and pole smoking for 2 years he got to his current position.
            I am convinced there would be a more well rounded and diverse economy in New Holland, we still have manufacturing, R&D and excellent universities in the old country.
            Also some smaller gripes, work ethic and quality of work is pretty low ‘She’ll be roit mate!’
            Of course everything I have said is in general terms, which always sound a bit crude.
            And yes, I know, if I don’t like it I can frk off, but I just wanted to give you my honest opinion.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Sacha, You do realize that The Nederlands gov’t is atm making an effort to stop people calling the Netherlands Holland.
            New Holland and New Zealand were named after parts of the Netherlands. ( for the less informed not you Sac ).

        • reusachtigeMEMBER

          Yep, see ya there coz your prep’n ain’t gonna save ya! Meanwhile, I’ll still be enjoying pleasures on the cheap!!

      • Hang on! I thought you said we should be panicking? So confused… I don’t know whether to be a shutin or go out licking bus windows again!

    • “Victoria and Australia nonetheless remain completely in containment mode”

      Opening up the borders and not testing any locals. Baghdad Bob seems quite honest compared to some of these guys.

    • GunnamattaMEMBER

      I think it is on its way everywhere now. The Americans are basically working to that assumption, and when all is said and done has any virus ever been contained by locking down anywhere?

      My take is that this week the narrative will start to change to ensuring that we have treatment plans, awareness and drugs available to do the job. Of course it may well be Australia comes up short (and gets taken to the cleaners) vis the right drugs.

      Whether deliberately or not (maybe they thought they could/should ‘lock it down’) the Chinese have bought time, but I dont think they can change the course of virus/pandemic we have known for pretty much the whole of human history.

      Of course if a Chinese student happens to be a super spreader or anything like that you can be sure ScoMo will get a roasting.

      • It’s a question of slowing it down as it will be here.We will never be prepared if a lot of people get this at once no matter what planning etc we implement.Quarantine is the only way(barring a vaccine or change in pathogenicity of the virus)And yes it is coming maybe in winter

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        Surely, a bit more than just a roasting for Scotty from Marketing? After all, didn’t he say that he would burn for the Strayan people?

      • Same game plan as climate change. Scummo will announce it’s time for “resilience and adaption” in the face of coronavirus. Can’t have the VC’s having to adapt to lower wages after all.

      • Containment did work for SARS, but they caught it much earlier on and international travel from China was a lot less than now.

  21. And can you tell me, doctor, why I still can’t get to sleep?
    And why the Channel Seven chopper chills me to my feet?
    And what’s this rash that comes and goes
    Can you tell me what it means?
    God help me
    It was COVID-19

  22. reusachtigeMEMBER

    I’ve spent this weekend massively low-balling the chinamen girl prices, and requesting free extras, because business is bad for them and I thought I better get in before that door of safety closes. The question is, should I feel bad that I am taking advantage of things to minimise my pleasure costs or is it just business?

  23. reusachtigeMEMBER

    The official chinamen will be on Q&A tomorrow night to set us all straight. It will be virus night on the ABC. The end result will give us comfort to let them all back in. Guaranteed.

  24. Migration Watch UK on BoJo’s new immigration system:

    “Ending unskilled immigration would be a real victory for the British public and the British economy. However, these proposals suggest that the government is not serious about taking control of immigration. Not only will millions of UK workers see their jobs opened up to new or greater competition from overseas workers from much poorer countries but employers will no longer have to look to find anyone at home before searching abroad.

    The main safeguard of a suitable pay threshold will be significantly lowered, with an added loophole that so-called ‘new entrants’ – who might be workers with a decade of experience – could be paid little more than the UK minimum wage.

    With no cap on numbers coming via the main route from the outset, this is a massive risk that will alarm the 30 million people who want the government to reduce immigration and show belief in young Brits, rather than giving in to the demands of bosses.”

    • Narapoia451MEMBER

      But I thought team Brexit was just doing what was best for Britian, don’t tell me they were just lying so that they enrich their mates? Who.could.have.known?

  25. BoomToBustMEMBER

    Think we could sue employers for failure to provide a safe workplace if we get infected from batflu?