Weekend Reading: 14-15 December 2019

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Leith van Onselen
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        • More like sour cream.

          there used to be a queue for a first post at around midnight, worse than that at apple store for iphone 2…

        • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

          I came home from a yearly Plumbers Pissup that starts at 5pm.
          I never have a problem with lots of beer but I knew I shouldn’t have gotten into that Salted or caramel Rum Shyte when It was brought out.

          I was in No state to compete for the title of King of Week end links.

          • I’m too old for all that these days – when someone inevitably pipes up that they’re shouting Tequila or Jaeger shots, I know it’s time to drop a smoke bomb. “Good call, mate, I’ll be right back …”

      • master of toilet paper

        yeah i work at office works now, i gave up looking for a ‘proper’ job for now

        she is good and i might go on a vacation with her soon

        i got banned again

        • well that’s fcked on many levels. Are you a local? Can you relocate for other work? Is there any career path inside officeworks?

          • master of toilet paper

            1 yes

            2 yes if i find another job

            3 no way, i took my degree off my resume just to be able to get this job at all

            australia grad employment market = rooted 5 ways from sunday, even the articles on here dont realise just how bad it is and how hard it is to get a job if you dont have connections or boatloads of experience

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            A long vacation with the GF would be optimal, that way opportunities would present requiring your qualifications. Wasting your talents there at Dubbo. You can always return if that’s where the heart is.
            Dubbo = no job (not Australia)
            Your address on the resume could be killing it if Syd Melb wants locals. Use my address if you want, similar years ago if you wanted a job on WA mines you had to give a WA address.

          • My son reports that many business are going away from grads due to diminished quality of the product [tm], self fulfilling prophecy it seems going back a few decades – mercenary cannibalistic tendencies – with head hunting and hiving off all in house development functions.

            Like watching the results of inbreeding over successive generations.

          • Yes, Staggie, it’s hard fur graduates here now, one of my cousins who graduated 5 & 3 yrs ago in same boat. One gave up looking for a job & headed to London to try his luck at acting (luckily parents could afford to send him & family put him up for a few months) hasn’t got anything great but did get a job backstage in a London theatre & is having a ball. His sister has now gone back to study some lower level course.

            Neighbors lads also struggling (not sure of degrees), one makes ends meet with short contracts & DJ’ing , other personal fitness.

            A change of scenery is often great as you meet new people & get new opportunities, do it while you are young, if you can, even if it’s just one of the smaller capital cities in Oz.

        • Did you put on your resume that you have completed year 12?

          Yeah, as soon as a job vacancy appears, a vibrant is imported to take that job. And the fake left says “add more jobs”. WTF?

        • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

          Maybe you could put a Chinese or Indian name on your resume to just,…you know, get your foot in the door.

          • The irony being that every marketing call you receive from a heavily accented Indian has them introducing themselves as William or Emily.

        • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

          If there is a vibrant in the HR role don’t bother with the company they’ll only hire vibrants cos racyst

          • Yes correct. Vibrantia have New Start ‘Job Skil (correct spelling’ under their command. If you White Aussie over 35 you will never get work through these set ups – just patronising BS from your assigned watcher to whom you hand you 30 job applications to.

          • Wh!te Australians have a privilege complex that refuses to grovel before capital at home or abroad and fight for its market share in the labour pool and obey investors and the market. As we all know the market has no value laden philosophical or political machinations, it only rewards the most intelligent human beings and as such they should be worshiped and followed blindly.

          • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

            Not just wh!tes ya racyst anyone with an Australian accent, be thankful for your ear raping septic whine

          • Wow even Skippy gets it
            OR maybe that was sarcasm….hmmm I’m glad this isn’t a writing comprehension problem.
            because I’m putting a big tick beside Skippy’s name, he has finally drank the Kool-Aid.

    • Ya should’ve seen how much heat I took a couple of years back on this blog for explaining that a ‘central bank’ is key to a socialist apparatus. My detractors believed (still believe?) that it serves capitalists exclusively. Parasites, yes, capitalists, no.

      • You are aware there have been 3 itinerations of CB administration since inception, so ascribing some ideological nomenclature that transcends the entire period seems a bit of a stretch. Not that its creation was due to the endless seesaw of busts that threatened to bring down everyone, let alone create conditions which supported the unwashed to consider other ideological options. Which of course then necessitates increased authoritarianism and force by capital to preserve its continuity.

        Ugh … echos of Menger shouts of your all a bunch of socialists – sigh …

          • To deconstruct … it was a response to collapse of both public and private debt due to contractual standards founded on ideological grounds under a hard gold standard for sovereign accounting. This then went through the washer post great depression [Hoover et al] until FDR and British Keynesianism. Capital frowned on this because it screwed with profits [goats gifts] and diminished its control in shaping the social narrative – social Darwinism et al, go figure self dealing to be on top of the pile – its good to be the king.

            This then sets the stage for the cold war and fears about property rights sold to the unwashed to vindicate Capitals framework of authority, not unlike how gold was used in antiquity as a religious symbolism, yes you too can fondle goats property and enjoy its special powers of protection but never mind the allocation vectors. This period was the transition from Keynesian MMT to bastardized monetarist MMT, got completely refuted on QTM, yet some still persisted anyway, go figure.

            Which ultimately leaves us with the neoclassical new neo yank neoliberal Keynesian of quasi monetarism aka everything can be sorted with IR or throwing insane amounts of money at capital so it will do the right thing, yet just the opposite happened.

            So it begs the sociological question about the dominate social narrative since neoliberalism became dominate and the machinations it will go through to to remain in power regardless of its socially and environmentally destructive outcomes.

          • Orwell had some helpful suggestions:

            (i) Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.

            (ii) Never use a long word where a short one will do.

            (iii) If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.

            (iv) Never use the passive where you can use the active.

            (v) Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.

            (vi) Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

      • Since when is command and control of capital ‘free market’ capitalism – skippy you fraud.

        Neothingy look , look , shriek that can’t be true spew gaf historical anecdote doesn’t fit spit verbal diarrhea , yep got last word again, cool, nobody wants to reply to that basin bowl. eeeek gold standard free market, think of the poor children without elasticity to enslave… neothingy neothingy is to blaaaamme, marxism good. – A summary.

  1. Good video on China, as I believe the same, especially as he doesn’t really buy the long slide and says China’s centrally managed economy is incompatible white the worlds open trade system.

    Published on Dec 10, 2019 (sorry if I missed it before)
    China is one of biggest debt bubbles in the world, so why haven’t we seen a credit crisis yet? Brian McCarthy, chief strategist at Macrolens, makes his Real Vision debut to dissect the structure of the Chinese banking system and to examine the probabilities of a full-blown financial meltdown. McCarthy walks through why he believes Chinese economic growth will continue to deteriorate and explains the dollar shortage through Mundell’s framework of the impossible trinity. He then argues that China is on a path towards self-decoupling from the rest of the world, similar to that of North Korea. He notes why the Chinese Yuan will continue to weaken and considers the near-term ramifications from Hong Kong and the trade war. Filmed on November 13, 2019 in New York.


    • Thanks Zulu. This has been my take on China for a long time. Always good to see the issue through another lens – I find it often adds another piece or two to what is a complex jigsaw.

    • Question … what global super power has been pumping endless debt bubbles for yonks, endless war debt and misallocation of resources, was ground zero for the GFC, and has been exporting its ideology globally during the entire period and as such has a much more depth and exposure in this dynamic.

      Why is it that every time the Chicago boys [tm] methodology blows up in their face its the others fault.

      • So, what you’re saying is that because the Yanks have blown a few post-gold standard credit bubbles it is verboten to criticise the Chinese for doing the same? Seriously, that’s the quality of argument young children would proffer.

        Let it be said though that the Chinese have far outdone the Yanks ever did – they’ve seen them and raised them, by multiples.

        • China is responding to a long geopolitical threat which is not unparalleled in near historical terms, its head economic advisor is western trained, they have had the whole cornucopia of of various economic schools over for consideration including AET.

          And then some are confused because they don’t bow down to some reductive cookie cutter economic expectation by others – ????? – really …

          • skip, they couldn’t resist the pot of gold at the end of the fiat rainbow – “To be rich is glorious!”, Deng Xiao Ping (or whatever is name is).

            Anyway, here they are, at the end of the road. The fiat miracle has been milked bone dry and they are fvct.

          • All money is credit, that is the non ideological historical record, money is debt from inception, physical forms are just the representation of that condition as a social contract.

          • Even StevenMEMBER

            Disagree Skippy. All money is not debt.

            If one person has $10 and another has $5, it is an indication of relative wealth, but it is not necessarily debt. The person with $5, though perhaps wanting more, isn’t obligated to do anything and isn’t indebted in any conventional meaning of the word.

    • I wouldn’t be surprised if Chinese leaders want to decouple and isolate from the world (would nicely suit tradition and mentality as well)
      they just have one problem, they have to sort out food supply – the rest is more or less fine

  2. Well. Here we are again.

    harry’s had a little sleepy bobos but today is daughter’s 8th birthday so need to do sh!t in morning

    plus need to find another fn spot for the elf on the shelf

    • boomengineeringMEMBER

      Contemplated running for first but put those childish things away. The elf wouldn’t be needed if you just scoffed the lot like I do with biscuits.

    • Can you explain the elf quickly? My niece is down and is 9 and enjoys it – I’d like to be able to understand it for her and try make it more fun

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        The elf has different use for different reasons some just use it hide their prized alcohol from marauding invited visitors.

      • From daughter (8th birthday today) the elf is “funny, mysterious, cute and mischievous”.

        It’s a little elf doll that you tell kids comes to life. It’s supposed to watch the kids during the day and comes to life at night to report back to Santa during the day. Kids can’t touch them or they lose the magic.

