Weekend Reading: 7-8 March 2020

Global Macro / Markets / Investing:





Leith van Onselen


    • TheRedEconomistMEMBER

      Was up the local late yesterday arvo and the publican told me they had to tell some bloke (vibrant) to move on from the car park, because he was selling dunny paper out of back of his van.

      The world has gone nuts!!!

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Indian bloke at work tells me his mate has a garage full of toilet paper, tissues, toothpaste etc. Gonna make a killing on gumtree he says.

        • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

          Toilet Paper – the first bit of potential adversity that we face as a nation that can’t be solved by lowering Interest Rates and only as big an inconvenience as wiping your arse, and what does the country do – totally falls apart.

          Can you imagine what would happen if it was a petrol shortage? If a serious catastrophe should ever befall us, this country will fracture into a million pieces – then you’ll all see how much Culture matters:


          When this sh!t subsides I’m going to become the biggest phucking prepper.

          • Arthur Schopenhauer

            Yep, it’s pretty clear their is not much emotional maturity or trust in parts of Oz.
            I’ve been wondering how much cheap money is a factor in this. Many people think access to debt is real wealth. Debt makes everything seem easy and effortless. Stuff that is difficult or impossible without debt, becomes easy. All the hard work and social relationships needed to build a real enterprise that creates real wealth are brushed aside.

            However, when the tide goes out, there are no hard earned skills or resilience, because our economy hasn’t demanded them. And this lack is subsumed into our culture.

          • MountainGuinMEMBER

            If we get panicked about bog rolls, how far off is a run on the banks? A bit of fear and a few rumors may be enough to trigger. I dont think we are near this risk yet, but if China stays shut and we get a lot of local quarantine, it could be feasible

          • Arthur Schopenhauer

            Thanks Stewie. At least the US has a strong mythos and founding story to try to bind it together.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            Australia did have a strong mythos and founding story to it, it was carved from the dust by convicts and early colonial white settlers who built every city and founded every institution that we enjoy today.

            …sorry that WAS our strong mythos. The only acceptable story of our colonial past today is one that portrays settlers as brutally and as culpably as possible, leaving Colonial Australians holding all the baggage around founding and building a nation, carving it out of the dust and the ashes, while re-pointing all that Australia is to the noble “immigrant” – as though it were they that built Australia and not our embarrassing Colonial white ancestors.

            I’ve had Indians argue with me that they’re actually doing us a favour by moving to Australia as we were such a cultural backwater that I should be embarrassed by the fact I admitted to any Colonial ancestry. This isn’t what Australians signed up to when we were told MultiCult would enrich us.

            But hey, as the great Toilet Paper scare of 2020 has shown us, we’re so much more united now in the EZFKA.

        • Rorke's DriftMEMBER

          One of the features of massive multiculturism is to break down cohesiveness in society. When the shxt hits the fan, nobody gives a stuff about their neighbours toiletry needs and hordes in order to financially exploit their need. I heard a man breakdown in tears on the radio as, being on a disability support pension, he can only afford to shop on fortnight payday and then modestly and went from shop to shop and couldnt find toilet paper and basic necessities. I’d jail any prick hoarding and selling to exploit there fellow citizens.

          • bolstroodMEMBER

            I think you mistake it for the Neo Lberal agenda.
            Getting people to think of themselves as Consumers (individuals) as opposed to Citizens (collective)
            It is certainly deliberate strategy.

        • drsmithyMEMBER

          Indian bloke at work tells me his mate has a garage full of toilet paper, tissues, toothpaste etc. Gonna make a killing on gumtree he says.

          He sounds well integrated into the Australian way of life.

          • Mining BoganMEMBER

            See, I think the Strayan way is to buy lots of cheap rubbish from Ebay then do a 200% markup as “homemade crafts” at the local fete or car boot markets.

            WuFlu is about to bring that little game to a sudden halt.

        • Indians on gumtree are a crack up. We sold a bucket of old plastic kids toys for $10 to one. Perhaps he is going to sell each one off for $3 and make a clean $20 profit! Will only take him three hours work.

          The thing is they are still valuing their time and labour at India prices.

          Oh also saw one bloke selling thyme (the herb). Photo was of a scrawny bush from his own garden. Or possibly his neighbour’s front garden. Price per bunch was more than the supermarket price! Didn’t have the heart to start trolling him with questions.
          “Is it dinner thyme?”
          “Is it party thyme?”
          “I just need more thyme!”

          And to really confuse him… “Watch our for procrastination!”

          (answers on the back of a used P95 mask pls)

          • Was it Wozniak that said India was lacking in innovative capabilities?

            A low lying fruit, quick win mindset ingrained in the Indian psyche.

        • Does he also have land in Werribee to offload on Gumtree?

          This is ‘innovation’ Indian stylee!

    • My sister lives in South Tyrol, chatting last nigh and the fat-bogan-Aussie dunny roll panic hoarders got a pasting in their media.

    • billygoatMEMBER

      Who Gives A Crap…excellent marketing gimmick. Im tipping ms janewoski who ‘accidentally’ entered 48 boxes and not rolls is a distant cousin / employee of WGAC. Straight out of the real estate play book. A prize F wit on all accounts

  1. john6007MEMBER

    missed out but have TP, 200L Diesel, Bake Beans & Ham Sauce, Carton of wine, a stack of pineapples & lobsters, all set.

    • migtronixMEMBER

      Those pineapples are going to be handy when #ScottyFromMarketing comes round to shake your hand.

    • DingwallMEMBER

      Carton of wine ………….. well you should still be worried ……… that’s not nearly enough

  2. The old duck keeps about 100 rolls of TP in the house at any given time. She was pretty dirty she couldn’t maintain the high water mark this week with woolies cleaned out.

    Also why are Chinese restaurants going bust? I thought they’d be the most resilient given they only pay $10 p/h.

    • Many are just money laundering operations into Aussie property, and the money from China has stopped.

        • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

          You can make up any kind of turnover you want.
          No record keeping of individual customers and amounts paid are required.
          And a business that commonly receives cash without raising a red flag at the ATO.
          There is a suburban Chinese restaurant near me thats been going for over 20 years that Ive never seen a customer go into.

          Probably turns over a million bucks a year.

        • When I lived in London I was a block from a beautiful old pub, wonderful tasteful reno inside, nice bar staff, good food, down a side street, almost never had more than a few customers.

          I was perpetually worried it would go bust and close, leaving me without my favourite pub, until the manager dropped me the quiet hint that the family owning it didn’t really care if it made money… in fact it was better if it didn’t…!

          • Fishing72MEMBER

            Try The Mulia hotel in Bali. One of the most luxurious hotels in the world . Must be hundreds of rooms and I’ve never once seen more than twenty people there.

            The Balinese locals reckon it’s just a huge Chinese black money laundry.

      • Lol love it!

        No auctions scheduled today in ACT due to public holiday. I’m going to stand around in the front garden of random houses at 10 am drinking Corona anyway.

        • DominicMEMBER

          I think Corona beer could become a cult thing and must be half price at the moment shirley?

          • Bargain! Put a slice of lemon in (vitamin C) and they will pretty much cure anything.

        • The Traveling Wilbur

          Due to the public holiday I thought you’d be doing something different from your average weekend?

          • Absolutely.

            – early bed on Fri
            – tormenting 50% fewer RE agents this morning. Will just visit a couple and mention the stock market crash and coronavirus as impacting upon my (buyer) sentiment.
            – googling the difference between “covering shorts” and “covering pillows”
            – not going to the Bonds outlet – apparently they are really expensive right now and have hardly any yield (whereas I like stretchy ones).

    • DominicMEMBER

      Not at all – if you can get to as many as possible that would be much appreciated

    • Went through wittenoom in 1988.
      Went halfway up the gorge towards the old mine. It was early morning and pulled up near the creek. The dew was dripping off the trees with a blue fleck in it. Then it dawned on us ! It was a high speed getaway.
      I don’t think there’s any lasting issues, they say it should show up within 30 yrs !

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Carlos, you should be alright, the ships engine rooms were full of it 50yrs ago and I’m still alright, cough cough.
        Wonderful product still not matched to this day.
        Even better got my extra high fence past though council due to flaking the asbestos on next doors roof.

        • Booma – were you working in blue asbestos or white asbestos – from what I read even one dose of blue asbestos could be enough.

          • We used to have ‘snow fights’ with that ships lagging in the 80’s – it was white. A couple of older workers got it & were gone by the late 90’s. Couple more have Mesothelioma from it & even their oxygen bottles don’t do much, they’re always blue in the face & just hanging on. Ignorance is bliss – till it bites you on the arse.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            triage, Colin answered for me but from bad memory I think sometimes blue would be mixed in with the white. Ships were not the only source, in WA I lived in a fibro with similar roof and fences. Had misgivings even then and held my breath when grinder dry cutting the fence, walls etc.

          • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

            I come across broken pieces of fibro under people’s houses at least once a fortnight and even rasped down a 150 mm (6 inch) asbestos down pipe nozzle when 17 to fit a PVC bend over it.
            My tradsman called me down the ladder and told me to wash all the dust of myself before some one saw me.
            First time I was was told Asbestos is bad and in fibro sheeting.
            If im genetically predisposed to Mesothelioma Ill probably get it.

            I spoke to an asbestos researcher at the Easter Show years ago and said that I think there is a little bit of mass hysteria around asbestos as so many people are regularly exposed it and relative few peopke get Mesothelioma compared to rates of exposure.
            I go on to say to her that I reckon Probably only a small percentage of the population, maybe less than one percent, will be genetically predisposed to getting the immuno response to the asbestos fibres that is mesothelioma.
            She listens to this and pauses contemplating her response
            and eventually says,
            Well until we have a test that identifies who is and isn’t predisposed,…Its Mass hysteria for everyone.
            I laugh and say fair enough starting to walk away to the next stand.
            Good luck she says as I leave.

            I think about that conversation every time I toss a piece of asbestos aside crawling under a customers house.

  3. Bat Eater Virus

    Looking at another night of carnage on US markets.

    But really, the inevitable 30-40% drop in markets is a non-issue at this point. That’s happening. Big recession on the cards. That’s small potatoes though.

    That’s best case scenario. We get through this in a few months with a big overdue correction in financial markets, governments start QE, negative interest rates, we get on with our lives. Look forward to the next season of MAFS. It’s all good.

