Global children condemn climate failure

Via the ABC:

Teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg has captured the world’s attention in a fierce and passionate speech at the United Nations headquarters, accusing world leaders of failing to act on climate change.

The UN event was aimed at mobilising government and business to break international paralysis over carbon emissions, which hit record highs last year despite decades of warnings from scientists.

“This is all wrong. I shouldn’t be up here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean, yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you,” said the 16-year-old, her voice trembling with anger at times.

“We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth.”

Ms Thunberg told the UN that even the strictest emission cuts being talked about only gave the world a 50 per cent chance of limiting future warming to another 0.4 degrees Celsius from the current level, which would meet the global goal of 1.5C — the benchmark temperature rise laid out by the 2015 Paris Agreement that will limit the impact of warming on world weather systems.

Those odds were not good enough, she said.

More than 50 global leaders — with the exception of Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and US President Donald Trump — were set to take part in the summit by announcing climate finance measures and transitioning from coal power.

Mr Trump dropped in briefly and listened to one of the speakers. Ms Thunberg stared down the US President when the two crossed paths.

Leaders were only permitted to speak at the event if they could offer up new climate action plans.

Inspired by Ms Thunberg’s solitary weekly protest outside the Swedish Parliament a year ago, millions of young people poured onto the streets around the globe last Friday to demand governments attending the summit take emergency action.

After her speech, Ms Thunberg and 15 other young climate activists filed a complaint with the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child alleging that world leaders’ inaction on the climate crisis had violated children’s rights.

The petitioners, who range in age from eight to 17 and hail from 12 different countries, teared up as they presented their complaint at the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) headquarters and gave personal accounts of how their lives and homes have been upended by climate change because of politicians’ inaction.

The complaint accuses the respondent countries — Argentina, Brazil, France, Germany and Turkey — of knowing about the impact of their carbon emissions on the climate and doing nothing to mitigate it.

The respondents are a few of the biggest carbon emitters out of the 45 countries that have signed a protocol allowing children to seek redress under the 1989 Convention of the Rights of the Child, a treaty that declared the unassailable civil, economic, social, political and cultural rights of children.

Other major carbon emitters such as the US and China have not signed the protocol.

Global warming caused by heat-trapping greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels has already led to droughts and heatwaves, melting glaciers, and rising sea levels and floods, and scientists say the crisis has intensified since world leaders signed the 2015 Paris Agreement to combat climate change.

A new report from the World Meteorological Organisation released ahead of the conference warned the world was falling far behind in the race to avert a climate disaster.

The last five years have been the hottest on record, the report said, with ice sheets melting and sea levels rising at an unprecedented rate.

“I was very struck by the emotion in the room when some of the young people spoke earlier,” French President Emmanuel Macron told the summit.

A cohort of leaders from the Pacific, which has borne the brunt of the climate impacts such as extreme weather in recent years, also warned the summit that enough was not being done to stave off climate change, calling it a “living nightmare”.

“I think that no political decisionmaker can remain deaf to this call for justice between generations.”

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, who organised the one-day event, had warned leaders only to turn up if they came armed with concrete action plans, not empty speeches.

“There is a cost to everything. But the biggest cost is doing nothing. The biggest cost is subsidising a dying fossil fuel industry, building more and more coal plants, and denying what is plain as day: that we are in a deep climate hole, and to get out we must first stop digging,” he said.

Nevertheless, there were few new proposals from governments for the kind of rapid change climate scientists say is now needed to avert devastating impacts from warming.

The summit has, by contrast, been marked by a flurry of pledges from business, pension funds, insurers and banks to do more.

“There will not be any solutions or plans presented in line with these figures here today because these numbers are too uncomfortable and you are still not mature enough to tell it like it is,” Ms Thunberg said.

“The eyes of all future generations are upon you, and if you choose to fail us, I say we will never forgive you.”

Nor should you. It is my fervent wish that children rise up and overthrow today’s utterly corrupt system. They should replace it with a recognisably green, liberal market economy that sees houses as a need not asset, stops the tax rorts of their forebears, and enables meritocratic and creative lives expressed through freedom.

As a weary and plodding climate warrior myself, I fear that Ms Thunberg will need an AK-47 to do it.

David Llewellyn-Smith
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Comments

  1. Yes, but for a moment, and perhaps as a start, many belonging to the crapulent moneyed class felt some slimy brown squirt from their backside as this young lady spoke yesterday.

