Entire Australian left demands surrender to China

On the weekend, Labor and its vertical market media cheerleaders made it plain that they are irretrievably wedded to a stone dead Chinese engagement dogma no matter the cost. The Guardian is the top of this traitorous pile:

The former Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd has accused Scott Morrison of overhyping the significance of a new defence agreement with Japan in a manner likely to draw a strong response from China.

Rudd, in an interview with the Guardian, argued the prime minister oversold a relatively mundane logistical agreement in Tokyo, citing it as an example of the Coalition taking a “public relations eggbeater” to foreign affairs rather than considering how to prevent “avoidable problems with Beijing”.

Against the backdrop of worsening tensions with China, which reached a new intensity this week over a controversial tweet from a Beijing-based official, Rudd also contended there were domestic political incentives within Morrison’s Liberal party to sound “hairy-chested on China”.

As the head of the Asia Society globally, Kevin07 is not objective. I’ve noted for years how he has skirted the tough China questions which is his notion of how to be friends with it. The problem today is that overlooking CCP aggression costs you your freedom at home in 14 very clear steps:

The ABC also came out as a CCP supporter with Laura Tingle joining Hugh White:

Among those who think it was a big mistake is eminent academic strategist Hugh White, who argues that by looking rattled and angry, the Prime Minister made his adversary China look strong and scary, which is just what the Chinese wanted.

White argues that people in Australia misunderstand who the principal audience of such actions by China actually is: other countries in Asia (and he notes that none of them have come out in support of Australia’s position).

China was seeking to send an important signal to the region about how it would deal with those who spoke up against it.

There are also questions about the wisdom of the Prime Minister himself coming out so fast to respond to the tweet. As other analysts point out, would President Xi have felt compelled to personally respond to a tweet by a middle-ranking bureaucrat?

The problem for the Prime Minister is that he has found it difficult not to respond because he has made himself the principal spokesman on the relationship.

There is an undoubted element of domestic politics in his public statements on China which are supposed to play to the domestic audience: China may be his Tampa issue. The daggy dad at home/the strong powerful statesman overseas.

White also argues that there are some profound underlying problems with the Government position, too. The Prime Minister keeps insisting that Australia hasn’t changed its position on China, and suggested it just wants to go back to the good old days of “win-win” that characterised the Howard era.

Except Australia has changed. Our policies have changed: witness the move through the Parliament this week of laws allowing the Federal Government to scuttle Victoria’s Belt and Road Initiative agreement with China and deals between China and Australian universities.

And China has changed, too. It is now a massive power in the region.

While Stan Grant was as shocking as he was intellectually feeble:

We have lived with the reality of an oppressive China as a key partner for decades, and our democracy is still standing.

Australia is right to defend itself and we should be in no doubt that the Communist Party represents a genuine challenge, even a threat to liberal democracies.

China is seeking to expand its influence, even interference, in countries like Australia. All great powers do. None of this should be a surprise. China today is the China of yesterday — the Communist Party has not changed.

It was the same Communist Party that ordered its soldiers to massacre their own people in Tiananmen Square in 1989. The same Communist Party to whom Britain handed back Hong Kong less than decade later.

The same Party that was rewarded with hosting Olympic Games a decade after that.

It is the same Party that occupied Tibet and locked up dissidents. The Party we were happy to get into business with.

China’s leader Xi Jinping is the same man we feted and applauded when he visited here in 2014. Then, he was in the midst of a purge of rivals and locking up people who challenged the Party.

Scott Morrison has sent a message to China that Australia will not be America’s “deputy sheriff” and Canberra won’t be making decisions based on a choice between Washington and Beijing, writes Stan Grant.

But we didn’t care. Or if we did, we were prepared to look away.

Now, we are told China is an affront to our way of life — the Communist Party hates us because of who we are. Suddenly we are all Cold Warriors again, talking about containment of China’s power.

So, because we misread Chinese politics for a few years we should now give up our freedoms? This is a crucial point. We are not discussing foreign policy anymore. We are discussing whether we should surrender domestic freedoms in the name of a few yuan more. China is not trying to force us out of China. It is trying to force itself into Australia.

How did it come to this at the national broadcaster? Why must I remind the ABC – a national broadcaster of a democracy – that it is not in our interests to see Aussie freedom sold to a vicious tyranny? This is the defense of our most basic interest: freedom. It is so fundamental to our humanity, prosperity, identity and our quality of life that weighing it against Chinese exports is preposterous.

Which of China’s 14 demands to end Aussie democracy does The Guardian, ABC, Laura Tingle and Stan Grant endorse? Let’s not stand on ceremony. Do they recommend muzzling the media and themselves? Stuffing a sock into the mouth of parliament? Increasing CCP coercion by selling everything not tied down? Capitulation to all human rights abuses including, in time, Aussie re-education camps? Given China has demanded all 14 grievances be addressed, we can only conclude that left media is on board with the entire horror show.

This is where the weekend China coverage turned from apocalyptically deluded to openly treasonous. James Laurenceson and Bob Carr appeared at the SCMP to bald-faced lie about the drivers of the Australia-China divorce. I must warn you, “Beijing Bob” is so shameless that you will need a stiff Bundy:

Writing in the latest issue of Foreign Affairs, political scientist Michael Beckley provides a dismal outlook for US international economic engagement beyond Trump: “A nationalist mood has taken hold in the United States, and for the foreseeable future, it will be the shape of things to come.”