    But now we now have to be considering the collapse of western economies. Small businesses collapsing left right and centre. Most small businesses can’t stomach more than a 1 or 2 month collapse in revenue. We’re looking at mass unemployment, mass homelessness. Deaths in the hundreds of thousands. Millions of lives put on hold. Our way of life changed forever. The kind of event a country never recovers from.

    We won’t be far behind Europe and the USA in the acceleration of our infection count, so the next two weeks in Europe and the USA is the key. If the rest of western Europe turns into Italy it’s gave over for us.

    The idea that this virus will burn away in three months time, 6 months time is probably wishful thinking. Good chance we’re dealing with this time next year. It could burn away, but the experts have been wrong every step of the way so far.

    The economic consequences of this continuing through to next year are unimaginable. Business owners losing everything, families living in cars cooking baked beans on propane stove, mass crime waves.

    Life will eventually go on. And it won’t be complete misery because you can go to many places in the developing world and see smiling face, but Australians are going to have to reset their expectations. Life will become a fight for survival in the aftermath and they’ll become grateful for every small joy in life.

    • You sound like the economic version of the guy who comes on here and warns of the imminent collapse of politics and high society owing to occult paedo rings in high places. Just wait, it is about to happen…

    • BigDuke6MEMBER

      Chill bro. The can will be kicked down the road some moar. It always is until it isn’t.
      I have to admit I’m ashamed of the toilet paper thing. Aussies are going soft

    • DominicMEMBER

      But will the vibrants stay or go? Can you check your crystal ball again please?

      • BigDuke6MEMBER

        The Uk is ALWAYS 15 years ahead of Australia. Tony blair let in 3 million while keeping 2.8m brits on benefits. Also Europe brought more. Now the Uk has got past the “you are racist” shi$e because it doesn’t work anymore. Their government is strong cw scomo and crew so the vibrants are slowing. Sadly we have 15 years of pain to be getting there

        • Wot? bojo loves vibrants.
          UK is going full blast to our immigration model.
          Theresa May had the right idea Bojo… no.

  4. Did like the look of the person sitting opposite me on the train home. I coughed a bit, they removed them selves pronto. Good peasant.

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      A kid had a coughing bout at Friday afternoon primary school pick up. Every parent within 5 meters jumped back a good 2m, instantly! 😀

  5. Warning. Drunken rant ensues.

    So I’m out boozing it up. We’re all not angels. Stories of this and that as appear. It’s acceptable. We’re all young(ish). Dude says he works with the Jesuits. I ask whether they report strait to police these days. Apparently I’m making a scene. I’m told that they currently have the best system for rehab in the territory and that my (rather loud) querying about institutional abuse and ongoing tax breaks given to the Jesuits falls outside of the point under discussion. (I am drinking with lawyers). I (loudly) suggest that it is a broader ethical question and that a good deed may not be able to wipe out history of deeds. I get up, pick up my mat, and head to another bar.
    Anyhoo, it’s frustrating to hear that an embedded group of deviants are given leeway due to picking up the slack that government is unable to take up.
    //Rant off

    • The Traveling Wilbur

      Anyhoo, it’s frustrating to hear that an embedded group of deviants are given leeway due to picking up the slack that government is unable to take up.

      And your problem with the public service Treasury drones is what now?

      • I get the jest, yet the abuse of the vulnerable shits me to such a degree that I can only shed more (not-quiite-existent) tears into my beer. To hear those who do have a say about what is acceptable (I was drinking with peeps who write law) dismiss such a horrid history due to convenience and what they saw as a valid legal argument was truly disheartening. And I’m very versed in the dastardly matters of governance.

        • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

          …and yet if I were to drunkenly post a link of the Rotherham child sexual exploitation, calling out ALL Muslims as being perverted child molesters, I’d be a bigoted rac!st.

          • Well, yes, that would be racist. Whereas I was saying an institution (the Jesuits) have a history of covering up abuse and that one program that they run can’t be used as a cover for their problems. I wasn’t saying that all Jesuits abuse, or that all Catholics are abusers. That obviously isn’t the case.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            “But Islam isn’t a race. HAH ! GOTCHA !”

            Yawn – because as regular as clockwork it would be a simple minded point scoring virtue signaler, like yourself, who’d chime in and call or imply me rac!st, and low and behold right on queue….

            BTW – predicting the judgement you would lay on me for my theoretic comment, and using it as an example to point out hypocrisy, doesn’t mean that I also agree I am racist – that is false equivalent that only some dumbsh!t would get excited over.

        • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

          Footsore, I wouldn’t have chided you for your drunken joke – as a Catholic I’d grimace, have a bit of a chuckle and agree that they deserve the critisim. But Pedos are like viruses, they creep into any cell or institution that they can get access to children through – the church, the temples, the public schools and our welfare services.

          All of them have been infested to varying degrees and all of them had conspiracies of silence around, both as cultural and social values at the time and the despicable inter-weaved web that such deviants will spin to both mutually feed their perverted, evil behaviours and protect themselves and those like them.

          But the majority of crimes that have been publicly aired occurred many years ago, long before the Church and their institutions had both reformed and implemented the sort of checks and controls around working with children, that we expect of any institution or body that works with children. This in no way lessens the crime – I feel every bit as disgust and revulsion to those who perpetrated the abhorrent crimes it AND those who were involved in protecting them.

          Criticism of the Jesuits from that time is fair and reasonable, criticism of the slow manner in which they responded, or the conflicts they had in interpreting their faith vs their responsibility to the community is fair and understandable. I have engaged with argued against those who’ve felt those Institutes were in someway not guilty – they absolutely were.

          But the Jesuits now are not the same Institution from then, in the same way our Public Schools, Orphanages, and Child Welfare services are not the same now.

          Personally I find the Jesuits to be a bit too social justice orientated for my liking, but for their ‘Tax Free’ treatment, the vast majority of their priests live a life of relative poverty, they have few possessions. The majority of their time is spent doing pastoral work in their community, organising food drives to build food pantries in our own deprived communities, visiting the dead and dying in our hospitals, trying to comfort their families or, as an educational order, working overseas in some of the most deprived nations of the world, spreading and providing education where often they are the only source available or willing, often at great personal risk and sacrifice:


          So while I wouldn’t have chided you on your joke, had you continued especially making all encompassing comments in the vein of:

          Anyhoo, it’s frustrating to hear that an embedded group of deviants are given leeway due to picking up the slack that government is unable to take up.

          Then yeah, I probably would have started to take your views as being somewhat bigoted and perhaps being an expression of secular anti-Papisim.

          But finally, since you ended with a Philosophical question, in terms of an alternate way of looking at the world:

          I (loudly) suggest that it is a broader ethical question and that a good deed may not be able to wipe out history of deeds.

          YES, there is an alternative philosophical, cultural and religious view point in respect of addressing past wrongs and the pursuit of genuine good deeds to make amends, i.e. forgiveness.

          That alternative is the virtue of hatred, there is already another culture that holds this out as being a virtue – perhaps you should have a read and consider the implications for living in such a society…


          In his classic Holocaust text, The Sunflower, Simon Wiesenthal recounts the following experience.

          As a concentration camp prisoner, the monotony of his work detail is suddenly broken when he is brought to the bedside of a dying Naz!. The German delineates the gruesome details of his career, describing how he participated in the murder and torture of hundreds of J3ws. Exhibiting, or perhaps feigning, regret and remorse, he explains that he sought a J3w—any J3w—to whom to confess, and from whom to beseech forgiveness.

          Wiesenthal silently contemplates the wretched creature lying before him, and then, unable to comply but unable to condemn, walks out of the room. Tortured by his experience, wondering whether he did the right thing, Wiesenthal submitted this story as the subject of a symposium, including respondents of every religious stripe.

          An examination of the respective replies of Christians and J3ws reveals a remarkable contrast. “When the first edition of The Sunflower was published,” writes Dennis Prager, “I was intrigued by the fact that all the J3wish respondents thought Simon Wiesenthal was right in not forgiving the repentant Naz! mass murderer, and that the Christians thought he was wrong.”

          Which side of the fence you come down as to the cultural value of “Forgiveness” is probably a pretty good indication as to which cultural camp of secular barbarians that an individual draws their values, and by extension implications as to what sort of forgiving or unforgiving society that it would lead to.

          Anyhow, I am glad you clarified your position – and besides, I’m not going to hold anyone to serious account for drunken commenting. Glass houses, etc…

      • I get the jest, yet the abuse of the vulnerable sh1ts me to such a degree that I can only shed more (not-quiite-existent) tears into my beer. To hear those who do have a say about what is acceptable (I was drinking with peeps who write law) dismiss such a horrid history due to convenience and what they saw as a valid legal argument was truly disheartening. And I’m very versed in the dastardly matters of governance.

        • The Traveling Wilbur

          Yes. And for clarity I should have added a smiley to my attempt at humour above.

          As to the Lawyers… you’re judging them by human standards. I’m not sure there’s much to be gained from doing so. Kinda my point in referencing a different, but similar group, with similar job related thought processes.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      Who steals a bar mat from one pub to use it in another pub!?
      Or do you carry around your own bar mat when you go out?
      Do you acknowledge either would be considered by most (including me) people to be Odd behaviour.

    • boomengineeringMEMBER

      Will be bringing a large box of mine home from the CC factory today, sleeping over at man cave & surf soon.
      Probably won’t use them though but you never know.

  6. Trigger Finger

    Here is Australian real estate madness summed up in one listing – absolute insanity – half a million dollars for this dumpster fire an HOUR and a HALF from Melbourne next to one of the biggest Meth towns (Wonthaggi – Warnambool and Bairnsdale coming close) in Australia.


    Alternatively here is your half a million dollar house 30 minutes from New York.


    Just absolutely, complete and utter insanity what is going on in this country.


    • Yes, crappy, asbestos shack, but what a block, could grow a decent crop there.

      And yes, could live in that NJ place no wuckers. Interesting to see a pool with no pool fence.

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      Could have bought a condo in central SF 2011. It was great. Bought in Melbourne for twice as much, 3 years later. Fvck’n.

    • “Just absolutely, complete and utter insanity what is going on in this country.”


    • Rorke's DriftMEMBER

      Im not in the market for a house, but had three real estate agents contact me this week, never heard of any of them before. I must have popped in to some open home of theirs in years past, which I do to stickybeak 2 or 3 times a year. Two who called were balmain and mosman in Sydney, both top value areas. Another emailed me a list of upcoming Auctions on his books.

