How to fight a treasonous ABC

The ABC has made an extraordinary editorial decision to support the CCP in its attack on Australia. I cannot emphasise enough how outrageous this is. Taxpayer dollars are now being recycled as a propaganda campaign to end freedom for taxpayers. Needless to say, this is an unprecedented collapse of journalistic ethics at Australia’s national broadcaster.

I’m not sure how to fix what’s gone wrong at the ABC. The old hands are gone. The young blood is an infusion of post-modern dishwater. The economic coverage has slipped from centrist to trickle-down and, generally speaking, the intellectual heft of the broadcaster has drained away, with Ita Buttrose only the latest to pull the plug.

For a great example, check out the weak-kneed schlock spouted on a live ABC forum yesterday recommending every form of kowtow to China imaginable. I, and several MB readers, asked the live blog many pointed questions none of which saw the light of day.

Yet, it is possible to change ABC coverage in the short term. There is nothing that ABC editors hate more than complaints (even more than they do Australia).

So, my recommendation to MB readers concerned about the biases on display in the ABC’s coverage of the Chinese attack on Australia is to inundate the place with the following questions and complaints:

Section 8 of the ABC Act lays out that ABC reporting should be “accurate and impartial according to the recognised standards of objective journalism”. Yet ABC coverage of the China trade war on Australia has focussed almost entirely upon those negatively impacted with little or no reference to why Australia has chosen to resist CCP coercion.

The ABC has consistently produced news items that quote from conflicted business lobbies whose members are impacted by Chinese blockades without any counter-arguments or voices, such as that giving in to the CCP will increase its demands, inpacting ever more Australian trade and democratic principal.

As well, ABC journalistic commentary has universally recommended kowtowing and surrender via Stan Grant, Laura Tingle, Geoff Raby, Hugh White and James Laurenceson (with little or no disclosure of conflicts of interest) while other China-sympathetic journalists like Bang Xiao and Stephen Dziedzic have been misrepresented as experts on China, diplomacy and economics.

It is clearly the CCP plan to drip tariffs onto Australia over time to maximise the media pressure on the Australian Government to surrender to the ’14 grievances’ leaked to the Nine press. These include a demand to muzzle any and all criticism of China in the Australian press. How does the ABC reconcile the Act with its own pro-China trade war coverage in this context?

Demand answers from the director of news, Gavin Morris, as well as the head of online news. Put your complaint in here.

The more the better.

Inundate!

David Llewellyn-Smith
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Comments

  1. Good luck with that. How did it work out for criticism of neoliberalism?

    That’s what I thought.

  2. The trouble with bringing a charge of treason against the ABC is that they couldn’t rightly say they understood the charge against them, being that they have no sense of national identity.

    • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

      Lol – true.

      This is just a political squabble between two ethnic and cultural groups in the beautiful MultiCult tapestry that is EZFKA.

  3. Maybe the heresy of implementing a subscription system?

    For anything but basic news and weather and Cape York has been invaded.

    • This is a reasonable comment from Stan “Like it or not China is a big power, we need to understand it to strengthen ourselves.” But when the commentary is coloured with a foregone belief that China was “…the apex of global power…” in a bygone era it brings into question its validity. Can anyone explain when it was before the modern era that China was anything other than an Asian power and it is certainly not the apex at the moment.

        • Even if you include the Mongols or whenever China was previously at its greatest, the phraseology is just plain wrong. I can understand if the contention is that China was the greatest power in the world at a particular time but at no stage was China the global power, China has never had dominion over the world yet when the words RETURN TO and APEX OF are added to GLOBAL POWER you would think China once ruled the world and now China has a birthright to again rule the world. The CCP is spreading this propaganda so that their own people believe it and others are unwittingly peddling the lies.

          • Over 3 generations, from Ghengis to Kubalai Khan the Mongols took the Xi and Chin empires, the Persian empire, vast portions of Russia even into Poland and Central Europe, northern India ,Afghanistan and central Asia.
            Not the whole world , but a very substantial chunk of it.
            It is interesting to speculate that if the armies of Kubalai had met Napoleans Grand Armee what would have been the result.
            The Mongols were entirely horse archers who had a composite bow that was 6 times the effective range of a 18th centuary musket and could be fired 3 times for each musket shot. The Mongols used their bows at full gallop and carried 100 arrows per man , their accuracy was astonishing and there were hundreds of thousands of them.

          • “who had a composite bow that was 6 times the effective range of a 18th centuary musket ”
            Got a source for that particular fact?

          • Bolstrood, I won’t dispute what you say but would add that an army that harassed and intimidated maybe 20 or 25% of the worlds population at times is not global dominion which is very unlike what could happen in the modern age. Communication for a start took months to get from one side of the “empire” to another. Those conquests are insignificant to current times where messages are instant, power to cut funds off to individuals exist, surveillance of individuals in population masses is possible, economic coercion of millions at a time happens, WMD’s exist, etc.

            The power that the CCP wields now is arguably a greater power than a Chinese state (albeit a China under control of the Mongols coming a different land) has ever had any control over. The current dominion is also roughly the same percentage of the world’s population that it supposedly controlled at its peak.

