Morrison Government enters terminal crisis

The media line-up of condemnation for Prime Minister Scott Morrison on the weekend was, once again, overwhelming. There is a very simple theme developing in all coverage. The smut crisis began as an alleged specific assault on one woman. The failure to deal with it decisively, humanely and in terms of justice – that is, appropriately –  has exposed the corruption of the entire government. That failed accountability has shifted all anger to the door of the leader.

That’s the first point to make. The second is this. The original event and the leadership failure following are connected in a doom loop. The “don’t ask, don’t tell” attitude of the Morrison Government – embodied entirely in its leader – is what enabled such foul behavior to transpire in Parliament in the first place.

As such, the Morrison Government is self-sabotaging, its leader most of all, and it acts out of its underlying terrors, making them come true. This is a classic symptom of pathological psychology.

To the media line-up then. Peter Hartcher has been terrific on this from the outset and continued to lead the progressive press on the weekend:

  • Morrison shifting Porter and Reynolds to new portfolios is a disaster. They are damaged political goods and it will only serve to remind the public that nothing has been done.
  • Andrew Laming will be allowed to stay and rerun. Another bleeding sore and reminder of failed accountability.
  • Higgin’s latest attack on Morrison for his staff trying to besmirch herself and loved ones means another inquiry to join all other failing inequities and still more bleeding sores.

Laura Tingle focusses on how the Morrison personality disorder has destroyed the policy process:

  • As previous scandals such as ports rost show, the Morrison Government has no policy process.
  • The failure of process is forcing Morrison to lie to parliament.
  • Morrison process is a byzantine misuse of every check and balance to hide rather than excavate the truth.

I will add that the best way, the only way, to drive toxic personalities out of an organisation is to apply a rigid process. It will always blow them up as they self-sabotage for all to see.

Katherine Murphy pointed out the obvious that this week’s empathy rebranding was a failure. But then, it wasn’t designed for anyone except Scott Morrison and the “quiet Australian” women that are more patient with blokey bumbling and sexual misdemeanors (that is, QLDers) than younger generations. Again, absurdly limited.

Crikey commentary maintained the rage wall-to-wall.

The worst commentary piece of the weekend – absolutely not just in progressive media – was by Chip Le Grand who bizarrely argued that the four wankers in parliament are not misogynistic nor a part of the broader abuse of women story because they are gay. In short, we couldn’t possibly conclude that one identity group hates another identity group because that would constitute hate. How the commons has been occupied by such unreason is a question for another day.

Conversely, the conservative press (read Murdoch) is as lost in this debacle as the Government. The balance of coverage was largely negative so the order has clearly come down from the Sun King to hedge his bets. Even the always offensive Joe Hilderbrand turned on Morrison. But, after so many years of exclusive investment in a Liberal brand via culture warfare, both are now completely covered in shit with nowhere to go. Paul Kelly has the nous to see that Morrison is damaged as a man in the eyes of the electorate but spent most of his time attacking Labor and wishing Julia Bishop was back in parliament. Janet Albrechtsen moved on from last week’s scurrilous attack on Porter’s accuser to bogus anger before suggesting that the answer was to bring Smut Queen Gladys Berejikian into federal parliament. Smut is OK for sheilas, apparently.

The trailing scrotum of Murdoch testicles struggled to find any traction given the way forward is a moral centre to which they have no access.

In terms of newsflow across the full media things kept getting worse for Morrison:

  • The Saturday Paper reporter that the police investigation into the Higgins rape is moving into the territory of the cover-up.
  • Deepening Liberal divides, Warren Entsch claimed he sacked the leader of the four wankers in 2012 not Peta Credlin who had, in fact, hired the man. The wankers are now embroiled in a gay porn revenge attack.
  • Pollster Tony Mitchelmore declared that COVID-19 was history and the smut crisis was “starting to define” Morrison.
  • Audio of Morrison admitting failures to 400 staff has been leaked. No doubt deliberately. But is also a failure given no women spoke because, again, it was all about Morrison. The article contains a bunch of quotes from Liberal staffers intent on deserting the sinking ship. A wise choice.
  • Teresa Rein and Lucy Turnbull have gotten together to promote reform.
  • This morning another allegation of harassment has surfaced in the Nats from just last week!

And coming full circle for the purposes of this post, there is this:

A national summit will be convened within months to set new goals to prevent violence against women as Prime Minister Scott Morrison battles a political storm over rape and sexual assault in Parliament and the community.

The summit is expected to hear from community leaders, experts and state governments in a bid to create a national plan that builds on previous deals to fund emergency housing and other help for women and children.

Federal and state ministers will meet after Easter to discuss the timing of the summit as well as the money and policies needed for the next national plan, aiming for a draft agreement by September.

This reminds me of John Hewson’s GST rallies. All this event will do is act as a lightning rod for protest. Worse, Morrison’s disassociated personality will again be placed under intense pressure, and, very likely, his carapace of fake civility will crack again. Or maybe he won’t go and be destroyed that way.

Yet, extraordinarily, that little line-up was not the worst of it. That title goes to the life and trials of card-carrying idiot Andrew Laming MP. Having been exposed as an online stalker of women Thursday and been forced to apologise. On Friday he declared the apology fake on Facebook. Then Saturday he was exposed again, this time for enjoying taking snapshots up women’s dresses. I kid you not.

By Sunday PM Morrison had booked Laming into the rapidly expanding Liberal Party Ward of Canberra Hospital for a holiday with Christain Porter, Linda Reynolds, and the alleged assailant of Britanny Higgins. But that didn’t suffice for two female Morrison Government MPs who outflanked the PM and appeared on the ABC to declare that Laming must go. Next, Josh Frydenberg appeared to declare that Laming would be disendorsed but not until after the next election, obviously because if he was sacked then the Government would lose its majority and need to call a by-election as well.