      When agents are going back through their databases to try to flush out a possible buyer it tells me the market is weak. Calling me, an occassional tyre kicker, trying to find demand is a negative market signal.

      • Rorke's DriftMEMBER

        Ok, the guy who emailed the auction list yesterday emailed back with todays results. 11 of 21 on his books sold, being 52%. I appreciate the info actually, however I got on his mailing list.

    • The irony of importing coronavirus and depositing said imports amongst the most vulnerable of our population must have been lost on them.

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      It’s a classic mafia strategy, money or sex. Ideally bribe with one, blackmail with the other.

    • Just look at how the political class has turned a blind eye to all the dirty money flowing into Australian property.


    Rural/urban boundary adding up to $50,000 to price of Auckland homes: economist … Lane Nichols … New Zealand Herald


    … concluding …

    … “The council research shows that the changes are working and that the claimed advantages of removing the RUB are not sustained.”

    Not everyone agrees, however.

    Hugh Pavletich is co-author of the annual Demographia Housing Affordability Survey which found New Zealand housing market is the most over-priced in the developed world relative to household incomes.

    He dismissed the Auckland Council research as “complete drivel” and questioned Norman’s independence.

    “They’d have to use arithmetical gymnastics to come up with that conclusion.”

    Pavletich said the numbers were simple. Raw undeveloped land in rural areas several kilometres outside the RUB was worth $30,000 to $50,000 per hectare. Inside the RUB such land was $2m to $3m or more.

    “It is really that simple. Most laymen could understand it but it appears some economists are baffled by it all.”

    After coming to power in 2017, the Labour government vowed to axe “highly restrictive planning rules like the urban growth boundary” to address house prices.

    In a statement yesterday, Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford said: “I look forward to going over the research, but it’s common sense that if you restrict land, house prices will go up.”

    • “… dismissed the Auckland Council research as “complete drivel” … ”

      Not mincing your words. Nice!

    • The price difference across the zoning boundary is the smoking gun of the housing shortage.

  8. … What Anne Gibson, Property Editor of the New Zealand Herald had to say on the date of release of this years 16th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey 20 January …

    New survey ranks NZ’s most and least affordable cities … Anne Gibson … New Zealand Herald


    Tired of the traffic hassles and back-to-work blues? Thought of moving to Christchurch to get a better life and lifestyle? That city turns out to be by far our most affordable when incomes are compared to house prices.

    Down south, the house prices are low but the incomes are high and out of eight areas just surveyed throughout New Zealand, Christchurch house-buyers have by far the best deal financially. … read more via hyperlink above …

  9. Great comment on public health in the UK that mirrors many others, considering covid -19

    Colonel Smithers
    March 6, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Thank you, Lambert.

    Further to the link about former NHS staff refusing to return, you can add my father, godfather and their former Royal Air Force comrades who have worked at hospitals in Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire. All walked out in disgust at creeping privatisation and politicisation over the past few years. It wasn’t just age catching up with them. Some, but not all, of their EU27 colleagues no longer feel welcome in “Get Brexit Done” land, but are equally fed up with creeping privatisation. The prospect of having to work with and answer to the likes of Matt Hancock and McKinsey journeymen / placemen, like Mr Laura Kuenssberg, is too much. Also, the contact was made by private agencies, not the NHS directly. These parasites are making tens of billions from the NHS annually and count red, blue and yellow neo liberal politicians and hangers on on their boards and share registers.

    Members of the NC community who read French may be interested in https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2020/03/05/au-royaume-uni-austerite-rime-avec-sante-degradee_6031871_3210.html, an article about how austerity has led to a decline in health and ages of mortality.

    In case anyone thinks that nice and presentable and leadership material Sir Keir Starmer will continue Corbyn’s fight on behalf of the NHS, I suggest that they look at who’s funding him and has employed and / or funded his campaign managers and supporters.


    Original article commented on – https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/04/majority-of-retired-nhs-staff-dont-want-to-return-to-tackle-covid-19-crisis?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    I can also confirm this perspective here in Oz years ago, when the push to private health was launched, experienced medical people with decades in service punched out – most were retrenched by MBA admin to make way for a new batch that was more malleable to policy changes. But then again that experiment has been on going throughout vast swaths of public and private services.

    As Smithers notes, its enron like looting with reach arounds and the usual meritocratic Flexians at the helm. Some wonder why I punched out, maybe no amount of pay could blind to what the results entailed for others ….

      • Not that heaps of those fracking plays were just a fraud from the start, this just spotlights, so the next thing is what mobs have been throwing funds at it.

        • It’s a fraud – so what. Those ‘investors’ participating do so voluntarily, Caveat Emptor and all that.

          Nothing new under the sun here.

        • DominicMEMBER

          Oh, so the law mandates that plebs HAVE to invest in fracking? That’s a new one.

          Let the morons and the greedy take the punishment they deserve.

          • You should go back and read your Adam Smith, never the less the broader social implications such endemic fraud wrought … then some wobble on about the decline of society …. chortle …

            Just from the misallocation of Capital alone, never the less a business based on profit and not principles running off with the loot … who said the IPA was not around here anymore …

        • DominicMEMBER

          skip, what do you actually believe in? If you were to nominate a hero, a philosopher, an economist, a political identity that is closest to your heart who would it / they be?

          • Firstly I don’t function on premise of “belief” [tm], secondly I don’t fall into some narrative crafted by some hero, philosopher, economist, political identity and surrender my capacity for thought by putting irretrievable stakes in the ground.

            Even when I read, say any of the above, I then have to study the person, their back ground – back drop, the environmental context associated, along with all the dynamics of specific timelines, contra floating in a sea of my own biases from some environmental starting point. Example would be the misquoting of Darwin’s ‘Survival of the Fittest’ by Ideologues back in the day to support their narrative when its attributed to Spencer.

            I’ve pointed out numerous times that as far as a methodological stand point goes I side with Post Keynesian and agree with the MMT descriptive, which then opens up debate about what policy choices are on offer, contra the neoliberal framework.

            Look I’ve attributed all this over a very long period of time, so for some to claim ignorance is not a good look. I mean your views on corruption are just evident of the wonky methodology you use considering say Adam Smiths views, Gresham, Bill Black, psychology social or individual, and then some wobble on about bank activities or the amount of credit sloshing around the orb.

            One would think the alt-rhts hero Trump, devolving in real time, a cautionary tale about beliefs and projections …

          • No you said believe and I clarified that so the framing was correct, now you leave a completely un-quantifiable post it note that seems to give you some vestige of forethought, even though your previous question was shown to be inaccurate. This is acerbated by years of pointing out the same stuff over and over and attribution to it, yet you claim to be ignorant and then ask for me to present you with some self imposed pigeonhole[?] – what so you can file through your response – in a can – book shelf for a response.

            How could you be so wrong in your original perception and then try to claim any insight.

            I mean for you to be a blind follower of some – in a box – framework of reality, which is couched in prescriptive syntax and not reflective of what actually occurs – over time – is quite the Victorian seance parlor trick.

          • Got what lol … so far you don’t seem to get anything, but substitute it with some ludicrously concocted and myopic thought process that makes sound bites look enlightened.

          • DominicMEMBER

            Okay, you got me. I still didn’t understand a single word you said. Is there a Google thingy for this kind of thing?

      • In a recent interview for Texas Monthly’s podcast Boomtown, McLean explained one of the very accepted and blatantly misleading practices of the fracking industry:

        I’d raise a couple of points. One is that companies have long hyped these break-even numbers. They say we can break even at $25 a barrel, we can break even at $20 a barrel. And then you look at their consolidated financial statements and they are losing money. And so something is going wrong … the people called it to me [sic] … corporate math or investor economics. So they were trying to put together these investor pitch decks that would show investors a set of economics that weren’t real. So they would show you that they could break even on a well at $25 barrel of oil but then yet you’d go to the corporate financial statements and they were losing money.


        Reminds me of Jr gold miners for some silly reason … loot investors on the way up and short it to death on the way down … fellow travelers included … but hay … its a living …

    • migtronixMEMBER

      Yeah who ramped it up at the close? DOW was down 4% at one point. Decent bit of yield curve compression too, 30Y close to 1%.. 2 year Gilts are at 0%.

      NIRP is back.

        • What this all highlights, of course, is that rather than the financial system being ‘more robust’ since the GFC, it is anything but.

          The house of cards looked stable when all was going well, but the moment a tremor hits …

      • Apart from hustlers, criminals, money-launderers and students. They get VIP access.

        • And are now complaining about how much it cost them, as if $20k AUD means anything to kids of Chinese elites. Don’t worry Aus will probably end up paying for their flights and 14 day ‘quarantine’ holidays. Met Russian turned Swiss physics professor on flight from Brisbane to LA few weeks ago. Was shocked when he said he was all for the universities lobbying hard against the travel bans for their Chinese students. It’s all about money for these people. One would think they would be smarter than that but no. Not at all.

          • DominicMEMBER

            Well I guess his salary relies on the river of gold from China, to some extent.

    • Even domestic shipping, Amazon workers, product handlers, mailman. If it really can survive on surfaces for up to 9 days then I seriously doubt how anyone will avoid this virus. Even those with a large toilet paper stash will have to open their bills eventually.

  10. boomengineeringMEMBER

    Bit harder to put the feet up this morn, quite large fish jumping out of the water next to me, one of the downsides to short boards. Under foot fin chop later to boot.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        North Shelley Beach Point Central Coast.
        Not sure which type but looked like overgrown Tailor.
        Could have been Kingfish chasing them, but would have had to be big ones to prey on that size.
        By myself, lucky the fin chop didn’t bleed much.

        • There’s a lot of kingfish around at the moment. My son caught a couple at Neutral Bay Wharf this week.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Used to l live at Kurraba Rd and Ben Boyd rd long time ago. The Cremorne Girls High used to sneak out at night to (see) us at The Doondi.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Without going into details the raucous behavior we exhibited would make Reusa blush.
            Speaking of which, where is he, hope he’s not sick.
            Not you guys again, the Sydney Clinic staff used to greet us with.