With unsentimental analysis pointing to Australia being on its economic lonesome, the perspective of the domestic business sector carries particular weight.

In June, former spy boss and defence secretary Dennis Richardson advised business leaders that, when they are slurred as unpatriotic for emphasising the value of the China trade relationship, “they should punch their accuser right on the nose … figuratively that is”.

Richardson’s point was that, by building these ties, these entrepreneurs were creating the prosperity that funds better schools and hospitals – not to mention 12 French-designed submarines worth US$56 billion and 72 US-made F-35s that add another US$12 billion to the defence credit card.

But if the voice of business is marginalised – as Graham Bradley, the former president of the Business Council of Australia claimed earlier this month has been the case in Canberra for at least four years – the Australian public deserve an honest appraisal of the costs rather than being spun a fable that a cavalry of “like-minded democracies” is on the way.

I’ve noted Laurenceson’s biases many times. His favourite trick is to misrepresent Australia as isolated despite China increasingly bullying all of its neighbours and friends including Japan, Korea, India, The Philippines, Vietnam, Canada and the UK. As a result of this pattern of aggression, Asian and global nations need a strategic counterweight to Chinese economic power lest their sovereignty is swept away. It was unilateralist Donald Trump that stood in the way of that but he is gone. Far from being isolated, Australia has triggered an extraordinary response with the US relaunching its 1st Fleet into Asian waters and democracies everywhere offering moral support. Australia’s China divorce won’t be costless but it can be managed and is obviously in ours’ and democracies’ interest.

As for Bob Carr, the depths of his fall require a little history. In 2014, Carr and Laurenceson were funded into a China “think tank” at UTS by Chinese migrant billionaire Huang Xiangmo. “Think tank” turned out to be a misnomer. In truth, it was a propaganda outfit that set out explicitly to promote Chinese-Australian integration. The truth was revealed in 2017 when the same Huang Xiangmo destroyed Labor MP Sam Dastayri’s career with bribes in return for positive announcements on Chinese policy. More recently Huang has been exiled from Australia in disgrace.

A cascade of similar “influence operation” debacles followed that was a part of Australia’s great awakening to the shady CCP money that was distorting its political economy. Especially on the Labor side of politics but certainly not exclusively so (hello Gladys Liu and Andrew Robb). The Turnbull Government acted as it should in response by launching anti-foreign influence legislation to flush the political system of those inappropriately on the CCP payroll, such as Bob Carr and James Laurenceson.

In the SCMP interview, “Beijing Bob” actively covers up this history by declaring that Australia unilaterally pivoted hawkish on China in 2017 to get a pat on the head from the US.

This points to the underlying reality that Labor greybeards and their media cheerleaders refuse to acknowledge about today’s disintegrating relationship.  The Australia/China divorce is not driven by diplomatic ruptures or communication issues but by diverging interests. For the first decade of China’s “peaceful rise”, the CCP followed a liberalising impulse that free societies chose to back. The decade since Xi Jinping took power has seen that reverse into an illiberal impulse that actively sought to undermine Australian democratic process in what became known locally as the “silent invasion”.

It has taken a few years for the underlying divergence between free society’s interests and CCP interests to manifest in an unavoidable economic and diplomatic divorce but it is now doing so at an accelerating pace. The first blow was China’s illegal militarisation of the South China Sea. The rise of Donald Trump and trade wars was next. CCP influence operations and the democratic pushback was the third domino. COVID-19 was a lucky break for democracies that helped their polities recognise the evils of the CCP earlier than otherwise. With its friendly mask stripped, the CCP has entered a period of outright aggression as it seeks to quell all opposition to its dominance using economic coercion.

In short, deteriorating diplomacy and trade are the symptoms not the cause of the divergence. Interests not talk drive nations, and Australia and China are fatefully headed in opposite directions. Chris Joye makes a good fist of it:

The sharp deterioration in relations between Australia and China is regrettable but also entirely expected.

For the best part of a decade this column has asserted that China and the Western world are on a collision course for conflict. This was not a fashionable view back in 2013 when the Asian Century paradigm was in full-flight.

The probabilities of economic and military conflict have escalated under the current regime, which cannot be judged according to a rational, profit-maximising Western calculus. Rather, China’s actions can only be understood through the prism of President Xi Jinping’s Marxist-Leninist framework, which he describes as “socialism with Chinese characteristics”.

Xi believes conflict between capitalism and Chinese socialism is inescapable, and he has been preparing for this contingency since he came to power. To properly divine our destiny, one must come to grips with the essence of the man who will exert enormous influence over the distribution of possible outcomes.

Only one alteration. The conflict is between liberal democracy and illiberal socialism.

Malcolm Turnbull and John Garnaut, the two architects of Australia’s 2017 pushback against CCP meddling, were terrific as well, at Domain:

“While Trump was president with his erratic, aggressive, hyperbolic, unsettling of allies and rattling everyone’s sense of stability and order – there was a great opportunity for China to be as unlike Trump as possible,” says Turnbull.

