Via the ABC:
Teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg has captured the world’s attention in a fierce and passionate speech at the United Nations headquarters, accusing world leaders of failing to act on climate change.
The UN event was aimed at mobilising government and business to break international paralysis over carbon emissions, which hit record highs last year despite decades of warnings from scientists.
“This is all wrong. I shouldn’t be up here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean, yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you,” said the 16-year-old, her voice trembling with anger at times.
“We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth.”
Ms Thunberg told the UN that even the strictest emission cuts being talked about only gave the world a 50 per cent chance of limiting future warming to another 0.4 degrees Celsius from the current level, which would meet the global goal of 1.5C — the benchmark temperature rise laid out by the 2015 Paris Agreement that will limit the impact of warming on world weather systems.
Those odds were not good enough, she said.
More than 50 global leaders — with the exception of Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and US President Donald Trump — were set to take part in the summit by announcing climate finance measures and transitioning from coal power.
Mr Trump dropped in briefly and listened to one of the speakers. Ms Thunberg stared down the US President when the two crossed paths.
Leaders were only permitted to speak at the event if they could offer up new climate action plans.
Inspired by Ms Thunberg’s solitary weekly protest outside the Swedish Parliament a year ago, millions of young people poured onto the streets around the globe last Friday to demand governments attending the summit take emergency action.
After her speech, Ms Thunberg and 15 other young climate activists filed a complaint with the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child alleging that world leaders’ inaction on the climate crisis had violated children’s rights.
The petitioners, who range in age from eight to 17 and hail from 12 different countries, teared up as they presented their complaint at the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) headquarters and gave personal accounts of how their lives and homes have been upended by climate change because of politicians’ inaction.
The complaint accuses the respondent countries — Argentina, Brazil, France, Germany and Turkey — of knowing about the impact of their carbon emissions on the climate and doing nothing to mitigate it.
The respondents are a few of the biggest carbon emitters out of the 45 countries that have signed a protocol allowing children to seek redress under the 1989 Convention of the Rights of the Child, a treaty that declared the unassailable civil, economic, social, political and cultural rights of children.
Other major carbon emitters such as the US and China have not signed the protocol.
Global warming caused by heat-trapping greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels has already led to droughts and heatwaves, melting glaciers, and rising sea levels and floods, and scientists say the crisis has intensified since world leaders signed the 2015 Paris Agreement to combat climate change.
A new report from the World Meteorological Organisation released ahead of the conference warned the world was falling far behind in the race to avert a climate disaster.
The last five years have been the hottest on record, the report said, with ice sheets melting and sea levels rising at an unprecedented rate.
“I was very struck by the emotion in the room when some of the young people spoke earlier,” French President Emmanuel Macron told the summit.
A cohort of leaders from the Pacific, which has borne the brunt of the climate impacts such as extreme weather in recent years, also warned the summit that enough was not being done to stave off climate change, calling it a “living nightmare”.
“I think that no political decisionmaker can remain deaf to this call for justice between generations.”
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, who organised the one-day event, had warned leaders only to turn up if they came armed with concrete action plans, not empty speeches.
“There is a cost to everything. But the biggest cost is doing nothing. The biggest cost is subsidising a dying fossil fuel industry, building more and more coal plants, and denying what is plain as day: that we are in a deep climate hole, and to get out we must first stop digging,” he said.
Nevertheless, there were few new proposals from governments for the kind of rapid change climate scientists say is now needed to avert devastating impacts from warming.
The summit has, by contrast, been marked by a flurry of pledges from business, pension funds, insurers and banks to do more.
“There will not be any solutions or plans presented in line with these figures here today because these numbers are too uncomfortable and you are still not mature enough to tell it like it is,” Ms Thunberg said.
“The eyes of all future generations are upon you, and if you choose to fail us, I say we will never forgive you.”
Nor should you. It is my fervent wish that children rise up and overthrow today’s utterly corrupt system. They should replace it with a recognisably green, liberal market economy that sees houses as a need not asset, stops the tax rorts of their forebears, and enables meritocratic and creative lives expressed through freedom.
As a weary and plodding climate warrior myself, I fear that Ms Thunberg will need an AK-47 to do it.
He is also a former gold trader and economic commentator at The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, the ABC and Business Spectator. He is the co-author of The Great Crash of 2008 with Ross Garnaut and was the editor of the second Garnaut Climate Change Review.
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Yes, but for a moment, and perhaps as a start, many belonging to the crapulent moneyed class felt some slimy brown squirt from their backside as this young lady spoke yesterday.
No matter how improbable change may seem. Nothing lasts forever. And they know it.
Greta came to the USA by sailing boat.
she went to London from Scandinavia by train.
she walks her talk.
They count on people for their climate change agenda, which is just a front for a socialist takeover of society. They clearly ignore all the articles that show there is MORE ice — not less.
There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of human-induced climate change. The climate has ALWAYS moved cyclically and changed. It has NEVER remained the same even from one decade to the next.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/weather-was-also-extremely-volatile-during-30s/
You do realise how ridiculous you sound right? ‘No evidence’?
So pretty much every single scientific institution on the planet as well as the major fossil fuel companies has somehow looked at the all the information available and somehow got it wrong – or is part of the single most complete, and utterly baroque conspiracy theory in history?
Yes there is natural variation in the climate. What we are seeing is not natural based on the consensus of those actually looking at the evidence – that’s the whole point.
That girl needs to grow up!
Joan of Arc and the madness of crowds can be easily understood by watching the circus carry on with her. When the mob turns she’ll probably be the one burned at the stake.
As I’ve said previously, we either have a CLIMATE EMERGENCY in which case we should be doing EVERYTHING possible in order to mitigate and reduce the activity that is harming the environment. Which in the West means reducing economic activity and the mass migration that is driving it
OR
we have a “climate emergency” that means ordinary people need to accept lower living standards so that our elites can continue minting massive coinage via mass migration – especially by focusing on the demographic sweet spot of importing working age people just as they hit the all important consumption phase of their lives.