        You have to find a new hiding spot everyday so it looks like it’s been exploring. Daughter loves finding it in the morning. Sometimes I forgot and that’s explained by she couldn’t move cause dad was up late.

  3. Well, I was diddling on the laptop the other afternoon, the radio on in the background.
    It’s a talkback show and usually begins with a light topic, where listeners are asked to ring in with their anecdotes, and the day’s topic was songs with animal sounds.
    Someone rang in with ‘Little Red Riding Hood”

    I like that song so I thought I’d have a look on You Tube … the band is Sam the Sham and the Pharaos, a colourful character named Domingo “Sam” Samudio on vocals.
    Anyhow there wasn’t a video of them playing the song, just the soundtrack.
    However, the next video has the band playing “Wooly Bully”
    Now, I like that song too so I watched it several times … then glanced down at the first comments,

    “My neighbors love this song so much that when I played it at full volume on my kick ass stereo, they threw a brick thru my window so they could hear it better “

    • When I’m sitting at the lights in my car, I like to tap my fingers on the steering wheel in time to the music on the radio.

      Sometimes I nod my head from side to side.

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        Many years ago, when my Fathers emphysema got really bad I was driving up to his place at Foster or bailing him out of Taree hospital almost once a week.
        The 4 hour drive each way was really taking it out if me and I suffered frequent micro sleeps whilst behind the wheel with several near misses.
        I was describing this problem to my interstate Truck driving brother in-law at a BBQ and he suggested that as the micro sleeps start to occur I should just have a wank.
        A wank? I enquire.
        Yeah man,…just rub one out.
        But that would just have me getting there later, pulling over to the side of the road just to have a crank.
        No, he says, ya do it while ya driving,…all of us truck drivers “do it” when we get sleepy on long hauls.
        After my laughter subsides I say, Bullsh!t Mate
        After his laughter subsides he says, Just give it a try,…. it’ll refreshen ya and keep the nodds at bay for at least an hour after.
        Trust me man,…all truckies do it.
        It’s Safety.
        Just remember to have a towel in ya rig.
        We both laugh and drink more beer.

        • So, I was right! With those cameras up high to catch mobile phone usage, we’ll now have clear view of this… uh… unconventional ‘coffee’

        • When driving Sydney to Melbourne I’ve often felt tired during parts of the drive. I sometimes try pinching myself really hard on my leg. Doesn’t really work. Next time I’ll suggest the wife give me a service. 😄

          • My car was rear ended & written off by someone who was rolling his eyes instead of watching the road! The girl was a bit battered with a crook neck, but got off the job just in time for his sake….. We’ve all been young & stupid – but safer to pull over instead of pulling off shurley.

          • @Colin …

            When I lived in Manhattan Bch in the 80s I watched one early morning whilst walking down the sidewalk a young gal in a huge lead sled convertible olds 88 bang into the back of an Merc at a stop sign – all she did was sneeze at the wrong moment.

            This is replicated by watching a delivery truck backing out onto the street near by, with reverse beeper, and witnessed the slow train wreck of the lady in her Porsche behind him refuse to move. She was in his mirror blind spot, she stayed in her place as his rear when up her bonnet. I did supply statements to the cops in favor of the delivery driver, she thought she owned that space on the road … chortle …

        • The Traveling Wilbur

          While I cannot in anyway edorse this dangerous and somewhat overly-complicated alternative to pulling-over, having a nap, and putting the welfare of other road users first, I can offer some advice on said wakefulness strategy provided by the aforementioned truckie.

          Use a condom. Remember – safety first.

          (and don’t have the dog in the cab/car at the time, that would just be wrong)

      • I also tap my fingers to the beat and occasionally have a little boogie in the car seat. I do not however pretend to scratch my nose, I prefer to launch the index finger directly into the nostril cavern searching for inspiration or whatever else my be up there. Mrs Nut does not seem to have the same appreciation of nose mining as I do.

        • boomengineeringMEMBER

          WN, Too much information thanks. Used to drive Sydney to Perth in 2 days with 2 hrs sleep at Eucla in early 70’s, took a week to get over it though. 102 MPH most of the way, including through townships. Locked up for life trying that stunt these days. Remember a sign in the sixties going to Denmark WA saying NO SPEED LIMIT, think NT had the last of those signs. Bubbley may confirm this?

          • Don’t know how you do a drive like that. I hated driving between Mt Isa and Townsville. Think I was scarred for life after driving with dad from Darwin to Townsville or Brisbane, the drive was boring but dad and I use to stay at these really classy (not) establishments along the way, some very interesting characters. Never did the Nullarbor, the Barkley was bad enough. I’m a Territorian and remember the open speed limits well. In the late 80’s we over took a cop car between Katherine and Darwin doing about 150k’s or maybe more. The copper was flying and did it because we could. Not sure when, or if the open speed limit ended.

            In the late 90’s when we were living in Mt Isa, went camping near Camooweal. Took the company cars over the border into the NT and gave them an thrashing. Got my VR Commodore up to 195 k’s. Fvck that was fun! Did the run a couple of times. Another time, Mrs Nut overtook a couple B-doubles between Cloncurry and Mt Isa clocking 150. There aren’t too many passing opportunities and you gotta take them when you can. She was sh1tting herself, normally like driving with Miss Daisy but we’d to the Cloncurry Cup races and had a skin full except, thankfully Mrs Nut. Mrs Nut was still shaking hours later and the boys were like “that was fvcken awesome, can we do that again?” Ah, the good ol days on…

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Met a bloke who didn’t believe it possible citing his V8 & 2 drivers couldn’t achieve it. Asked him where he stopped etc. Told him 1200cc coupe stopped every second one of his stops and while petrol being served bought food eaten in transit. His car could go faster but not all that often and my continuous driving ensured no wasted resting, eating toilet, fuel, sleeping time. Being fit must also have helped as well as the 2 bonus hrs of E S time zone, but that compensate for the 350 miles of dirt Nullabor rd.
            Have too many weird and wonderful stories of those multiple trips,

          • No more in the NT either Boom. Was driving from Alice to Ayers about 15 years ago & it’s now 110/120 iirc. They lowered it a few years after the Jap dentists smoked themselves in an F40 in the Cannonball run. Thing is there’s SFA coppers there, so we did it all ~ 170kph, the Camry Aurion got a bit floaty after that & the fat Wedgies couldn’t lift past windscreen height unless given enough time, so was wary once we could see them lifting in the heatwaves. No driving at night, Camels too big…….

          • GunnamattaMEMBER

            Brings back to mind a story I was told when I lived in Alice Springs for a while circa 2003.

            I had intermittent contact with the local cops over workplace issues (I had to spend a lot of time at outlying aboriginal mission stations) and would have the occasional beer with a couple. One night they told me a story of a Japanese guy who had been found dead on a bench seat alongside a petrol station at Coober Pedy, with his big Yamaha road bike still alongside the bowser. The SA cops were trying to work out where he had come from and what had happened. Eventually they pieced it all together.

            This fellow had arrived in Darwin, and had stayed a night in a motel, in January. He checked out of the hotel at 0700, and was next picked up refueling at Katherine, at 0930. Thats about 300+ klm in about 2 and a half hours. He bought a can of coke, and a burger, spent ten minutes scoffing that down (it was all on camera) and took off.

            His next stop was Daly Waters which is about 270k away, but this time he had done the journey in under 2 hours with him again being caught on camera topping up again circa 1125. He spent another ten minutes scoffing another can of coke and some chocolate, and made a loo stop.

            Next town on the menu was Tennant Creek. He was there at 1415 having done 400+ klm in circa 2 and a half hours, during the middle of the day, in 40 degree heat. He topped up again, seemed a bit wonky on his legs according to the bird who served him, took two cans of coke, and an ice cream, and sat on the bench outside for about 15 minutes before setting off again.

            Next up was Alice Springs. Our man covered the 500 klm between Tennant and Alice in under 3 hours, at an average speed of circa 180klm, to arrive in Alice right on about 1730. He tried to ask something of the bird who served him there, but she couldnt understand him and thought he was slurring his speech, and she tried to get some other Japanese tourists to see if he was OK. They said something to her about him wanting to know how much further to Uluru, and she explained the turnoff was still some way away, and that he should probably avoid being on the roads after dark because of animals and road trains. She too noted he seemed wonky on his legs. His Alice meal was 2 cans of coke, and a hamburger, and he pulled out of the servo at circa 1750. They didnt know if he went to the loo or not, cameras werent pointing the right way. It was still seriously hot (circa 40).

            He did the 450 klm journey to Marla Roadhouse in circa 2 and a half hours – it was still daylight when he arrived there, though crossing into SA meant he had picked up an hour timewise – and it was still high thirties vis temperature. Again it was all caught on camera – he topped up, went inside, paid and also grabbed another two cans of coke and a salad roll – again he looked proppy on his legs. He spent ten minutes outside eating his grub, and took off again at circa 2130 local time.

            His final stop was Coober Pedy, where he pulled into town about an hour and 15 after leaving Marla. It was well dark by the time he got there, and the cops looking into the matter discerned he had worn an awful lot of insect life – and figured most of that was the final hour of travelling (in the dark or near dark), most of which was still at above 30 degrees celsius. He topped up again, bought two cans of coke and an ice cream, paid by card, and leaving his bike by the bowser walked to a bench seat and sat down to drink. He certainly cracked one can of coke and took a swig, but sat there motionless for at least an hour before anyone from the servo thought to go and see if he was OK. By that stage he was gone. It was later established he had had a heart attack.

            Thats one way to do your final day on the planet. According to these cops this gent wasnt the only crazy Jap on the road……

    • “My neighbors love this song so much that when I played it at full volume on my kick ass stereo, they threw a brick thru my window so they could hear it better “


      • Shocking isn’t it? Especially homeless in LA. I’ve observed similar in San Francisco over 10 or so years. It’s like the more an economy booms, the more people get left behind. Same in Sydney and Melbourne. It’s dog eat dog out there. Very sad.

        • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

          The meritocracy ensures that there will always be winners and losers.

          Interesting that high class professionals and managers use to be called the “Leisure Class” – in by 9 on the golf course by 3, home by 6. Nowadays the opposite is more true than not, in terms of lawyers and corporate managers (at least in Aust) pulling some of the longest working hours in the world…. the Meritocracy makes slaves of us all, even worse, it forces us to hold our own whip and apply it without mercy.

          Of course it was a sterotype that the leisure class spent all their time at the Golf course, a lot of such professionals and business men also were members of community clubs, Lions, Apex, etc. The ability to partake in such volunteer and community work would have been higher in such a time than in time starved today. You still see them in the country, but not so much around the big cities and their satellites.

          I wonder if there is a connection there between the practical open borders “Meritocracy” we now live in, time paucity, a declining sense of civic consciousness and rising levels of poverty?

  4. Flammable Cladding

    A pivotal weekend for Christmas retail shopping, I would reckon. If the masses have not gotten the message to spend, spend, spend on their credit cards due to the recent RBA cuts (which do not affect their credit card interest rates) and the minor blip in house prices (freestanding in ‘desirable’ areas, not the poorly constructed dogbox overlooking the freeway, which they actually own) then something is going to break very, very soon. And I ain’t talking 18 months either.

    Consumer behaviour decoupled from central bank policy – we’re through the looking glass folks.

    • I can’t recall a specific financial catastrophe, flagged this far in advance, actually coming to pass.

      The closest situation I can recall involved a trader suggesting 3 days before the short-VIX funds blew up actually going long VIX – it was stretched taught by then so there was some inevitability, but still a very good call.

    • “…since the beginning of the Fed’s balance sheet taper, large U.S. banks like J.P. Morgan that are central to year end flows spent some $350 billion of excess reserves on collateral.”

      I guess it’s just a happy coincidence the Fed is going to toss another $350 billion into repo before years end.

  5. NEW ZEALAND – CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL: The urban wreckers … mastering insolence, ignorance and incompetence …

    Christchurch Town Hall’s cleaning and electricity prove costly for Vbase … Dominic Harris … The Press


    Maintenance firm Citycare confident of profitability despite posting biggest ever loss … Dominic Harris … The Press


  6. Just watching some of a YouTube linked above on American poverty.

    As poverty unfolds in Australia those of us opposed to insane levels of immigration should start the narrative the middle class will vote to take money from the elites driving population growth into Australia.

    We’re different to America in having compulsory voting. I don’t think it’s going to unfold the same way for Australia’s very wealthy.

    • I think your wrong. Just look at how vast and empty our country is and check out those land valuations, highest in the world. Compulsory voting means nothing, the controllers still managed to enslave us via debt and not a wimper from anyone

      • Money is debt, not that wages and productivity diverged in the 70s and the leash was taken off what C-corps could do w/ a side defunding government,

        I see the space force had no dramas in being funded, harks of Rayguns star wars economic miracle.

      • That’s true, but there’s competing interests within the middle class happy with high prices.

        As the middle are going to be asked to pay for more and more poor people, the middle will look to and vote to redistribute wealth from the elites in my view.

        What do you think?

        • The elite are smart, they have their finances structured so that no one can get their hands on them, ATO included. Most of them have a bolt hole, so they can pack up and leave.
          It will be the middle class that will be left destitute. The reason social democrats want open borders is to bring in welfare recipients who in turn will vote Left because free stuff. Once the sd’s are in power and the elite have left they will proclaim the middle class as rich and the age old pinko wealth redistribution scheme can commence. The bar to be considered rich will be set lower and lower until they finally run out of other peoples money and then one day you wake up in Venezuela/California/Cuba or any other socialist dystopia.

    • We need a Pauline?
      Sustainable Australia is too complex of a name for the average idiot in our country. Call it reduce immigration party, get some press and win some f kn votes!!

        • Hi Boom, apologies for being off topic. You said you were worried about keeping gold due to possible government confiscation. Why don’t you buy silver instead. Price is more volatile than gold but in the end has the same sort of disaster/inflation protection, if that is what you are looking for. Perth Mint sells silver, also I have bought from City Gold Bullion in Adelaide because I prefer the PAMP numbered bars, they also have a store in Brisbane, I am not affiliated with CGB. If you don’t want to time the market you can cost average by buying for the same dollar amount every month, quarter et cetera. Something to ponder.

          • Jevons ghostMEMBER

            Buy silver bars? What on earth for? Who will be available and willing to convert that hefty, possibly counterfeit lump of metal into cash at short notice when you need to fill up the car or shop for groceries.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Thanks Sacha, put it all in MB fund (too fragmented before) was going great guns for a while but went down about 6K from the high last I looked,) don’t check very often). Thanks for the motivation, just wasting the float atm, vet bills, cafe’s and the missus loves buying ornaments etc then throwing them out shortly after. Who am I to condemn with 1.2M in tools (lifetime)( lucky to get 20Kfor the lot if had to sell though) )and still buying.She would pay someone to get rid of it all If I died

          • JG, to anticipate a horror scenario like that you could buy some bags of silver coins, pre or post 1946 or 1966 50 cent pieces. It all comes down to diversification. In the old days they used to say have 5-10% of your wealth in gold/silver, I think that is still a good idea, and getting better.

          • Sadly the entire historical record does not support your ideological conclusions, sociology and history makes a mockery of the notion that hording stuff like metal or stones will save the day.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            How did you know people say I remind them of Al, at least it wasn’t Ted.
            Why can’t it be the other way round, like, eg, Clint Eastwood looks like me? probably wouldn’t be right Clint Eastwood looked like me. OK solved, not right as predecessor must be the mainstay reference point.

          • Interesting point counterpoint you have there Boom. Just one minor change in detail if you please: “…probably wouldn’t be right Reus looked like me…” and your synthesis would be just about perfect, we are on MB after all. As much as I like Clint in the old spaghetti westerns, lately he looks like he’s eternally trying to pass a particularly hard turd, so I don’t think you want him to look like you.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Yep, it is always said that someone looks like their parent not the other way round but why should someone of the same age be given the privilege of people looking like them just because of celebrity status, couldn’t the celebrity happen to look like you.?
            Gotta take the lateral thinking cap off before I start upsetting someone.

      • We need a smart Pauline who’s less of a redneck, amd not so harsh on the people not doing so well.

      • I have to restrain myself. I find a lot of stuff of interest, but not all related to MB.. 🙂 which reminds me I should go out and work on the car.

        • boomengineeringMEMBER

          Hey Gav if your missus ever says what are you wasting your time on the car for just retaliate with, do you want me to keep my mind active with model trains?

          • She actively encourages me working on cars. Even the inlaws think it’s a good hobby to have. Better than gambling or alcohol. It’s always kept me out of trouble. Good thing is the missus likes the new car (Stagea) has fun driving it. She didn’t like the Jimny, too slow and made her nervous on the freeway with trucks etc..

    • Their traditional carpenters is a sight to behold, spiritual attitude to working with the wood.

      If there is one thing that gives me the shites at work is not being able to do a job well due to other considerations.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Gavin, I loved it.
        My cycling mate who used to work for me was in that category. It would bring tears to my eyes, nearly sobbing, when the machine and him became one. The first day was about to explain the idiosyncrasies of the mill he said all the same to him and worked it out straight away 4 times faster and more accurate.
        He now commands $500/hr on site machining working for himself. He used to work for a boss besides me doing 3–6mth stints in Dubai, India, China, Indonesia getting $15K ,/wk tax free. On job machining 30M diam crane track. Got sick and nealy died in India.
        When he had kids didn’t want to work away anymore. One day ,year’s ago had a gut ache and they found a bug growing in him even though hadn’t been OS for over 6 mths. Yesterday picked him up from the arthroscopic’s but nothing to see,? Was on morphine to quell the gut pain.

        • FYI: The workshop did a good job on the mechanical stuff, but despite putting paper protection down in the foot well still manage to get grease stain on the carpet (managed to get it mostly out with my steam cleaner and cleaner) but also chipped the lower front bar on the car.
          Despite me warning them it’s low, be careful. It also has a couple of damaged spots, so what can you do? Can’t make them pay for something that already has paint issues. But annoyed it happened as it’s now more obvious there is damage to it.

          I will of course eventually have the whole thing repaired and repainted, but it just reiterates that nobody cares about your car as much as you do… Think I’m gonna get the missus a regular little Corolla or Camry to put around in, and if my wagon needs work. I’ll spend the time doing it myself. I always forget how much money you save by doing the work yourself. Just don’t always have time before holidays.

          Bit of a shame for them, I would have left them a positive review on Google otherwise.

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Unfortunately some of your car time will soon be curtailed by house mods saving even more.

          • You’re right on DIY! I think the quality of mechanicking (like most thing’s) has dropped over the years Gav unless you’re Really prepared to pay through the nose at a tuner house or prestige joint……. The old time/quality/money equation’s going the wrong way.

        • Jevons ghostMEMBER

          Your mate is on morphine without a diagnosis? Has he been checked out by a gastroenterological unit based in a major teaching hospital?

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Jevon, don’t know all the details but I’m suspecting he overworked and overstreesed. Lineboring jobs can be very stressful but he had an easier one last week Insisted he get it checked out as well as more therapeutic seawater time.

          • Jevons ghostMEMBER

            From the gist of what you are saying your mate needs to have a very thorough investigation into the cause of his pain and if at all possible a plausible physical diagnosis made. Hence my previous comment. I can’t elaborate further on this forum.