“And yet the wolf warrior diplomacy seems to be trying to emulate him at the end of the day what has really changed is China’s approach to the world.”

Garnaut says it is not Canberra’s job to cover up misbehaviour. “I think that is sometimes what is being asked,” he says.

He warns that Australia has become a test case for Xi’s new China and its commitment to the idea of struggle.

“There is something galvanising in the Leninist system about being able to mobilise the system against an enemy,” he says. “It’s this mobilisation of campaign politics and struggle as a means of achieving political unity and unity of thought. The more I see it, the more I think it will become part of our national existence.”

Perhaps but for mine it’s pragmatic. The CCP system cannot liberalise its economy sufficiently to take it beyond the middle-income trap for the obvious reason that doing so risks a desire for real freedom in its polity. Instead, it will slow and stagnate and lose its legitimacy with the Chinese people. It, therefore, needs a new source of legitimacy and it has chosen to create external enemies to rally nationalism behind its strong man leader. It has ever been thus with authoritarian states.

Does that provide us with some insight into what has happened to the Australian left? Does it have some latent tendency towards dictatorship that makes it vulnerable to Leninist despots? Is it so consumed by hatred of the Morrison Government that it would prefer to give Australia to the contemporary version of the Nazis? Is post-structural thought now so dominant that racial sensitivity overrules all? Is it climate change and globalism anxiety run riot? Is the left so embittered from years in opposition it lives only now for whatever Labor says, no matter how mad? Does its hatred of the Murdoch Press overwhelmed all sense and sensibility? Is it the sunk cost of an admirable history of opening China up, too unbearable to pay now it has gone wrong? Has anti-Americanism reached such plague proportions post-Trump that brains are dead? Have the policy failures of our elite overwhelmed its powers of reason? Are these people having nervous breakdowns?

I know not. All I can say for certain is this: the identity political vertical market that runs downwards from Labor through The Guardian and the ABC has decided that CCP dominance of Australia at home is no bad thing.

As such, the entire Australian left has made itself a clear and present danger to every Australian and especially our kids. A fact that all appear to have woken up to:

David Llewellyn-Smith
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  1. Why is KRudd treated like a sage by media? Wasn’t he the one who said ““those Chinese ratf**kers are trying to ratf**k us”. And that was in far more benign times. He’s hardly in a position to criticize now.
    But you can’t put that in a MSM comments section without being censored

    • The Left has always styled itself as the intellectual bastion of common sense. In doing so, it refuses to see things as black and white, right and wrong! Relativism personified. The lack of uproar about HK’s fate has personally shocked me, no sanctions, no diplomats recalled, from anyone, anywhere. The fact that they have already gaoled those young protester leaders out of malice, with no potential to cause future disturbance, is more than worrisome. The UK has come good, and it seems they intend to take in millions if need be. I suggest Australia does the same.

      Taiwan knows they are next. Its ironic there was always a political Party in Taiwan that wanted integration with China, suddenly, literally overnight, changed its tune when it saw what its future really entailed… the whole country galvanised to the fact that if they wanted prosperity and freedom of choice, they had to be independent. No matter what the cost…

      In the face of all that, of what China is morphing into – Labour still thinks they can straddle the fence, I mean what the hell are they thinking??? The threat in the long-term is existential.

      I know I have said it before, and will say it again, the only real friend in Asia is Japan. Thankfully, we are not located in Asia, and I betcha many now wish we still had a car industry. Because we cannot defend ourselves presently.

      • I am ever surprised and upset Australia does not politically recognise Taiwan as a sovereign nation independent of China…

        • 1 That would end all trade with China instantly and not even the US is prepared to do that just yet but although Nixon really screwed up, recognising Taiwan is now the ethical thing to do.

          (We also need to do something more substantial with our pacific neighbours. I read that China made them confirm their acceptance of the one China policy last week)

        • Hey BlokeMEMBER

          Why would any country not recognise Taiwan?

          The fact the CCP would need to physically invade to take control of the country is proof enough it’s not theirs.

          To me a more interesting question is why is there not an international response to any country who has a head of state who declares ‘leader for life’?

      • “…seems they intend to take in millions if need be. I suggest Australia does the same.”
        Asianisation must be reduced, not increased.

    • The funny thing is Kevin is telling everyone to take action rather than talk. Mr talk over any years wants others to behave differently and be quiet, but Kevin’s past is a little representative of Australia’s current situation though, the less real power we have means we have to be more vocal to stir co-operative action. Isn’t that what Kevin did make lots of noise whenever he could and he hasn’t stopped.

  2. Ah Rudd, the same guy who let the Chinese in to destroy our housing market with his sham of an FIRB.

    But nah, saved Australia from the GFC and all the other myths.

  3. CCP is not China, it’s a corrupt gangster organisation whose primary objective is to feed parasitically off the people of China ams to bully and intimidate those it can’t simply murder.

    Mao and his cronies are the worst mass murderers in the history of the planet and the Party must love the fact there are so many useful idiots in Australian business and politics who are prepared to sell themselves for 30 pieces of silver.

    Well done MB for sticking to this. It’s important there’s a venue that highlights these people treasonous activities.

      • We have to be greater than just selling iron ore… although the potential short-term shock will be tough, its event will be a long-term opportunity.

