Do “quiet Australians” hate the unemployed?

So says ScoMo:

Scott Morrison has emphatically ruled out lifting the $40-a-day rate of Newstart, warning campaigners including Barnaby Joyce they are out of touch with what voters want.

The Prime Minister, who credits “the quiet Australians” with his election victory, said voters want the welfare system to work for taxpayers too.

“I’m not going to lead people on about this. You ask me ‘Are we increasing Newstart?’ Well the answer is ‘No, we are not’,” Mr Morrison told Seven News.

“They believe the best form of welfare is a job and they believe that our welfare system should work as much for taxpayers as it does for those who benefit from it.”

Mr Morrison’s comments follow a growing number of Coalition MPs backing John Howard’s call for the $555-a-fortnight dole payment to be increased.

I don’t know if “quiet Australians” hate the unemployed in the way that the our Christian PM does. What I do know is that their number one representative, Pauline Hanson, doesn’t agree with ScoMo:

Earlier, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson also demanded a boost to the rate.

“Yes, I do,” Senator Hanson told reporters in Canberra on Monday, when asked if she wanted the Newstart allowance raised.

In fact, everybody thinks it’s too low, loud and quiet:

  • Reserve Bank of Australia;
  • Deloitte Access Economics senior partner Chris Richardson;
  • the Business Council of Australia;
  • Former Treasury Secretary, Ken Henry;
  • Professor Peter Saunders from UNSW;
  • Former Liberal leader, John Hewson;
  • Former Prime Minister, John Howard;
  • Liberal senator Arthur Sinodinos;
  • Liberal senator Dean Smith;
  • Business lobbyist, Heather Ridout;
  • independent senator Derryn Hinch;
  • One Nation;
  • Australian Labor Party;
  • The Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS);
  • The Salvation Army;
  • South Australian Council of Social Service (SACOSS); and
  • The Australian Greens.

And for good reason. The Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS) has released a survey of Newstart recipients, which reveals that the overwhelming majority are forced to skip meals:

People who receive Newstart or other allowances have an income that is well below the poverty line. The single rate of Newstart is $282 per week, which is more than $100pw below the poverty line, and less than 40% of the minimum wage. Youth Allowance is even less…

84% of respondents receiving Newstart or Youth Allowance said that they skip meals to save money. The largest proportion of people who responded to this (132 of 416) said that they skipped 3-4 meals each week…

Worryingly, on average, 47% of people skipped more than five meals a week, and 12% said that they skipped more than eight meals per week.

For people on Newstart and other allowances, their income is so low that they must treat food as a discretionary item…

Many reported that they had to go without healthcare and other essentials because of the cost…

Housing costs generally comprise the largest component of people’s budgets…

More than half of respondents (59%) had less than $100pw left over after paying for housing costs, or $14 (or less) a day. 39% were left with $50 or less a week after housing.

Anglicare Australia surveyed 69,000 properties in April 2019 and found that Australia-wide, there were just two properties that would be affordable for a single person without children on Newstart (and receiving Rent Assistance)…

ACOSS is calling for a $75pw increase to allowances, in conjunction with a 30% increase in Commonwealth Rent Assistance to help people in private rentals.

Australia’s unemployment benefits are the lowest in the OECD:

And well below the poverty line:

Remarkably, Prime Minister Scott Morrison last week told Coalition MPs to prioritise raising the Aged Pension, despite the fact that the Aged Pension has received significant increases by comparison:

Show a bit of Christian spirit, ScoMo. There are lots more unemployed on the way.

Comments

  1. You’ve pegged him wrong. He’s the kind of Christian who turned up for the pissup (last supper) – ‘How good is Jesus!’ but was no where to be found at the crucifixition

    • Please! Some of these people see themselves as part of a social group which has little to do with religion. It is about being better than others not following a man who did not believe in possessions, pride or social standing. If they were true believers they would follow Jesus’s message of caring for those less fortunate than yourself. Poking fun at the homeless and poor gives a whiff of superiority to oneself especially when shared with a group of fellow elites.

