Steve Bannon on Huawei, Hong Kong and “Claws of the Red Dragon”

Steve Bannon on Huawei, Hong Kong, trade war, etc:

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Huawei is the greatest national security threat that America has ever faced—even greater than the threat of nuclear war—according to former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon.

The Chinese company Huawei, the world’s largest telecommunications equipment maker, has close ties to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), Bannon noted, and it is vying for control of 5G, the fifth generation of cellular mobile communications.

“The backbone of the future of technology is 5G,” Bannon said in an interview with The Epoch Times’ program “American Thought Leaders.” “Right now, the path that Huawei’s taking, as a front for the PLA, is to basically take over the networks and the components throughout the world. If we allow this to happen even for a couple more years, Huawei is going to control basically the communications systems of the West, and therefore will be able to control the West.”

Under the laws in communist China, companies have to cooperate with Chinese authorities and grant access to data when asked. U.S. legislators have highlighted the fact that Huawei equipment could be used by Beijing to engage in espionage or disrupt communication networks.

“Huawei has a methodology, a high-tech methodology to basically have domination over the world,” Bannon said. In his view, Huawei expanded its business largely under the radar for years. It now operates in more than 170 countries across the globe and serves more than 3 billion people, according to the Huawei website.

The threat of Huawei is spotlighted in a new film, “Claws of the Red Dragon,” which was executive produced by Bannon. The plot of the film was largely inspired by the 2018 arrest of the chief financial officer of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, who is also the daughter of Huawei’s founder. In the indictments, U.S. prosecutors charged Huawei with stealing trade secrets from T-Mobile and violating sanctions against Iran.

The film calls attention to the intimate relationship between telecom giant Huawei and the CCP and highlights the regime’s hegemonic ambitions.

“People will be shocked when they see it,” Bannon said. The 54-minute film, which will be released in September, is being distributed by New Tang Dynasty Television.

Huawei, Bannon said, isn’t a “fine corporate citizen,” as they would have people believe. Instead, “it’s a branch of the People’s Liberation Army. It’s an intelligence branch.”

Bannon, the former executive chairman of Breitbart, is currently chairman of the Rule of Law Society and co-founder of the Committee on the Present Danger: China. Both organizations focus on the communist China threat to the West, as well as the Chinese regime’s suppression of the Chinese people.

The film, Bannon said, will “cause a lot of controversy. It’s going to cause a lot of conversation. That’s what we want.”

Steve Bannon, former White House Chief Strategist and former executive chairman of Breitbart News, at his home in Washington on Aug. 23, 2019. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)

The Culpability of Corporate America

The indictments of Meng and Huawei speak of decades-long abuses, so “why did both the Bush and the Obama administration kind of look the other way, while investigators at the Department of Justice and other places were pursuing this?” Bannon said.

“Every administration, every president of both political parties,” he said, has “folded when it came into the spotlight with the Chinese” and allowed the Chinese communist regime to freely renege on its promises.

In Bannon’s view, the crux of the problem was the marriage of corporate America and the CCP.

“Here’s the analogy I make: Wall Street is the investor relations department for the Chinese Communist Party, because they’re the ones that raise capital for them. The corporations are the lobbyists,” Bannon said.

“The tragedy and the crime,” in Bannon’s view, are the corporate elites who have knowingly chosen to look the other way in the face of egregious human rights abuses in China.

“They know all of it, and they don’t care.” Involvement with the Chinese regime “means more money. It means higher stock prices. It means lower slave labor [costs],” Bannon said.

“Wall Street’s the cheerleader. And corporate America has been the lobbyist.”

“They have no moral authority. They have totally bought into a system that’s completely corrupt, and they know all about it,” Bannon said. Yet, they “mock Donald Trump and say, oh, he’s the barbarian. He’s the wild man. He’s the disruptor to the system.”

In the end, Bannon said, “the blood and guilt is on their hands,” because they sought to profit from a close relationship with the Chinese ruling regime.

“And it’s the working men and women in the middle class in this country [who] have paid the price,” Bannon said.

“Over the past 20 years, we’ve de-industrialized the United States, and we shipped those manufacturing jobs to China,” Bannon said. And in return, “they sent in the opioids and the fentanyl to go into the old manufacturing areas in Ohio and Pennsylvania and Michigan.” Former manufacturing workers, mired in depression and hopelessness about future job prospects, have been especially vulnerable to this influx of drugs from China.