    • chuckmuscleMEMBER

      I think you are right. Would love to understand his thought process on the issue. To my knowledge he is a big advocate for Indigenous issues (great), but cannot understand how he thinks the CCP treatment of Indigenous people would be better in any way? Or maybe I am way off the mark and asking the wrong question?

  4. The easiest way to change the ABC is to decentralize it. Make Stan Grant move to Dubbo if he wants to continue at the ABC.

  5. GunnamattaMEMBER

    It isnt just on China, the ABC, noticeably under Ita Butrose, has drifted towards a the right wing way of seeing things across the board.

    • Long live Norman Swan. Look, the ABC is just the tip of the iceberg. Call it woke-ism, political correctness, virtue signalling, identity politics, or “left modernism” generally. Outside of black swans like COVID, narrative beats facts.

      It’s pro forma that the “Right” wants to sell us out. It’s pro forma that the “Left” will support them. In those senses, little bitty Morrison’s pushback against big ole China is healthy, and Labor is badly exposed.

    • It’s almost as though she was employed for exactly that outlook…
      and as such complaints will mean nothing. All that matters is the opinions of those with the power to hire and fire.

  6. happy valleyMEMBER

    ” … with Ita Buttrose only the latest to pull the plug”

    Wasn’t Ita Scotty The Impaler’s captain’s pick as Chair and accordingly, that was telling us something?

    Anyway, when Labor bequeaths us as their legacy after their wipeout in both houses in the next federal election, the LNP dictatorship “we have to have”, live streaming 24/7 of AJ and the rest of the Sky after Dark crew and daily reading of the rags of Chairman Rup will possibly become mandatory?

  7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V67r48_4Ol4
    A frank and succinct speech outlining the left woke Feminazi harpies that are destroying Europe and do the same in this country.
    Where as i see a European response pushing back the invading immigration tide at some point, i doubt it will ever happen here.
    This country is moving to its inevitable destruction.
    What could help us if Nazi china threatens to invade us.
    That would expose the traitors starkly and send the rats scurrying from the sinking ship.

    • Even military threats against us, if given a bit of a pretext, would still see the apologists telling us we lack deep knowledge of China and asking us to see events from their perspective .

    • What could help us if Nazi china threatens to invade us.

      You know your girl there is preaching nazi propaganda (“Cultural Marxism” – ie: “it’s the J3wz !”) at a forum for a Dutch Political Party rife with neo-nazis, right ?

      • Well they definitely are a right wing populist movement. they got rid of multiple members this year because of anit-sematism activities. But they won significant seats at the last provincial elections. No doubt they have neo nazis in the ranks just like the republicans do, just like liberals do and one nation do. But this is what you get when the left wing feminazi woke movement spreads its ugly tentacles to subvert a country culture and stability. Its why president buffoon still got 10s of millions of votes even after decimating the population with his incompetence. The message of that young lady will resonate with millions through out Europe, and america and here.
        But what other political party is there that expresses the concern all these people have about the countries future.
        Because the left inst giving their concerns any credence and condemns them for even expressing it.

  8. I’m not submitting a complaint because I stopped watching the ABC a long time ago. What I am submitting today are the reasons why.

  9. On the subject of China, here’s a list of Chinese-owned Australian wineries. Depending on your viewpoint you might want to choose other tipple:

    South Australia:

    Auswan Creek (Barossa) 包括以下品牌
    Peacock Series
    Blue Lobster
    Inspire Estate
    Red Deer Station
    Finders and Seekers
    Linwood Estate
    EI8HT Basket
    Auskoala
    Burge Family Wine (Barossa)
    Château Yaldara (Barossa)
    Cimicky (Barossa)
    Green Dragon (Barossa)
    Greenock Creek (Barossa)
    Hemera Estate formerly Ross Estate (Barossa)
    Max’s Vineyard (Barossa)
    Reis Creek (Barossa)
    1847 Wine (Barossa)
    Kilikanoon (Clare Valley)
    Knappstein Winery (Clare Valley)
    Hollick (Coonawarra)
    Belvidere Winery (Langhorne Creek)
    Project Wine (Langhorne Creek)

    New South Wales:

    Allandale Estate (Hunter Valley)
    Capercaillie Wine (Hunter Valley)

    VICTORIA

    Lake Cooper Estate (Heathcote)
    Badger’s Brook (Yarra Valley)
    Greenstone (Yarra Valley)
    Handpicked Wine (Mornington, Yarra Valley)
    Helen & Joey (Yarra Valley)
    Hillcrest Winery (Yarra Valley)
    Lilydale Estate (Yarra Valley)
    Pettavel (Geelong)
    Seville Estate (Yarra Valley)
    Storm Ridge (Yarra Valley)
    Sunshine Creek (Yarra Valley)
    Wild Cattle Creek (Yarra Valley)
    Barmah Winery (Mornington Peninsula)

    Tasmania:

    Nocton Vineyard (Coal Valley)
    Western Australia:
    Ferngrove (Frankland)
    Palinda Wines (Margaret River)

    • truthisfashionable

      I am disappointed to only now find out that Burge, Knappstein and Hollick are foreign owned, will be avoiding them in the future.