Stewie, you have been on fire lately, keep it up.
Yeah but nah
Plenty of people are doing what they can
Lower power lights, insulation, solar, less water, riding to work, EATING MORE PLANT BASED FOOD ( I mean seriously, eating cows etc? Just dumb )
+1 this is why I want a Mudbrick home, low carbon foot print, plus water tanks, solar on roof, I would even try going vegan (and body building while doing it). If i had the space for a garden to grow my own foods. I only ask that I’m allowed to keep my vintage cars, but I see vintage cars as less environmentally damaging than producing more and more each year (just fix existing cars and keep them in good tune) even charge congestion tax to drive in to the city OR have carbon credits (by not eating meat etc.. I’m more than offsetting my use).
I’m willing to change, but I find it all a bit pointless when nobody else is willing to make those sacrifices and it’s more Business As Usual and my main focus right now is shelter.. You know 1 of the main human needs.. if we can’t solve housing affordability, how on earth does the planet stand a chance?
@Chase – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZUoCpx8jag
No one should be made to give up their vintage cars!
(1972 MGBmk2)
Children are great, involved in massacres against the Jews, Pol Pot used them for his dirty work, Mao exclusively used young for his Cultural Revolution, The Lords Army, etc. etc. and and so on and so on…
If you want some horror done right, kids are the always the best, especially with AK-47’s!!!!
“If you want some horror done right, kids are the always the best”
The socialist way!
Wait until we have conscripted enough to the SHY-Jurgen, massacres a plenty.
This is exactly the point I keep making – if it were such a real emergency then EVERYTHING needs to be on the table.
Personally I accept that things need to be done and make an effort to be more environmentally conscious myself. But under the current settings existing Australians, indeed all morally clubbed Westerners, crimp and save and sacrifice in order to reduce Australia’s (West) overall environmental impact, simply to make way for more migrants.
Environmentalism comes at a cost – using genuine recycable programs (as opposed merely exporting it to 3rd world countries to dump in their rivers) is expensive, that’s why we export our rubbish rather than genuinely recycle it. Paying more for power, paying more for newer more energy efficient saving devices, etc…. all these programs both help the environment and reduce our environmental foot print.
But then our elites, cheered on by the likes of environmental Joan of Arc’s like Greta, back fill every last environmental saving and more, by importing more and more people, raising them up to Western levels of consumption.
Effectively existing Australians are accepting a lower quality of life, by way of lower disposable income and higher living costs for these environmentally friendly solutions, for the sake of the environment, while the reality is, they are accepting a lower quality of life in order to accommodate more immigrants…. this is all about the existing population making way so that our elites can continue minting coin from mass migration, especially those immigrants who are approaching the demographic working age sweet spot that results in them being higher consumers. Get all those Aussie geezers, young kids, etc, to curtail their consumption, in order to be able to import high consuming adults who go about setting up their households.
The higher costs associated with pursuing environmentally friendly policies is a good and right thing to do – BUT it weakens households, we have to work longer and harder, our disposable income is reduced, it becomes harder to challenge the status quo or resist, as we spend our days chasing our tails to stay afloat.
You can already see where the next line of attack is coming from in regards to Westerns livings standards – the war on Meat consumption is the next obvious target.
If it were such an emergency – we would be putting population caps on the developing world and stop sending them aid. It is the number of people that matters – we can ‘get away’ with high emissions per capita as we have such a low capita!! But countries with hundreds of millions of souls need to keep that in check.
We should cut immigration to zero as a climate emergency measure!
It is all about getting and maintaining the “right” sort of consumption…. services, used primarily by the young and old are the “wrong” types of consumption.
The “right” type of consumption is the sort that helps perpetuate the status quo – it is the “right” sort of consumption that results in people shopping at Frank Lowy’s Westfields, that has them buying apartments from Harry Triguboff and stocking their newly built cupboards with lots of merchandise from Harvey Norman.
THIS is what Corporate environmentalism is all about.
I am sure there is a plan in place for a genuine emergency that involves a very rapid reduction of the human population.
The Earth will take care of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wanker
I usually find you amusing Reusa. You missed the tone with that one
+1, Some days I feel as angry as she does.
Watch out when she does, she is dynamite.
I think she has removed the lid.
Christ ! what Meds are you on ?
Or shouldn’t be on ?
You are hardly coherent.
Then you’re failing to get contemporary references to clangers dropped by leftist leaders and the latest scientific research. Back to school for you! I think I hear you mum calling you in for dinner, sonny.
Macron: “I think that no political decisionmaker can remain deaf to this call for justice between generations.”
You just watch us here Australia do just that! We are ‘Quiet Australians’, and we say, “Screw you! I’m alright! Come and take my perks from my cold, dead hands, you Lefty scum!”
🙁
My 11-year old son speaks similarly to how Greta does – they are realising basically everyone is too selfish, willful and/or caught up in the here-and-now, to bother changing, and that the vested interests are very strong, and very, very stubborn.
I agree but Macron is pure distilled evil
I think you overstate your case, given that you know neither me nor my son
Touche. Restrained and elegant Mr Burb
Unless your son is adopted, I can only think of Breeder’s Remorse.
https://www.amazon.com/Better-Never-Have-Been-Existence/dp/0199549265
Being a bit rough there Chase, i haven’t read all the comments but i haven’t seen burb say their son isn’t aware of the population issue which i agree is the true end-game.
All the kids are brainwashed on climate change.
From the FT last weekend …
https://www.ft.com/content/8913f7d6-d4ac-11e9-8367-807ebd53ab77
For those of us who think climate change requires bold, urgent action, there are two awkward facts to contend with. The first is that its most worrying impacts — including floods, crop failures and diseases — are unlikely to manifest at full strength for decades or even centuries. The second is that because the world has been getting dramatically richer, future generations are likely to be much wealthier than we are.