        • I an in WA and support Mark McGowan but worry he is not reading the populace in WA or Australia wide with respect to China. There were notable large USA businesses that did commerce with the German Nazi regime before and during WWII that I do not want Australia to ever be complicit or a party to…

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          Nationalise iron ore, reduce supply and set the price. All proceeds to Australia.

          What should have happened in the first place.

          • Capitalism basics, eh?

            dzе Jughashvili and Ulyanov experiences are good learning curve in terms of centrally planned economy… but on a second thought, this is exactly what the CCP would do! …this cognitive dissonance is killing me.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            It’s in Australia’s interests. I don’t care about whatever else it is you’re talking about.

            Nothing wrong with nationalising our core assets. It should have happened decades ago.

            Instead, I believe, we’re ssssooooo dumb (corrupt more likely), we allowed competition WITHIN Australia to drive down the global price.

            That is gold ribbon, award winning stupid.

            Argue against that.

          • dzе Jughashvili and Ulyanov also thought it was in the interest of Soviets…

            No need to “argue against that”, I agree.

      • I’m not convinced we should stop selling iron ore. It’s a risky move as while it could cause Xi’s downfall what will replace him, a military man? Then Taiwan invasion & worse definitely on. Or if he remains in power he will turn outwardly aggressive anyhow as the economy faulters. If none of that happens then it will force China to change so that more of the profits go to the Chinese people instead of the state, the exact thing that needs to happen to make China stronger. So I’m happy to keep selling them ore for the next 5 – 10yrs while they get Simondou up as they slip slowly into their own trap.

        Australia will be the scapegoat for any CCP failings, they will point to us as setting the whole world against China due to our banning of Huawei, calling for independent covid inquiry etc so even if we kiss Xi’s ars e we will never again have the relationship we hand with China as we will be the scapegoat for China’s slide into the middle income & demographic traps. We likely have 5-10yrs to diversify our economy (as even a building boom in India will not save us with Simandou running at full capacity.

  4. The word traitorous is too good for these left wing craven cringing rock spider lick spittle sycophants who are bending over as much as possible to do the bidding of Nazi china. Every single one of these vermin makes money from the foul Nazi china that confronts us and therefore their motivations are suspect at best. And when industry starts to whine and whinge quite prepared to sell the democracy out from under the public then the vermin in Nazi china know they are on a winner.
    A big risk for this country is that the general public here will be fooled by the contemptuous dribble written by these traitors and be panicked into voting for labor and their own enslavement. There is no doubt that Nazi china is telegraphing its intent to Asian countries and we should not put any stock on much help from that area. We can expect some support from Japan and India, because they fear China if it gains the foot hold it wants. Japan knows china hates it for past wrongs and India knows china regards them as ignorant sub human to be wiped out and claim their resources. We can not expect any support from other Asian countries because the rest of them are all cowards.
    This rhetoric from Nazi china will tone down somewhat after Biden is sworn in. The reconstitution of the pacific fleet is being driven by the defense department and national security advisors who see the China threat, and Biden and Harris will be inclined to support the military posture. The primary reason this verbal war of words broke out now to this degree is that Nazi china is taking advantage of president buffoon having his psychotic melt down and ignoring his job. They see this as a rare opportunity to muck up before another president is sworn in.
    In the meantime this situation has exposed the number of traitors in our midst that need to be given short shrift. As well its shows up how pathetic and whiny the industry in this country is.
    If it was 1939 these same people would be complaining they lost sales of ovens to Nazi Germany.
    The industry in this country has always been pathetic. None of them want to get off their ass and look for new markets or sources of revenue, all they can do is complain and expect the government to do everything for them.
    No wonder this country is in a mess.

    • Please don’t call them left wing. Tom Uren would turn in his grave.
      These are the CCP Australia chapter.

    • For all of the noise, the biggest worry is Taiwan.
      Yes Australia needs to upgrade its forces, and it has been trying to do so, with the usual efficiency in defense projects.
      But the US has a succession crisis at the moment, and it is not obvious how well and quickly they would respond if the Chinese invaded.
      I think the US would need to respond, they would be shown as weak and ineffective if they do not.
      But would they win? I don’t know.

      • A few thousand troops, a few hundred army reserve wannabe’s, 20 planes, 3 tinnies, a drone and a few up periscopes means we need more than an upgrade

    • Ouch,
      The most famous of these Han Chinese Nazi soldiers was Chiang Wei-kuo, the son of Republic of China President Chiang Kai-shek, who studied military strategy and tactics at a Nazi German Kriegsschule in Munich, and subsequently achieved the rank of lieutenant and served as a soldier in the Wehrmacht on active combat duty in Europe until his return to the Republic of China during the later years of World War II.[13][14][15][16][17]

      The president of the Republic of China[note 1] is the head of state of the Republic of China (ROC), commonly known as Taiwan


        • Not.
          I just do my homework and I don’t use Guggle/MSM as my only information well.
          Here I learnt that Republic of China has more Han Chinese population per capita than People’s Republic of China

  5. A year ago, Rudd urged a population of “50 million” for Australia. With a Han majority, one assumes.

    • I cynically think the same, however, despite being of a (true) Green and reconciliatory leaning think we need to forgo some environmental and indigenous values in order to massively geo-engineer Australia to support a greater population and develop into a long term independent global power.