      Also, this list is posted on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/590082
      Second highest voted comment is “Boycotting foreign owned business will directly impact local jobs.” I would love to know if this is true for those wineries or have they all brought in a majority of their ‘own’ staff.

      • The Aussie workers can go to the Aussie owned wineries when they have an untick in demand. And/Or buy out the Chinese ones when they devalue.

      • Some of them are only minority Chinese owned, I believe, and do employ Aussies, only the large majority owned should be targeted

    • This is where we need an app to scan wine barcodes in the shop and it tells us % of Aus ownership / % Aus made etc.

      Do it for lots of products.

      Would like to do it but got enough on the plate already.

      Safe option last night was Coopers.

    • They listed only TWO winery in NSW? How can that be the case?

      On a more serious note, you are now liable for libel if it turns out there is no Chinese ownership, along with all the consequences that comes with it. That’s why people only post links rather than writing down the list.

    • Thanks.
      Knappstein is now off my list.
      Greenstone though is owned by the Melbourne Jiang family – are they Aussie Chinese? If so I don’t have a problem with them. But if they are ultimately puppets for the CCP then they are gone too

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Nope. It reflects the view of every single person I know across many demographics.

      You are an extreme outlier on the bell curve.

      If you don’t consider it as such, how do you describe today’s ABC?

      • I’d call it a recognition of that fact that there a differing opinions on how to deal with the China situation, and there is validity in listening to them all. Being hairy-chested is not the only way of going about this you know. Whilst it appeals to the masses and gets their dander up, it leaves very little room to manoeuvre.

        Your call to slap tariffs on Iron Ore hasn’t happened yet. Given any though as to why? I’d say it’s because that’d be ratcheting up the tensions even more and the government, whilst having its fair share of cowboys in its ranks, also has some cooler heads.
        The positions you’ve been advocating are either on the leading edge or the extreme edge depending on your point of view, but suggesting that the ABC is somehow treasonous because it’s not right there with you on that edge is quite frankly ridiculous.

        I don’t disagree at all with your position vis-a-vis China, but using language such as ‘treason’ suggests to me a rhetorical decline into Alan Jones territory, and that old chap. Is where you lose me.

        • Yeah listening to all different view points is what ABC is getting paid to do by the tax payer under section 8 of the ABC act. If you havent read the complaint, it makes reference to the law that demands this to be the case for ABC. So to your point exactly, why is ABC not reporting on all sides of the argument and only reporting on the pro chuna stance in direct non compliance of section 8 of the ABC act?

          • TheLambKingMEMBER

            My point is not to shut the ABC down. It is to open it up. It is actively editing out any view that supports resistance to the CCP war.

            That is propaganda and treason.

            But actively trying to interfere with the editorial content of the ABC you are just noise adding to the LNP/IPA agenda to shut it down. Yes, the ABC is not perfect, but it has a charter and a board that are used to correct bias and agendas. Let that process work.

            I think you have been watching too much Sky after dark.

          • The charter is irrelevant, unless those with the power to hire and fire say it is. What matters is the culture of senior management, and how that is trickled down. Now who appoints the board and senior management?

        • + 10000
          The alternative MSM news sources are worse.

          A cynic would think it is paid trolling of the ABC. What is current IPA/ RupNews policy?

        • I don’t disagree at all with your position vis-a-vis China, but using language such as ‘treason’ suggests to me a rhetorical decline into Alan Jones territory, and that old chap. Is where you lose me.

          +1

          The language above will only get your “complaints” up on the cranks board or in the bin.

          It is disappointing to watch MB’s spiral into polarising clickbait.

          • It is the financial reality that brings you todays media landscape. People are no longer willing to pay what quality journalism costs.
            The irony of complaining about it while undertaking it? Priceless…

          • TheLambKingMEMBER

            I don’t disagree at all with your position vis-a-vis China, but using language such as ‘treason’ suggests to me a rhetorical decline into Alan Jones territory, and that old chap. Is where you lose me.

            +1

            The language above will only get your “complaints” up on the cranks board or in the bin.

            It is disappointing to watch MB’s spiral into polarising clickbait.

            This exactly. The boards position on this is so far on the edge that it embarrassing. International diplomacy is hard. International relationships are hard. Reporting on it is hard.

            Anyone who suggests that the ABC is treasonous or needs to be shut down may as well get a spot with the other RWNJ’s on Sky After Dark.

        • I don’t disagree at all with your position vis-a-vis China, but using language such as ‘treason’ suggests to me a rhetorical decline into Alan Jones territory, and that old chap. Is where you lose me.
          … and a lot of others… there has been a marked drop off in MB comments over the past month, which coincides with DSL’s hard line China stance, perhaps they were China trolls.
          Over the past 20 years we ,Australians, have ALL drunk and benefitted materially from the globalist, free trade with China koolaid.
          It was always going to be a very fine balance between doing so and keeping the US Alliance intact .

          • Not true. Only Australians who had shares in those mostly foreign companies and land holders who sold did well. Buyers and renters and workers were nailed to the pickets. THe ABC are selling their birthright for a cupful of rice. They are the traitors within the walls and treason is an apt word.

