Time to slash immigration in the national interest

What is a democracy to do with a protest movement against itself? The Fake Left Saturday Paper sums up the problem:

In Clive Hamilton’s view, these are serious matters. “Events like these give pause to the public that is not formerly focused on the issue of CCP influence to say, ‘What the hell is going on?’ ” says Hamilton. “If you have a bunch of angry students who appear to be representing a dictatorial regime on one of our campuses, that fires people up, in a way that events in the South China Sea might not.”

Others see it very differently. David Brophy, senior lecturer in modern Chinese history at Sydney University, thinks the debate risks sliding into McCarthyism and racism.

He stresses that he is no apologist for the Chinese Communist Party.

“I’m very critical of the situation in China,” Brophy says. “I am particularly concerned about what’s happening in Hong Kong and in Xinjiang [where the Chinese government is engaged in a process of cultural genocide against the Muslim Uygur population].

“But it all needs to be put into perspective. There is a tendency to link all these issues – of which there are many – into a common story. If there’s a sense that the hundreds of thousands of Chinese students are part of some conspiracy to deprive us of our liberties and/or democracy, I can see that easily turning into something quite nasty.”

Brophy suggests such thinking is the obverse of Chinese propaganda that promotes the notion of conspiracy against it. He points to the “citizen panellist” on Monday’s episode of the ABC’s Q&A program, Li Shee Su, who suggested the Hong Kong demonstrators might be termed terrorists, and that foreign intelligence agencies were behind the protests. Many, including Hamilton, were concerned by Li’s rhetoric, which appeared to echo the propaganda in official Chinese media.

“I saw Li on Q&A,” says Brophy. “There’s no doubt he was expressing views that exist in the Chinese community, but equally there’s no doubt in my mind that a lot of this simply reflects a Chinese patriotism, a sense among the Chinese–Australian population that China doesn’t get a fair run in the Australian media.”

He has a point. As does Hamilton. It’s a difficult balancing act.

At least, though, such debate can be had. Unlike in Xi’s China.

Let’s scope the degree of difficulty. The weekend provided lots of input. Via News:

Thousands of people marched through the streets of Sydney today with protesters chanting that Hong Kong is part of China.

It comes after disturbing footage from Friday showed pro-Hong Kong protesters taunted with expletive-laden chants from pro-Chinese activists before scuffles broke out in Melbourne and Adelaide.

Hundreds of protesters converged in cities across Australia for the rallies in support of the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong last night.

Footage posted to social media shows Chinese students at a protest at the University of South Australia in Adelaide, chanting “Cao ni ma bi” or “F*** your mother’s c***” to Hong Kong protesters.

In Melbourne, footage from last night shows pro-Chinese activists chanting “Jiao baba” — which roughly translates to “call us dad”.

Other videos from last night show up to 1000 rival activists jostling as tempers flared at the demonstration in Melbourne — which began at 7pm outside the State Library in Swanston Street last night.

The two groups faced off and exchanged heated words before police formed a line separating the groups. Among the chaos, an ABC cameraman was shoved by a man who then appeared to attack his gear.

The Herald Sunreports that pro-democracy advocates chanted “Free Hong Kong” as they gathered on the steps of the library, carrying signs pledging “solidarity with Hong Kong”.

Some of their posters read, “Say No to Hong Kong Police’s Brutality”, “Support Hong Kong people against tyranny” and “I can’t keep calm because Hong Kong is dying.”

Some were also wearing red bandages over their right eyes in solidarity with a girl who was allegedly shot in the by police in Hong Kong late last week.

A social media post by the rally’s organiser claimed it had been disbanded about 9pm due to “acts of violence from counter protesters”.

The Communist Party of China (CPC) loved every minute of it, via the ABC:

Chinese Government-controlled media has publicly congratulated pro-Beijing protesters who gathered in Melbourne on Friday, while the nation’s ambassador to Australia has warned foreigners not to support pro-democracy activists.

An estimated 600 people from rival pro-Hong Kong democracy and pro-China groups took part in demonstrations outside the State Library of Victoria in Melbourne.

Several scuffles broke out, forcing police to separate the groups.

Footage of Friday night’s protests quickly spread on Chinese state media, where reports were favourable of the pro-China protesters who they said surrounded the pro-democracy demonstrators.