“This is not just a crisis. It’s a tragedy of the United States,” Bannon said. Wall Street and the corporate elites are “going to be held accountable by history for what went on in this time and place, what went on in China, and what they knew about and looked the other way.”

Donald Trump, the central reason he’s president is this: He said, we have to return America to her former greatness. We have to make America great again. And the way we’re going to do that [is] we’re going to confront the [CCP]. Wall Street has shipped those jobs over there, and I am going to bring them back,” Bannon said.

In Bannon’s view, Trump is the first president to take a strong stance against the Chinese communist regime.

On Aug. 23, Trump raised existing tariffs even higher and ordered U.S. companies to exit China, after Beijing announced retaliatory tariffs on $75 billion of U.S. goods.

It was a “warning shot” to corporate America, Bannon said, to bring their manufacturing supply chains back to the United States.

The move has caused controversy among people who don’t believe the president’s mandate includes the power to order private corporations out of China.

“He does have emergency powers,” enumerated in the National Emergencies Act of 1976, Bannon said. The president has threatened to declare a national emergency to force U.S. businesses to cut ties with China.

Many people don’t have a clear understanding of the ruling Chinese regime, Bannon said. Advocates of free trade, in Bannon’s view, are well-intentioned, but they often “have this kind of soft, gauzy notion that they read in Adam Smith about free trade, not understanding that you have a gangster organization that runs a totalitarian mercantilist state.”

For decades, Americans were made to believe a lie, Bannon said—namely that once China entered the World Trade Organization, received Most Favored Nation status, became wealthier, and started to develop a middle class, then China would gradually democratize and become more of a free market with rule of law.

Yet “we’ve seen the exact opposite. In the past 20 years, the CCP has become more radical,” Bannon said.

“Why is that? Because they have a totalitarian system” where the elite “essentially skims the money off the top.” Bannon said.

“You go to Belgravia, you go to the West End of London—a lot of that is Chinese money,” Bannon said, and “not from the Chinese people, not from the hardworking ‘Old Hundred Names’ that breaks his back every day in a factory for a buck a day. That’s from the elites and the [CCP] that have skimmed the money off the top of the slave labor of China, money-laundered it through banks and investment banks, and bought real estate and hard assets in the West.”

“The Chinese Communist Party is the Frankenstein monster created by the elites in the West—the capital provided by the elites in the West, the technology that’s provided by the elites in the West,” Bannon said.

“At Breitbart, for years, we were talking about the threat of, not a rising China, [but] the threat of the [CCP] and how it’s getting more radicalized over time and how it had hegemonic designs on the world.

“The people of China are some of the most hardworking, decent people on earth. They’re enslaved by a radical totalitarian surveillance state of the Chinese Communist Party and really a radical cadre inside that Communist Party that suppresses, enslaves the Chinese people.”

The nature of the Chinese regime becomes especially clear, in Bannon’s view, in the way the police are treating the Hong Kong protesters.

“When you see the tear gas, you see the beatings, you see the rubber bullets, you see exactly what they are. This is a gangster organization that doesn’t believe in any individual rights,” Bannon said.

“What they’ve done to the Uyghurs, what they’ve done to the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Buddhists, what they’ve done to the Evangelical Christians, what they’ve done to Falun Gong, what they’ve done to the underground Catholic Church is unacceptable,” Bannon said. “These are criminals that don’t abide by any rule of law.”

The Fight for Freedom

“The defining event I believe in the first half of the 21st century is the freedom of the Chinese people,” Bannon said. “I think the freedom of China starts in Hong Kong. I think it’s going to spread from there.

“The people in Hong Kong are among the most orderly and decent folks on earth. If you’ve ever been there, it’s basically a rock island with no resources, that the grit and determination of the Chinese people, coupled with English common law, has created the third-greatest capital market in the world,” Bannon said.

Historically, Hong Kongers have tended to be apolitical and business-focused, in Bannon’s view. Yet now, millions of Hong Kongers have flooded the streets over the past few weeks to protest an extradition bill that would allow the Chinese regime to wantonly extradite Hong Kongers—including dissidents and activists—and sentence them in a Chinese court.

“They’re standing up for freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of speech. They’re free-market capitalists. Many of them are Christians. To me, it’s very motivating to see young people that are not prepared to back down in the face of totalitarian brutality,” Bannon said.