    No matter how improbable change may seem. Nothing lasts forever. And they know it.

    • Greta came to the USA by sailing boat.
      she went to London from Scandinavia by train.
      she walks her talk.

    • They count on people for their climate change agenda, which is just a front for a socialist takeover of society. They clearly ignore all the articles that show there is MORE ice — not less.

      There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of human-induced climate change. The climate has ALWAYS moved cyclically and changed. It has NEVER remained the same even from one decade to the next.

      https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/weather-was-also-extremely-volatile-during-30s/

      • Narapoia451MEMBER

        You do realise how ridiculous you sound right? ‘No evidence’?
        So pretty much every single scientific institution on the planet as well as the major fossil fuel companies has somehow looked at the all the information available and somehow got it wrong – or is part of the single most complete, and utterly baroque conspiracy theory in history?

        Yes there is natural variation in the climate. What we are seeing is not natural based on the consensus of those actually looking at the evidence – that’s the whole point.

    • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

      Joan of Arc and the madness of crowds can be easily understood by watching the circus carry on with her. When the mob turns she’ll probably be the one burned at the stake.

      As I’ve said previously, we either have a CLIMATE EMERGENCY in which case we should be doing EVERYTHING possible in order to mitigate and reduce the activity that is harming the environment. Which in the West means reducing economic activity and the mass migration that is driving it

      OR

      we have a “climate emergency” that means ordinary people need to accept lower living standards so that our elites can continue minting massive coinage via mass migration – especially by focusing on the demographic sweet spot of importing working age people just as they hit the all important consumption phase of their lives.

      • HadronCollisionMEMBER

        Yeah but nah
        Plenty of people are doing what they can
        Lower power lights, insulation, solar, less water, riding to work, EATING MORE PLANT BASED FOOD ( I mean seriously, eating cows etc? Just dumb )

        • +1 this is why I want a Mudbrick home, low carbon foot print, plus water tanks, solar on roof, I would even try going vegan (and body building while doing it). If i had the space for a garden to grow my own foods. I only ask that I’m allowed to keep my vintage cars, but I see vintage cars as less environmentally damaging than producing more and more each year (just fix existing cars and keep them in good tune) even charge congestion tax to drive in to the city OR have carbon credits (by not eating meat etc.. I’m more than offsetting my use).

          I’m willing to change, but I find it all a bit pointless when nobody else is willing to make those sacrifices and it’s more Business As Usual and my main focus right now is shelter.. You know 1 of the main human needs.. if we can’t solve housing affordability, how on earth does the planet stand a chance?

        • Children are great, involved in massacres against the Jews, Pol Pot used them for his dirty work, Mao exclusively used young for his Cultural Revolution, The Lords Army, etc. etc. and and so on and so on…

          If you want some horror done right, kids are the always the best, especially with AK-47’s!!!!

        • “If you want some horror done right, kids are the always the best”

          The socialist way!

          Wait until we have conscripted enough to the SHY-Jurgen, massacres a plenty.

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        This is exactly the point I keep making – if it were such a real emergency then EVERYTHING needs to be on the table.

        Personally I accept that things need to be done and make an effort to be more environmentally conscious myself. But under the current settings existing Australians, indeed all morally clubbed Westerners, crimp and save and sacrifice in order to reduce Australia’s (West) overall environmental impact, simply to make way for more migrants.

        Environmentalism comes at a cost – using genuine recycable programs (as opposed merely exporting it to 3rd world countries to dump in their rivers) is expensive, that’s why we export our rubbish rather than genuinely recycle it. Paying more for power, paying more for newer more energy efficient saving devices, etc…. all these programs both help the environment and reduce our environmental foot print.

        But then our elites, cheered on by the likes of environmental Joan of Arc’s like Greta, back fill every last environmental saving and more, by importing more and more people, raising them up to Western levels of consumption.

        Effectively existing Australians are accepting a lower quality of life, by way of lower disposable income and higher living costs for these environmentally friendly solutions, for the sake of the environment, while the reality is, they are accepting a lower quality of life in order to accommodate more immigrants…. this is all about the existing population making way so that our elites can continue minting coin from mass migration, especially those immigrants who are approaching the demographic working age sweet spot that results in them being higher consumers. Get all those Aussie geezers, young kids, etc, to curtail their consumption, in order to be able to import high consuming adults who go about setting up their households.