So, let’s run through the Morrison Government’s inventory of smut as it stands:

  • Thirteen separate unresolved sexual harassment and assault cases.
  • Four wankers making hardcore porn in ministerial offices and undisclosed numbers of gay orgies in parliament.
  • Three dead duck MPs, all of whom are toxic political reminders of alleged abuse, failed accountability, and nothing else.
  • Two people have been fired and one of them was parachuted into another job.
  • A bewildering number of inquiries going nowhere with some beyond Morrison’s control.
  • The PM lying routinely.
  • Female MPs in revolt. Staffers dropping out like flies.
  • A swath of victims throwing daily bombs from an unassailable moral high ground and media mountain.
  • He can’t even go to the footy anymore without making things worse:

  • Damage control strategies as transparent as a turd on glass.
  • Newspoll today held at 52-48 to Labor though Morrison’s approval rating is crashing.

To overcome a problem, first, you have to identify its source. For the Coalition it is Morrison’s personality doom loop. He is pathologically incapable of addressing the crisis in the authentic, and only, terms that can resolve it.

To save itself, the Coalition must install a fresh leader immediately to very openly and publically purge the party of smut and sexism. It is happening anyway via trial by media but without clearing the decks which is the worst-case outcome.

The new leader can then boost a bunch of female MPs and do the national women’s summit as a leader of conscience.

It will still lose the next election. But we are beyond that now. If the Liberal Party doesn’t break out of PM Morrison’s personality doom loop its brand will be destroyed for a generation.

David Llewellyn-Smith

Comments

  1. pfh007.comMEMBER

    “.. It will still lose the next election. But we are beyond that now. If the Liberal Party doesn’t break out of PM Morrison’s personality doom loop its brand will be destroyed for a generation…”

    Generations must be getting shorter.

    I thought that happened when PM Howard lost his seat in the Rudd slide.

    Or when Abbott could not last a full term.

    Or when Turnbuckles imploded months before an election.

    Or when Smerko became leader.

    It’s amazing how long the Liberals can last with an Opposition like the ALP post Bob Hawke.

    And if the ALP do win what are we getting?

    A neoliberal woke Nanny State.

    Yippeeee!

    • kierans777MEMBER

      Hear hear!! The defining component of the LNP being able to not only survive but thrive is the backing they get from the media. DLS can write day after day about how the Morriscum government is going to end but all that matters to me is what the media has learned from this. Have they the kind of self introspection to realise that they are a part of the problem? That they, through their biased and often non factual reporting in the 2019 election delivered this stinking lot back to power? If the LNP brand is destroyed for a generation it’s almost worth them getting reelected as we’ll need a generation to recover from the policies that have gutted the nation, but if the media goes back to it’s LNP shilling ways then nothing, absolutely nothing will save us.

      • You assume that it’s not deliberate on their part?
        The media exists to make money and nothing more. The coalition helps the media and it’s owners make more money.

        • kierans777MEMBER

          Agreed re profit motive. Public interest journalism as we all know is dead, or on terminal life support. Or course the Coalition could have actually done something to fix that with the NMBC but of course Uncle Rupert doesn’t want that.

          However this is a soul searching moment for journalists. Will they be part of the problem or the solution?

          • Pollies are on the same teats as MSM.
            And solution for what. Their goals are not your goals.

  2. Ritualised FormsMEMBER

    A mate of mine had a good idea on the weekend, proposing asking the Chinese for a lease of some of their Xinjiang reeducation facilities for our sudden need for empathy training.

    A sort of empathy bootcamp approach

      • reusachtigeMEMBER

        Not just conservative voters but bloke voters. It doesn’t really matter to anyone other than, well you know the type. The closer to the city centre the more “feminine” they are so they get stirred up by this and most of this type don’t vote for the great Liberal Nationalist Party anyway.

        I’m more determined than ever to give old mate Scomo the vote!

        • Narapoia451MEMBER

          Your response seems to imply that proximity to the city centre correlates with understanding that sexual assault is wrong. I wonder what the cause is.

      • Lol…scommo has the next election locked. He revels in the underdog status. ALP can’t win as they only play defence. They have no leader no vision no capability. Therefore scommo will win by default.

      • Denis413MEMBER

        This from the guy that called it for Beijing Bill so far from the finish line. Guess what, events can happen between now and the next election… This is just white noise. Do voters even care (real voters, not the ones polled), look at USA, they voted Trump despite his misdemeanours/perceived attitude towards women?

  3. turvilleMEMBER

    I mean seriously – what a HUGELY biased article and the supposed rapes and assaults are still “ALLEGATIONS”. These matters are before the right authorities (police in the first instance) and if needs be they will go through the court process. With post Covid (it’s not actually over and certainly not forgotten) and the appalling events happening DAILY in Myanmar, this subject is getting disproportionately more time than it should IMHO. As for these two getting together “Teresa Rein and Lucy Turnbull have gotten together to promote reform: – one is on the arm of the most narcissistic PM ever and the other the wife of the very bitter and twisted Malcolm.

      • What we believe should happen as opposed to what will happen may be different things. I personally believe that no party should be in government too long, else corruption and bad behavior get a chance to root themselves in and each side gets “cocky”. From the recent workplace laws, to the corruption with land deals, etc – all a symptom of a side that has every confidence of their power being retained and hence willing to test the electorate. Personally I think the Liberals are probably due for a rotation given all that has occured but from the talk around me outside media “bubble” chambers I’m still one of the only ones.