      • Since 1788, we already have “massively geo-engineered” the continent. Relentless logging, land clearing, habitat and species losses, water guzzling, over population, and rising emissions. Try being a koala, in this country.

        • chuckmuscleMEMBER

          +1 down there with Stan Grant levels of thought process. What does long term global power even look like? Why stop at 50m, once there the calls for 100m will start? Do we need nukes? What about indigenous living standards? So many questions so few answers as ive attempted to understand people who think population = power. There’s literally 100s of millions of people on our doorstep, not needed physically to benefit economically.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            “not needed physically to benefit economically”

            …or militarily.

            They’re for the benefit of the elites, and at the expense to the rest of us.

          • Yep, the idea that a larger pop will make us militarily safer is stupid thinking. Even if we had a pop of 100m our greatest threat is 1.4 bil.

            In every respect we should aim for smarter, not bigger, bu that won’t happen (D Horne).

  6. GunnamattaMEMBER

    Even Fairfax is spotting the possibility that Australian politics has no progressive side…..

    Labor and its leader must lift their game

    Until such point as the ALP can overtly state that the major priority of ‘progressive reform’ is socio economic ‘progressive reform’ (also known as the ‘Class War’ – and which is always being waged upon working people by capital) and subordinate all other outcomes to the achievement of meaningful socio economic progressive reform, then the ALP is toast.

    It has been toasted in three straight elections Federally. It is limbering up for a fourth. At a certain point (well past in my personal case) it is telling those people who would support it if it did lead on progressive socio economic reform they should look elsewhere.

    • I’m sure the ALP can roll out PR plan A one more time: Send Albo down to the pub in attempt to make him not appear like a mindless robot controlled from the back room. Maybe have Tanya Plibersek mingle in the crowd smiling for effect.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Most Australians have FINALLY worked out immigration undermines everything Labor stands for. You can’t have a big population (competition for resources) and fairness.

      Immigration, as always, is the core problem. Immigration is what’s destroying fairness and the Labor party.

      It is the horrendous selfishness of the front bench that prevents Labor saving themselves by saying NO to immigration.

      Plibersek, Chalmers, Burke, Marles, Wong….all filthy rich, lawyers and or never had a job, and are running the Labor party. Destroying Australia.

      • “Most Australians have FINALLY worked out immigration undermines underpins RE generated wealth…”
        Your autocorrect software changed this for you 😉
        Ask 110% of local RE investors if they would support immigration slash which is guaranteed to slash their RE wealth and the answer is a resounding 200%: nope

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          It’s easy to think that but IMO It’s not accurate.

          Have a look at the election result map. Labor lost because they are pro immigration. Almost nothing to do with their housing policy which was shown to only have a minimal 10% effect anyway.

          Also read this. https://tapri.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Big-Australia-finalV6.pdf

          Labor lost because Australians want a future for their kids. We ended up with LNP as a result.

          So, pretty much the opposite to the reasons Labor presented, which unbelievably apparently omitted parental visas.

          Labor are finding their way to annihilation.

          • Labour, Liberals, Nats… Tomayto-Tomahto

            It is all about advertising.
            Once all investors realise that without permanent immigration increase – their paper wealth becomes toilet-paper wealth… the fan will seek the proverbial shiitt.
            It is probably the best school example for cognitive dissonance

          • True.
            Losing side also has shades of gray and more immigration makes them a bit brighter and gives hope that one day with enough immigration, there will be a “participation award” (manageable losses) if not change over to winning side

        • The losing side are local, have to work for a deposit, pay tax and high rents in Australia.

          • I agree.
            In the end, all locals will lose.
            Some will think they won because they cashed in on the way to the bottom.
            My comment is about RE investors wanting to have the cake and eat it too (RE investor’s nature).

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      It’ll be interesting to see Branch meeting numbers next year.
      Haven’t been to one this year as they’ve all been cancelled.

      I did go to a SEC meeting in Feb (at that historic pub in Parra that they’ve now demolished😪) where I got a brief dressing down from a more senior ranking fellow for being “xenophobic” by asking what our (ALP) position was on the Wuhan bat sniffles and whether we should be pushing for a closing of our boarders to China especially incoming students returning from Chinese New year.
      I’m looking forward to bring up that again if I see him.

      Though many here would like to see the ALP voted out of existence it is more likely that they will be around for generations to come and even if they do not rule federally again, they will still remain the primary opposition.
      That being the case the best thing a patriot can do is to join the ALP and try to reform it from within.
      Even if ya can’t bring yourself vote for them for now.
      It’s not “Their” fken party,….it’s all of OURS!


      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        You saw the opposition you got to common sense. The party’s completely captured. Its finished and must be destroyed to save Australia.

        The strongest members are extreme wokesters, just like their spoiled rotten inner city elite voters. These people think our biggest issues are gender equality in Parliament, and giving houses to people who have never contributed a thing (excepting the disabled)…..giving houses away, with permanent maintenance and expenses, while working Australians can’t afford one? What world do these clowns live in?….then add all the other globalist wokesterness.

        Broad Australia is not voting for them ever again, meaning Labor are doing more harm than good.

        • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

          Yeah Yeah Totesy we’ve heard it all before.
          But here is the rub mate,…The ALP are not going to disappear any time soon.
          Those “extreme wokesters” and “spoiled rotten inner city elites” you refer to are not the “strongest members”.
          They are just the members that presently turn up the most.
          Real Democracy requires more effort than just strolling into your local public school every 2 or 3 years to vote.

          Your hoped for replacement of the Labor party, if it ever happened, woulf end up being just as disappointing to you and people like you if you think just Voting “them” out on election Day is going to change anything by itself.
          It won’t
          If your serious about enacting some change then you need to participate and embracing your democratic rights and responsibilities by joining a party and endeavouring to guide it in a direction you deem just.
          If not the ALP or LNP then how about Gunnas BS party?

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            “The ALP are not going to disappear any time soon”

            That’s the bit we don’t agree on.

            “It’s time to actually participate if your serious about enacting some change by joining a party and endeavouring to guide it in a direction you deem just”

            Australia won’t trust their brand again. It’d be like selling a new pain relief tablet under the brand name “thalidomide”.

            I know plenty of people who just can’t stand what Labor now are. These people are working class suburbanites. These people are why Labor lost the unlosable election i predicted.

            If you reckon the strength is elsewhere why are we running with extreme wokeness that jeopardises all the seats outside the city? BTW members meaning MPs

          • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

            Because a minority of the population “Elitist woksters” for lack of a better word are the ones turning up and deciding policy positions largely unopposed.
            The public’s apathy is largely to blame.
            I know it makes people “Feel good” to say it’s all Labor’s fault but what kind of fking effort or contribution are most of these complainers making in trying to guide the democratic process themselves?

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            I meant MPs ermo. IMO the city extreme wokester MPs refuse to change because it’d jeopardise their seats. That is, they reflect their electorate, but defy views of outside the city.

            What’s your view on that?

            What’s the membership like outside cities?

      • EP I agreed with your approach 5 years ago and joined my local branch, second meeting I found out everyone there were proud of the bugging of East Timor parliament..tried another branch that didn’t seems so extreme to realise it was run by a pro-fracking aboriginal woman and a skinhead zhinoist Maoist communist, both globalist, who simply left no room for discussion of anything other than winning. I would recommend if someone wanted to try, to join as a group, brush up on protocol and book giving short presentations for the next meetings on the CCP and the globalist agenda. It would be good if you could give any suggestions of approaches to take.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Find one of her garbage books about, of course, herself. She was an elite little girl who grew up with empathy.

      The epitome of what is bringing Australia to its knees. The typical voice behind Labor’s inner city failure.

      • I just googled her – Turramurra High and the now closed Australian International Independent School (AIIS). In Sydney terms that isn’t elite. [I say this as a GPS old boy!]

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          I’ll find the book, have a read and provide some excerpts some day. I might have set fire to it.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Okay, it’s in my diary. I’ll either find the book? I think I know where it is, or I’ll find what she is elsewhere.

            Privileged little rich girl, given all the opportunities.

  7. working class hamMEMBER

    Labor has changed position from second last to last, on my ballot. All independents in the senate.
    How can SFM seem to be the more sensible option? 2020 just keeps on giving.

  8. Goodness, so many words, I get the feeling that you’re a bit peeved.
    Probably just had a bad night, which I can completely relate to, how can one pesky mosquito ruin a good nights sleep?

    • Catch up mate. Everyone knows it’s not one Mozzie, it’s a whole swarm of sellouts he’s swatting! The paper tigers hiding behind them should be grateful to these moles considering their own utterly pathetic efforts. It doesn’t mean the public is buying it though. Maybe the more feeble minded mouthpieces & those lining their pockets with Redbacks?

      “The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Garry Kasparov

  9. Totes BeWokeMEMBER

    Morrison should finish Labor off today. Announcing Australia will no longer tolerate dual citizenship with Chinese. They will have to relinquish the passport they don’t want.

    Of course Labor would oppose it, Australia would see Labor for what they have become.

    Edit; LNP want Labor exactly where they are. Unelectable and allowing LNP to do whatever they want. Ergo, Labor are even hurting LNP’s response.

  10. News.com.au had a poll, should AUSTRALIA kowtow to China, 88% said No, with over 100k votes, that’s a pretty good sample size

  11. Belt&Road Dan Andrews! Had a good laugh watching his childish grin smiling signing the documents with the CCP agents on last night’s ABC news. W T F ! What were they putting in his brown paper bag?
    WHo put a school boy in charge of Victoria

  12. Poochie the Rockin DogMEMBER

    Bob Carr is likely corrupt – I once tutored a guy (an ex trader), he had a friend working in Bob Carrs office & he said that Harry triguboff was there every other day.

  13. Repost this from the Conversation

    “re. “Australian governments, particularly the Coalition (been in power for the majority of last 20 years) have been falling over themselves to be dependant on China. And who has made the money? Not the redundant workers of the lost industries.”

    The above just about nails it definitively Anne. There’s a very good reason why Clownshoes has slunk off to his birth-country & is keeping a very low profile – he is PRIMARILY responsible for the dumbfcuk-disaster otherwise known as ‘ChAFTA’ …

    Here’s what the redoubtable Bob Kinnaird had to say about it at the time – when everyone else was making whoopeee! re. the extreme ‘fcukover’ of our sovereignty which ‘ChAFTA’ entails:

    “Labor’s support for ChAFTA has all but guaranteed the permanent surrender of Australian sovereignty over key parts of our migration program and laws, and the permanent loss of rights of Australian citizens and permanent residents to jobs in Australia.