“Those young men and women are exactly what the patriots of 1776 were in the United States. They have the grit, they have the determination, they have the indefatigability. They are not going to back down. They’ve been tear-gassed, they’ve been beaten, they’ve had rubber bullets shot at them, and time and time again, they show up.

“I think they’re heroes of the modern world. I think they deserve to be nominated for and win the Nobel Prize for peace.”

The moment that the CCP decides to stamp out the protests like they did with the Tiananmen pro-democracy protesters, the moment the Chinese regime repeats the Tiananmen Square massacre, Bannon said, “that’s the beginning of the end of the Chinese Communist Party.”

In Bannon’s view, China would be swiftly ostracized and shut off from Western technology and capital markets. But more importantly, he said, “I think even with the firewall, the contagion of freedom will start to spread in China.”

Eventually, Bannon believes, the Chinese people will stand up and say, “‘We’ve had enough of 100,000 people or 50,000 people ruling a country of 1.4 billion and stealing all our money, stealing all our wealth, taking it for themselves, making us live in a totalitarian surveillance state.”

‘A Profile in Courage’

“Only the Chinese people can free the Chinese people,” Bannon said. But people in the West can help by putting the spotlight on the Chinese regime’s brutal persecution of dissidents and religious believers.

The Huawei exposé film, “Claws of the Red Dragon,” seeks to inform people around the world about the opaque inner workings of the Chinese communist state—where major corporations are deeply influenced by the Chinese regime.

In the film, Canadian government officials grapple with whether they should hold the Chinese regime accountable, when doing so could potentially endanger Canadian citizens in China. China arrested two Canadians and charged them with espionage last December, a move that has largely been seen as retaliation for Canada’s arrest of Huawei’s Meng.

“Claws of the Red Dragon” is “a profile in courage,” Bannon said, that highlights the difficult moral dilemmas that ordinary individuals face in confronting a goliath regime like the Chinese Communist Party. It’s a “tense situation where people are making moral trade-offs all the time.”

“I think it’s a very powerful film, and I’m very proud to be associated with it,” Bannon said.

“The pursuit of truth and pursuit of your higher moral self comes at a great cost. It’s just like in Hong Kong. There is a huge cost they are paying. They’re being jailed. They’re being beaten. They are being [told] your careers are ruined, your careers are finished. This is a high cost in the modern society, and yet they refuse to back down,” he said.

“They will rise up to their higher, highest self.”

The only thing I disagree on is what happens if the CCP cracks down on Hong Kong. I agree it will end the period of Chinese globalisation. But I don’t think it will lead to revolution on the mainland. Rather, I see it as the moment that the CCP becomes ultra-nationalist and directs all enmity outwards.

Here’s the Claws of the Red Dragon trailor:

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  1. Surely posting criticism of the CCP, however valid, might reach the point of no return when its by a man of the motive and calibre of Steve Bannon. Get a grip.
    The declining belief in Western civic institutions is being exploited by people like him to encourage surveillance states that are more similar to China than you’re giving him credit for.

    • The declining belief in western civic institutions is directly attributable to the propensity of our politicians, corporate leaders, and media, to sell the punterariat (and their quality of life) out to China. Whether one likes Bannon or not, it is difficult to deny that he has been at the forefront of noting this for the public, of exploiting it as a political phenomena, and lambasting said corporate elites, political players, and mainstream media.

      The main thing i disagree with him about is the extent to which Trump represents an antidote – certainly not the culpability of the ‘elites’ (whether left or right) which he has completely nailed, and which the ‘left’ (or mainstream components of it) is still totally unable to acknowledge (thus explaining its eunuch like presence in contemporary western politics)

  2. “The only thing I disagree on is what happens if the CCP cracks down on Hong Kong. I agree it will end the period of Chinese globalisation. But I don’t think it will lead to revolution on the mainland. Rather, I see it as the moment that the CCP becomes ultra-nationalist and directs all enmity outwards.”

    Yep, agreed.

    Then the Hastie comments about them being like the Nazis may well become too true.

    • Maybe. The goss is that Carrie Lam (and the folks around her) are aligned with the Jiang Zemin faction, who are opposed to Winnie the Pooh.

      The logic is that the majority of Carrie Lam’s actions have provoked the situation, so this is more about who is on top of the flagpole in Beijing as opposed to anything happening in HK per se.

      Simultaneously, other dodgy parts of the internet are reporting that one of the less known flyers on Epsteins plane was Jiang Zemin and an aide, on a specific trip where Clinton was visiting Japan (and stopped after for some R&R at pedo island).