        The higher costs associated with pursuing environmentally friendly policies is a good and right thing to do – BUT it weakens households, we have to work longer and harder, our disposable income is reduced, it becomes harder to challenge the status quo or resist, as we spend our days chasing our tails to stay afloat.

        You can already see where the next line of attack is coming from in regards to Westerns livings standards – the war on Meat consumption is the next obvious target.

        • If it were such an emergency – we would be putting population caps on the developing world and stop sending them aid. It is the number of people that matters – we can ‘get away’ with high emissions per capita as we have such a low capita!! But countries with hundreds of millions of souls need to keep that in check.

          We should cut immigration to zero as a climate emergency measure!

        • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

          especially those immigrants who are approaching the demographic working age sweet spot that results in them being higher consumers. Get all those Aussie geezers, young kids, etc, to curtail their consumption, in order to be able to import high consuming adults who go about setting up their households.

          It is all about getting and maintaining the “right” sort of consumption…. services, used primarily by the young and old are the “wrong” types of consumption.

          The “right” type of consumption is the sort that helps perpetuate the status quo – it is the “right” sort of consumption that results in people shopping at Frank Lowy’s Westfields, that has them buying apartments from Harry Triguboff and stocking their newly built cupboards with lots of merchandise from Harvey Norman.

          THIS is what Corporate environmentalism is all about.

      • I am sure there is a plan in place for a genuine emergency that involves a very rapid reduction of the human population.

        • The Horrible Scott Morrison MP

          Then you’re failing to get contemporary references to clangers dropped by leftist leaders and the latest scientific research. Back to school for you! I think I hear you mum calling you in for dinner, sonny.

  2. Macron: “I think that no political decisionmaker can remain deaf to this call for justice between generations.”

    You just watch us here Australia do just that! We are ‘Quiet Australians’, and we say, “Screw you! I’m alright! Come and take my perks from my cold, dead hands, you Lefty scum!”

    🙁

    My 11-year old son speaks similarly to how Greta does – they are realising basically everyone is too selfish, willful and/or caught up in the here-and-now, to bother changing, and that the vested interests are very strong, and very, very stubborn.

    • All the kids are brainwashed on climate change.

      From the FT last weekend …

      https://www.ft.com/content/8913f7d6-d4ac-11e9-8367-807ebd53ab77

      For those of us who think climate change requires bold, urgent action, there are two awkward facts to contend with. The first is that its most worrying impacts — including floods, crop failures and diseases — are unlikely to manifest at full strength for decades or even centuries. The second is that because the world has been getting dramatically richer, future generations are likely to be much wealthier than we are.

      Both these awkward facts militate against doing anything too expensive in the short term.

      Here’s an analogy: imagine that I discover an incipient damp problem in my house. A surveyor tells me that if I spend £1,000 now, that will spare my great-grandchildren £5,000 of repair works in a century. At first glance it seems that I should fix the damp.

      On reflection, though, spending money now would be foolish. Investing £1,000 in the stock market on their behalf would be better. At a modest 3 per cent real rate of return, it should be worth about £20,000; at 5 per cent it will be worth £130,000.

      In any case, won’t my great-grandchildren be vastly richer than I am, just as I am vastly richer than my great-grandparents? Why worry? They’ll cope.

      • That is silly Philly, at present rates, CO2 and Methane emissions will assure we don’t get to the 3rd generation from here.
        4 Degrees spells the end of agiculture. i.e. the end of civilisaton.We will be there by 2050.

      • China PlateMEMBER

        Oh I don’t know.
        Last time I looked no one was putting away – printed – money for a rainy day

      • Here’s an analogy: imagine that I discover an incipient damp problem in my house. A surveyor tells me that if I spend £1,000 now, that will spare my great-grandchildren £5,000 of repair works in a century. At first glance it seems that I should fix the damp.

        That’s a fantasy.

        This would be a (somewhat) better analogy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_London

        The “worst case” of where this could end up can’t be fixed with money. Which is precisely why economists and anyone with Libertarian leanings should not be allowed anywhere near it. It is a problem that exists outside their frame of reference.

    • The problem is, Burb, most youngsters are full of anger and idealism — right the way through Uni, in fact. Once in the workforce, however, the harsh realities of life intercede (debts, work pressures) and all this idealistic clap-trap is soon tossed in the garbage.

      From there on it’s a matter of survival, nothing else.