          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Jevon, he was taken by ambulance to hospital about week ago, morphine released the next day, with scripts for stomach medicine and ordered to have tbe endoscope..

          • Jevons ghostMEMBER

            If the docs involved take a really good history, do the right tests and cover all the bases then more often than not the true cause of the pain will be revealed. If it were me I would be wanting to know the cause of abdominal pain severe enough to require morphine. Hope your mate asks for answers and gets it all sorted.



      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Skip, not being able to do a job properly.
        Noticed that in another trade where a bloke was competing with cowboys, the cowboy would go broke only to be replaced by another new cowboy adding to endless cheaper competition.
        On another note, if you like wood check out my nephew Bert Burger”s surfboards. Sunova Surfboards, wooden boards half the weight of normal boards and 3 times as strong.

    • God I miss it! Stringy swarf, gloves & no eyewear make me cringe though…….

      Generalist observation – Early/mid Xers were probably the last to be taught properly over here before all large industry disappeared.

        • In good old days, a mechanic needed a spanner to fix a car.

          These days, a mechanic just needs to know which parts to replace.

          • Yeah OBD’s replacing skills. My corner’s gone from Lathes etc to mainly CNC which I’ve done a lot of too. Being good at the manual stuff puts your understanding on a whole other level though. And at the front of the queue/top of the tree when it comes to sorting wheat from chaff as an employer.

    • Gav. All well and good, interesting, but you do realise that’s Guy Martin narrating the vid?
      Legend, total legend. What a character

    • informative in terms of Japan’s dying engineering skills but I have to go against the current here and say that Lathe, in the engineering world, is fairly basic machine when compared to milling machine. I think they could have filmed a workshops operating Universal Milling Machine working on more complex piece rather than a cylinder. And no mater how close the tolerance requirements, a cylinder is still a cylinder. After all if they use polishing (not sure if I am using right name) machine they can make tolerances even smaller.

      Happy to be corrected as I only go by what I was told back in Macedonia when I was very young adult and memory can play tricks after so many years.

      • Your memory’s alright – a Cylindrical Grinder is what you’re describing, although they’re often used more once something is hardened. The finish & tolerance is seriously better than what can be achieved on a lathe. The H9 tolerance (2:43) Guy was aiming for is big & it’s being talked up – being careful you could go for 1/3 of that! But still some engineering pron for some. If the size was tighter he would’ve left the back of the (presumed solid) billet in till sized, so the jaws had something more substantial to squeeze onto & it didn’t spring out of round once released – I probably would’ve done that anyway, can rough it out quicker then without worrying about it trying to fly out & into your face under cutting load. In the comps most sizes were H7g6 or H7h6 (limits & fits) & finishes were much smoother than generally expected for a Lathe.

        Mills or Lathes….. both have different jobs & both need skills, understanding & concentration to get the best out of them.

          • True Boom. Do you still know any oldies from/at GI?

            Nik – Feel is the key for manual machining…… the characteristics of the metals, the swarf, the machine, cutters, arbors, holding, spring etc….. The old world ladies were all classy & forgiving in that respect.

            Reusa’s right about the rough newer types 😉

          • boomengineeringMEMBER

            Dick Fogerty was my boss at GI. I used to pump weights lunch time at the carpenters shop with the Maltese wrestlers.

  7. The Moon is Made of Cheese — and other scientific conspiracies

    Potholer54 shows you how to build a conspiracy theory and also points out how absurd the “Follow the money!” claim of climate change deniers is. As well as why you can’t toss out the science that makes you feel icky. (This is different to tossing out the science that is superseded by a better model. A subtlety that is often lost on the climate change deniers, or flat earthers, or the anti-vaxers, or the anti-fluoride brigade, or those that think iodine in salt is a poison, and on and on the sad list could go.)

      • I wouldn’t say that. I worked with a brilliant scientist who could split his mind in two very easily. On one side he was doing work that assisted geophysics and tectonic plate monitoring and on the other side he was a fundamentalist Christian who believed that the world was created in a week and only 6,000 or so years old. I’d never claim to be more intelligent than he is. And it quite common in the field of science. One of the two DNA guys would adjust his concept of the world to fit both his religious beliefs and knowledge of the world. We all do it to some degree, accommodate our beliefs by disregarding something that is known about the world. So it is more how we can learn to not be hostile to knowledge that challenges us rather than a lack of intellectual capability.

        • crossed wires I think…I was referring to the IQ controversy that occasionally rears its ugly head on these pages.

          • I.Q. in this context is just pettifoggery to obscure the master race framing, same as the cultural Marxist special plea.

            One would have to establish a baseline going back thousands of years to substantiate, not that ethnic and ideological melding happens across the entire period – its like some never read Toynbee et al.

          • The East Asians: Japanese, Chinese, Singaporeans, Koreans, score highest on IQ testing.
            But yeah, I am an evil white supremacist. Bwahahaha!

          • Sacha ….

            I remember in the 80s in Redondo Bch Wh!te slices complaining about the Asian influx and how that screwed with the bell curve and admission into University from a traditional perspective … seems survival of the fittest has an ethic bias ….

          • JohnR (and others that find this a touchy subject), try to overcome the taboo for a moment and have a look at the issue with an open mind. I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not the brightest bulb, but even I can comprehend that by looking at the world through the lens of IQ and culture/behaviour combo you can answer a lot of questions regarding why some peoples are doing better than others. It’s not a panacea but a very helpful and significant tool. If we can accept them as major contributing factors, then we might stop blaming evil white men for all the present worlds ills, a charge that is seriously getting out of hand.

            Here is an interview with Heather Mac Donald, she wrote the book ‘The Diversity Delusion’, how the diversity cult has infiltrated the Universities and is changing our culture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-DbLiTWY58

            “Beware of people that are too intelligent for their own good, and could not contemplate the notion that they could ever be wrong about anything, or are so ideologically blinkered that they are not open to any ideas that don’t fit their bias.” -Unknown

          • The problems with IQ:
            It works below 100 (where people are deficient) but not above. Ie if you test the same person twice, they will get a similar result if they are below 100, but it doesn’t repeat above.
            It’s internally referential, ie it tests bureaucratic type skills, and people who do well on these tests do well in the professions. So you get a correlation between IQ and performance that is bogus.
            the racial stuff that people pin on it.
            These are Taleb’s ideas not mine…yes he’s impossible to understand and an egomaniac, but that doesn’t mean he’s wrong:

          • Interesting. The article is a bit of a mess, looks like he was upset when he was writing it. Nassim sets the tone from the get go by saying that people who adhere to the study that IQ has any significance in life outcomes is used by racist/eugenicists, so at this point I am supposed to get really scared and crawl back under my rock.
            First off IQ testing is not the end all be all regarding intelligence, but it is a good indication and thus has some predictability for life outcomes. It gets even better when you combine it with cultural/behavioural aspects. Also IQ tests can be done with pattern recognition where language, numerical or bureaucratic skill are not required, so analphabetics can also be tested for aptitude.
            When he says that IQ de-correlates when it goes higher and then does not necessarily correlate to life outcomes, that is of course correct. i.e. An intelligent person can be almost anything he wants, but a less intelligent person has limited possibilities in life. I think that is what you mean when you say that “It works below 100, but doesn’t repeat above.”
            In general regarding intelligence, there is a bit of a battle going on between people that say that any person gets born as a tabula rasa and then is able to conform/adapt completely to whatever environment he is entered into, and his intelligence will follow suit; and the other side that suspects that intelligence is mostly inherent and much less formed by environment. It is easy enough to find adherents of both sides, listen to what they have to say, and then weigh the pros and cons of each.

          • To clarify regarding IQ de-correlation: an intelligent person can be almost anything he choses, i.e. a surgeon or a truckie. If he becomes a truckie there is no correlation with his intelligence. A less intelligent person can be a truckie but not a surgeon. That’s why IQ testing and its predictability works better for the lower end of the scale.

          • It’s not a panacea but a very helpful and significant tool. If we can accept them as major contributing factors, then we might stop blaming evil white men for all the present worlds ills, a charge that is seriously getting out of hand.

            Why would we not blame the people with all the influence and all the control in society for the current state of society ? Why should they be absolved from responsibility ?

            Amazing how in previous times we got by with these low-IQ, low-culture groups in society. Of course, back then we made an effort to do so – at least until all those “evil white men” started disassembling civilisation to make a few more dollary-doos.

            Here is an interview with Heather Mac Donald, she wrote the book ‘The Diversity Delusion’, how the diversity cult has infiltrated the Universities and is changing our culture:

            LOL. Heather McDonald. Why is it you guys always have to rely on such broken examples of human beings to support your positions ?

            The problems with IQ:

            The biggest problem with “IQ” in discussions here is what people here really mean when they use it is “race” and what they want to use it for is exclusion and discrimination on that basis.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            I give up – there is nothing offensive in this comment other than legitimately held views.

            Nah “Professor” – when I say culture I mean culture, when I say race I mean race.

            That is the difference between me and you, I say what I believe.

            JohnR – IQ is one of the most verifiable, testable and translatable psychological tests around. If it is inaccurate, then all the social sciences are inaccurate and all of their findings should be viewed with suspicion, including moralisings around privilege, advantages of diversity and nearly every foundation feeding into social justice.

            IQ is highly repeatable up to around 140 – above that it starts to become less accurate or repeatable.

            IQ is one of the biggest determinants of an individual’s life outcomes and consequently of profound CUMULATIVE importance to society – indeed, the mean IQ of the society we live in is many times more important in terms of impacting an individual’s life outcome than their own personal IQ, simply because of the synergies that accrue to society by having smart people living in it, able to find each other and working together.

            IQ of population groups SHOULD be used as a filter or an assessment criteria in order to help limit that large scale migration of population groups who will prove difficult in terms of assimilating and integrating into our society.

