CCP applies Hong Kong security law to Planet Earth

From your friendly neighbourhood tyrannical regime:

No more Drew Pavlou’s for you.

David Llewellyn-Smith
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    • Diogenes the CynicMEMBER

      Yes. My wife who is was born in HK has heard from a friend that many of her Hk relatives who came here in the 1990s, bought a property, had a child (aussie citizen) are now moving from HK to Australia. Their insurance policy is being cashed in.

  1. Ronin8317MEMBER

    Not defending China, but this is no different from the US arresting the Huawei CFO for violating US sanctions, despite her never setting foot in the US.

  2. “Did Beijing just grant itself sweeping extraterritoriality to…everyone on the planet?”

    When extraordinary rendition began the USA post 9-11 (and in participating nations) the West lost moral authority. Add this to the firesafe of western intellectual property through the treason of neoliberalism and the collapse of the Middle class and Western political discourse and the rot was supercharged.

    Rather than focusing only on the new HK policy (which is tyrannical and disturbing) the West needs to consider that in failing to actually defend democratic and western values while in hot pursuit of $ from China is the issue. With a willingness to play footsies with the CCP gorilla, we have brought this upon ourselves. Whether it is the West’s self-hating Left, the snow screen of a concern over “racism” preventing us from defending cultural values or the illogical PC drivel that gets in the way of truth, the West has cashed in its chips at the CCP casino. Hong Kong’s problems began with the West pulling out of the discourse that defended values for fear that ‘difference’ and the boldness to claim that they are better values is ‘racist’. The CCP has exploited this to the hilt. The CCP is not the Chinese people, but a virus of Maoist ideology tacked on to a Stasi-like apparatus. Those of the far Left who can only see issues through the lens of ‘race’ have conjoined to help the Right get into bed with a regime that is the antithesis of liberal values.

    In Australia, all the apologists and opportunists from Paul Keating to Dan Andrews need to tell us how Western values can be reconciled with their policy of getting into bed with the CCP? The New Asian century as a driver of globalisation has come to an end. Their narrow neoliberal vision is dangerous as it sells out to the highest bidder and has taken us back to the 1930s.

    Taiwan is the next cab of the rank. Fixing this decline requires an honest conversation about Australian values and culture – something we have not had for twenty years. It is not essentially a ‘China’ problem, but a loss of our own integrity that has been sold off by a series of spineless governments over the last 20 years.

    • Cookie Cutter

      +1 Clive. The loss of moral authority is the most serious.

      We forget that there’s an Australian journalist sitting in a London jail cell awaiting extradition to the US for breaking US security laws.

      The West has no authority to lecture China now.

    • Stormy Waters

      Solid comment. The greatest tragedy of the last 30 yers has been the West’s dereliction of its principles. The Anglosphere has squandered moral authority and ability to claim best practice in virtually all domains.

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      The rest of the post is spot on, but this:

      Whether it is the West’s self-hating Left, the snow screen of a concern over “racism” preventing us from defending cultural values or the illogical PC drivel that gets in the way of truth, the West has cashed in its chips at the CCP casino.

      Is just sublime in its absurdity.

      • Yeah, who cares about evidence. Who cares about the record if you can live in an echo chamber and self baste in ideological affirmation. It’s no good having a panel full of flashing red lights for those who are colour blind. The basis for all systemic corruption of principle and values is first removing the ability to have an honest conversation. All else follows. It’s simply impossible to believe that the political class (Left and Right) and its various lampreys cannot see that a failure to defend basic democratic principles and values is not THE core issue domestically and internationally. Free speech is the most fundamental of these values and the Far Left has done more than any political group in living memory to it shut down along with and reasoned debate. Statistics and evidence don’t matter – opinion, ideology and emotion does. People have been leaving the ALP in droves – just as they have been leaving unions. The ALP is stuffed because it has got used to the bad smell of having its head planted up its own @rse that it thinks it is normal. It is an utter catastrophe that Green politics has been wedded to far Left insanity.

        https://www.smh.com.au/federal-election-2019/sack-nutter-spy-chiefs-to-fix-relations-with-beijing-paul-keating-urges-20190505-p51k9p.html

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-15/greens-cassy-oconnor-yongbei-tang-row-deepens/10376686

        https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/clive-hamilton-slams-useful-idiots-of-chinese-influence-on-campus-20190808-p52f8c.html

        • drsmithyMEMBER

          Yeah, who cares about evidence.

          LOL.

          To use a few obvious examples, if western leadership looked even remotely what you are trying to say it looks like:
          * same sex marriage would never have been made illegal, let alone have taken ~10-15 years after that to be decriminalised.
          * unionisation rates would be extremely high rather than approaching irrelevance
          * we wouldn’t be facing outrage over the idea of raising the dole by $75
          * the ABC wouldn’t be hopelessly compromised by LNP quislings

          Free speech is the most fundamental of these values and the Far Left has done more than any political group in living memory to it shut down along with and reasoned debate.