  3. “It is my fervent wish that children rise up and overthrow today’s utterly corrupt system. They should replace it with a recognisably green, liberal market economy that sees houses as a need not asset, stops the tax rorts of their forebears, and enables meritocratic and creative lives expressed through freedom.”

    This, too, is similar to what I say to my young son – whilst also letting him know that some are doing what little we can about it.

    • Again, I think you overstate your case, given that you know neither me nor my son. In fact, he’s the sort of person that ends up a world-changer for the better – he is highly intelligent, highly idealistic, a razor sense of justice, an advocate for the weak, marginalised and hopeless, and highly charismatic…yes, he’s just 11, has the philosophical sense of a 40 year old, conducts maths and english years ahead of his age.

      Nor am I your regular thoughtless consumer; even my business and research undertakings are both environmental and productive in nature.

      Further, people “wake up” whenever they “wake up”. We ought to be pragmatically idealist, not naively idealistic, and propose things that won’t actually work, all things considered.

      Further again, when I want to make a comment about how children feel (many are similar in sentiment to my son) then I believe the sort of comment I made is both valid and warranted, and your attempt to invalidate its thrust wasn’t warranted nor successful. If the comment is constructive and useful, let it be so, without picking at it – even if you are partially correct about timing.

      All in all, I choose to push back at your characterisation of me and my son.

      Regards.

        • Yes I’m a not very good troll, given I’m actually getting people to think and justify their decisions or positions.

        • With respect Chase, you are not necessarily being as useful as a troll as you assume…

          Just because you prompt people to respond, and they do so, does not necessarily mean they have not already considered in depth what they think; further, don’t assume that what people say characterises all the depth and detail that they think – it’s just not reasonable, nor efficient, to write all that down, and you would do well not to demand it.

          It’s quite possible your trolling is more for you than it is a service for others, as you imply from “Yes I’m a not very good troll, given I’m actually getting people to think and justify their decisions or positions.”

          Regards.

      • All parents have rose-coloured glasses when it comes to how great or potentially great their offspring is. “They’re going to change the world!” or “they’re going to cure cancer”. It’s all just this generation of parent’s version of ‘indigo children’ – the ones of the 90s and 2000s who were destined to change the world.

        It’s ego that makes you think your child will be different (but history says your child will probably be no different to previous generations, or their peers).

        No one thinks their children will be a mindless marketing coordinator, or human resources advisor or real estate agent – which is more likely.

        I’m sure he’s a nice kid – a deeper thinker – but ultimately, we all get crushed by the grind and end up surprised how we all turn out after having to make our way through adulthood.

        Sad but true.

        Sorry you are now defensive and have to assuage your guilt over bringing a child into this world (apologies, if you made the noble choice of adopting a child, let me know if I’m wrong).

        • I am not being defensive – you assume you are the smartest and most insightful person the room, and I like pointing out that such people are just of full of other assumptions as everyone else. I’m trolling you. The difference is that I am generally fairly aware of my assumptions, but it seems you are less so…?

          Further, yes, he’s a great kid – I’m proud of his character, especially given the many challenges he faces daily (he is severely physically disabled). I don’t assume that he will change the world, just because he has the potential to….you are the one that assumed that my pride meant I was deluded about reality, when the reverse was true…

          Dude…so many assumptions, but so unaware of them, and so head-sure 😉

          Troll tip: less attacking the man, and more attacking the issue at hand

          /end trolling

        • I’ll happily avoid most people’s BBQs where there is lots of children running around (or being fobbed off with tablets or other devices), male posturing, women bitching and looking down on one another’s motherly decisions, whilst all the parents all bitch and moan about how being a parent is the toughest job in the world (as if they had no say in the matter), and then when they all get into drunk form (which they all do), end up sobbing about how hubby or the missus isn’t treating them well and maybe it was a mistake to have children. It’s amazing how honest parents become when they are drunk and find out you’re childless (‘you’re so lucky’, or ‘if I had my time over again’, or “I don’t really like my children.’).

          I’d be happy to not get your invite.

        • “Remind me not to invite you to any BBQs”

          I hope you’re not burning any gas or charcoal for your BBQ’s

        • China PlateMEMBER

          All parents have rose-coloured glasses when it comes to how great or potentially great their offspring is. “They’re going to change the world!”

          Yeah one god damn co2 molecule at a time

      • reusachtigeMEMBER

        Like, no offence, but he sounds like a future shut-in commenting on this blog. Best to tone down his education before it’s too late. Teach him about TV shows and hot chicks. All the best.