  2. Raising Newstart doesn’t align with Scummo’s particular brand of happy-clappy “Prosperity Theology.” Giving people a go means they won’t have a go – which means that Sky Daddy won’t save them. He’s just doing God’s work.

  3. Whacko. First the Folau-inspired open season on gays. Now it’s the dole-bludgers’ turn. Are there bag limits, Scotty?

  4. GunnamattaMEMBER

    I hate our bible bashing, tongue talking, staff porking, foreign interest serving, rort maximising, property speculating, ICAC avoiding, s144 non compliant, glib and specious political class.

    Lets pop a probe up the dark side of their fiscal sphinctres

  5. Stewie GriffinMEMBER

    Happy to pay real Aussies the dole – but when 20% of the people who reside here are crush loaded immigrants from shyt hole nations, many with dubious work ethics in and of themselves not to mention the fact that their households are already net consumers of our welfare.

    I’m afraid I no longer have the trust levels required to support raising Newstart…. you just don’t know who your welfare dollar is going to anymore. A two to four year wait for recent arrivals before accessing our welfare simply isn’t long enough in my opinion – maybe after 10 years I’d be a little more sympathetic.

    It is up to the individual now, or the sub community that they identify with, to look after their own now in the EZFKA.

    This is who we are.

    • If they want to hire their own (take a look at IT departments, Woolworths, public service), then they can look after their own too.

    • I have to say, as outrageous as all that sounds. I kind of agree with him. I have never received assistance from the Government, no student allowances, no dole, no nothing. I’ve always been employed and supported myself. That doesn’t mean I don’t think we need a safety net, I do. But there are clearly some people exploiting it and I think making them wait 10 years after arriving is not a bad idea.

      I found myself in Ireland for about 7 years and when I arrived I had just savings, found a job and worked to pay my rent etc.. despite having an Irish passport and potentially being entitled to claim payment from the Government the idea never occurred to me, yet there are some that will come here and rort it and take the mickey out of it, while giving the middle finger to the rest of us.

      • I also agree that “skilled” immigrant must not be given AUS citizenship if they have lived in AUS for less than 10 years. Welfare should be given to Aussies and refugees only – not foreign “students”.

        There needs to be a salary threshold – let them stay if they pay $52k/year income tax to the ATO.

        Poor sods are not rorting Newstart – it is such a tiny fraction of the budget and the fake left is busy giving 90% of the jobs to foreign “students” anyway.

        Other rorts are probably bigger: childcare fraud, negative gearing, franking credits, private school subsidies, GST theft, income tax theft, superannuation theft, and work for the dole (profitable firms getting free labour from the government).

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        Obviously my comments here are tongue in cheek and in reality I do support increasing Newstart.

        That said, under our current non-discriminatory immigration settings we are importing large population groups from around the world that are destine to be forever burdens on our welfare net.

        Some due to the effects of IQ mean reversion in population groups across generations, and the lower median IQ of their population group relative to native born Australians of more European or East Asian heritage.

        Other’s are more to do with cultural values associated with equally large population groups imported from other parts of the world who have totally different cultural attitudes to the use of welfare and the social contract that exists between the uitliser and providers of said welfare.

        https://quillette.com/2019/03/04/how-swedens-blind-altruism-is-harming-migrants/

        In smaller numbers these differences can be over looked, but the simple fact is that as these different groups grow as a percentage of the total population, the differences in attitude and ability are only going to become more and more obvious.

        Under the current immigration ‘Multicultural’ settings, where these said groups are encouraged to retain their cultural identity, it is going to become harder and harder to ignore where our welfare dollars are being spent, relative to the communities that are actually doing the work fund the programs.