Both these awkward facts militate against doing anything too expensive in the short term.
Here’s an analogy: imagine that I discover an incipient damp problem in my house. A surveyor tells me that if I spend £1,000 now, that will spare my great-grandchildren £5,000 of repair works in a century. At first glance it seems that I should fix the damp.
On reflection, though, spending money now would be foolish. Investing £1,000 in the stock market on their behalf would be better. At a modest 3 per cent real rate of return, it should be worth about £20,000; at 5 per cent it will be worth £130,000.
In any case, won’t my great-grandchildren be vastly richer than I am, just as I am vastly richer than my great-grandparents? Why worry? They’ll cope.
That is silly Philly, at present rates, CO2 and Methane emissions will assure we don’t get to the 3rd generation from here.
4 Degrees spells the end of agiculture. i.e. the end of civilisaton.We will be there by 2050.
“4 Degrees spells the end of agiculture. i.e. the end of civilisaton.We will be there by 2050.”
Lolz!!… sure it will.
That’s beaut
Silly philly
Based on what some say, those projections are potentially way too understated/cheap, and perhaps not existential enough (not exponential enough?)
Oh I don’t know.
Last time I looked no one was putting away – printed – money for a rainy day
Here’s an analogy: imagine that I discover an incipient damp problem in my house. A surveyor tells me that if I spend £1,000 now, that will spare my great-grandchildren £5,000 of repair works in a century. At first glance it seems that I should fix the damp.
That’s a fantasy.
This would be a (somewhat) better analogy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_London
The “worst case” of where this could end up can’t be fixed with money. Which is precisely why economists and anyone with Libertarian leanings should not be allowed anywhere near it. It is a problem that exists outside their frame of reference.
The problem is, Burb, most youngsters are full of anger and idealism — right the way through Uni, in fact. Once in the workforce, however, the harsh realities of life intercede (debts, work pressures) and all this idealistic clap-trap is soon tossed in the garbage.
From there on it’s a matter of survival, nothing else.
“It is my fervent wish that children rise up and overthrow today’s utterly corrupt system. They should replace it with a recognisably green, liberal market economy that sees houses as a need not asset, stops the tax rorts of their forebears, and enables meritocratic and creative lives expressed through freedom.”
This, too, is similar to what I say to my young son – whilst also letting him know that some are doing what little we can about it.
That’s a bit unfair I think.
Unfair, but not untrue?
Turd boy.
Again, I think you overstate your case, given that you know neither me nor my son. In fact, he’s the sort of person that ends up a world-changer for the better – he is highly intelligent, highly idealistic, a razor sense of justice, an advocate for the weak, marginalised and hopeless, and highly charismatic…yes, he’s just 11, has the philosophical sense of a 40 year old, conducts maths and english years ahead of his age.
Nor am I your regular thoughtless consumer; even my business and research undertakings are both environmental and productive in nature.
Further, people “wake up” whenever they “wake up”. We ought to be pragmatically idealist, not naively idealistic, and propose things that won’t actually work, all things considered.
Further again, when I want to make a comment about how children feel (many are similar in sentiment to my son) then I believe the sort of comment I made is both valid and warranted, and your attempt to invalidate its thrust wasn’t warranted nor successful. If the comment is constructive and useful, let it be so, without picking at it – even if you are partially correct about timing.
All in all, I choose to push back at your characterisation of me and my son.
Regards.
Good on you TBW, and good on your son.
Chase is a Troll, only not a very good one.
Yes I’m a not very good troll, given I’m actually getting people to think and justify their decisions or positions.
Then get a Membeship and stop freeloading
With respect Chase, you are not necessarily being as useful as a troll as you assume…
Just because you prompt people to respond, and they do so, does not necessarily mean they have not already considered in depth what they think; further, don’t assume that what people say characterises all the depth and detail that they think – it’s just not reasonable, nor efficient, to write all that down, and you would do well not to demand it.
It’s quite possible your trolling is more for you than it is a service for others, as you imply from “Yes I’m a not very good troll, given I’m actually getting people to think and justify their decisions or positions.”
Regards.
All parents have rose-coloured glasses when it comes to how great or potentially great their offspring is. “They’re going to change the world!” or “they’re going to cure cancer”. It’s all just this generation of parent’s version of ‘indigo children’ – the ones of the 90s and 2000s who were destined to change the world.
It’s ego that makes you think your child will be different (but history says your child will probably be no different to previous generations, or their peers).
No one thinks their children will be a mindless marketing coordinator, or human resources advisor or real estate agent – which is more likely.
I’m sure he’s a nice kid – a deeper thinker – but ultimately, we all get crushed by the grind and end up surprised how we all turn out after having to make our way through adulthood.
Sad but true.
Sorry you are now defensive and have to assuage your guilt over bringing a child into this world (apologies, if you made the noble choice of adopting a child, let me know if I’m wrong).
Remind me not to invite you to any BBQs
I am not being defensive – you assume you are the smartest and most insightful person the room, and I like pointing out that such people are just of full of other assumptions as everyone else. I’m trolling you. The difference is that I am generally fairly aware of my assumptions, but it seems you are less so…?
Further, yes, he’s a great kid – I’m proud of his character, especially given the many challenges he faces daily (he is severely physically disabled). I don’t assume that he will change the world, just because he has the potential to….you are the one that assumed that my pride meant I was deluded about reality, when the reverse was true…
Dude…so many assumptions, but so unaware of them, and so head-sure 😉
Troll tip: less attacking the man, and more attacking the issue at hand
/end trolling
I’ll happily avoid most people’s BBQs where there is lots of children running around (or being fobbed off with tablets or other devices), male posturing, women bitching and looking down on one another’s motherly decisions, whilst all the parents all bitch and moan about how being a parent is the toughest job in the world (as if they had no say in the matter), and then when they all get into drunk form (which they all do), end up sobbing about how hubby or the missus isn’t treating them well and maybe it was a mistake to have children. It’s amazing how honest parents become when they are drunk and find out you’re childless (‘you’re so lucky’, or ‘if I had my time over again’, or “I don’t really like my children.’).