      • I’d call it representing the viewpoints they were employed to promote. Unfortunately the winds have changed and they are not flexible enough to see any other position. That’s probably why they were employed in the first place though…

    • Why “massage” in the link script? From Reddit:

      Daniel Andrews’s staffer Nancy Yang did the same Chinese Communist Party propaganda training course as the part-time NSW Labor staffer at the centre of Friday’s ASIO raids.

      John Zhang is the staff member linked to allegations of covert attempts by the Chinese Communist Party to influence his boss, Shaoquette Moselmane, who until his expulsion from the party on Friday was a NSW Labor MP.

      In 2013, Mr Zhang participated in a propaganda training course organised by the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office of China’s State Council, the chief administrative authority of the People’s Republic.

      The course was held at the Chinese Academy of Governance, which trains senior CCP operatives.

      Ms Yang, who has worked for the Andrews government since 2013 and now works in the electorate offices of the Premier and backbench MP Meng Heang Tak, did the same course in 2007.

      A translated profile at the bottom of an article Ms Yang wrote in 2008 for Chinese state newspaper the Guangming Daily states that “at the invitation of the United Front Work Department of the Central Committee, the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office of the State Council, the National Youth Federation … and other departments and groups”, she returned to China “to participate in training, inspection, entrepreneurship and exchange activity”.

      The United Front Work Department is the Chinese Communist Party’s primary overseas influence and interference network.

      In the article, Ms Yang, who came to Australia as a student in 2003, said how deeply proud she felt “to have a strong motherland behind me”, and wrote of her role in organising Chinese students to rally at events in the lead-up to the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

      This included helping to mobilise thousands of Chinese who travelled to Canberra to participate in an at-times violent counter-protest against human rights campaigners at the Olympic Torch relay.

      In a separate blog post, Ms Yang wrote about her trip to Beijing for the training course and a meeting with United Front head Liu Yangdong.

      She wrote that she told reporters after the meeting: “No matter how long the shadow of the tree is, the roots will always be entrenched in the land; no matter where we are, we will always care about the motherland.”

      In another blog post, Ms Yang rails against the West: “Western countries are no longer as good as we imagined because we have experienced, we have grown, we have learned to be tolerant! The human rights mentioned by the West, we really see their hypocrisy.”

      The Australian revealed last month that Ms Yang had as recently as March posted articles on social media suggesting the coronavirus was created by the US and taken to China by the US Army.

      Asked whether Ms Yang was still working for Mr Andrews and Mr Tak, a spokeswoman for the Premier said: “We value the outstanding contribution Nancy makes every day for her local community.”

    • The issue is that ABC is already acting privatised but insteadbeing funded by the public. So basically what you are suggesting is to sell ABC and start a new one called XYZ funded by tax payer. All good as long as the CCP cockroaches from the ABC are banned from getting a job there.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        Yep. The current ABC doesn’t reflect the views of well over 80% of the country I’d guess. I’d liken the ABCs views to those of the Greens more than the Labor party, and they don’t even get 10% of the vote.

        It is totally unfair that maybe 90% are funding a national broadcaster to suit the other 10%, while harming the nation. It can’t continue.

        Privatise it, or wrap the whole thing up.

        “CCP cockroaches from the ABC are banned from getting a job there”

        Along with the opened borders, globalisation is great, nutters.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Where did they poll? Newtown?

            I’ve told you, excepting a couple of issues, my views more reflect the Greens than Sky.

            Roy Morgan? lol. They got me to do a poll at my home years ago, and asked the most ridiculous/crafty questions, where I was literally forced to answer favouring the outcome they were seeking.

            Then, as agreed to, they called me to survey me on the survey….then said “of these beers, which one do you prefer?”

            I said don’t call me again.

            No wonder polling is ssssooooo inaccurate with elections. An objective outcome absolutely not reflecting their BS.

            Or

            “Only 7% of Australians dis-trust the ABC ”

            That’s how propaganda works.

            ABC must be dismantled for the safety of Australia.

          • Where did they poll? Newtown?
            Ultimo mate Ultimo
            I can’t imagine they walked all the way to Newtown, that’s all the way up Broadway and across Victoria park.
            Nope the samples were taken in Ultimo and adjacent suburbs (what’s that part of Sydney just the other side of Paddy’s market called again? oh yeah Chinatown, Now that’s a good spot to gather a representative sample of true blue Aussie culture and if we pick the right people they might even know a little about the topic.

          • In your opinion – which is not fact.

            Seriously ? How long have you been reading his posts ? Rich is impervious to facts and data, his feels override both.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            drsmithy

            But I’ve shown you the holes in the data. Should we ignore that the data is BS?

            Just like I told you the polls before the election were wrong. I’ve got form. You don’t.

            Put it to a binding plebiscite. With the FACTS DISCUSSED FIRST.

            I’m 100% confident Australia would vote for it to change. Are you confident you’re right?

          • LOL.

            I don’t think you’ve ever referred to any actual data, even by accident. Everything you write is some version of ‘I think this, therefore most other people must as well’.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Great.

            What about the plebiscite? The ultimate poll.