        Over time that resentment will result in more and more people expressing the sentiments that I expressed above, and will work to undermine the social security net even further, just as it is doing in other parts of the world, including the famous Nordic welfare net model

        https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-07-10/immigration-forces-sweden-to-re-evaluate-its-welfare-state

        Of course Clownworlders will just say these particular immigrants higher use of welfare is just due to institutional, structural or unconscious racism holding these immigrants back in the first place (they’ll never admit to any biological or cultural factors, unless the cause lands at the feet of white people).

  6. Cut out iPhones junk food tatts drugs smoking etoh and then we can talk

    Plenty of foreigners on bikes doing uber eats etc…

    90 percent of the world there ain’t no centrelink so time to get with it.

  7. Hey ScoMo: you’re election victory was based on handing out tax cuts, and keeping entrenched tax perks and other rentier benefits – NOT suppressing Newstart. THESE are what the “quiet Australians” (read: toxic stoics) actually voted.

    Stop conflating the two.

    And, whilst you’re at it, stop conflating everything you want hencforth with an election victory based on basically nothing other than “gimme” non-policies.

    Wilfullness sure does make make one stupid…

    🙁

  8. Aussies have never been polled on UBI – so perhaps most Aussies want UBI now.

    If Frydenberg is giving out $75 cheques and Rudd gave out $900 cheques, UBI is the same thing but a much bigger amount.

    The dole is lethal and needs to be replaced by a permanent entitlement (GBI):

    More than 2030 people died after receiving a Centrelink debt notice, also known as robo-debt

    Raise the dole and then kill dole recipients? No thanks.

  9. We’ll all be old (or the alternative) one day. We won’t all be unemployed, or sole parents, or any one of a number of other groups.

  10. Consider the following quote I stumbled across that sums up the game in generational terms:

    “If you occupied what was considered the ideological / moral centre ground in 1965, and went to sleep for 50 years and woke up in 2015 you’d find yourself occupying the ideological /moral ‘far right’. You didn’t have to budge one inch ideologically to find yourself there. The whizzing sound you heard was the ideological / cultural centre ground zooming over to the Cultural Marxist hard left.

    Everything that was considered mainstream, obvious, common sense, logical and moral in 1965 is now considered by our political, academic and media elite to be bigoted, ignorant, hateful, xenophobic, racist, extremist and some form of moral abnormality.

    In other words, within the space of 50 years, morality, right, wrong, evil, good, normal, obvious, extreme, sanity, truth, beneficial, dangerous and the instinct for group preservation, has been inverted and stood upside down on its head.

    Never before in the entire course of human history has an entire culture, race and civilisation decided to hand over its lands, social capital, heritage and identities to competing and intruding alien cultures without a fight, and even worse, to evolve an ideology that morally justifies and glorifies it as proof of their moral supremacy.

    European man is in a civilisational death dance.”

    DLS – are there limits to the (supposed) benefits of multiculturalism? Or is it only and ever a good thing?

    With a foreign born population in Melbourne over 35% (2016 census) have we not arrived at the multicultural utopia the progressives have promised? Why must we press on and have more immigration?

    The creation of the new Australia can only occur with the destruction of the existing dominant cultural group, of which you and I are a part. Now in the long run this may turn out well. Indeed, thus far it has.

    But can we be so sure this will continue tomorrow, and the next day and the year after that? In the event it doesn’t is an increasingly divided, fractured society what you want to leave your children? I don’t.

    It seems to me that the modern globalist progressive is nothing more than the turkey quacking ‘diversity’, the day before thanksgiving.

    The paradigm is nationalism v globalism. By all means, continue to critique globalism and its ill effects on Australia – you’re brilliant at it. But how can you fight the dark lord of globalism, if you accept its fundamental, liberal assumptions?

    Let’s say you win the argument, and then what? Australia is returned to the mid-1990s? However, in the same paradigm, within 25 years you’re still going to end up with 2019 (EZFK) Australia.