          • Ah, Cremorne Girls High – a great example of the idiocy of neoliberalsm. Public school site was sold in the 80s (probably for bugger all) because of falling attendances. The buyer was the private school up the road which is now choc a bloc while still charging over $30k a year in fees.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            The sad thing is all we ever got was NSU but the quite one of us who had 5 sisters and wouldn’t partake in our orgies got the clap.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            To the girls here please look away.
            Too many stories to tell with too much information, eg, never went slops so after swaps in the morn room mate admitted he kissed her

  11. …. and another 500 pt pump at the dow close.
    looks like they cant fudge oil though !!

  12. And here in Kiwiland,I just popped into one of the large supermarkets to be greeted with a stack of toilet paper at the end of Isle 1 ; must have been 3-metres cubed, and just one lonely pack missing from the top. The rest seemed to call out “Here I am!” and no one seemed bothered…

      • The Traveling Wilbur

        and L&P, chocolate fish, real ice cream and proper chocolate. And lamb that doesn’t taste a bit tangy.

        And the best capucinos in the Southern Hemisphere.

    • The panic may get there eventually. When I first noticed the lack of TP, I contacted family interstate who told me that it didn’t look like anything was happening. Then few days later it makes the news…

  13. BigDuke6MEMBER

    The toilet paper fiasco confirms we are going soft and that we are just an economic zone as pointed out here frequently. When I arrived here over 20 years ago I was impressed at how tough Aussies were. Now looking after them and seeing the new kids in crises I’ve not seen such anxiety and weakness. It’s a dark time.

    • Mining BoganMEMBER

      Lovey asked me six weeks ago why I had an extra 18 rolls with the bug-out kit. After the scolding for going into the garage without a male accompanying her, I told her that she will be surprised at what items people will panic buy. It was about then I was just grabbing a few extra things every time I went for a shop to extend the kit from the usual five days to whatever it ends up at.

      Two weeks ago I noticed her doing the same with items she deems necessary. I’ve never been more proud of well thought out paranoia.

      • DingwallMEMBER

        If you had stashed them in the bunker you built, she would never have known……….

      • darklydrawlMEMBER

        Yes MiningB. Must admit my Lovely looked at me with patience and amusement a month ago when I casually mentioned I was popping down the shops for some light prepping. The look is now more one of respect for looking after the family. We’ve not gone full prepper, just some extras in case we need to bunk down for a few weeks.

  14. Has anyone been following the Myer’s saga?
    Talk about down down prices are down, Coles ain’t got nothing on Myer’s when it comes to discounts.
    It’s like watching a tired old boxer in the last rounds, he knows he is going to lose on points so he stands flat footed and throws wild round house punches connecting with nothing but thin air, all the while getting beat to a pulp by a young agile adversary
    How good is Australia?

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      The retail sector had a monopoly on distribution of goods for 150 years. No longer.

      • Retail is not the only Aussie monopoly getting gang raped by reality (or is it realty) so confusing.
        I sometimes wish I was smart enough to understand what’s happening but deep down I suspect that ignorance is all that saves me from despair.

      • Still waiting on a disruptor to Bunnings to emerge. I can remember when they used to boast how they had tradies working the isles, now it is like winning the lottery to even find a Bunnings employee and even double the luck to find someone who does not have to use their phones to answer even the simplest of questions. Together with the high margins they make Bunnings has become fat and lazy and must surely become a target.

        Here’s another: in the ACT there are a couple of fresh food markets, with the Fyshwick Markets being by far the biggest and most lively. At the moment the traders there are up in arms as Aldi is intending to build a store right next door and they are worried it will kill off all these local privately run businesses. Only problem with that is that Fyshwick Markets only operate for about 3 and half days a week, Thursday to Sunday (everyone starts packing up early on Sunday arvos) whereas Aldi will be there 12 hours a day 7 days a week selling locally produced fruit and vege without the premiums the current traders get away with.

        • Really terrific second hand and antiquarian bookstore at the Fyshwick market.
          Also went to Glassworks nearby, that does lots of beautiful glassblowing demonstrations.
          Watched in absolute amazement;
          – people working with molten glass, wearing shorts and open toed sandals. That stuff I extremely hot.
          – a young woman about 28 weeks pregnant doing a demonstration showing how to add colour to glass. Lead, cadmium powders thrown around -all those things that you just don’t do around children( or even adults really), and certainly not during pregnancy.
          The nanny state safety regulations in most places are over the top at times, but in theACT, it seems you can do what you like.

        • It may be just my blinkered view of things but surely there is no equivalence between the goods that Aldi stocks and the local food market?

          My wife proudly shopped in Aldi the other (saving money, lol) and bought the ingredients for a lamb roast. It was one of the worst meals I have EVER had the displeasure of sitting down to. The lamb was atrocious – a lump of bloodied gristle and fat that you had to poke around in to locate some actual meat – which itself was tough and tasteless. Dog knows where they source their lamb but I told the missus not to include me in any future dinners sourced from Aldi.

          • Dominic – I agree with you. I had a few goes at Aldi meat but have given up on it. But, generally, there’s not too much wrong with their fruit and veges, and their prices are competitive.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            She won’t shop there, oh except to occasionally browse the one on the Wharf

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            Bought a whole eye fillet there a couple of weeks back at $20/kg with great scepticism, but the steaks I cut it up into came out OK.

            The sausages I bought at the same time, however – despite being the more “premium” offering – were awful. Not even as good as the Coles/Woolies home-brand “gourmet” bangers.

          • Mining BoganMEMBER

            We’re regular with the lamb shanks. Steaks are okay but the occasional dodgy one. Get what you pay for.

    • Myer deserves credit for recognising that Australian designers and the wares they have been producing from Chinese sweatshops are a) overpriced and b) not selling. This cleansing is long overdue. Compare the garment quality available here with what can be obtained overseas and it is clear these designers are just funding their Aussie Bondi lifestyles. Now they need to fix the staff mentality that has lost the ability to sell.

      • Myer deserves credit
        I agree completely, I’d even go as far as to say that all Aussies and Aussie companies deserve all the Credit that they can swallow. They’re all entitled to load themselves to the eyeballs with debt and then default in such a way that makes their debt my problem, that’s the real “great Aussie dream”. I just wonder if they’ll go private again and try for a quick VC to Public company rinse repeat cycle before their brand is tarnished beyond recovery.

  15. boomengineeringMEMBER

    After yesterday’s discussion about your concern over weapon protection. Just buy yourself a speargun, no licence required. Take the monofiliment off because the spear would go much further in air and spring back for you to wear it otherwise.

    • Another great idea boom – when you think about it there’s plenty of fairly dangerous kit out there. A nail gun was another option but the newer ones have a safety feature inbuilt which means the gun only activates when pressed up against the surface you’re intending to penetrate – in other words, you can’t fire them from distance any more. I’d need to source an old device.

      • You can’t stick a piece of wood over the muzzle (with a hole in the middle) to trick the sensor?

        • DominicMEMBER

          Good point. No idea – I’ll have to get back to you on that one. It all depends where the sensor is located I guess.

          • I am suddenly slightly more interested in this than a responsible member of society would be!

      • Errr you can hold the activator back and fire at will

        Just get yourself organised for a firearm license it’s not hard

  16. Not the Nine O’Clock News – Reagan


    Nigel Sheppard

    My God this was 37 years ago and suddenly it’s all come true

    “It’s incredible, isn’t it? That a cretin such as this should become president of The United States of America!”

    Alastair MacDonald

    When this first aired, it was comedy. Now, it’s more like documentary …

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Oh fck off commie! Trump impressed with his virus maths. He’s not buying the bullsh1t either. Good on him!

    • If you think Trump’s bad – just wait till Joe Biden takes office. The guy is an advanced Alzheimer’s case.

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        Leaves a potential pathway open for an unwanted Vice President Hillary Clinton to jag the top job.

        • DominicMEMBER

          That’s a very concerning thought – she is the ultimate swamp creature. Establishment through and through.

  17. Paul Kelly in the Oz says the toilet paper craze demonstrates a decline in trust, solidarity and sensible stoicism.


    Hey Paul, welcome to the new Australia that you and your mates helped create – a low-trust, dog eat dog place that increasingly reflects the values and cultures of our ‘new Australians’. It’s not like Kelly and his ilk weren’t warned that massive immigration would erode social solidarity and capital.

    Some of the comments are pretty good:

    “Why do we still talk as if something has changed with Australians compared to earlier generations? The 40% of Australians born overseas didn’t just miraculously inherit the mindset and attitudes of earlier Australians. They have their attitudes and way of responding to crises.”

    “We have gone from a high-trust society to a low-trust society in one generation.

    The primary culprit is the government forcing the population to increase by importing millions during the last 30 years.

    The Australian people (and the rest of the Western world) had already decided life and society was good when our birth rate dropped below 2.1 in 1975.

    Bu the politicians did not listen. They have caused massive ecological and societal damage by fighting the natural population trend.”

      • No, certainly not.

        Occasionally Paul Kelly used to say something interesting. Now he’s just a windbag.

    • boomengineeringMEMBER

      When the missus first came to WA she was in a que shopping and a fresh Pommie elbowed her way to the front. Something the wife had never experienced before in NSW or Vic. I would hazard a guess the the offender has since relinquished that behavior due to being outnumbered but so great is today’s immigration that it may be us that succumb.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        You know what I’ve found? Using elbows and shoulders to keep arsehats in line is now frowned upon by onlookers as being racialist. As is telling the same arsehats that using the phone on speaker or watching loud videos is unacceptable.

        If it happens to be a young wh!te kiddie getting told to behave though it is met with nods of approval.

        • boomengineeringMEMBER

          I hear you, it’d as though theres s concerted effort to destroy every snippet of Aussie lifestyle. Maybe wifes correct to want to run away and hide in the bush.

        • DominicMEMBER

          It’s proof that all that brain-washing and social engineering the intellectual ‘elites’ and the media have been engaged in over the past couple of decades has worked.

          Honestly, I know supposedly intelligent people for whom all this virtue BS is second nature. They don’t give it a second thought. Society has turned into a horde of lemmings.

          • Australia is no longer Australia. Just look at the women’s cricket. Is it being played here or in India?

    • Who would have thought importing en masse from cultures where equality and charity are foreign concepts could lead to reduced social cohesion?

      Or locals feeling they have been forgotten, collateral damage, for a New Australia, would then adopt a survivalist ‘me first’ mentality.

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      This sh!te would sound marginally less stupid if the folks running the country and exhibiting all of those characteristics in spades weren’t overwhelmingly “white Australians”.

