Kevin Rudd’s guide to Aussie treason

Kevin07 on ABC last night:

Apparently, if I represent Kevin07 as kowtowing to Beijing, I work for the Murdoch Press. Only I don’t and I will still condemn his recommended kowtow which is to:

  • encourage and follow a Biden Administration into better China relations;
  • to build coalitions against Chinese trade aggression, and
  • agree with Bejing to bury discussion of all disagreements.

The ABC seems to agree wholeheartedly with these steps, constantly highlighting the need for Australian trade to China to be restored when, in fact, our businesses should simply be moving on to other markets. The example provided by Leigh Sales of a wine exporter 95% dependent on China should, frankly, suffer for letting such market concentration transpire in his business.

Of Kevin07’s three steps only one makes sense. Coalition building, absolutely.

But we should not be encouraging the Biden Administration to make friends with China nor riding its coattails into a resumption of trade with our points of substantial difference buried from public view.

That is simply a return to the pre-2017 formula that was self-evidently unsustainable because:

  • it resulted in mass bribery of Aussie elites, especially the ALP;
  • it removes the sunlight that has exposed this to the Aussie public, a self-evidently stupid idea, and
  • it allows China to resume its ongoing purchase of Australian institutions via investment and mass immigration.

The facts of the matter are these. Before 2011 and Xi Jinping, selling dirt to a liberalising China made national interest sense for Australia. After 2011 and Xi Jinping, selling Australia’s services economy and politics to an illberalising China makes no national interest sense.

In short, Kevin07 has it completely backwards. The problem is not with how we address the issues, it is with the incompatible underlying interests. It’s taken a while for the broken structure to manifest but now it has there is no going back. There is no relationship to have on current terms, we need to accept it, and to move on economically.

If you’re wondering how it is that Labor has managed to so fuck up its China position that it is now daily committing a kind of rhetorical treason, such that it is entirely unelectable for however long it persists, then the unreason of Kevin07 is a good place to start.

David Llewellyn-Smith
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  1. People need to chill out a bit, too, and get some perspective: trade with China will not stop, not will it become insubstantial – it will just reduce to a level more comparable with our other trading partners. There’s nothing wrong with this, other than people not coping with a boom time revenue being temporary and unsustainable, therefore unwise to build a business and nation around long-term.

    This adjustment should have happened at some point, in some manner, and this is just how things have transpired because China’s government are a mafia who wants most things on their terms.

  2. pfh007.comMEMBER

    It has been interesting watching Twitter progressives jump in the hot tub with 3d1k.

    A most unusual coalition.

    Progressives who hate coal and dirty dirt exports at any other time and business shills who would sell their own grandmothers for some shiny hub caps.

  3. Ronin8317MEMBER

    Biden is not going to be soft on China. Maybe he won’t put back the tariff, but the US 7th Fleet is going to be busy in South China Sea.

  4. Kevin really was Australia’s worst PM post-WW2 and that’s up against some pretty mediocre people like Whitlam

    • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

      absolutely, worst PM in living memory, i thought Scummo would beat him but no, Krudd is the worst.

      • TailorTrashMEMBER

        Wasn’t it Kevin who thought it would be a good idea to open up the homes of Australia’s children to a billion and a half Chinese and stood back as they swarmed
        over those homes ….
        how to tell him to fcuk off in mandarin …

      • Just my $0.02c worth, but I’d rate the rodent John Howard as the worst PM ever. He started the housing Ponzi and the immigration invasion. Those who followed him were just pale imitations of the Howard genius for fcking things up for 95% of us to benefit his rich mates.

      • LoL – wanted to see if I got a rise out of someone 🙂

        Hey, Im in a good mood and wanted to be cheeky… actually, I think Abbott must come pretty close…

    • Agreed Kevin07 remains worst PM of all time. He was never up to the job of PM, made himself a bottleneck in his own government and tried to micromanage everything, which left him no capacity to deal quickly with genuine crises when they came along, which is what PMs actually need to do!
      And once he was rightfully deposed, he spent the next 3 years knifing his successor until he replaced her, and then failed so dramatically he made Tony Abbott electable.
      I have to say that it’s a measure of Australia’s PMs since Howard that none of them on either side are particularly good and both Rudd and Abbott shortlist themselves into the “worst since Federation” list.

  5. I thought it reasonably measured. (Considering his biases )
    He mentioned all Tiananmen for starters.

  6. I’d post a comment but my comments get special attention and disappear in thin air for blasphemy and dissent

    How about a change a tune and say: to hell with CCP/Putin/Assad! we should punish them and not sell them Iron Ore at all so XI cannot rule with that Iron Fist any more

  7. haimona12MEMBER

    I didn’t see a kowtow at all. In addition to mentioning the 1989 massacre, he made the obvious points – a) build a coalition with like minded countries especially the US b) put away the megaphone and return to the proper diplomatic channels. Rudd made the basic and obvious point that a PM shouldn’t be engaging directly with actions by an MFAPRC bureaucrat – that should be done by DFAT. Morrison stuffed up, not the ALP.

    • TailorTrashMEMBER

      Agree …should have this addressed by some very junior
      diplomat …well below the rank of the wolf wanker
      ……they hate that …..status is so important

    • WobbegongMEMBER

      Agree. K Rudd made a lot of sense. In order to make his case DLS totally misrepresented KR’s points 1&3. Point one was a “restabilisation of relationships” this is not a ‘normalisation’.KR made the point that this can’t really happen unless the US seeks to stabilise the relationship and that in that stabilisation process the government needs to make sure that Australia’s interest are not traded away. Point 3 was “Put the megaphone away and use normal diplomatic processes and procedures” This is not to ‘bury discussion’ it is to actually have the discussion, yelling over twitter and through the media is not a strategy.
      It seems that the MB position is to walk away from China completely. This is just not in Australia’s interests. Our geography places us in SE Asia. We can’t walk away from that. We need regional stability and that starts with trade stability. If we walk away on trade then we essentially walk away on security. K Rudds strategy is to build a coalition as a united front, use country to country diplomacy to prosecute the national position rather than through announcement through Insiders or The Australian.