    The West has reached the point where we can’t effectively critique the system from inside the tent. If you want to join the rebellion and be the Luke Skywalker you deign to be, you’re going to have to join the (nationalist) rebellion.

    Take Italy, Hungary, Trump, Brexit – the political trend is clear, and it’s only moving in one direction. Culture, custom, tradition matter. Identity matters.

    But don’t take my words for it.

    For Aristotle, democracy is possible only within homogenous ethnic groups, while despots have always reign over highly fragmented societies.

    A multi-ethnic society is thus necessarily anti-democratic and chaotic, for it lacks philia, this profound, flesh-and-blood fraternity and citizens. Tyrants and despots divide and rule, they want the City divided by ethnic rivalries. The indispensable condition for ensuring a people’s sovereignty accordingly resides in its unity.

    “Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.”

    http://i.magaimg.net/img/2l1y.png

      • Nicely put.

        Although the implicit appeal – that things would be more normal if we could all just return to 1965 please – rather revealing too.

      • The nationalist right has become the left. That’s the point. We’re in clown world.

        Where is the traditional, national leftist workers party?

        I’d vote for that in a heartbeat. But when the left has become nothing more neo-liberal virtue signalling progressivism and uncapped elderly parental visas – what choice do we have?

        All I’m asking for is the left to recover it’s sense of loyalty to ‘battlers’, for want of a better term.

        As for ‘revealing’ – take the quote as a starting point to the discussion.

        If you want a welfare state in the long term, social cohesion can’t be taken for granted.

        Why did the Nordic welfare states come into existence? Did their homogeneity have anything to do with it?

        What’s the long-term success rate of multicultural societies?

      • If you want a welfare state in the long term, social cohesion can’t be taken for granted.

        It is always odd to see the people preaching division and fomenting conflict, worrying about “social cohesion”.

        Until you realise by “social cohesion” they mean “submission to my beliefs”.

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      In other words, within the space of 50 years, morality, right, wrong, evil, good, normal, obvious, extreme, sanity, truth, beneficial, dangerous and the instinct for group preservation, has been inverted and stood upside down on its head.

      This is, of course, complete bullsh!t.

      The US Civil Rights Act was in 1964. So principles of non-discrimination were already well into mainstream thought.

      And while some people might pine for the days of being able to “convince” their secretary to give them a quick gobby under the desk, force the darkies to sit at the back of the bus and go to separate schools, and go out on an evening poof-bashing session, few today would argue the world we live in today is worse-off because they have been (mostly) eliminated as acceptable behaviour – and even in the 1960s your average punter would not be publicly arguing in their favour.

      The most obvious counter-example to despots only ruling over highly fragmented societies is North Korea.

      The most obvious counter-example to the suggestion only homogenous societies are successful and democratic is – despite its flaws – the USA. But pretty much any western democracy would suffice.

      And none of them are faltering because of too many darkies, they’re faltering because of the staggering greed and systemic corruption within their leaderships (whose “culture” is largely conservative and “european”).

      • Again- point missed.

        It’s a provocative quote – it’s meant to get a few feathers ruffled.

        Granted – none of this is to discredit the societies we live in or the improvement made. It should be celebrated.

        Now, casting forward another 50 years, is another 50 years like the last 50 going to lead to the progressive utopia?

        By closing off any opportunity or critique of our current economic and social paradigm, where do people turn to to alleviate their concerns?

        Is the left offering an alternative? I can’t see it.

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        Yes – because North Korea is such a naturally organically formed society, carved out of the ideologicial chism following WW2 and arising from the ashes of one of the most intensely fought wars of the 20th century, to prove your clownworld views are correct..

        Meanwhile, the US once a far more homogeneous and united society before the impact of the 1965 immigration act, and whose own social decline in so many spectrum curiously commences from around that date, is of course a perfect example of how great diversity and Multiculturalism is.

        Clownworld needs you professor!

      • Again- point missed.