      The belief is that HK is being deliberately stoked to make Xi’s life very hard.

      Hard to know what is actually happening though, so the risk of miscalculation is very high. I guess its a risk on day today 🙂

      • I did wonder if Hong Kong’s resistance was slowing down Xi’s other military plans.

        Or it could be a convenient way of putting tanks on the coast, with the intention of sending them elsewhere – ie Philippines (just a little bit of idle speculation and “what if” on my behalf)

  3. “Donald Trump is the first president to take a strong stance against the Chinese communist regime”

    🔻Donald Trump the first to act on China’s manipulation and theft in trade.✔️

    🔻Donald Trump the first US President to stand between the fascist Chinese regime and offer full US military power to defend Taiwan as well as protection for Japan & South Korea.✔️

    🔻Donald Trump the first world leader to call out the Han Chinese regime’s racist and ideological repression of the Turkastani (Urghur) Muslims while the rest of the world including the Islamic nations were silent.✔️

    🔻Donald Trump – the first to shut down China’s little mad dog North Korea, cultivated, fed & armed by China to be a global thermonuclear ICBM threat during the Obama’s era of dark failure & duplicity in his failed Asian pivot. Kim crawling to the border begging for a peace deal, no more nuclear tests, no more ICBMs. ✔️
    The left wing media having to be content with North Korea loosing off a couple of small short range conventional rockets to keep up their anti Trump attack and their delusional left wing base fed with click-bait.

    🔻Donald Trump the first to restore freedom of the seas in the South China Sea and roll back Chinese imperial aggression. ✔️

    Donald Trump and Bannon warning Australia explicitly repeatedly over the last 2 years that the Australian political parties were hopelessly compromised and corrupted by the Chinese. ✔️

    🔻Warning that the 1.3 million mainland communist Chinese onshore* in Australia are an extensional threat.
    (*of which only 238,000 are citizens, the rest are Chinese mainland born communists sole Chinese passport nationals on PR – sucking up our welfare & Medicare / or a TR on pretext student or other visas – the epi-centre of vice & crime – an entire Hukou slum underclass exported to Australia to live & work illegally) They warned this is a threat to Australia.
    The enemy within.
    Australia colonised and beholden to the Chinese fascist racist national socialist regime.

    Same with our exports – 40% to China, our major trading partner a fascist (it means totalitarian) highly racist repressive aggressive national socialists (Nazi) regime.

    Nationalist Socialism with ‘Chinese characteristics (Xi)


    And yet our effete left wing media and their gullible socialist delusionals all decry Donald Trump.

    And they back this fascist racist ex communist and now Nazi / national socialist Chinese regime.

    • Yes, Mike, and that may all be correct but, to be virtuous is to be great!

      Getting rich by selling out is not a bad gig either 😉

    • I wonder how many apartments Trump’s entities sold to CCP linked members? Trump wouldn’t give a fat rats azz about who buys his real-estate so long as they part with the cash.

    • Have a listen to what Bannon says about those “freedom of navigation” cruises that the yanks do in the South China Sea, from about the 37.20 mark. Only have to listen for half a minute. Very interesting. If it is true. Wow we have already lost cold war mark II.

  4. The Chinese are not hedonistic individualists like Westerner’s are, they’re not going to embrace “liberalism” especially after it has been entirely dis-credited in the West.

  5. Failed Baby Boomer

    Delicious irony; China forces opium-type products to the west, a century after the British forced the opium trade on China!

  6. blacktwin997MEMBER

    Could we get Bannon in as PM? He’s streets ahead of anything we have on offer today (or over the last 15 years or so).

  7. What’s that echo I hear in the chamber?

    It is amazing this flip from Bannon the Trumpoid evil into Bannon the messiah.

  8. I can’t help wondering if anti Huawei stance is also about protecting US business from competition in the 5G space. US businesses don’t like competition. The Glyphosate / Monsanto litigation may be another example. For more than 40 years, Glyphosate was considered safe. Then Monsanto was acquired by Bayer. Suddenly, Glyphosate is considered to be carcinogenic and massive damages claims are now being awarded by US courts.

    • No need to wonder.
      When a game is set that other side cannot win and yet it is winning, the only explanation left is that it is cheating, players are on dope, or that the ball is being tampered with. Add hubris and…

    • The Glyphosate debate has been going on since the late 1970’s with research then showing problems.