            Not excluding, but consciously limiting, yes discriminate, – otherwise we end up with this problem:


            Just as people have the right to discriminate who they let into their homes, so to should they have the right as to limit who they let into their society.

            A large population group unable to successfully negotiating the basic requirements of successfully operating in our complex society and who will require massive amounts of OUR resources (that could have been better spent on the needy already existing in OUR society) simply so that they can eventually (hopefully) fit in.

            This problem that is being written about in the SMH is a direct result of people like the Professor pretending that IQ is of no importance in terms of how a society functions.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education reported in 1998 that white students from households with incomes of $10,000 or less score better on the SAT than black students from households with incomes of $80,000 to $100,000. In 2015, students with family incomes of $20,000 or less (a category that includes all racial groups) scored higher on average on the math SAT than the average math score of black students from all income levels. The University of California has calculated that race predicts SAT scores better than class.


            ….this gap has persisted for decades. It is not explained by socioeconomic disparities.

            Income inequality ISN’T the cause, nor is it “community” as those high earning Blacks all live and move to very nice suburbs thank you very much.

            Under the “Professors” world view the only possible remaining explanation is “racism” or “prejudice” or maybe “structural racism” to explain the invisible and unmeasurable phenomenon behind wealthy blacks getting lower SATs than poor whites….. OR it could be genetic.

          • Nah “Professor” – when I say culture I mean culture, when I say race I mean race.

            Except for all the times you argue that culture and race are essentially inseparable because genetics.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            No dingle-berry, I maintain that there is a feedback loop between each as they influence the other…. big difference.

            But then it has to do with science so I suppose it all appears to be magic to you.

    • You will find many voters will freak out of the danger of dihydrogen monoxide. They all vote, of course.

    • Hilariously our local Labor (Federal aspirant that got crushed last time) posted some woke banality (unrelated to brexit) first thing this morning. Almost to emphasise the lala land they live in.

    • TailorTrashMEMBER

      Jeremy forgot …just as Hillary did …that working class “safe seats “ will not stand for being taken for granted when you ignore their voice .
      They voted leave and he advocated another referendum…..so they told him in the best possible way with their votes to go fcuk himself …..(they may have only lent their votes to Boris to get their Brexit …..but …flawed as it is ….it is democracy in action )
      ……..good or bad there is a strong nationalism in those lager lads of the midlands and north ……..they have ancestors that fought and won many wars …
      and they will not go gentle into any good European or multicultural goodnight ……….the doomsayers will say Britain will sink out of the EU ……..I’m not so sure …….

  8. Josh Ryan Collins being interviewed by an Australian podcaster about financial deregulation, money creation and the land bubbles across the Anglosphere. He spend some time discussing how before financial deregulation there was focused lending guided by government policy to build up industries. That’s how Japan and Korea got where they are today though I don’t think that we would be able to climb the ladder of industry quite as high as those two .


      • If observed from the position of Military pharmaceutical industrial complex, it achieved deired goal immaculately
        Permanent crisis spots is what they seek to perpetuate arms sale and have unencumbered medicinal trials.
        Iraq, Libya, Afganistan… mission accomplished.

  9. ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

    Ban commercial bottling of public water!
    We have seen what has happened in the US, whole townships without water, this is unacceptable!
    Queensland school runs out of water as commercial bottlers harvest local supplies https://t.co/4hzIdO61JZ

    • “Bottling expansion could see 9 billion litres of pristine Christchurch water sold overseas …The China-owned company could be eyeing up billions more litres of water from beneath Christchurch to bottle and sell overseas as part of a major expansion of its operations ….At least eight bores with permission to take drinking water are on, or next to, the new site. If it gains consent to use them, it could have access to another 7.5 billion litres of the city’s water – five times what it can already take – for export each year.

      • with permission to take … If it gains consent to

        Government permission is the most valuable resource on the planet. Young people should choose a career path to maximise the extraction of this resource. I suggest that lobbyist, rent-seeker and crony would be the best career paths.

    • Schools without water while corporates continue to profit; this country never fails to reach new lows.

    • Looks like Micheal Burry (from The Big Short) might be right about the next crises being water. Espescially here. Half the country is burning and running out of water whilst our fvcking corrupted cvnts of politicians say there is nothing they can do about it. Beggars belief.

  10. reusachtigeMEMBER

    I love how the woke have gone broke in the UK and they can’t cope with it. Suck sh1t leftie scum!!

  11. The Traveling Wilbur

    And no, no one cares about the Welsh or what they want to remain in.

    If you ever want to seriously disturb a whole village of valley-dwelling Welshmen (mainly), go on holiday in Wales, wait until it’s twilight and walk for an hour an a half over the nearest hill on a B-road. There’ll be a pub at the bottom of it. Go in, order yourself a drink and watch ’em all try and figure out who you are / where you fckn came from and how you got there (no engine noise). Hilarious.

  12. Donald J. Trump


    How do you get Impeached when you have done NOTHING wrong (a perfect call), have created the best economy in the history of our Country, rebuilt our Military, fixed the V.A. (Choice!), cut Taxes & Regs, protected your 2nd A, created Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and soooo much more? Crazy!

    All genuflect before the Great Leader … Libertarians take a bow …

    • How do you get Impeached when you have done NOTHING wrong

      Obvious answer is: “you don’t”.

    • Nah mate, with the house prices going up again, chances are it will hurt only if you’re making a Molotov Cocktail.

  13. “For many of the experts who attended, reining in excessive heat is a priority issue for the future of Darwin.

    “We expect by 2050 the peak temperature in the city may increase up to 3–4 degrees and this would double, or let’s say triple, the energy consumption in the city and would increase heat-related mortality,” said Professor Mat Santamouris from the University of New South Wales.”


    • Energy consumption might not increase that much if rising temperatures in north Australia depopulates the region.

  14. boomengineeringMEMBER

    Just did a leg workout on my self made 45 degree leg press m/c. Its an extremely heavy monster, half ton about 10 ft in length but ultra smooth, thats why its in the factory. Foot plate adjustable angle ,as is bum seat, middle backrest plus or negative angle and headrest as well as the whole combination able to angle for comfort. Safety mech being if you let go of the hand grips the weight trolley stops.
    Not going to do my morning ride much good. Don’t think I’ll need to do the above mentioned to keep awake on drive home now but a cramp could be on the cards.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Another nail in the coffin for the ride, finished off at home with thigh extensions. btw Very conservative estimate of leg press weight. Made it hm in good time but probably not a good idea to think safety in numbers all speeding.

    • Incline press is good, love the hack squat machine too Boomy. Most people seem to ignore the legs and work the beach muscles. My old track sprint (running) coach used to say the only reason I want you doing upper body work is to help you get strong enough to load the bars to work your legs.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        jimbo, you’re a better man than I, fattest kid in the school would come last and I second last (swim like a duck but run like a duck). Your coach was right, squats are the most important exercise, promoting muscle growth in the other body parts. Still have vertical leg press and hacksquat machines as well. Since closing the gym a former client rings & texts every 6 mths wanting to buy my one piece steel dumbbells but the are in a set dual racked 1kg to 200lb each the kg ones having a small diam and the lbs large diam. Also steel more dense and no air gaps making for smaller less cumbersome for the same weight, hence the attractiveness to him unable to find the quality elsewhere. Don’t want to break the set.
        BTW The weight cradle trolley weighs nearly 300lb empty.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Stupid, cheating like hell, small range of movement. My machine allows for knees to pass your chest if you so desire. Powerlifting squat is thigh parallel to floor but bodybuilding can be past that. If you always do short movements then you create a comparative weakness in the unworked part asking for injuries when surpassing the norm.
        Bob Bud, a Boomas Natural Gym member in the 60’s used to squat 600lbs with his bum nearly touching the floor. He had a front tooth missing and spit would fly across the room from his blood brightened head with veins ready to explode. Unfortunately he was under the thumb by his missus who also played up. He died on his motor bike head-on with a truck. My other training partner was half German and half Dayak Borneo headhunter, he had orange skin and hair.

        • boomengineeringMEMBER

          Btw referring to your vid. One of the many problems of steroid use is the muscle strengthens before the tendons ligaments and bone have a chance to catch up, resulting in injuries. Muscle tearing tendons off the bone etc.

        • That’s massive! My best squat so far is 160kg, and at my gym we are meant go right down full range of motion, not just parallel.

        • boomengineeringMEMBER

          The original gym had a slight downhill outside and was usual to find a crumpled body laying on the bottom ..We used to train that hard that, dizzy spells, blurred vision, vomiting, etc was common. Another location had pedestrians jolted in fright when scream outbursts could be heard a block away. Then the obligatory peering in to ponder the source.

  15. boomengineeringMEMBER

    Going to look a bit funny at the after ride cafe in the morn with white knees after painting the container roof today, lightly sunburnt and tig welding rayburnt arms. Don’t tell me off Colin I know., me bad man.

    • blacktwin997MEMBER

      i think you’ll find that the first person singular of one who tweets is ‘twat’. Also past participle! e.g. ” I twat back to that Ermington Plumbing that jetting a choke is no big deal”.

    • With the Queen being the queen and all, we had a philosophical debate one night after a couple of buckets; does the Queen sh1t? Excluding lizard creature (Elizabeth > lizard, sh1ts real) conspiracy theories, we all agreed she must however painting a mental picture of the queen on the sh1tter curling one out was quiet an interesting debate.

    • The boom continues (anecdote) at a chrissy party last night (not a relations party) and there were 5 new house purchases in the last 3 months. Everyone there was a white collar professional (mostly medico, a barrister and misc) – can’t see the boom stopping currently.

  16. Does anyone know if any emerging economy/country bonds are/were accepted as collateral in the Repo market?

    • Do you really believe that skippy?
      The deal will last 5 minutes before Trump says China are breaking it and back go the tariffs.