I’d be happy to not get your invite.
“Remind me not to invite you to any BBQs”
I hope you’re not burning any gas or charcoal for your BBQ’s
All parents have rose-coloured glasses when it comes to how great or potentially great their offspring is. “They’re going to change the world!”
Yeah one god damn co2 molecule at a time
Turd boy
“Remind me not to invite you to any BBQs”
Thank you for that spontaneous LoL
Like, no offence, but he sounds like a future shut-in commenting on this blog. Best to tone down his education before it’s too late. Teach him about TV shows and hot chicks. All the best.
One thing Chase it right about is the tendency of kids to over-indulge in internet TV, etc….challenging my son to watch less TV is indeed a busy job!
Good on her and others. The younger generation needs to get ANGRY.
And then breed and perpetuate the misery..
No but to chase you down
Vote for Angry Elizabeth Warren.
WE all need to get angry, very , very angry.
And all get rose tattoos
I don’t want to nit-pick but she really should have called out the greatest polluter on the planet: China.
I know in this day and age of absurd social justice tripe that criticism is reserved exclusively for those of a Caucasian disposition but you tell it as it is otherwise you have no credibility.
My workmates want the retarded little sh!t to die.
I love hearing about your workmates!
And when so we get some more Street Talk!!!!!! with Mining Bogan?
I’ll have to do one soon. I’ve been talking to a whole bunch of people that think Straya is rooted. Maybe on the weekend. I fell down a hill on Sunday and smashed myself up so I’ll have plenty of couch/Jack the dog/online time.
They complain about the country being rooted yet continue to vote for a government that treats them like a bukkake b1tch. A brick would be the smartest thing in the room if you weren’t there Mining.
Some people are saying Greta needs to keep her white Privilage in Check.
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1175848457191510016?s=19
I know people like your workmates who attack her or anyone protesting over climate trying to find a flaw in the person rather than the argument. They attack the player, not the game. I feel sorry for them.
Shoulda seen their faces when I said she’s smarter than me and I’m the smartest bloke in this room…
LOL, haha. Nice.
impressive English for a second language
I think English is his first language and bogan is his second.
Consider that self demeaning insult to others borrowed.
Someone’s been taking their confabulation tablets again.
People love ad hominem – attack the person instead of the issue…saves the possibilty of being wrong or having to do something about it (at least, that’s what we like to think…).
About the only thing Australia could do is Jack up the Royalties on our Coal Gas and oil extraction and use the funds to research and develop some Geoengineering options. Humanity is not going to stop emitting carbon. This should be obvious by now.
Thats a good idea but the Coporate media will immediately attack and shut down any suggestion of increased taxes, wealth redistribution and non market solutions.
A much less threatening thing to focus on is a George Soros funded and scripted circus, of an emotionally odd Nordic teenager being encouraged to yell at everyone and bewail her privileged existence.
This whole Greta Thunberg saga is culture Waring BS 101.
A plutocratic “Mission Accomplished”
Why not join Extinction Rebellion?
Could be the best action you’ve ever taken.
Help find a way out of Straya’s malaise where the false promise of endless growth and infinite consumption of ‘everything’ has become our pathetic reason for existing.
https://ausrebellion.earth/join-the-rebellion
That’s about as useful as this … https://www.alp.org.au/about/join-labor/
Speaking of usefulness, I think the only thing more useless than a Royal Commission is a Climate Summit.
At least a Royal Commission doesn’t usually require world leaders to galavant around the work on private jets to a destination where they can all clap hands and sing platitudes about their commitment to co2 reduction. haha.
This!
We can include the SMH Population Summit to the list of useless events as well.
Elites preaching to plebs.
What’s changed?
How counterproductive. What self-respecting parent is ever ‘woke’ by the self-righteous fury of a child?
Hey – its not a cult until you have a creepy child with fetal alcohol syndrome pushing some agenda.
As per usual, some Soros lackey is in the background: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/surprise-the-official-escort-for-16-year-old-global-warming-expert-greta-thunberg-is-a-leftist-hack-funded-by-george-soros/
Jeez the MB crazies are about
Where’s robert
I hope that after yesterday he realised he is not going to get away with just making statements and sprouting facts without having them critiqued.
There are enough people making statements that they should be ashamed of on this post to day, he probably doesn’t feel the need to speak up.
I hope that after yesterday he realised he is not going to get away with just making statements and sprouting facts without having them critiqued.
LOL. Sublime.
I reckon my workmates are angry at the retarded little Swedish sh!t because deep down they understand that their conspicuous consumption lifestyle has to end before it kills us all. They know at sometime we have to give everything up but are hoping they can hold on and the kids can rein back their lifestyle and save the planet. They don’t want to have to do it themselves.
The retarded little Swedish sh!t reminds them that their plan may fail and they’ll have to give up the weekend car.
When an ignorant little turd gobs of about something she is completely ignorant about…. knowing that demographic privilege BOTH elevated her beyond to a platform beyond her merit, and will protect her from accountability …..
I’m guessing it’s not your workmates prospects of have a diminishing lifestyle that grates them
Turd boy
Look at all the self-interested old dogs in this thread. Must be threatening seeing a politically active younger generation? How long will they ignore millions of younger people marching in protest? How long before those young people are no longer young, but are angry adults that have been politically, socially and economically frustrated their whole life?
I foresee a future in which the current economic malaise is treated via the younger generation throwing all the senile degenerates under the bus. Having been on the receiving end of years of the type of vitriol exemplified above, I suspect their anger will strip them of empathy when it comes to the fate of said older generation (just deserts, they had their chance etc).