“Melbourne’s Chinese students and Chinese immigrants spontaneously came and hung the national flag, supported the motherland and surrounded the pro HK independence people,” one report said.

“In order to prevent the national flag from getting wet, the patriots held umbrellas for the national flag in the rain. There are Chinese flag guards everywhere. Good job!”

At the time of publication, the post had been “liked” more than 1.1 million times and shared almost 100,000 times.

Ambassador warns foreigners not to interfere

China’s ambassador to Australia, Cheng Jingye, issued a statement on Saturday morning, as further rallies were taking place in Sydney and Melbourne.

He denounced the Hong Kong protesters’ actions as “radical, violent and illegal” and said they were determined to undermine its “one country, two systems” arrangement.

“Their behaviours have grossly trampled on the rule of law and social order in Hong Kong, seriously threatened the local residents’ life and safety, severely jeopardised Hong Kong’s prosperity and stability,” he said.

No responsible government would sit idly by.”

He added that the unfolding situation was “solely the internal affairs of China” and warned foreign governments, including Australia’s, to not support Hong Kong’s protesters or interfere.

“We sincerely hope that people from all walks of life in Australia will see the real picture of situation in Hong Kong, act in the interests of Hong Kong’s prosperity, stability and rule of law,” he said.

“Any attempt to mess up Hong Kong is doomed to fail.”

But it’s OK to interfere here apparently. The CPC is very likely directly behind the protests in some significant measure. And is 100% behind them indirectly, via SBS

The fallout following the altercation [at the University of Queensland] saw reports that the Hong Kong students’ political activity would be documented and sent to the Chinese government.

Fearing for her own safety, [Hong Kong international student] Phoebe is now protesting from behind a cleaning mask.

“We just found out our photos have been spread over the Chinese internet,” she told The Feed.

I’m worried that if the Hong Kong government or the Chinese government find out who I am, then I may not be able to go home, “I do feel like I have to protect my identity in order to keep standing with the Hong Kong people.”

There are also many reports of intimidation here and in China, including shadowy CPC officials threatening relatives of Hong Kong protesters at home.

Hong Kong protest movement leaders are calling on Australia for support, at News:

In an exclusive interview with News Corp, the group’s spokesman Joshua Wong, said the Australian government must take a stand against China following their abuse of power in the autonomous region.

“I hope the Australian government sends a clear message to President Xi. Now is the time for Australia to stop supporting China’s military and take a stand with Hong Kong,” he said

“Now is the time for world leaders to speak out against what has been done to Hong Kong and support our human rights.

“The ‘one country, two systems’ has been eroded.”

But also to keep it peaceful, at a rally by teachers in HK on Saturday, at The Australian:

Angel Chen, a teacher of Chinese literature and culture, told The Weekend Australian that pro-China supporters were deliberately trying to provoke a violent response from the protesters.

She said it was important that protesters remain calm in the face of those provocations.

“China is upset and they want to make us fierce,” Ms Chen said.

“We will not be, we just want to say our demands.”

Another teacher, who did not want to be named, said the principal of the public school at which she works had instructed its teachers to “keep their mouths shut” and not be part of the rally.

ScoMo’s dills are miles behind the curve, at Domain:

Four Liberal MPs have warned that the Chinese Communist Party holds too much influence over Australian universities, adding their voices to a growing chorus of federal politicians looking to reassess the government’s China strategy.

Thousands of pro-democracy and pro-Communist Party protesters clashed in capital cities on Friday night following an unprecedented week of rising tensions in Hong Kong.

Queensland senator Amanda Stoker, freshman Sydney MP Dave Sharma, and Victorian backbenchers Tim Wilson and James Paterson warned that university administrators must remain vigilant to ensure not only free speech is protected when managing the clashes, but national security as well. Senator Stoker and Mr Wilson are members of the powerful Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security.

It comes after Education Minister Dan Tehan on Saturday urged universities to subscribe to the model free speech code proposed by former High Court chief justice Robert French in his government-commissioned review released this year.

Sure, but who’s listening? Nobody. Not even the Coalition, via The Australian:

Education Minister Dan Tehan says the government is taking foreign interference in the university sector “incredibly seriously”, slapping down concerns from Liberal MPs that the sector is not doing enough to combat subversion from the Communist Party of China.

Mr Tehan this morning rejected a claim by Liberal National senator Amanda Stoker there was a “crisis of leadership” on the issue.