  4. About the only thing Australia could do is Jack up the Royalties on our Coal Gas and oil extraction and use the funds to research and develop some Geoengineering options. Humanity is not going to stop emitting carbon. This should be obvious by now.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      Thats a good idea but the Coporate media will immediately attack and shut down any suggestion of increased taxes, wealth redistribution and non market solutions.

      A much less threatening thing to focus on is a George Soros funded and scripted circus, of an emotionally odd Nordic teenager being encouraged to yell at everyone and bewail her privileged existence.
      This whole Greta Thunberg saga is culture Waring BS 101.
      A plutocratic “Mission Accomplished”

  5. How counterproductive. What self-respecting parent is ever ‘woke’ by the self-righteous fury of a child?

    • I hope that after yesterday he realised he is not going to get away with just making statements and sprouting facts without having them critiqued.

      There are enough people making statements that they should be ashamed of on this post to day, he probably doesn’t feel the need to speak up.

      • I hope that after yesterday he realised he is not going to get away with just making statements and sprouting facts without having them critiqued.

        LOL. Sublime.

  6. Mining BoganMEMBER

    I reckon my workmates are angry at the retarded little Swedish sh!t because deep down they understand that their conspicuous consumption lifestyle has to end before it kills us all. They know at sometime we have to give everything up but are hoping they can hold on and the kids can rein back their lifestyle and save the planet. They don’t want to have to do it themselves.

    The retarded little Swedish sh!t reminds them that their plan may fail and they’ll have to give up the weekend car.

    • When an ignorant little turd gobs of about something she is completely ignorant about…. knowing that demographic privilege BOTH elevated her beyond to a platform beyond her merit, and will protect her from accountability …..

      I’m guessing it’s not your workmates prospects of have a diminishing lifestyle that grates them

  7. Look at all the self-interested old dogs in this thread. Must be threatening seeing a politically active younger generation? How long will they ignore millions of younger people marching in protest? How long before those young people are no longer young, but are angry adults that have been politically, socially and economically frustrated their whole life?

    I foresee a future in which the current economic malaise is treated via the younger generation throwing all the senile degenerates under the bus. Having been on the receiving end of years of the type of vitriol exemplified above, I suspect their anger will strip them of empathy when it comes to the fate of said older generation (just deserts, they had their chance etc).

    • Right, that’s why you’re here railing against that same generation coming out in their millions.

      Reality doesn’t give a toss about your malformed world views.

      • Crikey, you love making sh!t up and presenting it as fact lol.

        I won’t threaten you with reality anymore. I can see you’re struggling with these upstart whipper snappers setting fire to your paper stereotypes. Don’t worry though, at least you’re representing your stereotype with some gusto 😉

      • I know its been so long since we saw a politician or world figure took a stand so strongly for what they believe in. But that is no reason to denigrate her or what she is trying to do. Statements like She should just stay home and focus on smaller issues…

        It says a lot that a young girl, with major challenges can get up of her A##e and decide to take on the biggest challenge she can see in front of her and get herself heard so strongly. I dont care what help she has had to do so you cant argue with her passion and commitment to her cause. What do you feel so passionately about ?

      • Haha, except your singular contribution to the debate is to disregard an entire generation’s argument based on your own prejudice. Nay, not even disregard their argument at face value, but their right to have an argument in the first place. Classic!

    • Insightful comments, and I have thought similarly for a while.

      Chase, mate, your ad hominem attacks aren’t as good as you think they are…

      Further, more and more of the youngins they’re on their phones rallying each other around the very issues we are discussing – they are getting pissed off, slowly, but more and more – don’t underestimate them.

      As they see it, they have a right to be pissed on so many levels…..

      Part of what I enjoy doing is telling young people how they are getting screwed, and encouraging them to do more about it! (I’m a naughty boy!)

        • Your comeback would have more sting if it was coming from someone who hadn’t just finished spamming this thread with +50 comments worth of verbal diarrhea.

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        Further, more and more of the youngins they’re on their phones rallying each other around the very issues we are discussing – they are getting pissed off, slowly, but more and more – don’t underestimate them.

        Yup – they’d best get very angry now, because when they’re adults they’ll be way too busy chasing their tail paying for Green Energy, paying off environmentally friendly houses, paying more in every green tax imaginable, all of which they’ll have accepted and argued for as good and proper.