Right, that’s why you’re here railing against that same generation coming out in their millions.
Reality doesn’t give a toss about your malformed world views.
Crikey, you love making sh!t up and presenting it as fact lol.
I won’t threaten you with reality anymore. I can see you’re struggling with these upstart whipper snappers setting fire to your paper stereotypes. Don’t worry though, at least you’re representing your stereotype with some gusto 😉
I know its been so long since we saw a politician or world figure took a stand so strongly for what they believe in. But that is no reason to denigrate her or what she is trying to do. Statements like She should just stay home and focus on smaller issues…
It says a lot that a young girl, with major challenges can get up of her A##e and decide to take on the biggest challenge she can see in front of her and get herself heard so strongly. I dont care what help she has had to do so you cant argue with her passion and commitment to her cause. What do you feel so passionately about ?
Haha, except your singular contribution to the debate is to disregard an entire generation’s argument based on your own prejudice. Nay, not even disregard their argument at face value, but their right to have an argument in the first place. Classic!
Insightful comments, and I have thought similarly for a while.
Chase, mate, your ad hominem attacks aren’t as good as you think they are…
Further, more and more of the youngins they’re on their phones rallying each other around the very issues we are discussing – they are getting pissed off, slowly, but more and more – don’t underestimate them.
As they see it, they have a right to be pissed on so many levels…..
Part of what I enjoy doing is telling young people how they are getting screwed, and encouraging them to do more about it! (I’m a naughty boy!)
*They’re
Are you a first generation lifetime incel? Is that why you’re so bitter and jaded?
@Chase
If I didn’t know better, I’d say you are a parody account
Your comeback would have more sting if it was coming from someone who hadn’t just finished spamming this thread with +50 comments worth of verbal diarrhea.
Yup – they’d best get very angry now, because when they’re adults they’ll be way too busy chasing their tail paying for Green Energy, paying off environmentally friendly houses, paying more in every green tax imaginable, all of which they’ll have accepted and argued for as good and proper.
They will be far too economically dis-empowered from the combination of green taxes they’ve accepted without concurrently demanding reductions in immigration that would otherwise enable the higher disposable incomes that would have paid for these sacrifices.
Yeah, stupid greenie kids. Just imagine them if they get the change they want, paying for that green energy that’s… already becoming cheaper than coal? Not paying hundreds of billions per year in direct and indirect subsidies to fossil fuel companies? Still having a decent amount of land able to support agriculture? Not having hundreds of thousands of people (worldwide) prematurely dying every year from pollution from fossil fuels?
Sounds like some kind of hellish nightmare, that’s for sure.
Sorry…cheeky, and couldn’t resist it. I know there was nothing in it from your side – I still find “their”s instead of “there” in my engineering reports to clients…embarrassing!
” How long before those young people are no longer young, but are angry adults that have been politically, socially and economically frustrated their whole life?”
A good dose of debt will shut them up. They’ll be far too busy working like slaves to worry about anything else.
Debt is absolutely necessary now in order to buy the things you need. Standard incomes will no longer suffice. Standard incomes are only barely enough to service the debt.
These kids will “grow up” and get them some debt because they will all need the basic things humans need, like property, like energy, like food. All of that requires debt.
That’s my generation. If these youngens continue on the path they’re going, I’d say they’ll make the Occupy Movement look like a kumbaya love in. They’ll have the benefit of peak debt/monetary policy exhaustion by way of catalyst.
Possibly. There is a lot of debt though.
+1 My sentiments exactly – my above post was redundant.
This is the essence of it. The only adults preaching these days about all these big picture ’emergencies’ are billionaires and those otherwise untroubled by financial considerations. Those people living in the real world, meanwhile, are grinding away trying to put food on the table and service debts.
I say to all the Al Gores and George Soros’s of the world: go and die in a hole. Right now.
Turd boy
voice in wilderness
Respect to Gretha. But I don’t think we can stop climate change. The time for that was 30 years ago. Desperate times call for desperate measures (measures that actually have half a chance of being done). With that proviso, I think we need to find abundant, cheap, inexhaustable energy to throw at the problem. I don’t care where it comes from (but nuclear and renewables are the obvious candidates) but enough energy to power huge projects in the next 50 years is just about our only chance
That’s where I’m at as well – too many feedback loops kicked off. The permafrost is going – great dying V2 on the way.
If you want to talk drastic measures – maybe feed the boomers into some kind of massive biofuel project. That’ll get rid of most of the anti-science resistance to climate change. Plus solve most of the economic problems in the world, cut down on racism, undercut right wing fringe political movements, decelerate inter-generational inequality, destroy the fox news audience base and free up a disproportionate amount of housing stock in most developed western countries. At least they’d go out on a high.
“cut down on racism”
LOL,…sure it will.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/south-africa-scores-held-looting-anti-foreigner-protests-190903064029232.html
I’ve always had that exact view. It’s waaaaay too late to do anything meaningful now and the political foot-dragging won’t improve.
Those worrying about it now are wasting their time. Have fun, enjoy yourself and see what transpires. You never know, it may all be nonsense anyway.
“I fear that Ms Thunberg will need an AK-47 to do it”
Yeah, except we’ve all been disarmed….. and the second amendment points to the reasons of gun ownership for reasons such as this. A constitutional right to have the means to overturn government by force if necessary.
Rusty, mate, I actually agree with you. As insane as the US gun situation is, I can still grasp the underlying philosophy that a populace should retain the ability to overthrow its government by force if that government ceases to act in the best interests of the people. But the cost is high in the USA. I don’t know if that’s because people everywhere are intrinsically unstable, violent fvckers who need to be disarmed and subdued, or if the USA has other social problems that make it’s people lean towards quick, violent solutions.
But the history of the world is full of examples of suppressed populaces who did not have the means to say “enough” to bad governments.
Looking at you, Scotty
There is a massive correlation between instances of gun violence and other unmentionable factors.