        No, I’m pretty sure the point is clear as soon as the phrase “cultural marxism” is reached.

        It’s a provocative quote – it’s meant to get a few feathers ruffled.

        Er, I guess. In the same way “all men are rapists” is a “provocative quote”.

        Granted – none of this is to discredit the societies we live in or the improvement made. It should be celebrated.

        That quote is *explicitly* discrediting and attacking the societies we live in and the improvements made, as are you by sneering at “progressivism”. And it’s just so comically wrong. Consider post-WW2 ideas like nation-building, jobs for life, unionism, high taxes – these are considered far, far left today, so much so that even parties like the Greens and SAP are cautious of treading there.

        Do you understand that “progressivism” is why you can own property ? Vote without owning land ? Have equality before the law ? Be tried by a jury ? Why you get leave ? Why your employer has to provide a safe working environment ? Why your kids can be guaranteed an education ? Why publicly funded healthcare exists ? Why the dole exists ? Why you can write pretty much anything you want in this forum without fear of being thrown in gaol ?

        It is always equal parts hilarious and depressing to see people who seem to think being “progressive” is just about feminism and gay rights.

        By closing off any opportunity or critique of our current economic and social paradigm, where do people turn to to alleviate their concerns?

        No opportunity is “closed off”. Your premise is broken. That anachronistic (to put it politely) views are no longer socially acceptable is very, very different to them being banned.

  11. I still think the average person looks upon the dole as a payment for nothing, especially those doing well or carrying high debt.

  12. Last night I put on Sky News briefly and watched Peta Credlin in furious agreement with a guest on her show who was claiming there are 1000 jobs going unfilled in the Victorian town of Warrnambool, and they just can’t understand why unemployed people in the cities are on Newstart when they could just make a bee-line for Warrnambool where someone would hire them within five minutes.

    I really do suspect that our politicians (often on both sides!) do seriously believe these sorts of bizarre fantasies of there being oodles of jobs out in the bush with no takers, which would explain why the whole Job Network system seems to function as a punishment regime for the unemployed.

    • Probably 1000 job ads to tick the “labour market testing” box before they import foreigners on $10/week wages.

      If Credlin was serious about getting Aussies into jobs, she would ban foreigners from driving trucks here – so that the truck driving jobs are given to Aussies.

      • I’m struggling to find much at all in Warrnambool advertised on seek.com.au. Perhaps the employers down there are just so certain that they won’t get any applicants at all they have decided to bother not advertising 990 of the 1000 vacant jobs to locals.

  13. social welfare isn’t a career option, people need to be reminded of this time and time again.

  14. ScoMo’s convinced himself that he actually won the election and is now painting himself as the prophet. He did not and is not. The minors won the election and Pauline is their prophet.

    If ScoMo keeps this up he’ll be out on his arse in no time.

  15. reusachtigeMEMBER

    Of course. And they should. The poor and unemployed are leeches and contribute nothing.

  16. @drSmithy

    The good old USA – that glorious ‘melting pot’.

    Ever cared to look at the demographic vote in the 2016 election?

    http://i.imgur.com/cGcgCFc.jpg

    Now, to your arguments.

    1) Every society has its staggeringly greedy and corrupt elites. That’s not the primary issue of concern. If it were, explain to me the difference in the demographic voting patterns, since surely every one, no matter their background, can agree corruption = bad.

    Do you think that two old farmers sharing a drink in the deep south are more concerned about matters of fiscal impropriety than they are at the fact that they’re being demographically replaced?

    I would suspect that if they had to choose their first order problem would be to address the problem – ‘build the wall’ and then ‘drain the swamp’.

    Close the door before you clean the house.

    2) Your analysis is confusing stock and flow. I’d wager, if you were a bureaucrat in NSW’s Environment Department you’d be the bloke telling the punters that there’s nothing to worry about as current water storage levels are above 50 per cent. While at any point in time, things may look good, the underlying trend is what I’m interested in.