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        Their loyalty ends at their faction of the establishment class.
        your suggestion that they have some kind of ethnic loyalty is absurd and quite frankly racist in my view

        • drsmithyMEMBER

          It’s not my suggestion in the slightest. You need to take up your issue with the ‘white culture’ folks and their identity politics.

          Congratulations on spectacularly missing the point.

    • Poor Fellow My Country

      Just endured my first trip to a supermarket since the panic started. Western Sydney. Shelves picked clean of a lot of stuff not just toilet paper. A real sense of unease and I found myself preemptively death staring the new Australians much more than usual.

      I don’t think its going to be too long now before the semblence of civility breaks down completely.

      On my part (and I suspect on the part of a lot of other white males) the thinking is that I get called racialist just for getting out of bed in the morning so really have nothing to lose by pretending to be nice. I do not need to speak H#ndi to understand the message or sentiment when I walk through the area I grew up in.

      On the part of the vibrants the notional duty to feign gratitude and joy at being given an opportunity to live the dream in ‘straya that used to be present 20 years ago was erased by insane living costs and vibrant on vibrant wage theft and backstabbing that has been around for ages now and definitely pre-dates COVID-19.

      Record debt
      Record job insecurity
      Record health system dysfunction
      Record overcrowding
      Record lack of social cohesion
      Record lack of capacity for monetary policy rescue

      Could not have picked a better time in the history of this country to introduce a pandemic.

      This is the biggest threat this nation has faced since WW2 and this land has faced since colonisation.

      It was only a matter of time.

  18. ABC news has an ‘ask us your corona virus questions’ form at the bottom of related news stories. Could be a bit of fun for the weekend.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      I have asked if it will cause erectile disfunction because that is my biggest fear!

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Why did media (including ABC), LNP, Labor and Greens downplay the severity before any data?

      Why have our independent ABC, and the Labor party become the government’s best tools to undermine Australia and Australians?

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          No Arthur. LNP cannot do what they’re doing to this country without Labor and media firmly in on it.

          The workers party. Too funny.

        • Narapoia451MEMBER

          I’ve made this mistake as well Arthur, the LNP bear no responsibility for their actions. Apparently the laws of cause and effect and rational attribution do not apply to Australian politics and no matter how evil, corrupt and stupid the LNP are, it’s all Labors fault, the media are the enemy, and the responsibility definitely, 100%, does not reside with the coalition.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          Whether we’re from the left or right, we should all be demanding reform or defunding of the ABC.

  19. Arthur Schopenhauer

    “Yet there were further signs of the desperate measures individuals would take to ensure mobility. A couple of oil strikes that hit many pumps revealed the ferocity with which Australians would defend their right to fill a tank. Long queues formed at the stations with petrol—and anyone who tried to sneak ahead in the queue met raw violence. … George and I wrote the [Mad Max] script based on the thesis that people would do almost anything to keep vehicles moving and the assumption that nations would not consider the huge costs of providing infrastructure for alternative energy until it was too late.”

    — Mad Max 1 screenwriter James McCausland, writing on his experience of the 1973 oil crisis and peak oil in The Courier-Mail, 2006

    Maybe these cultural traits have been with us since we were the British Empire’s Department of Corrections.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        was an oil petrol shortage in the mid late seventies long queues so I put mo gas( working at Shell Gore Bay Shipping ) at the time) in my Datsun 1200 coupe. Wasn’t long had problems associated with lack of additives and lube in the fuel.

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      Maybe these cultural traits have been with us since we were the British Empire’s Department of Corrections.

      Sacrilege !

  20. Totes BeWokeMEMBER

    You could have done well trading that 3.5% whipsawing DOW over the past week or more.

    • Should start to take notice of old farts around you in nice houses. When the virus gets rid of them, move in and claim squatter rights after a few years.

      • The Traveling Wilbur


        Why do you think I implemented Part I of the 2019/2020 MacroBusiness shut-ins census already? 😆

  21. boomengineeringMEMBER

    Well that put paid to the idea of doing this job on a sheet metal lip machine today, too many extra curriculum activities. Only for a mate so no David Murray’s.

    • DominicMEMBER

      I think you’re being a little harsh – this is just the kind of vibrancy this country thrives on. It’s made an averagely good country ‘great’.

      • DominicMEMBER

        It’s been a while since I owned a vehicle that had a manual choke!

        How about just press hard on the accelerator and shut your eyes?

  22. Arthur Schopenhauer

    Coles Ivanhoe: Toilet paper kitchen towel and tissues. Absolutely nothing left. Completely empty aisle.
    Fvk’n ‘straya.

    • MsSolarFelineAU

      @ Arthur Schopenhauer

      Costco Ringwood.
      But, get there EARLY.
      LIMIT of ONE pack of toilet paper, and ONE pack of paper towels PER PERSON.
      Choices are ONLY Kleenex & Quilton. If you prefer Sorbent (as I do) tough luck.
      Electrical appliances are of superseded models.
      LOTS of frozen meat. Full freezer.

    • Eldest said apparently there not toilet paper up in Gungahlin. Can confirm that Aldi and Coles were fleeced and imagine Woollies and Big W would be the same. We’re a fvcked country.

      • Nutty
        Same at Coles at Belco, not a single bog roll or sanitiser product to be had.

        Does anyone know if dunny rolls are usually a high turnover product range for supermarkets? It may be that normally the stock on shelves runs low between deliveries so all these stripped shelves look dramatic but in reality will be rectified as soon as the next linofox turns up. I’m guessing sanitiser products are much slower moving so it will take some time for the supermarket shelves to be restocked with those lines.

  23. TrooDohMEMBER

    “The WA resources sector reassured the wider industry it was taking the coronavirus threat extremely seriously but operations and production would not be affected, as WA recorded its third case of the infection on Thursday.

    WA Chamber of Minerals and Energy chief executive Paul Everingham said the state’s resources sector would hold a roundtable discussion on the coronavirus on Friday to further discuss best practice and share business continuity plans, but stressed the virus currently posed no risk to the state’s lucrative operations.

    “I have no fears for the mining sector slowing, putting off workers or anything like that … there is no negative workforce impact … it’s business as usual,” Mr Everingham said at a press conference on Thursday afternoon.”


    Ok Mr Everingham, let’s see what happens when the coronavirus rips through a few FIFO camps. Or when supply chains are further disrupted. Or when commodity demand further slumps.

    • a dose of the sh*ts can go through a fifo camp in a couple of days, and that’s with no one sticking their fingers in someone else’s sh*t!!

      • Yep, they used to offer free flu shots when I was on Barrow because they knew how quickly it rips through those kind of camps. And WuFlu is way more contagious than flu. Only a matter of time before it shuts down mines and gas rigs. Could get interesting for WA if the NW shelf rigs shut down.

  24. The RBA and APRA won’t be happy that the IMF has jumped the gun on this –

    Hopefully someone from Martin Place or Bond St is on the blower right now telling those well-meaning-but-a-bit-dim folks at the IMF that next year is the year we start publicly mulling the reintroduction of macro prudential. This year, we “keep a close eye on things”, acknowledge that prices are rising a little faster than expected, but that we expect things to settle down soon(ish – no firm timeframe to this). How on earth do they think we get prices off to the races again otherwise? It’s like none of them have ever run a real economy!

  25. I just feel a deep need to say this right now:

    1) the market is not the economy and
    2) the economy is not society

    I see no sign of this wisdom anywhere in the world at present, possibly Bhutan?

    • But for decades we were repeatedly told every day that financial market is economy and that only economy (i.e. financial markets) matter
      Our society has been turned into a market place, communities destroyed, common sense distorted.
      Now even a glorified common cold can destroy us

      • I suppose it’s what you get when you apply the same simple idea to everything.
        (i.e. let the market decide.)

        One thing I have been banging on about for about 10 years (to myself) is:
        Lots of things do not scale to the maximum.
        for instance, best industry practice sounds like a great idea.
        IT will work great for a few percent of industry participants when all the others persist with
        the old ways. A clear winner.
        Yeah, we can do this and be the one of the best. And out compete the rest.

        But over the last 25 years, ALL participants in an industry are now doing “best practice”.
        What does that give us? A crap situation. No low hanging fruit, as it were.
        A universal industry mindset. Nothing may break away from “best practice”
        And so all participants are again fighting away for market share and margin.
        In this present situation, what is “best practice” when we/they are all doing it nearly perfectly well.
        (low wages, (in AUS we have outright wage theft as a culture),surpressed unions, gig economy, temp/hour-by-hour/casual employment,disposable work(er) units, etc,)
        I might not have explained this idea well here and I doubt many will even give a hit (the S was silent)
        but anyway there is good beer in the fridge and I am so very completely out of fux to give.

        • boomengineeringMEMBER

          Bit like getting rid of bad people just to find there’s always someone bad enough to vilify among the saints.
          One business will always outperform another, no such thing as equality no mater how much they try to emulate.

    • Ppl are seriously sick. My supermarket has been restocked with absolutely everything except for TP! Wtf do ppl need so much tp? I have been slowly prepping for 1 month now and have enough healthy food, natural medicines and tp for fks sake for at least 2-3 weeks but I am concerned about whats next? What item will ppl hoard for no apparent reason? It makes me want to stock up even more on food while its still plentiful. Crazy times

      • DominicMEMBER

        As mentioned in earlier post – just been to Coles. It is overflowing with TP having been empty for 3 days. There are several items low or missing but everything will be re-stocked soon enough. Panic will be over for a while. The time to hoard is still ahead as COVID cases start to climb and the economy grinds to a halt. QLD schools are on the verge of closing – talk of final two weeks of this school term plus the two week Easter break in order to contain the spread. Govt is going to shut non-essential functions and tell people to work from home. Many private sector firms will do the same. That’s when supplies could get patchy.

        Fuel shouldn’t be a problem but again supplies could become restricted. Both my vehicles are full and I have two jerrys

        • Where are you going to be driving to? Or have you already replaced the drivers seat with a dunny? In which case get a composting one and run your vehicle on methane.