Firstly, most gun violence occurs in 7 cities in the US, well known for their vibrancy and diversity. Outside of these cities, the US has a lower rate of gun crime than places like Canada, UK and Australia.
Secondly, 31 of the last 32 mass shootings occurred by males raised in single-mother households, clearly a result of toxic femininity.
When we come to release feminism is a toxic influence on a healthy society, and that diversity is our weakness, we will likely correct these occurrences.
Whoa…
So you’re saying that feminism and single mothers are to blame for American gun deaths? I wasn’t sure because your comments, in particular the last sentence, were particularly badly written and incomprehensible.
It’s best to never let facts get in the way of an agenda
In Australia if you don’t have a farm (let’s say as little as 10 acres as I do), or have a genuine reason (permission to shoot on a friends farm), you can join the SSAA and acquire – assuming you pass the other checks – and get yourself, for example, a range of long arms including rim and centre fire . I would not consider that disarmed would you?
I am going through the process.
Without it being extremely onerous and costly, I can get myself a rimfire 22 with 5 in the mag. Nothing more.
My armament is ineffectual, so yes I am disarmed for the purposes of confronting government,
“Global children condemn climate failure”
Local children, on the other hand, embrace coal.
If you keep the heel on them like that, one day they will break your leg 😉
Ad hominem makes you look petty and threatened
Dude, I am so below you…and now I’ve only done a first year critical reasoning course! You know me so well.
I am but a shadow below your towering intellect 😉 You knew me before I spoke – I am “that” type
I am crushed…the weight of character arguments substituting for actual reasons is too much.
And, finally, an apology from me: sorry for trolling you. Truly. It rarely does anything for anyone.
You successfully pushed one of my buttons by attacking the characters of young people.
I keep telling myself I won’t, and then I do, and then do again. I will try to show more restraint in future.
Regards.
@Burb. +1 well said
Lively thread this one, isn’t it
Turd boy
Her handlers are exactly the people you would expect: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/surprise-the-official-escort-for-16-year-old-global-warming-expert-greta-thunberg-is-a-leftist-hack-funded-by-george-soros/
Are you Andrew Bolt ?
He may simply be Mr
I think you mean Jordan Peterson.
NZ has done studies that show if electricity generation moved to 100% renewables, the cost of electricity will triple (and we already have one of the highest cost electricity prices in the world thanks to already being 75% renewable). So kids like Greta dont understand that they are advocating for a world where only the rich will be able to afford electricity. I’m not sure what they expect the poor people to do – no winter heating for them, no electric cars, no hot water. Cant cut down trees for a fire either – thats eco-vandalism. Maybe they think there is some magic fuel technology fairy that will appear that will replace oil, gas and coal for zero cost?
The cost of no action outweighs that 300% by so much it’s not even funny. Your logic is… not good.
Tax may fix that
If housing was a 1/3 of the current cost I’d gladly pay more for electricity. In fact I’d install a massive array of solar on the roof as soon as I moved in with a battery for storage. I’d have the money left over to do it too.
Cool story bro
Fark
So continue on anyway and fk the joint anyway
Just fking brainless
However Karen is right, Greta had to sail on a million dollar yacht to save carbon despite the yacht being an obscene carbon monstrosity only for the wealthy, poor people travel in planes
That doesn’t make any sense, NZ is at 75% on hydro and some geothermal, it could easily do the other 25% with low cost wind and a component of hydro being pumped storage. Shows how completely silly the study was.
NZ has done studies that show if electricity generation moved to 100% renewables […]
Where ?
Actually, correcting that. A US study showed moving to 100% solar would triple the cost of electricity. Which would probably bring them into line with Australia/NZ stupidly high electricity prices, considering they only pay 9c a kWh over there. NZ moving to 100% renewables would increase prices by 14% for retail, 39% for industrial users. We are already being screwed over on electricity prices, how much more do you want to be screwed?
Actually, correcting that. A US study showed moving to 100% solar would triple the cost of electricity.
Where ?
Yes, all very admirable.
Good luck with changing the entire global financial system…
why? you ask?
Pretty much all activity on the planet is performed now to obtain and repay debt. Debt is a fine motivator. Quite possibly the best.
Once we latch onto a good way to obtain and repay debt, like generating electricity from coal, or cutting down trees, or farming cattle for food, or, in my case, designing and building innovative machinery to harvest said cows, it all becomes a bit risky to change it… what if we can’t obtain as much necessary debt? What is we can’t repay the debt we have? Its all a big risk.
So to change the way we do things, the electricity, the manufacturing, the fossil fuels, etc, etc, we will need some debt security first.
We will also all need a bit of land to put our humpies on, and our veggie patches, and our solar panels and our yak hair rugs… wait… land.. hmmm… well that’s the problem. Land is very, very expensive and it almost certainly requires an insane amount of debt to buy. Debt needs secure income, and secure income is obtained by the things we know, like drilling for oil and burning coal, and growing and harvesting cows.
Perhaps these UN nations should say to the people and the banks, “Fear not, people, fear not, banks. Here is some land, people, and here is your debt plus interest, banks. Now go forth and live sustainably and grow veggies in your dirt that you own with a small carbon footprint.”
And that will never happen, ever. So its BAU, in 99% of cases, to obtain the debt, and then repay it.
OK, Climate Kids, Go On Strike, But Not Till You’ve Done This Quiz:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/20/ok-climate-kids-go-on-strike-but-not-till-youve-done-this-quiz/
Free Greta Thunberg From Her Cruel Political Exploitation By Leftists
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/09/12/free-greta-thunberg-from-her-cruel-political-exploitation-by-leftists-n2552849
+1 child abuse.
When I want an explanation for a decrease in global temperatures as CO2 increased after WW2 I’ll be sure to ask a 16 yo.