    The Labor and Coalition leaderships both know this but have not told the Australian people or the Australian Parliament.

    Labor’s decision to pass the treaty-status ChAFTA unchanged effectively ensures the permanent removal of the Australian government and Parliament’s right:

    -🎆 To impose any limit on the number of visas granted in the entire standard 457 visa program for skilled workers or the shorter-term 400 visa.

    -🎆 To apply labour market testing (LMT) in the entire standard 457 visa program.

    -🎆 To apply LMT in the 400 visa program to a whole new foreign worker category in binding FTAs – ‘installers and servicers’ of machinery and equipment. These include for the first time in FTAs sub-trade or semi-skilled workers, and possibly even unskilled workers, as well as skilled workers.

    -🎆 To apply other regulatory measures in the 457 and 400 visa programs that remain unspecified and ambiguous, and which the Australian Parliament has not even inquired about. What is covered by Australia’s commitment not to apply ‘economic needs tests or other procedures of similar effect’ to foreign nationals in these visa programs is not even known.

    -🎆 To make laws giving preference in redundancy situations to Australian workers over standard 457 visa workers, and likewise over the ‘installers and servicers’ on 400 visas. The ‘national treatment’ provisions of FTAs prohibit such ‘discrimination’ in favour of Australian workers, but the Treaties Committee reports to Parliament on ChAFTA said nothing about this either.”

    We urgently need a Royal Commission into the ‘WHOLESALE-SELLOUT’ of our sacrosanct-sovereignty which has been effected under 20 years or so of ‘quasi-treasonous’ neo-liberal governments in this country.“

  14. Good thing a Trump victory is looking very likely now.

    One would know listening to the recent evidence hearings.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      I’m hoping so. I just stumbled on some sizable bets i had forgotten about, put on Trump years ago to serve his term out. They should pay out regardless. I’ve also got a few big bets pending on the overall result.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          Sportsbet on the day. $1.67. I doubt they still taking bets. I heard they paid out winning Biden.

          My serving his term out was betfair. I actually traded the bet (betting and laying) for a long time and made great money…I was happy to be stuck with the bet, not being able to trade out of it, then forgot i still had a bet outstanding.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER


            I think they paid out on Shorten too. Someone is making expensive mistakes in that place. I also heard if Trump had/has won they’ve lost many millions.

            That’s not running a book. That’s gambling.

      • They’ve been given access to the Dominion software and hardware in Georgia – I watched a team hack these machines in under 5 minutes and a group of engineers were able to find something like 20 exploits in under 2 hours – all of which were able to flip votes entirely undetected.

        Also watched a hacker from Googles iPhone hacking team hack an iPhone from a separate room with no internet or telephony access.

        Basically if they can prove these machines hackable they can force the cancellation of the election – ………..mind blown.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        To see the left in Australia and elsewhere lose their minds over this would be so ridiculously fulfilling.

        Flip side there’d be incredible violence in America. Either way i think that’s coming.

    • RobotSenseiMEMBER

      The last four years have been filled with “they just handed Trump another four years”. You’re sounding like a broken record. Can I take these Trump 2021 bets? I’d like an early retirement.

  15. pro-scienceMEMBER

    The Defence Legislation Amendment (Enhancement of Defence Force Response to Emergencies) Bill 2020 will allow foreign forces into Australia to help with “emergencies” and give them immunity from prosecution:
    If you don’t agree you can sign this petition:

  16. Why do those on they left always seem to miss the fact that we are responding, Morrisson responded to tweets, we blocked Hua we ei when it became apparent the potential capabilities for a hostile power using 5G, we joined the QUAD after their SCS claim etc etc but they always seem to victim blame. They literally are such nice people they seem incapable of seeing these actions through the eyes of a dictator driven by his Marxist-Leninist ideology which means destruction of all other systems of government & the very fabric of the liberal left (to which I am partly affiliated v

  17. “As the head of the Asia Society globally, Kevin07 is not objective. I’ve noted for years how he has skirted the tough China questions which is his notion of how to be friends with it”

    I don’t ever recall you saying this about Rudd, I do recall you hating Gillard because she saw off your Rudd. If my memory serves me right you had a bromance with him.

  18. China has just achieved what is in military terms known as “Quantum Supremacy” – it can do calculations in 200 seconds what it would take the worlds most powerful super computer 2.5 Billion years to complete. This is from Phys.org – so its not rubbish to be dismissed. The worlds most powerful computer was Google Sycamore – this is billions of times faster.


    They also just turned on their artificial sun with their fusion reactor..

    They also tested a Mach 16 ‘Sodramjet’ (2 hours to anywhere on the planet) and launched the worlds first 6G Satellite to start testing their 6G roll out.

    Meanwhile Google as 1500 staff threatening to walk out because they fired someone who said their AI was racist as it was trained on primarily western based literature and bad for the planet because it used the equivalent of 2 cars worth of fossil fuel.