    To that end, what happens when the next Dem president gets in, grants amnesty to the (est) 30 million illegal aliens and the state of Texas flips blue. The Repubs will never get back in under the electoral college system.

    How do you think the hitherto largest Republican demographic voting block is going to react to being dispossesed in the country they (largely) built for themselves and their posterity?

    I don’t know, but in a country where there’s more guns than there are citizens, I suspect there’s going to be less diversity unicorns and enriching lollipops than there will be fireworks..

    Happy to be convinced otherwise, would love to get some of that hopium you’re smoking.

    • Every society has its staggeringly greedy and corrupt elites. That’s not the primary issue of concern.

      Yes, it really is the primary issue of concern. Because if you don’t address the people controlling the system, they will direct the outcomes to advantage themselves.

      If it were, explain to me the difference in the demographic voting patterns, since surely every one, no matter their background, can agree corruption = bad.

      Of course they won’t. People who benefit from corruption (especially if they don’t see it as such) have zero problems with it. Exhibit A: everyone in this country making mint off the property bubble.

      Do you think that two old farmers sharing a drink in the deep south are more concerned about matters of fiscal impropriety than they are at the fact that they’re being demographically replaced?

      I think your straw man massacre is off to a good start.

      I would suspect that if they had to choose their first order problem would be to address the problem – ‘build the wall’ and then ‘drain the swamp’.

      I would suspect most of them are interested in minding their own business, doing some honest work, earning a crust, and raising their families.

      Your analysis is confusing stock and flow. I’d wager, if you were a bureaucrat in NSW’s Environment Department you’d be the bloke telling the punters that there’s nothing to worry about as current water storage levels are above 50 per cent. While at any point in time, things may look good, the underlying trend is what I’m interested in.

      To that end, what happens when the next Dem president gets in, grants amnesty to the (est) 30 million illegal aliens and the state of Texas flips blue. The Repubs will never get back in under the electoral college system.

      How do you think the hitherto largest Republican demographic voting block is going to react to being dispossesed in the country they (largely) built for themselves and their posterity?

      Your analysis is confusing bigotry and paranoia with reality.

  17. A true shameless situation. Whereas the pension was indexed to wage growth and unemployment to inflation (CPI?) official inflation figures have flatlined for years. WTF about rental costs, utilities, cost of living food etc.
    The silent poor, destitute and survivalists who could only aspire to be called battlers in this century. A FUCKING DISGRACE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AND BACK UP WHEN YOU COMPARE THEIR PUBLICLY FUNDED SALARIES AND BENEFITS
    THE POLITICIANS OF ALL LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT ARE CULPABLE BOTH PAST AND PRESENT,

    Politicians and public servants should only be on a multiple of the lowest paid in the land. Most of these are adults too and vote or have the right to vote. WHATS WRONG BY INDEXING THEIR PAY TO THE LOWEST IN THE LAND FOR A START

    11
    It made my blood boil when that K*nnt Glenn Stevens was awarded a pay rise that amounted to more than the USA FED BANK GOVERNOR AND THE USA PRESIDENT COMBINED.

  18. Introduce work for the dole, and a cash-card system that doesn’t let it be wasted on drugs, alcohol, porn, etc; plus make people move to where the jobs are, and I’m all for raising it. Jeez, raise it $100 per week if you like.
    If I have to bust my arse to pay taxes, welfare recipients should work to some degree to enjoy it.

    • The jobs are overwhelmingly in our biggest cities. Very hard for someone on newstart to relocate there without assistance.
      Even for rural jobs moving is gonna cost more than most can manage.
      Giving unemployed people a raise in the form of a benefits card for food might be a good compromise, costly to administer however.

  19. nexus789MEMBER

    In the grand scheme of things paying some more benefits is not negative as this income is spent in the economy. Tax avoidance is massively more destructive as that income is removed from the community.