        They will be far too economically dis-empowered from the combination of green taxes they’ve accepted without concurrently demanding reductions in immigration that would otherwise enable the higher disposable incomes that would have paid for these sacrifices.

        • Yeah, stupid greenie kids. Just imagine them if they get the change they want, paying for that green energy that’s… already becoming cheaper than coal? Not paying hundreds of billions per year in direct and indirect subsidies to fossil fuel companies? Still having a decent amount of land able to support agriculture? Not having hundreds of thousands of people (worldwide) prematurely dying every year from pollution from fossil fuels?

          Sounds like some kind of hellish nightmare, that’s for sure.

      • Sorry…cheeky, and couldn’t resist it. I know there was nothing in it from your side – I still find “their”s instead of “there” in my engineering reports to clients…embarrassing!

    • Jumping jack flash

      ” How long before those young people are no longer young, but are angry adults that have been politically, socially and economically frustrated their whole life?”

      A good dose of debt will shut them up. They’ll be far too busy working like slaves to worry about anything else.

      Debt is absolutely necessary now in order to buy the things you need. Standard incomes will no longer suffice. Standard incomes are only barely enough to service the debt.

      These kids will “grow up” and get them some debt because they will all need the basic things humans need, like property, like energy, like food. All of that requires debt.

      • That’s my generation. If these youngens continue on the path they’re going, I’d say they’ll make the Occupy Movement look like a kumbaya love in. They’ll have the benefit of peak debt/monetary policy exhaustion by way of catalyst.

      • This is the essence of it. The only adults preaching these days about all these big picture ’emergencies’ are billionaires and those otherwise untroubled by financial considerations. Those people living in the real world, meanwhile, are grinding away trying to put food on the table and service debts.

        I say to all the Al Gores and George Soros’s of the world: go and die in a hole. Right now.

  8. voice in wilderness
    Respect to Gretha. But I don’t think we can stop climate change. The time for that was 30 years ago. Desperate times call for desperate measures (measures that actually have half a chance of being done). With that proviso, I think we need to find abundant, cheap, inexhaustable energy to throw at the problem. I don’t care where it comes from (but nuclear and renewables are the obvious candidates) but enough energy to power huge projects in the next 50 years is just about our only chance

    • Narapoia451MEMBER

      That’s where I’m at as well – too many feedback loops kicked off. The permafrost is going – great dying V2 on the way.

      If you want to talk drastic measures – maybe feed the boomers into some kind of massive biofuel project. That’ll get rid of most of the anti-science resistance to climate change. Plus solve most of the economic problems in the world, cut down on racism, undercut right wing fringe political movements, decelerate inter-generational inequality, destroy the fox news audience base and free up a disproportionate amount of housing stock in most developed western countries. At least they’d go out on a high.

    • I’ve always had that exact view. It’s waaaaay too late to do anything meaningful now and the political foot-dragging won’t improve.

      Those worrying about it now are wasting their time. Have fun, enjoy yourself and see what transpires. You never know, it may all be nonsense anyway.

  9. “I fear that Ms Thunberg will need an AK-47 to do it”

    Yeah, except we’ve all been disarmed….. and the second amendment points to the reasons of gun ownership for reasons such as this. A constitutional right to have the means to overturn government by force if necessary.

    • Rusty, mate, I actually agree with you. As insane as the US gun situation is, I can still grasp the underlying philosophy that a populace should retain the ability to overthrow its government by force if that government ceases to act in the best interests of the people. But the cost is high in the USA. I don’t know if that’s because people everywhere are intrinsically unstable, violent fvckers who need to be disarmed and subdued, or if the USA has other social problems that make it’s people lean towards quick, violent solutions.
      But the history of the world is full of examples of suppressed populaces who did not have the means to say “enough” to bad governments.
      Looking at you, Scotty

      • There is a massive correlation between instances of gun violence and other unmentionable factors.

        Firstly, most gun violence occurs in 7 cities in the US, well known for their vibrancy and diversity. Outside of these cities, the US has a lower rate of gun crime than places like Canada, UK and Australia.

        Secondly, 31 of the last 32 mass shootings occurred by males raised in single-mother households, clearly a result of toxic femininity.

        When we come to release feminism is a toxic influence on a healthy society, and that diversity is our weakness, we will likely correct these occurrences.