      The twist is that Monsanto has never been a highly profitable company despite owning the patents.

  9. Eventually, Bannon believes, the Chinese people will stand up and say, “‘We’ve had enough of 100,000 people or 50,000 people ruling a country of 1.4 billion and stealing all our money, stealing all our wealth, taking it for themselves, making us live in a totalitarian surveillance state.”

    Yet there are more Chinese tourists in the world than from any other country, and they keep going back. The line in the trailer about journalists telling the truth is rich coming from the boss of Breitbart, which by definition exists on the premise that the rest of the mainstream western media tells lies all of the time. MB’s anti-China schtick is reaching Howard Hughes levels of obsession.

    • The German Nazi were also very keen tourists & overseas travellers – who went back.

      And when the Chinese do go offshore / they colonise in ‘Chinese only’ – highly exclusionary & racist fetid Chinese slum enclaves.

      • Even StevenMEMBER

        Not sure about the ‘racist fetid slum enclaves’ part. I think it is natural for groups to seek out like people. I’m sure Greeks, Italians etc would have done the same. The difference is the sheer scale of Chinese immigration which reduces the desire or necessity to integrate.

        And if they are not integrated into ‘Australian society’, are they really Australian?

        NB: if someone can tell me what ‘Australian’ is I’d like to hear it. I think a love of freedom and democracy is a good start though.

        • Not sure about the ‘racist fetid slum enclaves’ part. I think it is natural for groups to seek out like people. I’m sure Greeks, Italians etc would have done the same. The difference is the sheer scale of Chinese immigration which reduces the desire or necessity to integrate.

          Yes, as with most of Mike’s bigoted dribble it doesn’t stand up long when you start looking at the data.


          In a 2004 study on the intermarriage pattern in Australia, the proportion of second-generation Chinese Australians with spouses of Anglo-Celtic ancestry was approximately 21% and for third generation it was 68%.[27]

          Or (you’ll need to search through that for the tables yourself).

          Suffice to say they are no different to, say, the Greeks.

          (Undoubtedly, as he does with the NZ SCV stats, Mike will probably try and claim the makeup of the Chinese population in Australia has completely changed in the last decade or so.)

          NB: if someone can tell me what ‘Australian’ is I’d like to hear it. I think a love of freedom and democracy is a good start though.

          The trouble with this sort of statement is that it’s functionally meaningless, because what people mean when they say “freedom” and “democracy” is subjective. Depending, you could exclude a substantial fraction of native-born Australians of multiple generations (say, anyone who has voted Liberal for the last 10-15 years).

          • Even StevenMEMBER

            Defining any grouping of people on a cultural or like-minded basis is always going to be challenging without asking 1001 questions.

            For me, these qualities resonate: freedom, fairness, mateship, loyalty, toughness, good-humoured, conservative (we’re a little backward).

            But I also think some of these qualities are beginning to disappear. Immigration is likely a factor (the less alike we are, the more selfish we become as concepts such as mutual sacrifice become less relevant: you’d sacrifice for a family member, but would you do the same for an Indian or Chinese immigrant who’s been here two years seeking permanent residency to make money to send home to family? Probably not).

            A general degradation of our political institutions and lack of confidence we have in them had also contributed to an increase in ‘looking afternoon our own patch’ (because no one else will).

            Very sad.

      • This is true. I knew a girl whose family have been in Hyderabad, India for over 200 years and has and she has an Indian passport.

        She was very proud of the fact that she is 100% chinese and no member of her family has ever married into the local community. I asked her what would happen if she met a really lovely handsome indian guy and wanted to get married to him. Her response was an immediate “No, that would never happen” She was slightly shocked at the thought of marrying a non-chinese and the thought of it was disturbing to her. This enclave of Chinese have been inter marrying for the last 200 years to make sure they were “pure chinese”

    • Most naive comment – to be able to travel outside of China, one must have sizable assets declared. Their assets would be seized and other family members be locked up if they do not return. What would you do if you are in their position?

    • That bit was good, but then oppress them which I don’t think we totally understand. Teach them exclusively the CCP version of history. No thanks, we’re not so good either, but anyone who likes the CCP way should go and live there, and while there never step out of line as the consequences are not that good.

    • Even StevenMEMBER

      No country has done more?Maybe Vietnam? Phillipines? Income is rapidly rising in these countries also. That must be the CCP’s influence too?

      Or is it perhaps more simply explained by the fact that capital flows to the lowest cost producer?