“When I want an explanation for a decrease in global temperatures as CO2 increased after WW2 I’ll be sure to ask a 16 yo
Or maybe even the causes of WWII itself ?!?
Have you missed the part where she tells people not to listen to her, but to the vast majority of experts ?
I missed it, I liked her rant but didn’t realise it was all a stunt, oh well
Experts like these?
Looks what’s happened to the primary data over time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Vt2XnxetU
https://www.desmogblog.com/steven-goddard
https://skepticalscience.com/resources.php?a=links&arg=181
I thought Steve Goddard gave a good talk and the changes in the data were remarkable.
Thank you for the links, I can see that shots have been fired on both sides and I shall go through at least some of them.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+rise+and+fall+of+the+carbon+dioxide+theory+of+climate+change&view=detail&mid=B1EF079AFBC4947311D3B1EF079AFBC4947311D3&FORM=VIRE
Yes,… “The experts”.
Makes me think of the Mencken Quote in Fitzies YouTube post,
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it.”
People are not interested in facts – you should know that by now.
Oh come on. Please.
That’s no child prophet. And in the spirit that ,’There can only be one,’ in NZ we have gone one better – our PM has a baby, and as soon as it says its first words, which will be, ‘How Dare You, You have ruined my life,’ etc. we as mature rational adults will all bow down in adulteration, sure in the knowledge that the utterance of a child is scientific verification of any ideology other adults told them to say.
On a more serious note, I don’t even need to know the argument to know that when their spokesperson is a child, the ideology behind it will be seriously suspect.
She cries over climate change but no one mentions the fact that Japan will likely release thousands of gallons of radioactive water into the pacific, on top of the constant leaks that have persisted for years now. Isnt that also harming the planet too and our livelihood?
Come on she can’t be over everything
This radio active release into the Pacific means it time for the wife to stop making her tuna casserole.
Thank Christ for that!
How good is it when the wife produces the aroma of radioactive tuna!
There have been plenty of research that questions the anthropogenic causes of climate change. Below is the latest. The same result has been obtained by the University of Kobe. You can watch one of the youtube videos of prof. Tim Ball for a synopsis of doubtful results that have been behind the climate emergency claims. There have been many climate emergencies in the past even before human existence. Climate change is mainly about politics and power.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf
Thank you for recommending Tim Ball. I have found the videos most illuminating. I have only just recently explored the “consensus” surrounding this issue. I find that the attempt to cut down an examination of the issues is extremely disconcerting and most unscientific.
see the reference to the Telegraph article above.
I find that the attempt to cut down an examination of the issues is extremely disconcerting and most unscientific.
Dismissing rehashes of frequently decades-old and long-refuted “arguments” is none of these things.
Smithy a scientist who fakes the basic data or who will not produce the data that he uses is no scientist at all.
Just like the people in the article referenced at the top of this thread you mean ?
I have only just read the telegraph article above.
https://skepticalscience.com/fake-scandal-Climategate.html
Again, rehashing stuff long since resolved.
Exxon Mobil and the other oil companies have internal documentation demonstrating that they identified the issue, validated the science and accepted the role of CO2 emissions in heat capture in the 70s and 80s. Instead of taking steps to reduce these and impact their core business they invested in manufacturing doubt.
You are not only arguing against pretty much every scientific institution on the planet – but the scientific conclusions of the oil and coal industry itself.
https://awards.journalists.org/entries/exxon-road-not-taken/
+1.
That’s exactly what happened with the global warming due to CO2 emission hypothesis
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html
Huh? What does that front photo have anything to do with CO2 emissions?
https://davidappell.blogspot.com/2019/07/that-kauppinen-and-malmi-paper-is-junk.html
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/this-paper-has-climate-change-deniers-very-excited-theres-just-one-tiny-problem/
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/clouds-and-climate-change/
https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/non-peer-reviewed-manuscript-falsely-claims-natural-cloud-changes-can-explain-global-warming/
https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php?p=3&t=105&&a=8
The climate is changing, but by nowhere near the hysteric claims of the climate activists. Just like back in the 1990’s the IPCC claimed that there would be a warming of 4 degrees of the planet over the next 30 years, and it turned out to be just 0.6 degrees. So while I am all for moving to green technology, I don’t believe we have to do it today or face extinction in 12 years like some shills are claiming. In fact, the more hysterical these claims, the more I tune them out. Its like the hysteria of Y2K, the Salem witch trials, and the 90’s childcare centre sex abuse cases – humans just love a big moral panic. I believe that 30 years from now we’ll look back on this rubbish and go “boy, did we over react or what?”
Coal and coke getting smashed today. Is this a coincidence?
How good is smashing some coke!
She’ll go far that kid. Wouldn’t surprise me if she ends up CEO of Rio Tinto.
Wow. This is getting depressing. I suddenly realise there are a lot of jerks reading MB. Those regulars who are not jerks will already know to what I refer within a few dozen comments above
Arthur I usually never read any MB climate thread comments. Too much crazy angry.
Never sure which side that refers to.
Does it matter? It’s the tone of the debate I find the most tiresome. No one is changing anyone’s mind and any interested neutral is alienated very quickly. Ugh.
It’s an emotional argument.
Imagine getting so emotionally invested in a subject, you get your child to come into the room and argue your points for you.
Imagine getting so emotionally invested in a subject, that your only response was the character assassination of a child.
Comment of the thread Arrow2!
Arthur, I’ve edited the thing hard too! It;s actually only a few but they are loud!
Ffs! All this handwringing and cat scratching! Forget about the greenhouse gas thingo for a moment and consider what you as an individual can do to mitigate the drying out of the Australian landscape. Just plant more trees. And get your local council to plant more trees in the streetscape. Not gum trees that need to be hacked back every few years, but trees like lillypillies, coastal hibiscus, plum pines, tuckeroos etc etc. Filling the urban streetscape with small shade trees is eminently doable, if we have the will. Trees promote retention of water and humidity in the landscape, cool their surroundings and if planted in sufficient numbers can favourably influence rainfall. And get a deputation together and lobby your local MP about the need for farmers to be funded to repair their degraded farmlands by planting billions of trees and restoring floodplains and wetlands. Better for all of us than harebrained schemes like diverting rivers inland. Blablabla.