        Fear trumps people’s morality usually; sadly this is Maslow’s hierarchy of needs at work. Last election in a marginal suburban electorate had the time to chat with a few suburban people I didn’t know at a function. They all brought up NG/CGT thinking they were scared about their jobs and their mortgages, and these were people who I could tell were not politically engaged at all. Was a little shocked actually. That’s when I realised Labor shot itself in the foot last election big time.

        If they just aimed for a platform of worker/family first – more wages, less migration, more investment into quality of life infrastructure they would of sailed in. The electorate remembers personal fear longer than it remembers scandal – I hope I’m wrong since bad behavior should be punished but colour me cynical. Case in point – Gladys with actual suspicious activity of real large scale money corruption is still popular months later yet I would argue shredding documents and not “wanting to know” are pretty bad faults.

    • Display NameMEMBER

      If this had been labour, the murdoch papers and associated media would have been apoplectic. In fact if it had ONLY been Brittany Higgins under the watch of a Labour PM we would have wall to wall 24Hours coverage in the 72% of MSM that is owned by Murdoch. But in their “mainstream” rags that most people read you had to go to page three to get a small mention of what has been going on in canberra.in their Sunday rags. This is what is limiting the outage. Most people know next to nothing as most the our media, that most people read, does not talk about it.

      The Morrison government is objectively the most corrupt I can recall and this constant mire of sexual abuse is symptomatic. I have never worked in a professional workspace (as opposed to a labouring context) where ANY of this behavior has not been treated with immediate dismissal. I have spent some years at Mac Group and seen a bunch of people dismissed for much less than this. There are no standards with the current government and no accountability.

      Most of the current front bench would have been dismissed in a Hawke ministry.

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        +1 The Morrison government is easily the most morally bankrupt, incompetent, spiteful etc etc blackhole I have had to endure in several decades of voting.

        • RobotSenseiMEMBER

          They are the singularity.

          A singularity of flaming bullsh!t in a dumpster fire in a train wreck in a plane crash.

      • Completely delusional. There’s little else being covered. Legacy Media and MB has found its moral ‘paper’ compass and is covering it more than adequately. Rest assured for every legit tragic story out there, the MSM Media manure wagon will bury it in their own glory.
        I agree MSM are hypocrites, but as per US experience it is not in the way you alleged. You simply can’t touch the Left for its moral bankruptcy, but somehow must live with their courageous smears of others (e.g. Biden, Harris, Cuomo, Hollywood, US Networks – ABC canning Epstein story…, US University institutions and Colleges).

  4. reusachtigeMEMBER

    Nah. I think you are all reading too much into this because of your sick left wing biases. Most people actually don’t give a sh1t about it all and Scomo will lead the great Liberal Nationalist Party to victory again!

    I can’t wait for this to happen just to know how miserable you retards will be!!

  5. This discussion won’t even be around in later second half this year …..We need the right team in to lead us through the biggest financial crisis AUST will have ever dealt with……how to bail restructure the banks, what large corporations to save, small business bankruptcies……it’s going to be possibly 10 to 20x as bad as the GFC….much much worse than the 1930s. Many many people will lose virtually all their wealth, food shortages……

    I know no one believes me until they see it, but you’ll see as we head into Q3 and Q4

    How devastating this is going to be at a societal level will make this “get a real problem”

    Won’t even be discussed

    The problem is we don’t have the calibre of politicians to deal with the problems we will face

    The Q also as we head into the next Great Depression in Q4 will we also have to deal with deadlier COVID or possibly a war

    Let’s hope it’s just depression with minimal food shortages

    Anyway make the most of this year, these matters will be considered trivial ….

    I want to be positive but my feeling is it’s going to be much worse than I’m describing—-.next year is going to be very tough

    • happy valleyMEMBER

      “How devastating this is going to be at a societal level will make this “get a real problem””

      Suggest you get on to Captain Phil and tell him your thoughts on the litres of fuel (ZIRP and QE) the RBA has torched to create the housing price inferno and how you think this contribution will end – calamity?

      • HV

        I honestly can’t believe what they have done…..what is the purpose of it???

        Sorry Cham……but when you told me little homes in Mooralbark Melbourne were selling for $1M, that was it……..

        I hope not to offend anyone…..

        WTF ……..

        and HV I think the property market is about to really go to insane heights.

        We are in the parabolic blow off…….vertical stage of the bubble……..the movements can become completely insane

        I know you all disagree with me …….the RBA will be forced to raise the cash rate by mid year……not out of choice……they’ve let this run too hard……too much liquidity. They will tighten but also bond yields (after a correction here) are headed above 3% possibly 4% this year……….home loan rates will be 4% give or take in H2

      • Did you know where the term black Friday came from ?

        Black Friday, 9 May 1873, The panic of 73…….the bankers confiscated peoples gold and people forced their way into the banks, dragged the bankers out and hung them in the town square.

        Black comes from murdering the bankers

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      If your predictions are correct then I see a massive swing to the ALP coming.
      Not just with Votes at the ballot box but with membership of the Party.
      Currently it only has about 55,000 members. But in a truly dreadful depression I could see people wanting to participate in creating the solutions to such a reality and party membership growing to over half a million.
      1 or 2 million would be better with the rank and file voting, democratically, on all Party policies.
      The Careerist leadership would resist such rank and file Democracy but its in the institutional structure of the Party to allow democratic censure.
      This is why you never see the major parties EVER running recruitment drives as they don’t want to have to answer to a large and active membership base.
      Just enough heads to hand out leaflets on election day and do a bit of door knocking is all they want.
      Reason enough for everyone to join the party they usually vote for and take some responsibility yourself for the oversight of our political system.

      For those that prefer Revolution,
      Id like to quote Chomsky,

      “what you want to do is press the institutions as far as possible to yield to just popular demands and if the population comes to recognise, look it can not be done any more, ok, then you can talk about a revolution but not before.”