            Do you agree that’d be fair to broad Australia?

            Of course not. For you, it’s not about what’s fair to Australians.

            You are the epitome of everything wrong with Australia, the ABC, Greens and Labor.

          • Although unfortunately Totes, you are the epitomy of everything wrong with modern society as a whole.
            Every brain fart you have is correct, the internet tells you so, reinforcing your ignorance day after day. Of course while reinforcing this the tech companies are making much $$$ showing you only what you want to hear.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            bjw678

            Nope. I don’t use social media. I don’t even know how. I have both twitter and FB but would look at either a few times a year for 5 minutes when someone sends me a link. I struggle with it. Annoys me, and I don’t want any part of it other than videos and things sent. I have never made a post. Wouldn’t know how, or who sees it, who doesn’t nor do I care.

            I wake up in the morning, drink lots of coffee, I check the US market and aud on Google, i skim SMH headlines which are pro Labor, sometimes pro LNP, always woke. Pro big business. Pro immigration. The opposite to me. So I’m not sure how you blame what I read.

            I am who I am because I actually have a position. I have been anti immigration for over 30 years because I’m an environmentalist, pro worker and love Australia. I have an understanding of how things were and where they’re going.

            What’s unfolding on your watch is a disaster and you’re constantly defending it. Shame on you.

          • ” your watch is a disaster and you’re constantly defending it. Shame on you.”
            Doesn’t really matter what you read when your comprehension skills are that poor, or you are just reading what you want to read and proving my point.
            Care to give a single example of me “defending” anything about the status quo?
            Pointing out your incoherence and complete lack of a sensible position is not “defending the status quo”, but clearly if they aint fo us, they aggan us.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            bjw678

            lol. You tell me it’s what I read, then when I tell you what I read, it’s my compression. You and I have history and I’ve seen you defend the status quo plenty.

            Are you taking deflection lessons from the other extreme wokester smithy?

            Argue the issue properly or FO away from me.

          • “lol. You tell me it’s what I read, then when I tell you what I read, it’s my compression. You and I have history and I’ve seen you defend the status quo plenty.
            Are you taking deflection lessons from the other extreme wokester smithy?
            Argue the issue properly or FO away from me.”
            Projecting much there totes? I’ll ask again, Care to give a single EXAMPLE of me “defending” anything about the status quo?
            It’s really easy, I have comments all over the blog, you can cut and paste it like above, or if you get fancy you can even link the comments.

            Maybe try backing up your statements with some sort of argument other than cause, or I think, or everyone thinks…

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Im not wasting 20 minutes looking for past experiences with you.

            I want change to the ABC, and have said so. So what are arguing with me about? It implies you don’t want it to change. Ergo, you defend the status quo.

            “Maybe try backing up your statements with some sort of argument other than cause, or I think, or everyone thinks”

            Yeah sure, I’ll just dig up the poll that was done properly, across broad demographics, with questions that don’t lead to the desired outcome….or I’ll find the review that was done by someone other than an extreme wokester.

            Are you listening to yourself?

            It’s biased. The polls and reviews are biased. Where do you think i might get the data I’m looking for?

            I’ve offered a solution. A plebiscite. Silence by smithy etal, and no reference to it from you.

            So support a plebiscite or I’ll have to assume you’re happy with the SQ.

          • Guess what totes, neither you nor I have any say in what is or isn’t put to plebiscite. Better add that to you list of “NOT A PARTY” policies for YOUR independents at the next election.
            But what we were actually discussing was your continued insistence I am supporting the status quo without any supporting evidence at all.

            ” So what are arguing with me about? It implies you don’t want it to change. Ergo, you defend the status quo.”
            That is really poor comprehension yet again but lets unpack it. I DO want it to change, so I don’t want people wasting their time on pointless activities that distract them from doing things that might actually achieve change. You want the ABC to change you need to get board members appointed that reflect the ABC you want. How are you planning on doing that? The complaint campaign espoused by the bloggers here sure isn’t going to do it.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            “Guess what totes, neither you nor I have any say in what is or isn’t put to plebiscite”

            Answer this very clearly for me, so there’s no ambiguity, no miscomprehension.

            If you, me, and everyone else were demanding a plebiscite, do you think they’d have no choice but to do it? Before you answer, you might go back to the last plebiscite we had, where LNP were dragged into having to do it.

            You and a few others are full of it, and I’m sick of your BS.

          • The [email protected] marriage one. Because that was clearly the ONE topic the entire populace was demanding be addressed as the highest priority by all the population. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
            And totally not a complete distraction away from immigration and all the other things the population actually cared about.

          • Absolutely they would have a choice, or are you claiming the vast majority of the population is actually so WOKE that they thought [email protected] marriage was THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE COULD ASK THE POPULATION TO VOTE ON.
            If that is true it completely invalidates everything else you are claiming and you should just admit that australia really is that woke and that the current situation is WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.

          • If you, me, and everyone else were demanding a plebiscite, do you think they’d have no choice but to do it?

            Of course they would.

            Before you answer, you might go back to the last plebiscite we had, where LNP were dragged into having to do it.