Agree 100%. On the topic of trees, specifically lilly pillies, my old man has 120 seedlings on the go. He’s waiting til they get established and then he’ll sell them. He’s convinced he’ll get $200 a tree.
Same here. Several hundred on the go. Easy to propagate from seed. Don’t know about $200/tree though 🙂
I to support the planting of trees.
Their roots provide a substantial portion of my income!
How good is getting income from roots!
More power to you EP. Anything that adds to per capita GDP is a good thing. Mr Frydenburg would be the first to agree I’m sure.
Agree+
what does it matter? i thought renewables were getting so good that we were all gonna run everything on solar and wind anyway and coal was a dodo and blah blah blah
so what’s the issue? why are we still using all these fossil fuels if apparently they’re so defunct? is it bc the renewable cornucopians are full of sh1t?
Sunk costs, Staggy.
Renewables are cheaper than a new coal plant if you’re starting from scratch.
But if you have already built a coal plant, coal mine, railways etc, then it’s still cheaper to keep using it than to build something new (until it gets too old).
i dont believe theyre cheaper. there’s stuff they’re not accounting for like storage/intermittency and much they’re not telling us.
Well, I’m going off Damien Klassen’s occasional posts which seem pretty comprehensive.
I’m also conscious there’s a reason big investment funds aren’t that interested in new coal. Hard to turn a profit long term.
Worth considering.
New info on renewables+storage costs in this one today stags: https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/09/bravo-mike-cannon-brookes/
Renewables already cheaper in a lot of applications. The issue is that there’s a bunch of folks (and corporations) that own the world’s fossil fuels. They know they’re holding the bag, these assets are gonna be worth four fifths of f&#kall in the inevitable decarbonisation. So, your gonna do whatever you have to do to extend the tradable value of said useless assets.
Including convincing the plebs that fossil fuels awesome:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tobacco-and-oil-industries-used-same-researchers-to-sway-public1/
Turd boy
Greta et al seem to focus on the supply side (make energy greener governments!) rather then demand (everyday people consuming less energy).
Yes. The girl who takes trains everywhere and got in a boat to cross the Atlantic clearly hasn’t put a thought towards the demand side.
I hate my fellow human’s sometimes…
Yeah that chick sucks!
Mmm,…Im not sure we would be saving the environment if we were to build the Hundreds of thousands of ocean going sailing boats, just like the one in question, owned by Pierre Casiraghi (the grandson of Monaco’s late Prince Ranier and actress Grace Kelly),to replace air travel.
Fking Gimmick.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9739595/greta-thunbergs-carbon-free-yacht-trip-flights/
The faint whistling noise is the point sailing over your head.
But well done on propagating Uncle Rupert’s distraction politics like a good little culture warrior.
What about all those wealthy oligarch’s who have private jets that carry only a couple of passengers and burn loads of fuel to do so? The problem is we don’t put a price on this activity (carbon) and therefore there is no incentive to promote activities that reduce it. I cycle to work daily, if everyone did the same we’d drastically reduce our carbon footprint, if we all ate less meat we’d do the same. We don’t have to completely change, but we can reduce reduce reduce..
Yes Gavin, thinking of the google funded 140 private jets followed by helicopter to the Google Climate Change Festival a month or so ago. Prince Harry the Dim gave a barefoot speech. Clearly they don’t believe that jet fuel carbon dioxide is an issue. And any thinking on climate change aka global warming requiring informational input, best done with a duckduckgo search, He has zero vested interest in blocking information.
lol ermo I didn’t realise how much of a stunt this all was, going to backfire for sure
Yeah Ermo – know your place!
You working class riff-raff are such and an impediment to our progressive socialist utopia, what with your weak unthinking minds being so easily mind controlled by Uncle Rupert.
It’s not like someone could hold the same view as Rupert on a particular mater, for any number of different reasons, all of which are completely unconnected to Rupert’s particular motives for supporting a course of action…. if you agree with Rupert with anything then you are evil incarnate.
God forbid that you may have an opinion, or even worse – disagree with the Professor.
All the self awareness of a Jellyfish.
You working class riff-raff […]
LOL. Ermo probably makes more than I do. Probably better read as well.
It’s not like someone could hold the same view as Rupert on a particular mater, for any number of different reasons, all of which are completely unconnected to Rupert’s particular motives for supporting a course of action…. if you agree with Rupert with anything then you are evil incarnate.
Punish the straw man. Punish him !
On the first point,
I don’t earn a shyte load of money.
But on the second point,
I’m am an avid reader of Robert G Barret Les Norton novels.
Does that count as well read?
Whatever you say Professor Jellyfish.
I care about the climate, when I actually can. Most of the time I’m too busy with the realities of avoiding homelessness as I battle for limited jobs against newly minted Australians. It may be irrational, but I can’t stand this chick and her annoying (but genuine) ranting.
I enjoyed this take on it:
https://nypost.com/2019/09/23/greta-thunberg-has-nothing-to-say-except-what-adults-have-taught-her/
“Kids have nothing to say except what adults have told them” says man who has nothing to say that someone else hasn’t told him.
The unwitting self-referential irony of drsmithy is delicious.
lol
You really shouldn’t play with words you don’t understand.
Yeah Olaf – leave the thinking to the Professor, he is so much smarter and more decent sitting on his little hill of morals than everyone else.
mB climate articles are always good to take my mind off the unremitting misery of barracking for the Melbourne football club
Either that or mbs wacky diet articles
The Real Greta?,
https://youtu.be/IuhHI5AFOeg
Alert the public of dangers by all means. But first make sure that the dangers are real.