      Bcnich paints a very depressing picture with his predictions but in the long run it might be looked back upon as the only thing that saved Democracy as a political system in our world.

      Silver linings and all that.
      https://youtu.be/mLAeNmRwY3I

      • EP

        I don’t want to be depressing……unfortunately we just can’t avoid.

        This is the final blow off insanity in the AUST property market…..I truly didn’t think we would get to this stage but if you study all bubbles it goes insane in the very very last stage.

        This is it into mid year……..the is the final blow off

        It’s a worldwide depression coming in H2…starting in Europe but I really feel AUST will be hit the hardest……our banking system will not survive……0% deposits, home loan rates nearly the same as bond yields…..prices going up $50k per week, (Cham told me yesterday) and some of the prices people are paying sight unseen.

        It’s just billions and trillions of home loan debt sub 2% …….I system won’t cope with 4 or 5% interest rates now at this point.

        I am honestly shocked at what I am hearing…..these is the easiest forecast I have ever made…… pencil in a crash….

        I actually can’t believe they don’t know what they have done…….my feeling Phil knows what’s coming

        Let’s see what happens over the next 3 months…with prices

        Let’s watch and see if prices go vertical Q2

      • reusachtigeMEMBER

        Thankfully I don’t know any of those 55,000 Labor members but I guess some rent from me. They better not tell me because that will mean I find major problems with their rental regime adherence.

      • How about we skip the labor party completely and just get everyone to vote on policy directly?
        It is essentially the same thing, with the same problem set to be solved.

  6. The chattering classes in the inner cities may care about this, but the average punter doesn’t.

    As long as house prices are going up and the ALP are weak as p**s, the LNP retain the benefit of incumbency.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      Most Elections, in countries with 2 party systems, are won on small margins these days.

      Its a result of of the Plutocratic ruling class keeping the plebs nicely divided down the middle with relentless propaganda (the proper word for PR), including all this Identity Politics shyte, with their primary focused on the “winning the minds” of “swing voters”.

      Most rusted on male LNP voters probably won’t swing but I reckon a lot of the Sheilas will.
      It doesn’t have to be a lot of them to tip the Next federal election to the ALP.

      As usual it will be up to a Left leaning party to bail out the country (If bcnich is correct) when the shyte hits the fan.

      • I wouldn’t say the ALP are left leaning in a traditional social democratic sense.

        They’re woke and socially liberal but they’re also full signed up to the same neoliberal, rent seeking, mass immigration model as the LNP.

        • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

          Their leadership is infected with careerism.
          This has them all inculcating the economic ideology of their future corporate benefactors.
          No one should be in parliament more than 1 or 2 terms.

          • I don’t think time in parliament is necessarily the issue.

            It’s time before parliament.

          • “No one should be in parliament more than 1 or 2 terms.”
            So PM and cabinet should be full of “green” MP’s?
            I think that may end up worse than the current situation.

            Edit: novice, not greens.

      • Diogenes the CynicMEMBER

        Ermo I would previously have agreed but we saw huge swings to Labour in the last two WA state elections. So many “rusted on” Liberal voters voted ALP that I question whether this is true anymore. If the Fed ALP had a decent leader I reckon they would have a 10+ point lead and be poised to sweep a stack of seats.

  7. Know IdeaMEMBER

    I suspect Scomo will only give up the PM spot when it is taken from his cold dead hands.

  8. Firstly, let’s get the important stuff addressed: Go Dees and a nice 2.40 payout.

    I didn’t see the Le Grand piece as unfavourably as you and thought he was right to call out Scrotumo (DLS, you need to run with my moniker for him, you’ve already dragged his n$ts into it) for being quick to act on what could easily be framed as revenge p4rn but covering up an alleged – waves at Turville – [email protected]

    Anyway, fun times!

    Every single female LNP member – if they’re serious about respect for women – needs to call for Laming to go right here, right now, even if it pushes them into minority. Otherwise they look like power > women’s safety and respect.

    Actually, the men who speak about respect for women do too – Joshie? Trevor Watts? Warren Entsch? Zimmerman? Anybody? Bueller, Bueller.

    Nope, didn’t think so. Power is more important.

    • happy valleyMEMBER

      And that’s all the great unwashed need and to deserve to know – everything is operational matters and therefore, a matter of “no comment”.

    • Ole Chip Le Grands pieces were pure political hit pieces – my guess is that the wanker was one of his sources and now he is trying to swing the public against the whistleblower:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/BlowingTom

      Check out some of the questions asked by one mate Chip – pure hitjob.

  9. Know IdeaMEMBER

    “… we couldn’t possibly conclude that one identity group hates another identity group because that would constitute hate.”

    From my experience, the sole source of most, if not all, conflict is based upon a limited identity. The whole purpose of identity politics, so far as I can tell, is to promote division, conflict and hate.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      Its a manifestation of the “Lefts” embrace of a radical individualism and narcissism that are themselves a product of unfettered consumerism and the vast industries that accompany it, with no other purpose but to shape people’s minds.

        • It’s actually not.
          Virtue signalling is Smithyian-like beliefs broadcast loud and long to like minded Smithy types and to the broader public so that other Smithies know what a fine, prejudice-free Smithy the original signaller was.
          Virtue signalling is about letting everyone know you don’t suffer from all those hideous phobias (trans/homo/xeno etc) that infest the plebs as a whole.
          You try to co-opt and redefine the term but it is unconvincing.

        • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

          Its the “academics” behind the “intersectional hierarchy of Oppression” that have so damaged Working class Solidarity and made themselves willing tools of plutocracy in the West.