      What Trump is doing is playing for time so manufacturing has time to move out of China.
      Any CEO not already doing so needs their head read.

        • Of course hes going to play it that way with the blow-hard-iness and self-congratulations, but my theory is on again/off again is all to buy time for companies to move manufacturing.

          Look at how the US has applied the handbrake to the WTO, ostensibly to give the Chinese no venue to fight back. The theory being if China hasn’t played by the rules since joining the WTO, why give them an outlet to get rulings against others.

          Time will tell.

          • Your projections don’t fit anything and saying China does not play fair is a joke. The U.S. is used to getting its way in everything and only recently under trump has thrown its toys out of the play pen, if you consider that a rational or logical policy agenda good luck with that.

  17. I think I will be getting myself a bottle of single malt scotch for Xmas. Anyone have any strong opinions / recommendations ?

    I’ve only really had about three that i even knew what they were so I’m keen but really non expert.

    After doing some vague interwebs reading I’m thinking of the Ardbeg 10 year because I enjoyed an Islay malt in the past and people seem to rate that one. But to be honest I’m also happy to go for something entirely different as long as it isn’t too unremarkable / generic…

    • If you want something in that style, try Lagavulin, Laphroaig or Caol Ila. Not really to my taste, but I keep them in the cupboard for when people who do like it are visiting (as those are the ones they repeatedly recommend).

      If you want something on the lighter side, it’s hard to go wrong with Glenmorangie (arguably no reason to go past the base 10yo, but if you’re going through a duty free, grab a bottle of “The Duthac”). On special at First Choice at the moment for $65.

    • If you’re seemingly new to single malts, anything from Islay is an unusual place to start. They are definitely an aquired taste. When you enjoyed it in the past, how smashed were you ?

      I would definitely recommend a Highland or Speyside to start with. What’s your price-point ?

      • Thanks CM. Good questions. I guess about $80-90.

        I’ve drunk scotch a fair bit and some were single malts but i mostly didn’t know what each one was and didn’t know much about regions etc.

        Once I started paying attention:
        – I enjoyed laphroaig but also had to be in the right mood for the massive peaty smash.
        – I had a bottle of Aberfeldy (Highland) but found it a bit uninteresting, a bit too sweet and gentle

        Now looking for something interesting to try, ideally on a rainy evening. That’s if it ever rains again. I’ll still drink it if it doesn’t.

    • Talisker 18, or highland park 18.
      Both about 20% peat.
      Talisker smoke more at back
      Highland park smoke more at front.
      Seriously good

    • for anyone interested in whiskey, i highly recommend the whiskey club: https://thewhiskyclub.com.au/

      I signed up earlier this year and it’s a great way of being exposed to all sorts of left-field whiskeys that you wouldn’t normally buy or sometimes can’t buy in Australia. And importantly, they are all amazing.

      No commitment to buy on any given month either.

    • An old housemate of mine decided to get into whiskey and went about it in a very systematic manner. He set himself a minimum and maximum spend and then started at the left hand side of the top shelf and Dan Murphy’s and worked his way through to the bottom. It didn’t take him to the final bottle to figure out what he liked. This was also in our bathroom as reading material. https://www.whiskybible.com/ It is probably the best bathroom book I’ve ever come across.

      • That sounds like how I would do it.. typical obsessive shut in behaviour! 🙂

        Good tip on the book, thanks, Xmas is going to be easy this year.

    • @ Arrow2

      But to be honest I’m also happy to go for something entirely different as long as it isn’t too unremarkable / generic…

      If you never tried, a bottle of an Armagnac is a must. Their flavour is not as opaque and complex as Cognac but more flavour open and cheerful.
      Chabot XO is an affordable sampler at ~150bucks (DanMurphy’s)
      If you did not have Brandy or Cognac recently, I suggest have a few days of Cognac before tasting Armagnac, to acquire some base taste.
      There are other types of exotic spirits I can recommend but would be harder to get.

    • Isle of Jura. Like a milder version of Islay. Absolute nectar, my favourite single malt, but not to be had out here in the boonies. The only thing I miss about the big smoke – a decent bottle-o…

      • Great tip – thanks. That’s one that already caught my eye for that reason.

        Wow. This is going to be hard. Thanks everyone for the fantastic suggestions, now my shortlist has about 10 whiskies on it… can’t wait! 🙂

    • Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor November 2019


      3 December 2019

      Auckland, 2 December 2019 – More than three out of five New Zealanders (62%) believe they cannot afford to buy a home in their local property market, according to the latest Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor. Just 38% of respondents said they think they could afford to buy a home, compared to a 42% global average. Housing remains the top issue facing New Zealanders. …

      … The top three issues facing New Zealanders are housing and cost of housing, followed by poverty and inequality with healthcare / hospitals and inflation / cost of living in third equal position. … read more via hyperlink above …

  18. Flammable Cladding

    Finland Minister tries out this ‘democracy’ thing by, you know, actually asking people what they think and is immediately shot down with a reminder that getting the punters’ view on certain topics is not to be done. And she had the gall to communicate via social media!!!!


    What were they afraid of? Getting an answer they did not like?

    Since when is asking people their opinion on a given topic a crime against humanity??? FFS.

    At least we live in ‘Straya not Finland where there is a degree of freedom of speech. That sort of reaction would never happen here …. oh wait …

    • Since when is asking people their opinion on a given topic a crime against humanity???


      Lynchings never hurt anyone who didn’t deserve it. The crowd confirmed it !

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        1/3rd of the people lynched in the US were white.

        Each year the number of white people killed by blacks in the US exceeds ALL the lynchings of African Americans that took place in the entire history of the US.

        • You appear to have missed the point completely. But good-o on trying to bring race it into it.

  19. Got ransacked last night whilst not home. Only a tub of coins stolen. Get a text tonight from the neighbor saying she sees lights in my house. The cvnts came back to clean me out. Surprisingly quick response from cops, got there in a couple of minutes. I got back in about 10. This rime they jimmied the sliding door out, and half my power tools are gone and the other half on the rear patio. Cop sniffer dog tracks the scent to the local blackfella college and loses the trail….. hmm.. Time to move out. Everything valuable is heading to storage tomorrow and then moving in with mate in next week or two.

    • That’s rough, Timmeh. Hope they catch the cvnt, but not holding my breath. What did the bastards take from you?

      Might consider investing a measly sum into a security camera or three if you haven’t already.

    • Use the old Johannesburg Burglar Alarm next time….
      Half a bottle of whisky on the sideboard laced with arsenic or similar…
      The opinion being that you’d find the culprits and your stuff within 500 metres of your burgled house….

    • Mining BoganMEMBER

      Speaking of power tools, in what I think is some sort of perverse punishment for spending 12 hours at Royal Melbourne yesterday, I find out this morning that Lovey loaned out my gear to her friends…including the EGO mower!

      Is this good citizenship, theft or just outright revenge for saying my phone will be switched off all day?

      • Arthur Schopenhauer

        I lent my EGO Mower to a neighbor. He enjoyed the combustion free experience so much he bought one. Fewer revving 2-strokes on the weekend. Once you go electric you never go back!

    • Geez, that’s no good, sorry to hear it Timmeh.

      Moving out is the right call. Crime stats are clear on this, once a place gets robbed it usually gets robbed two or three times, thieves are lazy and once they’ve figured your place out they’ll keep coming back.

      • Yup, the little cvnts know how easy a target that house is now. Im kinda happy anyway, i am sick of the joint now anyway, the place is a dump and having massive ghost gums right next to the house is a massive pain in th arse.

  20. Obama and his merry band of xir’s are f’ed: http://andmagazine.com/talk/2019/12/11/the-hidden-hand/

    Its an intelligence officer doing a review of the obama/clinton coup attempt of 2016.

    Our fave Australian provocateur makes an appearance too, “… It concerns a meeting between a cooperative contact of a foreign intelligence service and a junior level employee of the Trump campaign, George Papadopoulos. The report relates what are frankly very amorphous comments by Papadopoulos concerning the Russian government and its alleged possession of information on Hillary Clinton.

    On any other day this report would command no attention whatsoever. The source in question has no track record of any kind with the FBI. Papadopoulos has been employed by the Trump campaign for perhaps 90 days at this point, and there is no reason to believe he has contacts of significance in the Kremlin.

    Not on this occasion. This one report from a foreign intelligence service goes directly to the top of the FBI. The Director himself, James Comey is briefed. A full investigation is launched. Multiple confidential human sources are tasked. Wiretaps are ordered. A task force is organized. Crossfire Hurricane is born.

    There is a problem, though. This hand, perhaps because it is controlled by individuals who have made their bones riding desks in Washington, DC and not in the field running actual operations, is clumsy. ”

    Clumsy clumsy hands… these people are stupid.

  21. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/leaked-document-shows-nsw-health-needs-1b-in-job-cuts-to-plug-funding-gap-20191209-p53i9o.html

    Nurses and paramedics could face job cuts of up to 10 per cent as NSW Health contemplates ways to deal with an anticipated financial shortfall of $7 to $10 billion over the next decade.

    A leaked internal presentation – parts of which were obtained by The Sun-Herald – shows senior bureaucrats are considering several means of “dramatic change required to close the gap” and reduce the department’s spending by 20 per cent in the next 10 years.

    That’ll fix it!!!!