        • So you’re saying that feminism and single mothers are to blame for American gun deaths? I wasn’t sure because your comments, in particular the last sentence, were particularly badly written and incomprehensible.

    • HadronCollisionMEMBER

      It’s best to never let facts get in the way of an agenda

      In Australia if you don’t have a farm (let’s say as little as 10 acres as I do), or have a genuine reason (permission to shoot on a friends farm), you can join the SSAA and acquire – assuming you pass the other checks – and get yourself, for example, a range of long arms including rim and centre fire . I would not consider that disarmed would you?

      • I am going through the process.

        Without it being extremely onerous and costly, I can get myself a rimfire 22 with 5 in the mag. Nothing more.

        My armament is ineffectual, so yes I am disarmed for the purposes of confronting government,

      • Dude, I am so below you…and now I’ve only done a first year critical reasoning course! You know me so well.

        I am but a shadow below your towering intellect 😉 You knew me before I spoke – I am “that” type

        I am crushed…the weight of character arguments substituting for actual reasons is too much.

      • And, finally, an apology from me: sorry for trolling you. Truly. It rarely does anything for anyone.

        You successfully pushed one of my buttons by attacking the characters of young people.

        I keep telling myself I won’t, and then I do, and then do again. I will try to show more restraint in future.

        Regards.

  10. NZ has done studies that show if electricity generation moved to 100% renewables, the cost of electricity will triple (and we already have one of the highest cost electricity prices in the world thanks to already being 75% renewable). So kids like Greta dont understand that they are advocating for a world where only the rich will be able to afford electricity. I’m not sure what they expect the poor people to do – no winter heating for them, no electric cars, no hot water. Cant cut down trees for a fire either – thats eco-vandalism. Maybe they think there is some magic fuel technology fairy that will appear that will replace oil, gas and coal for zero cost?

    • Narapoia451MEMBER

      The cost of no action outweighs that 300% by so much it’s not even funny. Your logic is… not good.

    • If housing was a 1/3 of the current cost I’d gladly pay more for electricity. In fact I’d install a massive array of solar on the roof as soon as I moved in with a battery for storage. I’d have the money left over to do it too.

      • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

        However Karen is right, Greta had to sail on a million dollar yacht to save carbon despite the yacht being an obscene carbon monstrosity only for the wealthy, poor people travel in planes

    • That doesn’t make any sense, NZ is at 75% on hydro and some geothermal, it could easily do the other 25% with low cost wind and a component of hydro being pumped storage. Shows how completely silly the study was.

    • Actually, correcting that. A US study showed moving to 100% solar would triple the cost of electricity. Which would probably bring them into line with Australia/NZ stupidly high electricity prices, considering they only pay 9c a kWh over there. NZ moving to 100% renewables would increase prices by 14% for retail, 39% for industrial users. We are already being screwed over on electricity prices, how much more do you want to be screwed?

      • Actually, correcting that. A US study showed moving to 100% solar would triple the cost of electricity.

        Where ?

  11. Jumping jack flash

    Yes, all very admirable.
    Good luck with changing the entire global financial system…

    why? you ask?

    Pretty much all activity on the planet is performed now to obtain and repay debt. Debt is a fine motivator. Quite possibly the best.

    Once we latch onto a good way to obtain and repay debt, like generating electricity from coal, or cutting down trees, or farming cattle for food, or, in my case, designing and building innovative machinery to harvest said cows, it all becomes a bit risky to change it… what if we can’t obtain as much necessary debt? What is we can’t repay the debt we have? Its all a big risk.

    So to change the way we do things, the electricity, the manufacturing, the fossil fuels, etc, etc, we will need some debt security first.

    We will also all need a bit of land to put our humpies on, and our veggie patches, and our solar panels and our yak hair rugs… wait… land.. hmmm… well that’s the problem. Land is very, very expensive and it almost certainly requires an insane amount of debt to buy. Debt needs secure income, and secure income is obtained by the things we know, like drilling for oil and burning coal, and growing and harvesting cows.

    Perhaps these UN nations should say to the people and the banks, “Fear not, people, fear not, banks. Here is some land, people, and here is your debt plus interest, banks. Now go forth and live sustainably and grow veggies in your dirt that you own with a small carbon footprint.”

    And that will never happen, ever. So its BAU, in 99% of cases, to obtain the debt, and then repay it.