          “Consumer culture has been seen as predicated on the narcissism of small differences to achieve a superficial sense of one’s own uniqueness, an ersatz sense of otherness which is only a mask for an underlying uniformity and sameness”

          “Christopher Hitchens cited the phenomenon when talking about ethno-national conflicts.[9] “In numerous cases of apparently ethno-nationalist conflict, the deepest hatreds are manifested between people who—to most outward appearances—exhibit very few significant distinctions.”

          If all Politics is Identity politics then Politics doesn’t even matter,… only Power does.
          Is that what you mean Smithy?
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            Its the “academics” behind the “intersectional hierarchy of Oppression” that have so damaged Working class Solidarity and made themselves willing tools of plutocracy in the West.

            More word soup.

            “Working class” is an “identity”.

      • Know IdeaMEMBER

        I can appreciate how that conclusion could be reached, but I am not convinced it need be true. It seems to be based on the premise that all politics is ultimately a power play rather than there being any possibility of wishing to achieve the greater good for all. But that may be more a comment as to where our respective minds prefer to dwell.

        In any event, thanks for presenting the proposition. I shall consider it further.

        • drsmithyMEMBER

          I can appreciate how that conclusion could be reached, but I am not convinced it need be true. It seems to be based on the premise that all politics is ultimately a power play rather than there being any possibility of wishing to achieve the greater good for all.

          It is based on the premises that the vast, vast majority of political issues are relevant to only a subset of people – if not necessarily in concept, then almost always in execution – and that improving the lot of one group of people need not (indeed, should not) come at the (meaningful) cost of another group (ie: literally the opposite of what you have assumed).

          There are two ways to look at “identity politics”. It’s either a vapid and meaningless ad hominem intended to shut down or misdirect a discussion (the most common usage), or it describes the reality of basically every political issue we debate (the actual definition).

          • Know IdeaMEMBER

            Even so, as a matter of language, “politics” is unqualified, whereas “identity politics” is not. So it is not axiomatic that they should be congruent, and your arguments do not convince me that they are.

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            I am happy to concede the mathematical possibility that some issues exist which cannot be framed as identity politics.

      • That’s typically not what people mean when they talk about identity politics. Thinking all issues are identity politics is a common trait of the stereotypically “city” crowd which to people with actual day to day issues and day-to-day battles shows them as out of touch. To me identity political issues are ones that are symbolic but don’t require real action other than words and taking “a side” fall into this camp. Those “do gooder” issues that change really nothing and are mostly just semantics to many people. They are issues that create a lot of noise, need a vote, stir up a lot of emotion etc but to the average joe blow they are mostly a distraction that either way that takes away times from actual improvement and/or assistance to non privileged people. They touch a particular “identity/tribe” of society’s beliefs to stir a big emotional response and are often useful for politicians to never solve since they are a great distraction to actually having to govern and can be reused again and again playing to our primitive tribal nature.

        Conversely issues that require strategic planning and good execution, and affect the quality of life most citizens broadly whether local or country wide for most people conversely aren’t identity poltics even if they are political. Saving our rainforests, banning overdevelopment, building housing for homeless, mining taxes would typically be left positions but I’m not sure they are identity politics to most people. Stopping migration as an economic and lifestyle measure on the right side of politics would not be identity politics issue by this definition either. They require action, planning and competent government to manage and execute – the opposite of identity political issues which normally just need a flick of a pen and a symbolic gesture to a particular group.

        When people see blatant corruption affecting the way they live and affecting their area personally and no noise is made, but the usual identity causes creating a lot of noise and even protest movements the average person with the usual issues (e.g. the farmer in the bush, the family in the overpopulating and getting hotter suburbia, lack of job security, etc) feels dismayed and ignored. People say they can deal with both, but the actions of most people say otherwise; in the end most people only have a certain bandwidth to dedicate to political issues and the one with the most marketing/symbolism and least effort to change wins out – that’s identity politics in a nutshell crowding out real issues.

        • That’s typically not what people mean when they talk about identity politics.

          But when “people talk” about “identity politics”, it means whatever they want it to mean at the time to suit their complaint (and people talking about “identity politics” are almost inevitably complaining). Much like say “woke” or its predecessor, “political correctness”.

          Thinking all issues are identity politics is a common trait of the stereotypically “city” crowd which to people with actual day to day issues and day-to-day battles shows them as out of touch.

          To be clear, the point of my pithy comment is more that “identity politics” is typically used as a vapid and meaningless ad hominem intended to shut down or misdirect a discussion, with little to no thought or consistency in definition, and hence is really just a signal from anyone wheeling it out that a) they’re not interested in any sort of productive discussion on whatever-it-is and/or b) they don’t even consider it worth discussing.

          It is less that ‘all issues are identity politics’ and more that ‘identity politics as a criticism is useless’.

          However, to directly address that comment, it’s worth pointing out that the people most frequently accused of “identity politics” in public life are also pretty much the only ones both a) actively giving a damn about the ‘actual day to day issues and battles of normal people’ and b) advocating ways to directly help them. Because the same kinds of people that give a damn about “identity politics” are also the same kinds of people who give a damn about the unemployed/poor/sick/whatever, and the same kinds of people who don’t give a damn about anyone else are the same kinds of people who abuse/denigrate/belittle/undermine those who do.

          Those “do gooder” issues that change really nothing and are mostly just semantics to many people.

          Just because an issue only affects a small number of people, doesn’t mean it’s insignificant. S-S-M was an “identity politics” issue that only really impacted a tiny percentage of the population, but for that tiny percentage of the population, it represented a deep and fundamental principle of equal representation in law. It was “just semantics” to most, but a life-changing difference in legal status to a few.