  26. The Corona situation – General observation from 2 mnth time distance:
    1. The virus appears to be much more contagious than official stats (due to large number of people with no or very mild symptoms and poor testibg policies or capabilities). My guess is that the virus is in this sense similar to other corona viruses like common cold and that large percentage of population will get infected over the fall/winter season and possibly next year with majority not knowing. The number of cases in countries with good testing processes like Italy is likely to already be 10 times higher and in some other countries (even USA) even 100 times higher. In Australia number of infected people is already likely to be over few thousands.
    2. The virus seems to be much less dangerous to general population. It looks like large percentage, well over 80% or even 90% will never even know they were infected. Mortality rate is probably much less than 1% among general population.
    3. For some people, those over 75 and big chronic disease problems mortality can be really high, 10% or even bigger. There is also a group of people with specific genetic variation that is more likely to get complications like pneumonia (few years back a case of a corona virus causing pneumonia was confirmed in patient with a specific genetic variation).
    4. The corona virus exposed all weakness of current neoliberal ideology of “small government” I would say not caring government. This is best exposed on trivial case of toilet paper where no trust in governments abilities and willingness to control the supply of basic necessities caused completely irrational panic. Also governments failed to pass any coherent and valid information to peopleabout the danger and potential responses. A simple report by an government agency saying that government will in case of shortage deliver a necessary supply to every induvidual would prevent panic run on toilet paper and other things and make such government intervention unnecessary. Also it exposed the fact that our and many other governments don’t have strategic reserves of important supplies (remember petrol). E.g. 20 million masks is not enough even for few days in case of pandemic. Almost no strategic reserves of basic food, energy and medicine is clear example of this.
    5. This (rationaly justified) mistrust in government, other institutions and comunity will wreck the economy and cause big troubles. I’m afraid more people may die from panic during and malnutrition, addiction, despair and suicide in years following pandemic than from relatively harmless pandemic itself.


    • SweeperMEMBER

      Points 4 & 5 are spot on. A pandemic is a coordination problem. If every aspiring billionaire libertarian acts in their own imagined self interests more people incl. themselves are likely to get sick. The mega mortgage holding family in the outer suburbs who voted ScoMo because journalism told them to probably thinks they are safe now they got a couple of hundred rolls of toilet paper and private health. That’s how far the neolib indoctrination has come.

      • darklydrawlMEMBER

        Gosh, it’s hard to write this, but when I rang my 82 year old Mum the other night and suggested it might be worthwhile putting off her elective surgery for a few months and seeing how this pans out her response was “Oh, I will be ok, as we have private health cover and I won’t be in a public hospital”. Must admit, at the point I was speechless…..

        • You only have one Mum, you best get around there and give it your best.Face to face, not over the phone.Give it your best, and don’t walk outa there till you got a solid promise.If you don’t , you will regret it.

          • darklydrawlMEMBER

            I hear you. She lives interstate though, which makes things more problematic when it come those chats that need ‘face to face’ conversations. Thanks for your thoughts.

    • GunnamattaMEMBER

      Completely agree, especially – as Sweeper notes – with points 4 & 5

      The only thing I would add is the overt preparedness by government to sell out the national health interest, by overtly putting the fiscal concerns of selected interests – here is looking at the uber elements of the University sector and the Real Estate lobby – ahead of the primacy of concern about the health and well being, not to mention risk of death for those over the age of 60 or so, of Australians.

      After all those people coming to blows over access to toilet paper are the obvious end point of a society which has been told for a generation that regulation is evil, that social concern was ‘socialism’, that industry delivers the best of outcomes in this best of all possible worlds when left alone and has no questions asked of it, that life is all about ‘me’ ‘me’ ‘me’, and that speculation and investment are one and the same, and that we all need to push the envelope in terms of what we can get away with, and worship those who get away with the mostest.

    • All those boomers who voted for Scumo, how good are the franking credits when it can’t even buy them TP to wipe their @rse

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      And it’s not just the Unis and Government. The Unions are selling us out too. Not a peep from the Education Union. Not a peep.

      (And then there’s that clown from Trades Hall calling for entry of temporary workers from our north.)

    • Small government? Please. All this shows is we have any number of agencies at State and Federal level that are supposed to be working on pandemic preparedness, but when something happens it is revealed they have done f%#k all apart from draw large government salary and superannuation.
      How is that small government?

      • That’s why I put small in quotations.
        Small only applies to a welfare in a broaders sense not just helping poor survive but building and caring for a nation

      • matthewMEMBER

        Not enough data to comment on mortality and asymptomatic cases.Also depends very much on quality of medical care available..Suspect mortality higher than1 percent.Otherwise concur

    • DominicMEMBER

      Doc, just to be clear: you’re complaining about an essentially incompetent Govt but think if only it were ‘bigger’ it would somehow be ‘better’? In other words you want MORE of what has failed already?

      How does the Govt control toilet paper supplies? Unless you have a full socialist / communist set-up going on with Govt-owned and controlled entities making and supplying goods to the people. Even then, it would be down to the distributors of the toilet paper to ensure everyone had some. The toilet paper ‘problem’ is not a problem at all — supply was an issue for a short time but only because a demand-shock overwhelmed the available stock. Now there is a glut of the stuff.

      What has happened is ‘some inconvenience’ and there has been ‘some bad behaviour’ by members of the public. But the distributors Coles Woolies Costco etc eventually got onto the issue and started rationing – problem solved. They worked it out themselves – that had nothing to do with Govt. The market is perfectly capable of responding these issues – even if it isn’t as fast as you’d like. Recommending a state-run consumer goods system is tantamount to supporting a Soviet-style regime where basically you’ll end up with little choice, p1ss poor quality product and very little of it. Like turkeys voting for Christmas. Ludicrous.

      • I’m not arguing for bigger government but rather one that does what it claims to be its goal – work in the interests of general public.
        The TP problem is a market provlem because (even according hardcore capitalists) for market to work participants need to be rational and have enough information. One cannot deny that people buying TP are not rational but rather scared and misinformed.
        I’m not arguing government should normally care about TP (or any other consumer good) but in emergency situations like epidemics, wars, natural catastrophe… should do what a good parent would do, step in and provise all suport.
        The choice is not just between soviets and neoliberals, there are whole worlds in between.
        Btw. What coles and woolies and aldi are doing is not markwt economy but soviet style rationing. In a market economy price of TP would rise until people stop buying

        • Nothing to have stopped Woolies/Coles to use the price system to control demand. Say first two packs at usual price, subsequent packs $50 each with the ‘superprofits’ going to a fund for vulnerable people.
          By trying to maintain prices at the usual level while there was a lag for supply to ramp we get the empty shelves situation.

        • bolstroodMEMBER

          Doc the government’s only responsibility is, as far as the Oath of Office states,
          to be loyal to Queen Victoria and her heirs and successors under law .
          Nothing there about working in the interests of the general public.
          This small government ideology has led us to the lack of goverment we now have. It is a massive fail.
          Where we go from here is a question Australians wold do well to ask themselves.

      • BigDuke6MEMBER

        He’s not a doc. He’s someone who says I could have been a doctor if I’d worked hard at school. Yeh ok

    • Exactly. And re points 1, 2 and 3, at some point people are going to realize that the whole border closing/quarantine thing was never intended to keep it out of the country completely or stop it from spreading internally, it was just to buy the authorities a bit of time to prepare (facilities/equipment/personnel/supplies/plans/procedures etc.). Eventually it is going to be everywhere no matter what, and most of us are just going go about our lives as per usual without any major ill effects — potentially even becoming infected without even realizing it. At some point we might get a reverse quarantine scenario where it is the old and vulnerable but as yet uninfected who hide themselves away at home, at least until next year or whenever a vaccine or better treatment is developed, while the rest of us go about our business.

      I’ll admit it was more scary when it first emerged and we didn’t know who was susceptible and to what degree, but we now we know that it’s mostly those who are old or who have underlying conditions, so I think the rest of us can just calm the frick down, no?

  27. Arthur Schopenhauer

    Shaved the beard. Reducing the available surface area for aerosols. Fvck’n.

  28. boomengineeringMEMBER

    Went to a home open (2nd one same house & day) at Woy Woy on the way home (tyre kick for the missus), Asians and a sheila there. Talking to her she lived/owned at St Huberts Is and renting out a unit at Freshwater. Completely clueless about whats coming and economy in general.
    Missus said heaps of people going past to view house around corner, Amourin St (A Moron st)
    Unbelievable, This will make the TP panic look tame when it Minsky penny drops in their empty heads.
    btw only a few streets away Corona diagnosed (Old Pittwater Rd Brookvale)

    • Stacks of people at the two home opens I visited today. (This is ACT – no confirmed cases here yet). Life goes on oblivious.

      One agent – an experienced one – was worried about the coronavirus slowing buyer demand.

      The other agent – typical 20 something spiv – listened politely to my point of view about coronavirus and its impending impact on the economy, but quite clearly thought I was delusional. He is probably right – for two or three more weeks.

        • If I were the seller I would rush. If auction date is 4 weeks away, even that might be too late. If the city shuts down who knows what could happen.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        As per reply to swampy above, holding her back while waiting for the dust to settle. Probably not a good time to be in unfamiliar territory and theroretically prices should drop more in outer areas so need self funded retirement saving .

    • GunnamattaMEMBER

      Looks like theyve pulled that story mate.

      The other thing this is doing is demonstrating just how ‘tailored’ our media has become – two mainstream print/web media outlets – Ninefax and Rupert – and three loss leading TV networks, all wary of allowing the suggestion that shopping has become a contact sport to get to the public.

  29. roylefamilyMEMBER

    Anyone notice Netflix and Amazon Prime choked last night, about 9pm. Shutins galore!

  30. haroldusMEMBER

    For the the preppin corner of this blog, waddaya reckon about:
    i) a chicken coop (https://www.omlet.com.au/shop/chicken_keeping/) with a couple of silkies or orpingtons (https://www.backyardchickencoops.com.au/blogs/learning-centre/top-5-best-chooks-for-kids). Our council lets you have up to 4 hens.
    ii) Microgreens in flats (https://www.edenseeds.com.au/Product-Info-Seeds?product=microgreens-mix) and sprouts (https://www.edenseeds.com.au/Category-Info-Seeds?category=Sprouts) for fresh greens and forage for the chooks (https://www.edenseeds.com.au/Product-Info-Seeds?product=poultry-forage-greens-poultry-mix)

    You can buy the seed in bulk and it lasts about a year.

    • Nice.

      We’re in peak zucchini harvest – getting two fat ones a day (sort of like a quarter-reusa). Herbs going crazy (no not those ones – although this is Canberra). Pity the possums have stolen all the tomatoes.