  22. boomengineeringMEMBER

    A rather large wallaby jumped out in front of me this morn, then waited between some bushes with a smug look, seemed like about to do it to the next cyclist. Further up caught a small middle aged group absolutely flabbergasted at the sight of me, ” did you own a gym?” yep ”Boomas ?” yep, couldn’t believe I was still alive, ”thought you’d be dead years ago, ”used to watch you paddle kilometers out from DY Point in storms when I was a kid, just talking about you the other day”. He did notice the huge difference in body size though. People thought I was on a death wish but was only doing what I liked. What they don’t realize is that riding a bike on Sydney roads is by far more dangerous. ”You should write a book he said”, I answered ”all you have to do is say yes to everything”. He sounded ashamed to be a plumber so had to set him straight that it was a good trade and would always have work.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Here we sit at Manly Wharf cafe with my freshly white painted knees thinking that I should have told that guy it was a ghost he was talking to. Legs sore, reminiscent when a passerby reported a murder in progress and had to tell the cops was only screaming in cramps pain. They went off laughing.

  23. Just my usual weekly rant about NSW Education.

    Fiona Mueller, the education program director at the Centre for Independent Studies, a think tank, said falling numbers of high achievers was concerning because it risked Australia becoming uncompetitive.

    “Who will then go into the workforce and provide the expertise that we need to be competitive as a nation, and address all of the challenges of the 21st century, which are so often mathematical in nature?” she said.
    “We are risking becoming very uncompetitive in productivity … That then will have a reflection on quality of life and the ways in which we manage our own policies.”

    Wow even SMH staff are connecting the dots, suddenly I don’t feel so lonely banging on the decline of Aussie schools every week.

    but of course we need to see the bigger picture
    So band 6 HSC results tell us that our kids are doing well, I don’t think so
    Part of the problem with band6 Math results is that a student can get the Band 6 in any Math subject ranging from General Math through to Extension 2 Math. The first only really tests basic numeracy with some application, it is more or less Year 10 Math.
    Extension 2 by comparison is a VERY difficult subject requiring the student to master doing formal Proofs of formulas.
    Neither of these Math choices is really targeted at the application of Math concepts to unknown problems. In both cases the students know exactly what is expected of them, the problems can be difficult but if you can recognize which formula you need to apply (which method to solve) than the solution will usually pop out quite nicely.

    I know that Aussies like to believe that their Education is less Rote learning and more Application of concepts based however tests like PISA show us that we’re achieving precisely the opposite to that which we believe we’re achieving ….That’s an interesting conundrum!
    Achieving exactly the opposite outcome to that which you set out to achieve, wow…. While simultaneously those students in countries where (according to Australian educators) are taught by Rote Learning, yet despite this “inferior” education they are apparently much better at applying what they’ve learned to solve unknown real world problems.
    Interesting Conundrum isn’t it? Should I continue to believe in a process that creates failure when the path to success is known? Isn’t it funny how this failure of our education mirrors the failure of our economy?
    They’re both heading in the wrong direction (in my opinion) with the accelerator pedal pushed flat to the floor, no time to look around given the speed we’re currently going at we need to just focus….hmmm why aren’t I convinced?

    • Professor DemographyMEMBER

      Spot on. All this rote learning of saying we shouldn’t teach to the test is rubbish if the tests are good. There is no reason the tests cannot be decent measures of creative math problem solving for example. Or at least as good as we can get.

      • +1
        also almost all jobs are BS jobs, don’t need actual STEM anything.
        Specifically the skills we need:
        Turn up on time to meetings wearing some business outfit (+/- makeup) that hides any aspect of your humanity.
        Master the memory and use of acronyms.
        Use a precise language that obscures honesty and stops the flow of information.
        Read to the end of emails and reply to them in a bland nonsensical way.
        Fill out your personal development review in collaboration with your manager.
        Be as bland, meaningless and pointless as possible, while sucking up to inane corporate slogans and posturing.

        • Arthur Schopenhauer

          + Hire external consultants to do any work that requires any sort of STEM skills, and claim the work as your own
          + Submit consultants STEM work to your company endorsed MBA program, as your own work. (‘Cause hey, you’re an ideas guy/gal)
          + Tell the consultant that they are too slow, because you need to submit their work as your own by the end of semester.

          Fvkn ‘straya. Fvkn ‘skilled’ immigration.

          • I love when people wear those shoes.

            it’s like a secret signal that they are insufferable spivs and it will save time if you punch them in the face IMMEDIATELY rather than going through all the tiresome formality of letting them speak first.

      • What’s interesting (wrt NSW) is that the Selective Schools exam (undertaken at the beginning of year 6) also attempts to test the application of Math concepts, rather than simply testing the Math that 6th graders are expected to know. This evaluation process has been criticized because it puts kids that have only done the school work at a disadvantage, because they’ve never seen math problems like on the Selective Schools test. However the Chinese and Indian kids that go to after school tutoring are basically learning to solve just these sorts of unknown problems, rather than being taught how to solve this or that problem they’re taught to apply what they know to the problem. It’s a different way of thinking.
        So guess what: Tutored Chinese and Indian students often ace the Selective Schools test while possibly more gifted and capable kids fail. Personally I’m not overly concerned by the injustice of this selection process because the path to success is obvious (which is not to say that Aussie kids need to attend Chinese after school cram sessions) but rather that they need to learn Applied Math, This needs to be an expectation of our education process even at the Primary school level.

        • You can’t create a system that can’t be gamed, and those that are most successful at gaming it are the most highly motivated and probably those without any imagination (because it’s intrinsically a boring arduous thing to do). Those top Asian maths students are going to use those marks to get into medicine, where it is superfluous knowledge. The risk is that the creative/imaginative/curious types fall through the cracks, but in reality they will find a way. They may not be at the top of the class, though.

          • Personally I’m a more pragmatic individual, if it works, it works! so double down on what works and gradually shift the entire system in the desired direction, But that said I’m also observant enough to see that this is precisely what is happening in Australia, the entire system is being slowly shifted towards a outcome that is the diametric opposite of that which I personally desire.
            If Australia wants to copy a Math system that is delivering results than we could do much worse than to just adopt the Singapore Math curriculum, everyone (that I talk to that’s. involved in Math education accepts that the Singapore Math program is far superior to our own, yet we double down on what fails.
            What does this tell me about the actual desired outcomes of those individuals tasked with managing our Aussie education process?

          • I agree with pragmatism. When it comes to education, everyone wants a say and half of them are blinded by ideology, so it’s not that easy to steer the ship in best direction…but I guess you know that.

        • Applied Mathematics
          I used to do extremely well in the mathematics tests in school. Sadly I was not very successful in life after I left school.

          Here are the essential mathematical rules every young Australian should know:

          * Property only ever goes up – it doubles every 7-10 years
          * Money earned from wages and salary is good for servicing debt (on property purchases of course!)
          * Income tax can also be used to service debt via negative gearing
          * Financial success comes not from saving but by borrowing.

          Applying for loans is the key applied mathematical skill every young Australian must master. Apply early, apply often, apply big.

          Success does not come from being conservative and telling the truth. The most successful people are those who applied themselves the most.

          App-L-I-E-D for the most loans
          App-L-I-E-D with the highest income
          App-L-I-E-D with the lowest living expenses
          App-L-I-E-D with the fewest other debts listed

          Remember these rules:

          App-L-I-E early
          App-L-I-E often
          App-L-I-E apply big

          It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Your best friends are your mortgage broker, your property valuer, your real estate agent and your tax advice accountant.

          • The Traveling Wilbur

            Exactly. Perfectly put.

            As part of the ‘advanced studies’ component, don’t forget the, borrowed too much {bank’s fault of course) and need bail out money from the bank of Mom and Dad to smooth things out. Just for a while. Of course.

            Followed 9 months later by a fckn overseas holiday.

            For Masters submission: need a write up of how you can explain taking the holiday while TBOMAD are still holding the bag on most of the bailout.

        • Was overseas when the PISA results came out, and just happened to stop over in Singapore which consistently scores highly in these sort of studies, but had dropped to second. The local news articles about this were quite interesting which has led to me looking up articles on Singapore Maths.

          I’d known that Singapore has had a rigorous mathematics curriculum, but wasn’t aware that they’d made some major changes a few decades ago after a series of poor benchmarks. The current system seems to have an emphasis on teaching less concepts, but in more in depth to avoid having to re-teach concepts. It is also highly visual based, emphasising a box drawing problem solving methods to help see flow. One of the reasons for the change was that under the previous system they had observed children struggling with “word” problems where mistakes can be made due to errors in interpretation as opposed to deficiencies in than calculation skills. It makes sense when reading comments regarding deficiencies in applied mathematics. Would be interested to know how maths is actually taught in Australia these days and the philosophies underlying this.

          • I wasn’t suggesting that Singapore Math is perfect, just that it’s a proven path from pathetic to passable. We can probably do much better, but we could also stick to our guns and continue to do a lot worse.
            I’ve looked at several systems and the Shanghai math teaching system is a extremely good at creating Math foundations. They even teach a sort of visual Algebra as early as 1st grade and carry these problem solving methods through all of the primary school math. Unfortunately it is very Rote Learning focused and very repetitive especially in Primary school. They issue these small work books and the student is expected to do about 2 pages of problems each night. The problems are fairly easy add, subtract, multiply problems but what’s interesting is that they repeat the same problem stated in different ways sometimes up to 5 times on a single page (page is maybe 30 problems) . For instance 5+4 =?, 4+?=9, 2*2+?=9 etc In University level we would say that these questions are highlighting the Associative and Commutative properties of Real numbers, but it is second nature to any Shanghai 2nd grader. It’s a good system BUT it only works if the kids do the homework…and that’s a major problem wrt Aussie schools, Aussie parents, Aussie students and Aussie expectations.

          • Poor kids. They strive to do better only to find out later on that they will never be able to match AI.

            Besides, could you remind me whether we need voters to be dumber or smarter?

    • If it throws a Naked Capitalism link at you, just walk away calmly but with purpose, maintaining eye contact at all times. 😜👍

  24. Has anyone here actually bought a qld govt real estate sales data for a suburb? Costs about 30 bucks.

    I have NO faith in realestate.com or on the house etc etc in reliable data for sales

    For qld.