          Saving our rainforests, banning overdevelopment, building housing for homeless, mining taxes would typically be left positions but I’m not sure they are identity politics to most people.

          Uh, really ? Because a fvckin sh!tload of people who advocate those things are regularly accused of engaging in “identity politics”, both in the media and on this website, primarily because they don’t want to try and fix them in the “correct” way.

          They require action, planning and competent government to manage and execute – the opposite of identity political issues which normally just need a flick of a pen and a symbolic gesture to a particular group.

          Ok, so I think your real definition of an “identity politics” issue is one that can and should be fixed quickly and easily, but is instead excrutiatingly drawn out and used as political fodder. In which case your problem with “identity politics”, doesn’t lie with the people typically being accused of engaging in “identity politics”, it lies with the people preventing the quick and easy fix from being enacted.

          When people see blatant corruption affecting the way they live and affecting their area personally and no noise is made, but the usual identity causes creating a lot of noise and even protest movements the average person with the usual issues (e.g. the farmer in the bush, the family in the overpopulating and getting hotter suburbia, lack of job security, etc) feels dismayed and ignored. People say they can deal with both, but the actions of most people say otherwise; in the end most people only have a certain bandwidth to dedicate to political issues and the one with the most marketing/symbolism and least effort to change wins out – that’s identity politics in a nutshell crowding out real issues.

          That’s not an “identity politics” problem, that’s a media problem. To work from that example, everyone loves to whinge about the Greens engaging in nothing but “identity politics”, but they’ve been trying to get a Federal ICAC up for over a decade – the reason you don’t hear about that is not because they don’t want to tell you about it.

          • We can both be right on this actually smithy. People who do identity politics also talk about other issues sure. The media are also partly to blame for this.

            But none of that changes our definition. As soon as the left mentions an identity politic issue it immediately hides everything else they say. That’s the nature of those issues. It creates so much controversy that actual issues go away, and the media feed on that. It isnt the media fault entirely either; they are a proxy for their end customers – us. The herd/electorate doesn’t have the capacity to handle as many political issues at the time, and identity politics crowd out discussion of what I see as other issues because they are emotional, are lazy (everyone has a pre-canned absolutely right answer), dont require complex solutions if you only consider one tribe of society and everyone has an opinion on them. That’s why they are a great distraction, because generally the herd runs on emotion not on reason. How much air time has this issue got? If it takes a year of political discourse that’s one whole year that we didnt talk about something else.

            Sadly these issues cant be resolved and politicians know this, unlike what you said. They can be solved “quickly and easily” for ome tribe of society, but not for the whole who will think that side broke it and next election it will again need fixing or fine tuning. These are the issues that aren’t safe to talk about at parties. Theres usually a silent majority effect when you simply try to solve it that dont agree with you and put you into electoral wasteland territory.

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            The herd/electorate doesn’t have the capacity to handle as many political issues at the time, and identity politics crowd out discussion of what I see as other issues because they are emotional, are lazy (everyone has a pre-canned absolutely right answer), dont require complex solutions if you only consider one tribe of society and everyone has an opinion on them.

            This is not a problem with “identity politics”, this is a problem with captured media manufacturing controversy and misdirection.

            It’s also not a justification for ignoring “identity politics” issues which, again, are generally fairly Serious Business for the subset of people they are relevant to.

            The correct solution here is not to ditch “identity politics”, it’s to fix media.

            They can be solved “quickly and easily” for ome tribe of society, but not for the whole who will think that side broke it and next election it will again need fixing or fine tuning.

            “Identity politics” issues quickly fall from view once they are no longer usable as distractions. Which is to say, once the (ideally) quick and easy fix is applied and none of the supposedly disastrous consequences eventuate, there’s generally no mileage in revisiting the issue again later, because “identity politics” issues pretty much always deliver a net benefit (usually with no serious drawbacks).

            They most assuredly can be fixed, and this is quite well understood – they are NOT fixed precisely because they allow an easy source of distraction and misdirection when required.

            Again, the kind of marriage that triggers spambot is a textbook example of this – over a decade of massive controversy and predictions of disaster manufactured by the usual suspects, [should have been] a quick and simple fix, and now here we are in the present day where none of the bad things have happened and the idea that rolling it back would get any meaningful support is laughable.

          • I actually don’t buy that smithy. That problem still hasn’t gone away because it never does with these issues; just that the underground tribe is now a different one. To think the problem is “solved” paints your tribe quite clearly – its also why that tribe isn’t in power right now. One battle does not win the war. On that decision doesn’t affect individual lifestyles there won’t be too much complaint. I’m sure a politician could bring that up again and stir up emotions – plenty of people who voted against it and could be stirred up especially if they are in marginal electorates that need to be won. It will probably be on some side issue around it as well like school education, or child rights.

            The truth is while identity politic issues are as you say really important to some, they don’t change much for most people and create a lot more noise than they actually change. In the end most people are living the same lives they did before and nothing materially about the country has gotten better. But that issue did get a lot of air time and it does on side issues as well and was a distraction IMO tried by Turnbull given the party’s issues with him at the time.

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            The problem of *identity politics* – ie: distraction from other things – around that issue is solved. It is done, dusted, and is not going to rear its head again in that way absent an ENORMOUS political shift. Sure, some people might continue grumbling, and oxygen thieves like Bolt or Devine will bring it up when they want to do even less work than usual banging out a sermon, but the political mileage in even discussing – let alone actively seeking – any sort of reversal is nil.

            The same happens with most “identity politics” issues. Even abortion is mostly spent as one. Once the media has given up on creating “identity politics” outrage en masse for something, it’s done, because as we seem to agree, basically all “identity politics” isses are only actually relevant to the people they directly impact, and True Believers. Everyone else is out of sight, out of mind. The “problems” with “identity politics” are manufactured, not real.