    Lols. We are in so much trouble……

    • The90kwbeastMEMBER

      Assuming any of this actually happened. I would take any announcements from that country on any technology with a healthy pinch of salt.

    • Fabian AlderseyMEMBER

      Thanks for the lols. I just googled those quantum supremacy developments. The article I read said that it was billions of times faster than a typical supercomputer, but not as fast as Google’s Sycamore, which achieved quantum supremacy last year.
      The article also said that the approach, using photons, involved effectively building the specific instruction set into the hardware/ light array. To program something else, you need to completely rebuild the hardware.
      Quantum computing is still many years away from being taken out of the laboratory.
      But sure, every single Chinese citizen has the equivalent of a billion nuclear missiles strapped to themselves and can reach New York from Beijing in under 40 Nanoseconds using a quantum lazer widgetidoo.

      • I just googled those quantum supremacy developments. The article I read said that it was billions of times faster than a typical supercomputer, but not as fast as Google’s Sycamore

        No – no you did not do any of that.

    • ignoratio elenchiMEMBER

      Regards quantum computing. This is successful proof that quantum is faster than standard computing. This was strictly theoretical until last year, when Google did it first.
      Regards fusion: This has been possible in smaller installations for many years. There has not yet been an installation whereby the amount of energy generated by a reactor is greater than that used to generate the reaction itself. This article does not state that this has been achieved.
      Regards scramjets: you didn’t link anything ? I will note that I read reports of Russia having this technology too. I have yet to read any proof.
      Regards Google sacking a researcher: Yes they did.

      • What ?

        We have had quantum computing for nearly 8 years now – China launched a Quantum satellite several years ago – you seriously have no idea what you are talking about. They have a ground based quantum military network.

        There is only one other steady state Tokamak fusion reactor which will be turned on in 2025 ITER in France – with a consortium of internationals – there have been demonstrations of plasma since the 1960’s with Tokamaks – but not a continuous fusion reactor like this.

        The Chinese fusion reactor is indeed hoped to produce more energy than put it, it will also be used to support the consortium ITER research project.

        The ITER Tokamak has been under planning and construction for 35 years.

        It is not a scramjet. it is a Sodramjet – as I said it is a different kind (hence 3 times faster than any known scramjet)

        Standing oblique detonation ramjet engine – it uses the Sonic Boom to force air in – hence way faster than scramjet.


  19. Why do those on they left always seem to miss the fact that we are responding, Morrisson responded to tweets, we blocked Hua we ei when it became apparent the potential capabilities for a hostile power using 5G, we joined the QUAD after their SCS claim etc etc but they always seem to victim blame. They literally are such nice people they seem incapable of seeing these actions through the eyes of a dictator driven by his Marxist-Leninist ideology which means destruction of all other systems of government & the very fabric of the liberal left (to which I am partly affiliated 😉)

    • Just to be clear – we banned Huawei with zero evidence in a clear infraction of world trade laws – they have responded. White House has openly admitted (as has France, UK, Germany and others) that there is zero evidence of Huawei spying. Banning them was a CLEAR infraction of trade laws.

      We sent military ships into their disputed waters – they did not send theirs into ours.

      They have now responded and who is whinging ?

      • Nonsense!
        there is one indisputable evidence: Made in China.
        It is preposterous to think that ban on Hu-a-wei is related to trade ban on competing tech that is winning the race by a large margin.

        • …categorically do not belong to China.

          Categorically to which China (PRC or ROC) these island do not belong to?
          To whom do they belong then?

        • Disputed or not we, along with the USA have, repeatedly gone into those Islands, and Chinese air space (not disputed). The USA has also ventured into numerous sovereign waters outside the disputed Spratlys.

          Either way – the Chinese are not sending ships into the international waters off the Coast of the USA deliberately antagonizing them – its just absurd that you think somehow China is being the aggressor here when the USA is sending Air Craft Carriers to their shores, ballistic missile batteries in Korea and weaponizing Taiwan – it really beggars belief how anyone can think this way.

          Its pure military aggression of the worst kind and entirely uncalled for.

          • Strangely nearly all the other nations of they SCS are quieter happy for the Americans to sail there, many even have US bases on their soil, these nations are happy to have the Americans there, so the Americans have every right to go In intentional waters & airspace, as it’s not China’s and other nations around the SCS have vested interests

  20. pfh007.comMEMBER

    “.. The CCP system cannot liberalise its economy sufficiently to take it beyond the middle-income trap for the obvious reason that doing so risks a desire for real freedom in its polity….”

    This involves a large serve of wishful thinking.

    With modern technology a country like China need not fear a rich population.

    Australian is a an excellent example of how a population can be rich and completely harmless to its ruling class.

    A rich and authoritarian China is more likely than not.

  21. haimona12MEMBER

    K Rudd et al are mostly pointing out the folly of OzPM’s decision apparently taken in less than 45 minutes to take on a mid tier bureaucrat at MFAPRC. It is perfectly OK to point out this decision was stupid and self defeating without going soft on the PRC. In fact, for those of us who are very concerned about the PRC’ behavior and tendencies, the OzPM’s decision is even more mortifying because it was so absurdly dumb.

  22. I read that Morrison apologised to Rudd over lying about him having a quarantine exemption – he might as well have apologised to China.