            No they weren’t. It was used as a delaying tactic. Saying they were “dragged into having to do it” suggests that it was in some way required to change the law.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            bjw678

            Answer the question.

            Fellow extreme wokester Smith’s already said above that you’re the problem. “Of course they would”.

            So, given your refusal to answer, I think we can rest the case. You are happy with the SQ. Contrary to what you argued previously.

            Dishonest wokesters are the worst. So fking dishonest.

          • Since it apparently wasn’t clear enough from context, “of course they would have a choice“.

            We didn’t have a plebiscite on SSM because the public were clamouring for one.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            “Answer this very clearly for me, so there’s no ambiguity, no miscomprehension”

            I didn’t ask for an answer that needed context.

            “We didn’t have a plebiscite on xyz because the public were clamouring for one”

            Yeah we did. LNP wouldn’t have done it otherwise. Just to be clear, i was all for it, and am only using it as an example of what can happen when ENOUGH people demand it.

            This is my favourite song and I WAS THERE.

            https://youtu.be/J4TpOs8tqJ4

            Her voice is so cool.

          • Here is some very explicit answering for you totes,
            A plebescite is an even more impractical solution to anything than independents in our current system.
            from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_in_Australia#List_of_referendums_and_plebiscites.
            There have been FOUR plebescites ever in australian history, and the only ones in the last 100 years were for the Issues so drastically important to the wellbeing of all australians of:-
            Choosing what song we should sing,
            and a purely symbolic gesture to change the name of a de facto relationship to a marriage for [email protected] people without changing any legal rights or anything else of significance other than the name.

            It sure sounds like they are solving the problems that really matter to the people,

            1916 – Military Service 3:3[17] 48.39% No
            1917 – Military Service 2:4[17] 46.21% No
            1977 – National Song[18] 5:1[17] 43.29% Yes
            2017 – Australian Marriage Law 6:0 [19] 61.60% Yes

          • I didn’t ask for an answer that needed context.

            I didn’t think I’d given one, but you still managed to get it wrong.

            Yeah we did. LNP wouldn’t have done it otherwise.

            No, we didn’t. It was an idea that came out of the Liberal Party in the leadup to the 2016 election so they could avoid simply passing the necessary legislation. There was no widespread public call or pressure for it. Indeed, most were opposed to it from the get-go. In no small part because it was well understood to be a completely unnecessary waste of time and money and would most likely produce an intensive capaign of hatemongering from the usual suspects under the guise of ‘political debate’.

            Just to be clear, i was all for it, and am only using it as an example of what can happen when ENOUGH people demand it.

            This is my favourite song and I WAS THERE.

            https://youtu.be/J4TpOs8tqJ4

            Again, the public was not demanding a plebiscite about sam3-s3x marr1age. They just weren’t. That performance (October 2017) happened over a year after the plebiscite was first announced (June 2016), and a couple of months after the formal process for carrying it out was started (August 2017).

            This isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact.

            You deadset live in another world.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            “I didn’t think I’d given one, but you still managed to get it wrong”

            lol. You’re the one who fked up the question.

            “That performance (October 2017) happened over a year after the plebiscite was first announced”

            Who cares? I was merely expressing my ambivalence for who chooses to sl&&p with who.

            Anyway too pissed to carry on. Talk tomorrow.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Had a quick browse of that.

      “China won’t have free rein”

      We’ve all seen what’s happened to our politicians, regulators, universities, ABC, msm.

      Australians want it to end. No one can be trusted when offered wealth to sell out the country.

      A wholesale rejection of globalisation, especially involving China is far better embraced now than later.

    • The authors creds

      2007: Executive Director, Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Secretariat
      2006: Deputy Executive Director, Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Secretariat
      2001–2005 Ambassador, Australian Embassy, Seoul
      1998–2001 First Assistant Secretary, North Asia Division, Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
      1997–1998: Assistant Secretary, Maritime South East Asia Branch (covering Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines), Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
      1992–1997: Representative (Head of Mission), Australian Commerce and Industry Office, Taipei
      1988–1992: Minister and Deputy Head of Mission, Australian Embassy, Beijing
      1985–1987: Director, China Investment Project, Department of Industry, Technology and Resources, Victorian Government, Australia.
      1982–1985: Minister and Deputy Head of Mission, Australian Embassy, Beijing
      1981–1982: Chinese language training (Canberra College of Advanced Education and Chinese University, Hong Kong, China)
      1975–1980: Overseas posting to Madrid
      1970–1975: Overseas posting to Santiago
      1969: Joined the Department of External Affairs, Canberra

      Current status on LinkedIn

      Director, Strategic Consultant at Sino Gas and Energy Holdings

      He’s certainly well credentialed but at the same time his current role very much depends on the boat not being rocked so read into that what you will

  10. DLS please could you create a proforma

    Some of us are a bit busy for Old Man Yells at Sky without some proforma

    ;D

  11. There are still voices at the ABC that are worth listening to Ian Verrender comes to mind
    Matter of fact he wrote an article on the whole China fiasco a couple of weeks back that was pretty good.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-23/can-australia-wield-an-iron-fist-with-china/12909188
    Maybe it’s a bit wishy-washy especially with respect to Australia getting on the front foot and actively declining China’s 14 point demand letter, but it’s still worth the time to read.