    • Agree. Rudd’s point were not as DLS has chosen to categorise them.
      He said:
      – Coalition build
      – Get a strategy on China and not just an attitude
      – Stop mouthing off so much. Get smarter about PR.

      Very sensible advice.

      • Meh. You guys miss the point. Or maybe I was not clear enough. The CCP has made plain what Kevin07’s engagement means and it is go back to status quo kow tow whether he knows it or not. I haven’t misrepresented jack. There is no “strategy” to have pther than resistence or capitulation. Go read the 14 conditions.

        As for the MB view on China. It is to get as far away from it as quickly as possible and take as many nations with us as we can.

        • With all due respect, you are throwing the word treason around far too freely and I think the core point Kevin has made is to take the public chest thumping out of the equation. There have been opportunities to do this in the past and his core point about being mature about the power shift occurring is probably worth listening to. He has basically agreed with a lot of the concerns you have raised, called Beijing hypocritical and contrasted how we handled the war crimes in Afghanistan with the CCP’s handling of the Tiananmen massacre. Treason you say?
          Lets be clear, I dislike the CCP even more than I dislike Kevin, and that’s saying a lot. We do need to stand up to China but, there have been times we have dealt with issues clumsily. For example, we could have framed the introduction of the foreign interference laws far better than we did. Why mention China when you can simply say it’s aimed at all foreign agents of influence. Time to stand up for ourselves but, lets do so with a bit of measured class. No need to descend into our own brand of “wolf-warrior” BS.

        • David, I do feel you have swallowed the red pill this time. Stand up for our rights absolutely but you need to be a bit realistic about what a tin pot country Australia is just have a look at our trade composition and major trading nation for our exports. We have allowed this to happen over many years and multiple governments China did not hold a gun to our heads and say hollow the fork out of your economic capability and make virtually nothing anymore. That was decisions made by Australians often of an economic persuasion indoctrinated in the Neoliberal BS thinking! Possibly what MB was cheering on like kill off the car industry actual productive capacity to be replaced with what more ponzi housing and parasites in the super industry which I do see MB suckling at the teat nicely! The old creative destruction BS indoctrinating economic academia it appears. A bit more nuance David would go a long way.

        • Of course there’s a strategy. Resistance v’s Capitulation is way too binary. You can have a strategy to try to maintain critical export income to China in some area while you work to divert your dependance in other areas. Just to pull the plug on China risks destabilising the economy when it is already weakened. Take the time to build the reserves and establish new relationships before cutting the tether. Your approach is a knee-jerk approach that does not seek to limit damage..

  8. Someone ElseMEMBER

    What do these CCP-apologists get up to in China? It seems every one who has been to china comes back prosthelytising. Drugs? Little girls? Little boys?

    • I get a sandwich with cold turkey and orange juice on weekdays 9-17h and on weekends we get a Euro-Combo meal: burger and beers.
      Oh, and a tap on shoulder by the Big X on public holidays!
      I wonder what the other side gets for opposite work…

  9. Charles MartinMEMBER

    Here we go again, Kevin offering an opinion that isn’t wanted or needed.
    Just fvck right off Kevin, if we the Australian people need you, we’ll find you.

    • Jumping jack flash

      Its amazing how all the politicians finally find their voice long after it is relevant, and long after they’re in the hot seat where they can actually make a difference. I’m expecting Hewson to chime in soon.

      Talk is cheap.

  10. bolstroodMEMBER

    I listened to theRudd interview and was impressed with his lucidity and ideas.
    I found myself wanting more of this sort of Television.
    It was the first time in a very long time that a (ex) politician sounded informed and genuine.
    If we do not trade with China what is the alternative ?
    History’s answer is war.

    • Kevin was making quaffing hemlock sound nice. It’s all so reasoinable. We just need to chat behind closed doors. Trust me. It will all be fine.

      Ecept it won’t. China will buy Kevin and freinds (again) and our kids will be off to the gulag.

      • bolstroodMEMBER

        Swallowing your pride ( when there is no alternative)
        bidding your time until our major ally’s post electoral inhibitedness expires.

        • Even StevenMEMBER

          No. China respects only strength. Australia has shown it won’t be cowed by calling out it’s disgraceful actions which constituted a blatant insult.

          Swallow our pride? I suspect we’d be swallowing a lot more than that when we’re on our knees.

  11. Have you noticed how Leigh Sales, after doing a ‘tough’ interview, has to have the next night, or two nights off, to recuperate?

    She needs to be replaced if she isn’t up to the job.

  12. Kevin and Malcolm. Too sure of their own ‘intellect’ for their own good. K Rudd the worst in my mind. His brain farts on NBN (making it political rather than a business – seriously hooking up marginal seats like Tamworth and Tasmania before SYD / MEL??), big spending when China had our back anyways and the general stuff up that Fed programs like Pink Batts and NDIS just show you this …

  13. Send Rudd over there seeing he likes it so much, special envoy for taking it up the clacker. He can wax lyrically in Mandarin the sounds of a CCP rogering.

  14. “…our businesses should simply be moving on to other markets.”

    Do you think they wouldn’t be doing that already if they could?

      • I’m saying if these industries could be making money from other markets, they already would’ve been. They didn’t trade with China in the first place because of their love of the country’s politics, right?