    • Identity politics is all about manipulating our “tribal” nature IMO to influence and raise people to your cause. Its to provide a distraction, to take sides and have people “like you”, to create a big emotional response for an issue that requires very little action to solve either way. They require no/little action from governments in terms of strategic planning, good governance and execution but only a decision to support a “particular tribe” and at most “people management” and “symbolic gestures”. They are highly emotionally turbo charged as a result, and a great distraction for politicians to want to be seen as “doing something” when really they aren’t doing anything other than talking and arguing for a particular viewpoint. Even talking about them often gets you judged and placed into a group in society, and it is extremely difficult to have a reasonable debate about them due to the stigma attached to either side by the opposing tribe.

  10. It will still lose the next election.

    I think you underestimate the ability of Labor to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    • I heard Labor was trying to organise a pi$$ up in a brewery. They invited Chinese dignitaries, who haven’t RSVP’d for some strange reasons, so it may not go ahead after all.

    • Ronin8317MEMBER

      If the ALP makes this their big election issue, they’ll lose.

      If the ALP makes JobKeeper to billionaires like Gerald Harvey the election issue, they’ll win.

      • “If the ALP makes JobKeeper to billionaires like Gerald Harvey the election issue, they’ll win.”
        Probably not, because their donations will be pulled, so they won’t be able to advertise, so they can’t make it an election issue…

    • Charles MartinMEMBER

      It’s ok, there is a Labor conference happening tomorrow and Wedenesday where they will outline their agenda.
      They got this, I have the utmost confidence in the Labor machine and its members that they actually listened to the people of Australia after their last defeat and won’t turn the next election campaign into some bleeding heart dumpster fire.

      https://www.alp.org.au/conference2021
      https://www.alp.org.au/media/2355/alp_national_platform_final_draft.pdf (115 pages so be warned.)

  11. happy valleyMEMBER

    “The new leader can then boost a bunch of female MPs and do the national women’s summit as a leader of conscience.”

    And pray tell whom within the LP pollies could they install as PM that could command any respect from the electorate?

  12. That inventory you put together puts it in persprctive. The LNP have been scraping the bottom of the talent barrel for a while. Unfortunately so have Labor. The only thing that with fix things over the longer term is mass participation in politics, and that won’t happen until we get the recession that we have needed for at least 15 years. Moderate people don’t enjoy politics. They just want to get on with their lives and not boss other people around. Thus what you get in positions of power are psychopaths, extremist and other mentally unstable people, and of course the occasional useful idiot.

  13. Scomo referring Laming for awareness training lol. NFI.

    And that leaked party address was a transparently pathetic and obvious attempt to manipulate the electorate that will nevertheless convince a few desperate believers that there is genuine contrition.

    Not convinced the next election is a lost cause for the LNP though. The increasing disillusion with politicians and the major parties in general leaves many voting purely based on self interest.

  14. happy valleyMEMBER

    “Janet Albrechtsen moved on from last week’s scurrilous attack on Porter’s accuser to bogus anger before suggesting that the answer was to bring Smut Queen Gladys Berejlikian into federal parliament.”

    JA is obviously, having a laugh – bring in “gold standard” “several clouds hanging over her head” Gladys to try and dissipate the stench?

    • Mining BoganMEMBER

      Scummo tried to do just that during the ACA train wreck interview with that Grimshaw bloke. It was the only thing not commented on by the MSM.

      Reckon that dead cat might actually be dead.

  15. Caught up with three friends who are liberal voters who follow the MSM, they are usually a good bellwether. General consensus was house prices, how do I get these entertainment vouchers and Scomo can’t be expected to know what is going on everywhere in his government a distant third.

  16. Anne Webster Nationals alleges she was s#xually harrassed on the floor of the Reps (like, WTAF) just last week

    I see that cultural changes is well progressed and has taken firm root amongst its members (oooooh, suit you sir)

    • FUDINTHENUDMEMBER

      The beetrooter has the perfect moral antennae for this stuff – not just having experience rooting his staffers but getting them up the duff out of wedlock and plus cheating on his missus and breaking up the family. Great Aussie Hero!

      “Nor is it gonna keep the Chinese at bay”. The idea that the Libs/Nats are actually trying to “keep the Chinese at bay” when they are, in fact, lining their pockets, and that of their mates, at every opportunity, is plain insulting.

  17. I reckon there’s a bit of an echo chamber here. I can’t think of a more reprehensible bunch of carnts currently in government but would I vote for labor – NFW. Luckily I have a good independent option but most don’t.
    Issues like Chinese influence, woke policies, etc mean those without a good local candidate will will stick with the lesser of two evils and in their mind that is probably who they voted for last time = LNP win but a more and more disengaged populace.

    • kierans777MEMBER

      Given our preferential voting system, who’s going first out the majors for you? Because you can (and I do) vote independents first, but aside from a few seats most Indis won’t get up therefore preferences flow. People who say “I don’t vote [major X] but Y instead” do vote for a major party, just further down the ticket. And as much as the ALP has problems (China, etc) with the severe dysfunction the Liberals are going through would they really be any better on China?

      • Pretty much exactly what I was about to say about voting. The ALP are big Australia, kowtowing a holes who changed the definition of family violence to include “causing fear”. They will never be preferenced ahead of libs on my ticket until the entire generation of “leaders” that were in the Gillard government have been replaced or until they get rid of foreign student work rights.

      • Yep that’s my point. I have an indi as a member (Zali) but the majority don’t and they will just stay as they are because both sides are just being more horrendous but in line with their past behaviours – just doubling down. One side being selfish, hypocritical arsehats who don’t respect anyone but themselves and the other being complete wokester sellouts who wouldn’t know a worker if they ran over one.