      Once I buy a house we’ll get two cages – one for some chooks, and one to grow the tomatoes inside!

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Always wanted chooks but she says the attract too many flies. We already have heaps under the Kookaburra’s feeding station.

      • DominicMEMBER

        What do you suggest for the zucchinis? Recipe-wise. I’m always on the lookout for ideas for various foodstuffs.

        • Yeah the zucchini are so prolific it gets hard to use them all!

          Here are a few ideas.

          Cut them in half lengthwise, rub with olive oil, salt and pepper and some crushed garlic. Roast for 20 minutes on the oven on 200, delicious. Super simple. Put some tomatoes (also halved) in with them, seasoned the same way – even better.

          We also chop them small, give a quick sauté in olive oil and then add them to pasta sauce or curry or risotto in the last few mins of cooking.

          We also make zucchini bread (sort of like banana bread but with more spices for flavouring).

          Some people like to grow them very big and then stuff them (cue Reusa jokes – stuff them where?!) but it always strikes me as too much effort and the huge ones have no flavour anyway.

          • haroldusMEMBER

            Remove from plant.
            Wash thoroughly.
            Remove sharp edges.
            Liberally anoint with olive oil.

            OK I’m going to stop now.

        • Bread and butter pickles- with onions and capsicums. Really nice, few slices of cheese, and a quick light lunch.

    • Hi Haroldus, can’t go wrong with Isa brown chooks, buy wheat and pellet, feed them with all scraps, they love pizza scraps!! They are prolific egg deliverers, build a little covered next box, and grab 4, 5 broom handles and build a tiered “grandstand” …They are great pets, you will be surprised.Get some worm medicine for their water.
      If things go bad, hang a dank chop, wait for the maggots, shtf remedy for chook feed..
      Once you taste home “grown” eggs you will never go back, just a quick wipe, can leave on counter top for 4-6 weeks..love our chooks, everyone we gift our eggs to, have great feedback on taste and how much better the missus pav’s turn out

      • Yes. But then Brenda and Specky start to lay less; they age and the children are a little older too. So then comes the Life education bit, involving the old tree stump and the axe and the talk about The Circle of Life. It’s around about that time you remember- “Never, let the children give the chooks a name!”

        • boomengineeringMEMBER

          My old chook has a name but wouldn’t be able to get her head on the chopping block as mine is there already since we married.

          • When I was a kid there was a saying that went something like : “the old chook makes the best soup” …. never too sure whether it was referring to the one inside the pot or the one outside…

        • Janet, our Ram is called Rodders, and the Rooster is Retro..doesn’t stop the circle of life, as we don’t forget our family, to us they are our family whilst with us…We are not Liberal cohorts, so everyone is deemed to be having a go, and not a number…on this our little slice of farm life..maybe soon to be offered up to a Liberal , whom may take over any productive farm for the greater good..

        • Hi Janet. This is probably too earthy and matter of fact for a weekend links, nevertheless…

          The best way to kill a chook humanely is to hold its feet in left hand, chook dangling. Place right hand around neck behind head. Give a sharp, strong tug downwards. Make sure you feel the neck break, it is quite obvious. The bird will expire within seconds. No blood, not too much trauma. Sadly, the first chook is the learning experience, I recommend starting too hard rather than too soft.

          The bird still has to be hung up and drained of blood, so the head has to come off. Better done after dead than before, for humane reasons and difficulty.

          I still don’t like doing it

        • bolstroodMEMBER

          When my daughters were of a tender, innocent age, we lived in the country and kept chooks.
          We came to the chook chop day and decidedcthe girls need not know about it, so I told them they could watch TV that morning.
          They were not allowed to watch day time telly.Of course they smelt a rat.
          I had only administered to the first old hen when a couple of little heads poked around the corner of the house.
          “What are you doing dad?”. they were not the slightest bit put off by the slaughter, so we turned it into a physiology lesson.

    • Ah! Great, I thought i was the only one preparing for the world ending by growing plants !
      I thought I’d share this thing I am going to try –
      The company is based at Perth with mostly Australian assembly. They had a kickstarter program where you can order a smart garden, the lights come with a wifi and it detects moisture content etc in plants… https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/urbotanica/urbipod-smart-garden/
      I initially backed them up for the whole set-up with the smart stuff, but it was due in July and I figured, coronavirus.. could be delays.
      So I ordered their existing model at Kitchen Warehouse (not an endorsement, yet to receive the product, arriving tomorrow) and I backed the KS project for a reward of the replacement lights that you can add to the existing set-up I’m getting delivered. Got a note from the CEO about my order and got into an email convo about coronavirus. They seem on top of it but I just didn’t want to wait 4 months.
      I bought some seeds at bunnings today… the microgreens at bunnings were more of the artsy kind for garnish. These look way better – https://www.edenseeds.com.au/Product-Info-Seeds?product=microgreens-mix
      I might order some!
      Looking into how stuff in a pot.. in a rental, though a house. So will need to pot sutff if I want to take it with me.

      • Hi Divya, get on a site and order heirloom seeds stat.You can then save the seeds from your produce.Duh, seen you linked Eden, thats my go to for my Greenhouse tunnel, bumper crop of tomatoes and cucumbers this year, the wife has canned the bejesus out of the 60kg of tomatoes…

          • veggiepods – a few of my neighbours have them. theyre pretty good. Also check out waterups wicking bed kits. More flexible and a little bit cheaper than the pods – also used by friends up here and are recommended…

          • Wow, that’s a Rolls Royce mini garden! I haven’t tried it but my first thought is, it looks a bit expensive, plus it says you need 18 bags of soil to fill it (could be another $150).

            But if you’re growing on a balcony it could be a good solution. Is that what you’re doing?

            When I had a balcony I just used a lot of plastic pots and put them all on a big plastic lid (from a giant storage box) to catch all the runoff. No cover though.

            Anyone used any other alternatives?

          • Yeah the watering thing really stuck. AND we need a cover – possums in the roof will destroy everything otherwise. Yeah, it’s a rental, so I’d like to take with me what I spend time cultivating if possible…
            How do you cover what you grow?

          • I am having real problems with possums. But I have vege beds in the garden now (rental house, the vege beds are sitting on brick work). Space is not an issue so I have big structures over them (wooden frames with chook wire over them, 1.8m high so I can grow full size tomatoes plants and walk around inside).

            It’s a fairly extreme solution but if your possums are hungry and clever like our local ones are, they chew through regular netting. But other friends have just regular netting and they reckon it works. Perhaps it depends upon the possum.

            I haven’t had to solve the problem for a balcony garden. If I was doing it for a bunch of pots I might also make a (smaller) wooden frame with chook wire and just lift it over. But to be honest the device you showed looks really good! (just expensive). Not high enough for a full grown tomato plant, if you were thinking of that – but if you get some seeds for some different bush-type tomatoes from the diggers club, they don’t require staking and aren’t so tall.

        • The Traveling Wilbur

          Sorry, but no matter how many times I read that I can only see the words my wife has massive cans.

      • haroldusMEMBER

        Diggers is also good for heirlooms.

        Today I put in 12 kale, 12 bok choy, 24 silverbeets into the seed trays.

        Also planted some calendula.

        Whenever I go to bunnings I also check out the seedlings of things like basil etc.

        Last week I got some thyme (can never grow from seed) and oregano. I have them in hanging pots on the verandah.

        Often you can get 6/8 seedlings in a punnet for under 10 bucks too. Just need to pot them out.

        I’m not the best gardener, but with my mistakes I’m getting better.

        Also check out coir as a medium to extend compost for potting mix, excellent sterile carbon organics to go with whatever you are putting in for nitrogen (you can get pelletised chook poo which doesn’t smell too bad)

      • haroldusMEMBER

        Also for lees than 100 bucks you can get tonnes of different types of seeds that you never get around to planting (speaking from experience and many drunk seed ordering nights).

        For example Grain Amaranth, 4 varieties of radish, 10 varieties of tomato.

        • Haroldus , i’m shocked..you know your stuff, by gum…that sh*t about the left hand mouse is a con…!!

          • haroldusMEMBER

            I’m a bit of a nut for no-dig gardens, so obsess about layers of carbon and nitrogen.

            They rot down every year so ya gotta chuck another foot or so of organics.

            I make new the beds from whatever C/N I can find (the worm farm, bunnings manure and compost, IKEA packaging, leaves, clippings).

            I have started experimenting with recycling pot soil using bokashi compost interlayered with old pot soil to try to refresh it in a compost bin.

            All other kitchen scraps go into the worm farm. I blend them up when I can be @rsed to make a worm milkshake. Also I chuck the used coir into the worms, they seem to like it, plus box carboard as a cover which they like to eat.

            The most recent one I finished last weekend and Minty the neighbour’s cat has a new dunny. Little [email protected]

          • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

            I suspect he has learnt these skills growing cannabis in his younger days.

        • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

          I find the “improved Apollo” variety of tomato to be the most disease resistant.

          • Hi Ermo, Its a tossup for me between the beefeater ( for sauce ) or the cherry’s , can’t beat the taste, picking off the bush..But missus lays the law down , cause the canning …

        • Im surprised you dont have a crop of “kinwah” growing out the back you newtown veggie eating homo!

      • Advantages of heirloom over commercial seeds are: heirlooms were bred over centuries for flavour and disease resistance. Whereas commercial varieties are bred tough to travel well to the supermarket, bred to look good on the shelf, and bred to crop all at the same time for easier harvesting.

        Heirlooms also have more interesting varieties including some different colours and weird / funny looking ones!

        Heirlooms also produce viable seeds, which is great because you can reproduce them and keep improving them each year by saving seeds from your best plants.

      • Fishing72MEMBER

        I find pangolins and bats are easy to maintain in my Chatswood 2 bdr unit . The only problem is that they’re so lovable sometimes it’s hard to say goodbye at dinner time !

        • Laughed so hard I sht myself (and dinner escaped in the ruckus – sky lobster harvested from the local park – what bird flu?!)

    • haroldusMEMBER

      So has anyone done microgreens? There is a not insignificant proportion of youtube dedicated to urban microgreen farming.