  12. TheLambKingMEMBER

    I’m not sure how to fix what’s gone wrong at the ABC. The old hands are gone.

    You fix it by funding the ABC properly and letting the independent board work without political influence. The ABC is currently under immense political pressure from the LNP and their agenda to shut it down (because that is what Murdoch wants.)

    This anti-ABC campaign is doing nothing but ensuring that the ABC get less funding, is less effective and gives the Murdoch press more power.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      “independent board”

      The one that says it’s not biased? Every honest Australian knows it’s biased.

      They can’t be trusted.

      Mate, how hard is it to understand, they need to come to the middle on their terms or Australia will force it to. Or completely dismantle it.

      Mark my words, Australia’s had enough.

      • TheLambKingMEMBER

        Mate, how hard is it to understand, they need to come to the middle on their terms or Australia will force it to. Or completely dismantle it.

        Mate, how hard is it to understand, you are wrong! 🙂

        But you and I disagree on this point. The data says that more people agree with me that the ABC is closer to the middle than any other media organisation in the country. And certainly more than the media you seem to be consuming.

        Australia won’t force it – but Murdoch and the IPA (and now for some reason, macrobusiness) are trying very hard to. So what happens without an ABC? Do you understand what that would mean for Australia?

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          “And certainly more than the media”

          I’ve told you my base case is media are lying to us. I think for myself.

          “you are wrong!”

          I’ve justified my position, and I’m not wrong. I’ve seen it all for myself. I heard Ray Martin justify their objectivity without discussing a single concern for the bias.

          “So what happens without an ABC? Do you understand what that would mean for Australia?”

          Modern life has made us weak. Australia is doomed thanks to people like you. ABC will hasten the path. They have to go.

        • Not the ABC on the radio in Melbourne. Radio Australia takes their news from CNN. It could be different elsewhere, Salvatore Babones considers that the ABC is captured by its staff.

          • There’s so much doubling up in content at the ABC that is wasteful. They have Radio National, and then local stations which then focus on national issues at the expense of local issues.

            Perhaps just have a Radio National, with local hours dedicated for specific regions. Don’t need $300K announcer in Melbourne talking to Victorians about the same national issues that their Sydney $300K counterpart is doing for their NSW audience.

        • buttzilla thirtyfive

          yeah looking more and more like MB done been runoft to Murdoch – explains why Parler-level posts are free from moderation. Welcome to the drainpipe.

        • Do you know who is currently doing a good job of defending the ABC in public? (bit like MB will always take up the fight to argue against negative gearing over the years..)

    • “The ABC Board is the body responsible for the operations of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.[1] It is made up of five to seven directors chosen by the Australian government”
      The abc board is just as independent as the reserve banks…

    • Or maybe they could not waste money on importing light entertainment and comedy programs from overseas? We don’t need tax payer funded light entertainment.

      The ABC don’t need more money, they need to be more efficient, stop having star salaries, stop wasting money on dross and spreading themselves too thin across to many media.

      They really are too stupid if $1B isn’t enough to cover the news and issues properly.

  13. The format is the biggest problem. Why are there three people with similar viewpoints rather than three people with different viewpoints on China? It’s not like the ABC don’t have internal experts on China : their Beijing correspondence lived there for 20+ years before being kicked out.

    • Even StevenMEMBER

      This. I think even blind Freddy can see there’s no contrary voice allowed.

      China has made, in diplomatic terms, one of THE greatest insults to another nation and ABC just feels we need to cosy up to them better? ABC does not reflect my views.

    • Just part of the descent from unbiased media outlet to blatant propaganda machine. They’re a few years behind the abc, and heading in a different direction but are really adapting to the “new era journalism” landscape.

    • TheLambKingMEMBER

      Own Goal Totes

      But overall the findings found the broadcaster was fair and balanced, not bias

      • LOL

        ‘But [heavier coverage of Labor] was hardly surprising given the slimness of the government’s policy package and its campaign focus of attacking Labor, contrasted with Labor’s significant raft of policy and spending promises.’

        (The whole idea underpinning “balance”, that different ideas must be given equal airtime and promotion simply because they exist, is both stupid and unethical.)

        Also:

        ‘ABC content for the most part followed the weight of evidence and was duly impartial. The finding overall is that the content met the impartiality standard,’ he said.

        Lots of people seem to struggle with the idea that “impartial” is not a synonym for “balanced” or “equivalent”.

      • TheLambKingMEMBER

        And Daily Mail provides the ‘text book’ example of biased reporting. It has a ridiculous, misleading headline:
        “The report the ABC tried to hide: Independent review confirms left wing election coverage bias – and bosses tried to prevent the criticism from going public”
        that is not an accurate summary of the report
        “But overall the findings found the broadcaster was fair and balanced, not bias”

        Get rid of the ABC and you are left with rubbish like this. Watch Media Watch (on the ABC) for many more examples. You mates Totes, from Sky After Dark regularly get an airing.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          “Watch Media Watch”

          As biased as the rest of it.