          No it hasn’t. In no small part because the “Far Left” has approximately zero political influence anywhere in the world.

          Statistics and evidence don’t matter – opinion, ideology and emotion does.

          The statistics and evidence says that the Left haven’t been anywhere near power in decades, and that the Overton window has been ratcheting steadily rightwards, towards a sort of neo-feudalism, or if we’re unlucky, fascism.

          • Who on earth is defending western leadership in the last 30 years – not me that’s for sure. As for the Left’s ‘political’ leadership the point is that it is the ‘non-political’ avenues via institutions where the far Left’s influence has been solidified – i.e. via the back door (universities, media etc). The political sacred cows of the Left (i.e. same sex marriage, female wage gaps and now trans rights etc) are clearly important to some members of society and need to be taken seriously for that reason alone – even if they each have flaws in the starting precepts. But symbolic lynch pins in western liberalism and democracy they are not, even if people have deluded themselves otherwise. Much of the debates they have defined have Australia distracted by endless red herrings over issues that our parliaments should have deliberated on rather than being rolled into the witch brew of rights-based twaddle that cares not for evidence nor free speech. Far more important debates should have concerned, say, a Bill of Rights and moving to ensure that we lived in a meritocracy blind to race, sex and identity – not possessed by it. In Australia the Left bangs on about racism and women’s rights but is totally unprepared to take it on where abuse is on an industrial scale in Asia and the Middle East. Remember that bit about the standard you walk by being the standard you accept?

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            Who on earth is defending western leadership in the last 30 years – not me that’s for sure.

            I didn’t say you were defending it, I said it looks nothing like you are trying to portray it.

            As for the Left’s ‘political’ leadership the point is that it is the ‘non-political’ avenues via institutions where the far Left’s influence has been solidified – i.e. via the back door (universities, media etc).

            Conservatives own most of the media, and certainly the most influential media (ie: the stuff decision makers consume).

            But symbolic lynch pins in western liberalism and democracy they are not […]

            Same sex marriage was an issue of equal rights before the law. About as “symbolic lynch pin of western liberalism” as you can get.

            That’s about as much of your incoherent persecution syndrome and cloud-shouting as I could get through. Like I said, your whole thesis falls apart with even a cursory look at reality, where the multitude of “lefty” issues that have a) had to be fought for tooth and nail for years and years, b) had little legislative success at all, or c) been under constant attack.

  3. frag outMEMBER

    Nobody has any right to interfere in China’s laws or national security even if they have become the subject (target) of them.

    You have to admire how unashamed they are, but methinks sooner or later they will do a lot more than just shoot themselves in the foot with these antics on so many fronts.

  4. In the world of the future people that have made any negative gender, sexual preferences, racial or religious commentary on the internet (unless of course it was against heterosexuals, Whites/Christians or men.. i.e. ‘unprotected’ groups)… are liable to be arrested upon entry to any one of a number of nations (those in EU plus USA, UK all come to mind).

    To me this exists in a similar fashion to this law. Speech on the internet is global and can be seen by any person, anywhere.
    Given that, then, a user anywhere in the world that says something that would be ‘against the law’ in a particular country, has committed a crime they can be liable to be prosecuted for in that country.
    As we are told. “hate speech is not free speech” and what is considered hate gets ever broader.
    Is it a perversion of justice? Yes.
    But since when has that stopped people that want to impose something to suit their own ends/beliefs?
    If the above sounds far fetched, it has already happened to holocaust deniers..

    Make posts critical of China’s handling of HK independence, get arrested when entering China or HK and put on trial.
    No you say? No, not yet.. soon.

  5. So after reading this and the comments. Surely this only applies if the china has a extradition treaty with a country where the person is arrested or resides. Even Australia can charge or jail you for crimes committed overseas. That is part of Australian law. We all know what for. So I don’t see why object to this unless you think it’s ok for a local to travel overseas and commit horrendous crimes then come back and be immune from prosecution. We have international norms and treaties to uphold.
    Having said that our government can deny extradition requests and have done so in the past, though frankly not enough in my opinion. It should not be acceptable for the USA or any country to extradite an Australian citizen without public oversight or oversight by our courts as to the validity of the request.

    In addition we could cancel our extradition agreement with the china now and tell them to go jump. But it seems to me a lot of those who have the means to flee Hong Kong are not going to be of good character and we should seriously consider allowing extradition. We are all aware of the articles here of money laundering into property and stories of Chinese buyers turning up with a suitcase full of cash.
    And we should not be opening our borders to people leaving Hong Kong to come here without a great deal of scrutiny. They will be the wealthy and not desirable citizens no doubt with a large number of CCP agents included. Let’s be very careful about what we do and don’t over react.

    • Luca BiasonMEMBER

      what are you taking about? we don’t have an extradition treaty in place with China nor I am privy to any Australian laws asserting extraterritorial jurisdiction over every person on the planet.

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