    • Silkies only if you want someone to sit on fertile eggs so you can eat chicken in the future. They don’t lay much. Isa browns are the commercial chook of choice. They’ll do an egg a day for a year, maybe 18 months and then cark it. Personally I like Welsummers and Barnavelders (and not just because my parents were clog wogs) – dual purpose chooks that lay 2 big eggs every three days for about 4 years, then slow down and lay a few eggs when they feel like it for another 4 years or so.
      And, yes, lots of greens to make the eggs taste better and have more nutrients.
      Also feed them back the used eggshells (all crushed up) to keep the shells on their eggs nice and hard…

    • Ronin8317MEMBER

      That chicken coop is over-engineered and very over priced : you can get a cheaper colourbond sheds at Bunnings.

  31. Well, I put out a request on my nephews FB msg last year for broken fridges, that I would pick up for free in the greater district.
    I have converted into wicking bed, ( conserve on water ).Has worked a treat! Im currently doing a degree in Horticulture on the side, wife helps me with the computer side, as I go about the farm stuff as well.Has helped me no end with the garden tunnel, what with using test kits to analyse soil etc…This you tube stuff is great..helped me with the idea of recycling old fridges ..

  32. Rorke's DriftMEMBER

    Re link above on new legislation that “Qld bosses who underpay staff face 14 years in prison” Article says Feds looking at similar.

    Who would be mad enough to have a go by starting a small business that needs to employ people, let alone be reckless enough to give someone a job and an oppotunity in life in queensland. It would be interesting to do a SWOT analysis between being an employer and various forms of drug dealing, particularly profit margins versus risk and length of jail time.

    I am a contractor (consulting on major construction projects) under my own company structure and happen to have won by tender a long term contract where I employ a number of suncontractor staff. One of them still at uni I gave their first first professional job to and I’m mentoring and training that person. He’s developing rapidly in his career. But there was no way I could/would employ him directly. The paperwork and regulation and ATO bullshit was too much, having to go home at night or weekends to keep up on documentation after my own full time high pressure role was not an option. Luckily his university had a structure available where they employ him and charge out his time by invoice to me. Add in the risk now of jail time if I make a mistake in interpreting an award, which I’ve tried and can’t figure out the correct rate for him (I have three University degrees including an MBA but these awards are too hard, for HR experts only).

    I bet that everyone involved in preparing and promoting this legislation is on a government payroll. High fiving each other that they are helping the common man against the bad bosses knowing they’ll never take a business risk in their lives and knowing this legislation doesn’t affect them, virtue signalling the world how good they are in legislating others risk and cruelling others opportunities. Prcks.

    Where is the legislation jailing government employees who bludge on their jobs and exploit their employers, taking a salary and leveraging into housing debt and riches whilst adding no value (or negative value in the case of many govt employees) nor meeting the promises in their job interviews about how skilled and productive they are. How about when an employee goes to interview they sign a statement and jail them if they don’t perform to the representations they made when negotiating their salaries. Its the same principal as this legislation just more economically productive as business would take on a lot more employees.

    • Hi Rourke. You make a compelling case and I have no problem with it. I ask one question, why are wage errors never overpayments?

      • Rorke's DriftMEMBER

        How would we know. Overpayments dont get complained about, dont get identified if the employee shuts up and keeps the cash, or dont become media stories – mostly. We do get stories on welfare cheats where the govt overpays someone who doesn’t meet or over claims against the relevant criteria.

      • Rorke's DriftMEMBER

        Not sure your point. My key point is that this sort of legislation kills entrepreneurship and business formation and hence jobs. We are left with everyone making their money bidding up house prices against their fellow citizen, so I guess what’s it matter.

        • As they say in the US RD, I feelya. DrS makes the boringly predictable observation … tedious as it/he/she/zee is

          I applied in my own working & business life a very simple rule – ‘what are the tax consequences and what can I do about them [if anything at all] …. if I couldn’t work out the benefit, the project didn’t get done. Unless you have run your own business, IMHO, all these commentators are speaking through their a$$ …

          hang in there and do what you can …

        • drsmithyMEMBER

          Not sure your point.

          Your complaint is that the award system is complex. I’d be willing to take a wager the tax system is more complex.

          My key point is that this sort of legislation kills entrepreneurship and business formation and hence jobs.

          You mean it kills business trying to get away with paying their employees the absolute minimum legal amount. Probably not much “entrepreneurship” going on if that’s the key strategy.

  33. Hill Billy 55MEMBER

    The path of the virus from Chyna to Italy is well worn. The Bubonic plague followed a similar pattern. Whodda thunk!

    • Apparently organised crime is moving out drugs and into toilet paper as the profits are much better.

  34. TailorTrashMEMBER

    Let us therefore brace ourselves to our dunnies and so bear (bare ?) ourselves that if the Australian Commonwealth should last for a thousand years, men will still say, ‘This was their finest hour.

    • Mikakos is an idiot. The guy only had a runny nose and had come back from the US, which is not on any Covid19 watchlist. If every doctor with a single symptom self-quarantined for 2 weeks the health system would shut down overnight.

      By throwing this GP under the bus by naming him, reporting him to AHPRA and having his reputation trashed online I can’t see any other doctor willing to put themselves up for testing.

    • DominicMEMBER

      Yep, hard to see her credibility recovering now that her secret’s out.

      Toorak-based too. Oooooh, la-di-dah

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Yeah well the famous Costco shot is all blokes hoarding up. Started by men. Will be finished by men. Deal with it.

    • Men don’t don’t use as much of the stuff as women. God knows what they do in there with it. But I did 1 econowipe and fold into squares to get the job done efficiently.. so I can make a roll last a week.

  35. What is it with the WHO and their praise of China?

    World should be encouraged by decline in cases in Hubei, WHO expert says

    Bruce Aylward, the senior advisor to the head of the World Health Organisation, has said the world should be encouraged by the decline in coronavirus cases in China’s Hubei province, where the virus is believed to have originated from. Countries hadn’t yet learned the lesson that an effective response depends largely on speedily finding, isolating and testing suspected cases, however, he told the Today show.

    “You’ve got to find the cases very very quickly, get them isolated, find their close contacts, because those people are where the virus is, and if you get those isolated, quarantined, you’re going to take the heat out of this outbreak,” he said.

    Despite weeks of China making “heroic” efforts to contain the virus, countries were “still surprised when it hits their borders here and they still don’t know how to isolate or find cases,” Aylward added.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Maybe because their superior system has controlled the virus in ways we will be longing for soon enough.

    • WHO initially refused to call an emergency, told everyone not to panic and close their borders, and now doesn’t understand why countries are “surprised when it hits their borders”. They another Globalist organisation that needs to be lynched.

      • +1 I would say this will be the next agency the USA will be defunding. Has the WHO done anything but lick Chinas crevices. There is a cringeworthy BBC hardtalk with one if these WHO syncophants, Stephen Sakur rips him a new arsehole.

    • Think many years of united front infiltration. Think Sam Dasyari, Andrew Robb, Bob Carr…. The Chinese are experts at corrupting and co-opting institutions to serve their agendas. It is a core function of the CCP which they have been applying globally.

      Read Silent Invasion by Clive Hamilton.

    • https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/14/asia/coronavirus-who-china-intl-hnk/index.html

      The first African to hold his position, Tedros took over following the WHO’s self-acknowledged poor response to the 2013-2016 Ebola epidemic in West Africa. The WHO took five months to declare a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC) over Ebola, a delay that “undoubtedly contributed to the unprecedented scale of the outbreak,” according to one academic assessment.

      The failure was blamed in part on the WHO’s cumbersome and complex bureaucracy — it is made up of six regional offices which are only loosely controlled by headquarters in Geneva. Other factors blamed for the Ebola failure include an overstretched and underfunded surveillance team, and political pressure from West African governments unwilling to take the economic hit caused by a PHEIC declaration.

      If West African nations were able to exert pressure on the WHO, China would have had no trouble.

  36. reusachtigeMEMBER

    Went budget on the wine tonight. Darens Berg Dead Arm Shiraz. Tastes like sucking on a tea bag. Going back to the good stuff.

    • haroldusMEMBER

      I thought it was OK when it was crushed and destemmed, cultured yeast, open-fermented with heading down boards, one-third fermented in barrel, followed by up to 18 months in French oak. Inky purple-crimson hue; standard d’Arenberg vinification finishing the last third of the primary fermentation and mlf in barrel; a powerful, archetypal d’Arenberg shiraz, swimming with black fruits of every description, dark chocolate and a generous helping of chewy tannins.

      I think your problem is Shiraz vs Cabernet.

    • DominicMEMBER

      The Dead Arm is one of the most over-rated wines on the planet. A triumph of style over substance.

      • Gotta pay for the giant cube somehow. I like the Tatachilla foundation shiraz or something from Kay Brothers as better value alternatives. Either way they all need plenty of bottle age.

  37. Just heard today that despite toilet paper being out of stock in many supermarkets, customers were sneaking into the storage area and helping themselves. When staff were questioned about it, they had no idea it was happening!

  38. Donald Trump used a freewheeling press conference on Friday, intended to provide updates on the coronavirus, as an opportunity to attack Democrats, praise his own intelligence, lash out at CNN and spread false and misleading information about the status of the outbreak, as a slew of new cases were confirmed aboard a cruise ship off the California coast.

    Speaking at the Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC) main campus in Atlanta, Georgia, while wearing his red “Keep America Great” re-election campaign hat, the president went on a rant criticizing Washington state’s governor, Jay Inslee, as a “snake” and saying he disagreed with his vice-president’s complimentary remarks toward the Democrat. Inslee, who ran for president last year, is overseeing the response to the most serious outbreak in the US.

    In a moment that some commentators have called one of the most “disturbing” and “frightening” remarks of Trump’s response to the public health crisis, the president also said he would prefer that cruise ship passengers exposed to the virus be left aboard so that they don’t add to the number of total infections in the US.
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    “I like the numbers being where they are,” said Trump, who appeared to be explicitly acknowledging his political concerns about the outbreak: “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”

    Ouch …

  39. Has anyone else noticed the increase of advertising for funeral houses during peak hours?…. There’s the one with a lady in white giving an older woman a white rose… kinda like ‘you’re next, dearie!’ …

    • Sorry its all a blur …. after all those Texas billboard alternating vasectomy and mirco surgical reversal ads … back in the day – interspersed with family law lawyers …

  40. roylefamilyMEMBER

    Re Bog Roll: I find that 1 teaspoon of Psyllium Husk in the morning smoothie causes the anal mucus layer to remain well established. In this state bog roll is almost not needed. The log leaves nothing behind.