          You wouldn’t mind going to a plebiscite on the future of the ABC would you? Then there’s nothing left unanswered.

          • TheLambKingMEMBER

            You wouldn’t mind going to a plebiscite on the future of the ABC would you?

            Bring it on (if you want to waste money):
            -the proposition of privatising the ABC is opposed by 59%.
            -An overwhelming 75% of Australians support increased funding for the ABC to reflect its emergency broadcaster role
            -An increasing share of Australians agree with the general proposition that the ABC’s funding should be increased (35%, vs 12% who think it should be reduced).
            -When additional funding is associated with the ABC’s emergency role, support rises dramatically to three in four Australians (75%), with 39% in strong support.
            -Trust in the ABC has increased dramatically since the question was first asked in 2013 (from 41% to 58% in 2019).

            https://www.tai.org.au/content/majority-want-increased-funding-abc-trust-public-broadcaster-grows-polling

            I look forward to seeing what evidence you have of people wanting to shut/defund/change the ABC. Large sample sizes with associated methods (like the Australia Institute provide on that page) would be nice to back up your claims

          • You wouldn’t mind going to a plebiscite on the future of the ABC would you?

            It would be a stupid, pointless and expensive waste of time and money to find out things we already know, and not change anyone’s mind, just like with same-s3x marr1age.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            There’s only one poll I trust, and only one poll I’m interested in. A plebiscite.

            But first, we must have open dialogue about how utterly treasonous they are.

            Australia must know what they’re voting for. Our future.

          • What makes you trust a plebescite totes? Cearly not experience. We have had at most 2 in your lifetime, about the important issues of what song we should sing as a group, and the marriage thingy…

  14. A while ago, I asked a lot of people to help out with a petition. They all agreed that the petition was worthwhile and knew it was the right thing to do but they where all too afraid to put there name to it.

    I think sub-consciously, a lot of people know something bad is happening and are too afraid to go on record. A lot of people I’ve spoken to are too scared to speak.

    There is a very low trust in Government and people are afraid once they give there name over, something bad will happen to them. Nobody will admit this to you in person. We are all macho Australians but when you begin to disect what people are really saying, its really what they are saying. They dont want to appear weak but at the same time, they are too afraid of what might happen to them if they put there name to things.

    I asked at least 20 people and not one of them would put there name on record for that very reason. Nobody wants to look weak and admit they are scared but really, we are scared. Its affecting our decision.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      The fear is real. We’ve all seen consequences for whistle blowers, journalists sticking their necks out etc. What’s in it for me to be the lone guy to take anything on publically?

      We get an anonymous say at the election, and if we get organised we can hobble LNP and Labor very effectively.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      Sounds like fken good news.
      Cheaper beef for Aussies and selling less produce of hard hoofed animals to 1.4 billion people will do wonders for our range lands.
      Let’s pre-empt their sh!ty tariffs and illegal import blocks by shutting all food exports to China all together.

  15. Australia’s ABC
    🔹Left wing socialism
    🔹Pro China CCP
    🔹Old failed useless political hacks
    🔹Social Justice warriors
    🔹Multiculturalist & Open Borders
    🔹Racial separatists, gender deviancy & anti Christian & anti western haters & other ideological cliches
    🔹Climate change alarmism (Even the ABCweather map recoloured in alarming orange and purples for what are normal seasonal temperatures)
    🔹Critical race theory / aboriginal grievance industry
    🔹2nd rate UK banal shows or series’s as filler.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Not to mention ugly looking TV personalities. Good looking people would never waste their beauty on the ABC!

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      You usually write so succinctly Mike and yet you top your list with the ridiculous assertion that the ABC advocates for Socialism!

      The careerist that occupy the ranks of the ABC are all toadies of the progressive faction of Corporate Plutocracy all longing to impress, and be noticed by, future moneyed benefactors.
      There is nothing fking “Left” about that!

  16. How about those traitors at News?

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/boycotting-chinese-businesses-and-products-will-do-more-harm-than-good-to-australia/news-story/6c9fffbfb24b20532f7af47b1e30bec1

    Calls to boycott Chinese goods and businesses are “downright silly’ and could seriously backfire on Australia as they would have no impact on the Asian powerhouse, experts have said.

    China tightened the screws on Australian exporters on Wednesday when lamb was added to a long list of Australian products sanctioned by Beijing, with cotton expected to be next.

    In response, residents and businesses began to discuss boycotting Chinese-made products, in calls that have only grown louder.

    But University of Sydney Business School professor Hans Hendrischke says Australia is a small trading partner and no boycott could harm China – it could only harm us.

  17. If relations need to be restored, maybe we suggest the ABC kick-start the process by sending their journalists back to China. See how much fun that is.

  18. All of the Australian media is pumping Chinese propaganda to some extent. The reason is they are bone lazy, do very few investigative pieces, simply cut and paste from what is free on the internet, to which China is happy to provide free content.

    Look at this nonsense for example:
    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/china-covid-aviation-guidelines-suggest-flight-attendants-wear-nappies/news-story/e71881cf88c12ed353cf5938cb8952fd

    Not picking on news.com.au necessarily because I am sure this nonsense has made other outlets too.