  12. She cries over climate change but no one mentions the fact that Japan will likely release thousands of gallons of radioactive water into the pacific, on top of the constant leaks that have persisted for years now. Isnt that also harming the planet too and our livelihood?

  13. There have been plenty of research that questions the anthropogenic causes of climate change. Below is the latest. The same result has been obtained by the University of Kobe. You can watch one of the youtube videos of prof. Tim Ball for a synopsis of doubtful results that have been behind the climate emergency claims. There have been many climate emergencies in the past even before human existence. Climate change is mainly about politics and power.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf

  14. Wow. This is getting depressing. I suddenly realise there are a lot of jerks reading MB. Those regulars who are not jerks will already know to what I refer within a few dozen comments above

  15. Jevons ghostMEMBER

    Ffs! All this handwringing and cat scratching! Forget about the greenhouse gas thingo for a moment and consider what you as an individual can do to mitigate the drying out of the Australian landscape. Just plant more trees. And get your local council to plant more trees in the streetscape. Not gum trees that need to be hacked back every few years, but trees like lillypillies, coastal hibiscus, plum pines, tuckeroos etc etc. Filling the urban streetscape with small shade trees is eminently doable, if we have the will. Trees promote retention of water and humidity in the landscape, cool their surroundings and if planted in sufficient numbers can favourably influence rainfall. And get a deputation together and lobby your local MP about the need for farmers to be funded to repair their degraded farmlands by planting billions of trees and restoring floodplains and wetlands. Better for all of us than harebrained schemes like diverting rivers inland. Blablabla.

  16. what does it matter? i thought renewables were getting so good that we were all gonna run everything on solar and wind anyway and coal was a dodo and blah blah blah

    so what’s the issue? why are we still using all these fossil fuels if apparently they’re so defunct? is it bc the renewable cornucopians are full of sh1t?

  17. Greta et al seem to focus on the supply side (make energy greener governments!) rather then demand (everyday people consuming less energy).

    Yes. The girl who takes trains everywhere and got in a boat to cross the Atlantic clearly hasn’t put a thought towards the demand side.

      • The faint whistling noise is the point sailing over your head.

        But well done on propagating Uncle Rupert’s distraction politics like a good little culture warrior.

      • What about all those wealthy oligarch’s who have private jets that carry only a couple of passengers and burn loads of fuel to do so? The problem is we don’t put a price on this activity (carbon) and therefore there is no incentive to promote activities that reduce it. I cycle to work daily, if everyone did the same we’d drastically reduce our carbon footprint, if we all ate less meat we’d do the same. We don’t have to completely change, but we can reduce reduce reduce..

        • Yes Gavin, thinking of the google funded 140 private jets followed by helicopter to the Google Climate Change Festival a month or so ago. Prince Harry the Dim gave a barefoot speech. Clearly they don’t believe that jet fuel carbon dioxide is an issue. And any thinking on climate change aka global warming requiring informational input, best done with a duckduckgo search, He has zero vested interest in blocking information.

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        The faint whistling noise is the point sailing over your head.

        But well done on propagating Uncle Rupert’s distraction politics like a good little culture warrior.

        Yeah Ermo – know your place!

        You working class riff-raff are such and an impediment to our progressive socialist utopia, what with your weak unthinking minds being so easily mind controlled by Uncle Rupert.

        It’s not like someone could hold the same view as Rupert on a particular mater, for any number of different reasons, all of which are completely unconnected to Rupert’s particular motives for supporting a course of action…. if you agree with Rupert with anything then you are evil incarnate.

        God forbid that you may have an opinion, or even worse – disagree with the Professor.

        “Kids have nothing to say except what adults have told them” says man who has nothing to say that someone else hasn’t told him.

        – DrSmithy

        All the self awareness of a Jellyfish.

        • You working class riff-raff […]

          LOL. Ermo probably makes more than I do. Probably better read as well.

          It’s not like someone could hold the same view as Rupert on a particular mater, for any number of different reasons, all of which are completely unconnected to Rupert’s particular motives for supporting a course of action…. if you agree with Rupert with anything then you are evil incarnate.

          Punish the straw man. Punish him !

          • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

            On the first point,
            I don’t earn a shyte load of money.
            But on the second point,
            I’m am an avid reader of Robert G Barret Les Norton novels.
            Does that count as well read?

  18. HadronCollisionMEMBER

    mB climate articles are always good to take my mind off the unremitting misery of barracking for the Melbourne football club

    Either that or mbs wacky diet articles