    • turvilleMEMBER

      Now that’s a really stupid idea but very much like most of the comments posted here. Must be an extreme left wing group posting this nonsense
      It is happening anyway via trial by media but without clearing the decks which is the worst-case outcome”.- I mean this is exactly what’s happening BUT the majority of people simply don’t read this garbage anyway!!

  18. kierans777MEMBER

    I wonder if we’re not the fools for expecting more from #scottyfrommarketing. The man is floundering. He’s so far out of his depth that he has NFI what to do. So we see him reacting, changing the game plan day after day. Panicking. Trying to sell the message “he’s listening”, but then reverts to his true bully form. But he’s a bad marketing executive. His sackings from Tourism boards demonstrate this. His grubby tactics to get preselected show this. His entire life is built around confected images and spin. So why are we expecting a Churchill when we know we got a real estate agent in charge? Are we the insane ones here?

    • I watched SFM in action late last week during the flood clean-up on the Mid North Coast NSW when he visited my SES unit. Managed to avoid him altogether but when I was watching and listening to him talk, it was obvious that he did not want to be there.

      All he knows is marketing and, as you say, he’s very bad at it. He was at pains to avoid talking to flood-affected people lest there be a repeat of the infamous forced hand-shaking – I reckon he’s praising his God that COVID has necessitated the elbow bump!. His only interaction was an obviously carefully pre-planned meet with some punter who had been moderately impacted by flood and he was filmed carrying a single piece of broken furniture that had been wiped clean for him and dumping it out the front then walking away dusting off his hands. https://www.facebook.com/112028814002781/videos/808734576662840/

      If he went a few hundred metres further down the hill on that same street, he would have been in six inches of mud among completely destroyed houses.

      He didn’t go and see any citizens who were heavily impacted in smaller nearby towns – only turned up at SES units surrounded by uniformed personnel who wouldn’t dare refuse an elbow-bump or ask questions. The social media comments on the videos of him are scathing – and this is in a safe National seat.

      • kierans777MEMBER

        > The social media comments on the videos of him are scathing – and this is in a safe National seat.

        Yes, well the Nationals sold out the bush the moment they became coal huggers. I know so many farmers who hate what the Nationals have become yet I don’t understand why they keep winning elections. 🤷‍♂️

        • drsmithyMEMBER

          Yes, well the Nationals sold out the bush the moment they became coal huggers. I know so many farmers who hate what the Nationals have become yet I don’t understand why they keep winning elections.

          Er, really ? Have you looked at how the alternatives are depicted in the media ? 🙂

          • kierans777MEMBER

            When there are alternatives. Which is part of the problem. It’s good to see SFF get up in NSW just to shake things up a bit.

  19. happy valleyMEMBER

    ” … the rapidly expanding Liberal Party Ward of Canberra Hospital for a holiday with Christain Porter, Linda Reynolds, and the alleged assailant of Britanny Higgins”

    In the past few weeks, I’ve heard it said that the alleged assailant has left Straya? Anyone else hear the same rumour?

  20. Tedblack44MEMBER

    David, you miss the fundamental point that the Conservatives are a “grass roots” party. It is the branches that have installed these timebomb blokes. Morrison is as powerless to address the problem as Turnbull was of switching them to climate change and given his personality disorder where it is all about him and his manipulative style things are coming unstuck because he cannot manipulate the branch attitudes. They are stuck back there with The Monarch, Knighthoods, Men as head of the household, etc…..

    The reform should be to have 50:50 memberships not 50% female quotas.

    • kierans777MEMBER

      Yet you get people like Shady Sukkar parachuted into the local branch, who the local members (so I’ve been told) despise and leak against.

  21. “In a democracy, the people end up with the government and leaders they deserve”
    to paraphrase Joseph De Maistre

    The point is Maistre is not wrong and the events of the last week only serve to highlight how correct this somewhat cynical assessment actually is.

    Scotty from Marketting is a walking joke, could you imagine him handling a real national crises?
    Inept and socially tone death, I don’t know what more to say except the observation that all the proposed changes only serve to further weaken our democracy, which naturally has me referring back to Maistre’s perceptive words
    “In a democracy, the people end up with the government and leaders they deserve”
    I know this is hard to accept but the truth is that we create these outcomes because this fratboy dysfunction is the government that we want. Their focused and contained dysfunction is a distraction from our broader social dysfunction. Their small sh!t show serves to save us from acknowledging own much larger Sh!t show, so maybe that’s the true purpose of representative government.

    • I think it incorrect to imply that we deserve the great Shrivelled Sack, Scrotumo.

      I didn’t vote for him
      Or his party
      Certainly had no agency in the downing of Trumball

      It’s a bit cack handed to write this off as the voters’ fault when we have this kind of Potemkin Agency, manifested in the 3-4 yearly democracy sausage masquerading as representative democracy.

      • well colour me confused,
        My post was about the reality of our political process yet in response you address a specific unsatisfactory outcome.
        who is it that’s really confused?

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      Our Government does not really represent the voting will of the people, it is the product of a system that does a demonstrably poor job of representing that.

  22. Tedblack44MEMBER

    David, you miss the fundamental point that the Conservatives are a “grass roots” party. It is the branches that have installed these timebomb blokes. Morrison is as powerless to address the problem as Turnbull was of switching them to climate change and given his personality disorder where it is all about him and his manipulative style things are coming unstuck because he cannot manipulate the branch attitudes. They are stuck back there with The Monarch, Knighthoods, Men as head of the household, etc…..

  23. Arthur Schopenhauer

    The PM has taken Gunna’s BvllSh!t Party idea and is running hard with it.

    An endless stream of it.