    Amazing how different we r here with lack of transparency compared to trulia etc

    • boomengineeringMEMBER

      Real estate.com is usable if you read between the lines and look up the sold section and others the sales history. If a property sells under expectations they usually don’t print the price but it will turn up eventually.
      Things can be manipulated e.g.
      The wife’s acquaintances are disgusted in me when she tells them off me refusing to stop car Syd /Perth many years ago forcing her to drink radiator water. The reality was that it was water for the radiator not from it.

        • boomengineeringMEMBER

          Full agreement from the Boom household hence her RE.com expertise.
          Bit hard for me to relinquish the 300amps going to our house with about 20 3ph power wall sockets.
          Btw, that white paint I had on my face pre cafe could have passed as ghost like.

        • The thing old valiants were best at was highway cruising at 140km/h all day long. Not so good at going around corners or stopping though!

      • Translation: “Fvcking blood-sucking ticks and leeches everywhere!”

        Choreographed my shiny metal ass! It’s a lesson on how to turn a simple transaction into a fvcking meal for 60 parasites.

  25. boomengineeringMEMBER

    George, she said the other trick is to Google the address and the price sometimes comes up thats not on the other sites.

  26. boomengineeringMEMBER

    Wifey just had a spat at the mall. 2 Indian women were arguing over which bread was best and she yelled at them to speak English you’re in Australia now, you can speak English so speak it. They sh themselves and it horrified onlookers.

        • Yeah might have something to do with the new mate being buddy …. hay buddy …

          Sounds like cultural misappropriation … chortle …

    • I hope you said then apart but loud enough for the horrified to hear: ‘Now *this* is why I married you!’

    • In the last few years at several companies I have worked at there has been a increase in non-english conversations (work related) which is quite divisive and destructive from a team and cohesion point of view. I also get HR involved as I am sck of feeling like an outsider.

      • I’m the only non-vibrant in my team. Many vibrants from other sections come and have vibrant conversations.

        Very enraging and isolating.

      • In the last few years at several companies I have worked at there has been a increase in non-english conversations (work related) which is quite divisive and destructive from a team and cohesion point of view. I also get HR involved as I am sck of feeling like an outsider.


    • Your wife does realise that those ladies are allowed to speak in any language that they please when they are out shopping, doesn’t she? Indian. That’s fine. Spanish. Not a problem. Esperanto. Why not? Dothraki or Klingon. It’s a bit weird but whatever floats their boat.

  27. The Traveling Wilbur

    How does one get a job involving bowling at Australians who are prepared to just stand there and let the ball hit them?

    Asking for a friend.
    Well, several, actually.

  28. Well that’s it, the top is in.
    Our, kind of low ball, offer from October (originally rejected) was brought back to life and accepted this afternoon, with a slight discount for the aggravation.
    It’s an untouched 1960s former beauty. The old boy that lived there took good care of her, but clearly let it go in his last years. Some sweat and money to bring her back to former glory, but I’m looking forward to it.
    We’re not borrowing mega $, but aren’t on big money so it’s quite a chunk for us.

      • I had to slap them around with the building report a bit for it, but they rolled over much easier than I thought.

        Gotta say, came away less than impressed with the calibre of real estate agent we have in this country.

        • Sooo… in their little minds they were forced to …. ‘give it away’?

          With regards to the assclowns real estate assclowns: you still held the delusion they are above Protozoa? You fool!

          Also, congrats! With so many shut-ins giving up and buying, I think we’re sure to have *something* happen in 18 months time!

    • My brother and his soon to be wife tried to buy a place in Healesville and got fecked around by the agent and vendor. Agent took signed contract and small deposit $2k then waved it under the vendor with another offer from another party.

      Some back and forth and agent came back, so they offered a bit more and said they have till Saturday evening to decide if they are out. Vendor doesn’t come back by 5pm, so they pull out of the deal.

      Their offer was $10k out from the top of the price guide range. Should have been completely acceptable and they even made their offer unconditional and had booked building inspection for Monday. IMHO it’s very wrong to take a signed contract and deposit money and then try to change agreement after. Agents like this really anger me.

      • I propose that Red Mist Descending™️ should be a valid defense when dispatching Real estate agents.

    • By the way congratulations on your home. Good feeling. But the price can make you bitter. Hopefully it’s a solid home with good bones. Only a couple of months away from my move in date now. Cannot wait. I hate my rental.

  29. ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

    No denial of Climate change in this piece/timeline but a scathing indictment of the people and institutions behind Greta Thunberg.

    Interested in who thinks it is an over the top piece or on the money,

    “the multiple ecological crises which have been increasing over decades, is now being fully exploited as a means to manufacture consent. Corporations and institutions seek 100 trillion dollars for “climate solutions”. The unlocking of pensions is identified as a prime target.”


    • Would have thought this would put you off:

      A litmus test must be placed on all organizations that claim to fight for ecological and social justice: They must be united in opposition to imperialism/colonialism, militarism, white supremacy and patriarchy – all leading drivers of climate change and ecological devastation.

      It feels to me like a “you have to do it the way I say or you must be a traitor” distraction piece. But these look to be some more considered counterpoints:


      Ol’ Noam seems to think she’s legit as well.

      • The issue is capital front running it to make squllioins whilst monetizing everything so the market can price it.

        You know the bit about the government foaming the runway for the private sector I mentioned from the FT banking gathering.

        Bit like getting the chicago boys to fix what they broke, thanks Obama.

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        You’ll find few who embrace Hero Worship less than “Ol Noam”
        Greta is an irrelevant distraction from the agenda of the Plutocrats behind her.
        A similar Plutocratic tool of division to all the patriarchy schtick that is constantly served up as some kind of resistance.
        As for the White Supremacy/”white People” BS every time I hear it I think of how similar it sounds to the way 1930 Germans talked about the Jews. Blaming them for all and every manner of social ill.
        Just because it’s fashionable doesn’t mean it isn’t straight up Racist filth.

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        Well looky, looky, looky – yet another piece of scientific information that I’ve enspoused which you’ve previously described as fantasy turns out to be more likely correct than not i.e. the Multiregional development of modern humanity as opposed to the religiously themed ‘out of Africa’ thesis…. how ironic.


        Mentioned in your progressive SMH so I suppose now you’ll have to be forced to accept it as a possibility Professor.

        • Well looky, looky, looky – yet another piece of scientific information that I’ve enspoused which you’ve previously described as fantasy turns out to be more likely correct than not i.e. the Multiregional development of modern humanity as opposed to the religiously themed ‘out of Africa’ thesis…. how ironic.

          I’ve nothing vested in it. But some sort of parallel evolution seems a rather unlikely explanation for why modern humans are everywhere.

          The article aligns with my layman’s understanding that the current “out of Africa” hypothesis has multiples waves of migrations and likely interbreeding with Neanderthals, et al. I imagine the debate is mostly about the semantics like timings, routes taken, levels and frequency of interbreeding, etc than anything fundamentally disagreeing with the “out of Africa” idea.

          The article does not say what you seem to think it says:

          By the time Homo sapiens left Africa, several of our less-evolved ancestors had already travelled to parts of the world.

          But it was not clear if these separate species – including Homo erectus, Homo luzonensis and Homo floresiensis – were alive at the same time, or if they were alive when modern humans left Africa.

          That means they were living there well before modern humans left Africa.

          “They managed to colonise the entire world a couple million years before modern humans even left Africa.”

          I sometimes wonder if you actually realise that you make up most of the positions you attribute to others out of nothing.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            I know what the article said, it outlined several other species of hominids – it didn’t say that they were our direct ancestors.

            I stated modern humanity likely developed in multi-regional areas as opposed to a sequential out of Africa approach. There would still be a common human ancestor, but that ancestor is likely the parent of all the different regional population groups found around the world – Africans contain no Neanderthal or Denvosian DNA, yet Europeans and Asian populations don’t contain any of the “ghost” genomes detected in Sub-Saharan populations either.


            Likewise Asian populations contain Denvosian and Neanderthal genomes, but Europeans only have Neanderthal. Asian populations also appear to have at least two other ‘ghost’ hominoid population groups present in their genomes as well.


            The mutual exclusion of gene sequences found in some population groups but not others, means that while there was a common ancestor at some point, modern humanity developed multi-regionally, broadly in sych with continental population groupings, with not only a feedback loop between environment, culture and genes differentiating population groups, but also hybridisation and interbreeding with other localised, distinct hominoid populations also taking place.

            It also means that there is no longer a single population group alive anywhere in the world that acts as a common template for all the other population groups.

    • Trout à la Crème

      Interesting read. From the end of the piece;
      ‘A litmus test must be placed on all organizations that claim to fight for ecological and social justice: They must be united in opposition to imperialism/colonialism, militarism, white supremacy and patriarchy – all leading drivers of climate change and ecological devastation.’

      Let’s apply that litmus test to Thunberg;
      From https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/climate-strikes-un-conference-madrid-by-greta-thunberg-et-al-2019-11
      ‘After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all.’
      Looks like the campaign that Thunberg promotes which the typist labels ‘The Thunberg campaign belongs to the ruling class, not to the people.’ passes the litmus test at least in part on colonialism, racism (white supremacy race baiting) and patriarchy (lol). Could it then be inferred by the typists reasoning with any reliability that calls to dismantle ‘the patriarchy'(lol), are campaigns of the ruling class.

      Also doesn’t look like the ruling class campaign to dismantle ‘the patriarchy’ (lol) and that evil whitey (race baiting) colonialism is proceeding adequetely in Madrid.
      ‘UN climate talks stagger towards ‘mediocre’ outcome’
      Must be that darn ‘patriarchy’ (lmao) again.