“These are issues that have emerged over the last few years. They are ones which require careful consideration. But I must say the engagement I have had with the sector, they understand how important this is that we get it right,” Mr Tehan told Sky News on Sunday.

So seriously it’s talking, talking, talking.

So, what should we do? The major constraint on explicit action is not economic fallout. It is the 100k Aussies in Hong Kong that are effectively diplomatic hostages. Therefore we should keep things neutral as we:

  • heavily police all protests to protect the public, and
  • halve the permanent migrant intake without targeting any one nation.

That will also kill off the inflow of mainland Chinese students. Special dispensation for Hong Kong residents can be made in due course, when things get nasty.

Australia needs to get on the front foot with this. As Hong Kong deteriorates, it’s going to get much worse here. Via The Australian:

The latest rally — the biggest in weeks — took place at Victoria Park in Causeway Bay, but so large were the numbers that the maze of streets leading into the park were jammed shoulder to shoulder, forming a human gridlock through a shopping district ­famous for charging some of the highest retail rents in the world.

The main roads in and out of Hong Kong remained closed at around 9.30pm local time, with thousands of people continuing to stream through Wan Chai towards Central more than seven hours after the event formally began.

Despite persistent and at times torrential rain, organisers estimated that around 1.7 million people filled Hong Kong’s Victoria Park and the streets of the surrounding Causeway Bay retail precinct in what was the biggest single protest in the city since June.

Aussie liberalism, multiculturalism and democratic integrity need protection as the CPC goes to war with its persecuted subjects.

Houses and Holes

David Llewellyn-Smith is Chief Strategist at the MB Fund and MB Super. David is the founding publisher and editor of MacroBusiness and was the fouding publisher and global economy editor of The Diplomat, the Asia Pacific’s leading geo-politics and economics portal.

He is also a former gold trader and economic commentator at The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, the ABC and Business Spectator. He is the co-author of The Great Crash of 2008 with Ross Garnaut and was the editor of the second Garnaut Climate Change Review.

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    • +1 convict and deport, travel advisory to Nationals in Hong Kong. The appeasement needs to stop, and the CPC’s Antifa need to go. Or as the Chinese would put it ” Expel the barbarian. Revere rule of law!”

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Yep. Any Hong Kong person seen mis-behaving here needs to put on the first plane home!

      • What about instead of prison they are forced to buy property before being sent back? Everyone comes out a winner!

      • bolstroodMEMBER

        I think Australians can learn a lot from the HK and Nationalist chinese people.
        They are not afraid to get out and protest when they feel their cause is just.
        Australians on the other hand , are getting ripped off left right and sideways by corrupt politicians, crimnal building companies and financial institutions , paedaphile religious organisations ,and on and on and on, and do not raise a whimper, let alone hitting the streets in robust demonstrations.
        It was not always thus , some where long the way we have lost our moral and social conscience, the Chinese people are showing us they have not.

    • But you need to put their actions into “perspective” 😉

      (I’m not an apologist ….. but I am).

      Another day, another ‘academic’ rationalising unacceptable behaviour.

    • Mass Internment & mass deportation.
      Not just as political & security risk to all of Australia, but because the vast majority of these Chinese Nationals should never have been allowed into Australia in the first place.
      We have 1.361 million mainland born communist Chinese in Australia.
      And only a tiny fraction are as Australian citizens.

      The other 1.213 million?
      🇨🇳Chinese First🇨🇳 mainland born communists on Chinese sole passports.
      Non Australian Chinese Nationals.
      Non assimilating. Even worse, it’s not China’s best and brightest or productive. The majority in Australia are the Chinese Hokou* underclass of Chinese slum & peasantry misfits, petty criminals, vice workers and their socially undesirables.

      Exported by the Chinese government and the Chinese criminal syndicates – to be our social & healthcare burden, or else on a visa pretext to work & live illegally ‘long time’ here.

      -/-

      1.361 million Chinese mainland born communists are onshore in Australia.

      1.213 million as non Australian Chinese Nationals on Chinese passports.

      -/-

      ▫️238,000 Chinese mainland born communists as citizen grants/ Australia passports / their old, sick, useless & the hard core communists as the first wave of the ‘South Guangzhou’ colonisation of Australia. Many here a decade or more, no assimilation, no English, Chinese only enclaves.
      A social, healthcare & welfare burden.

      ▫️483,000 as Chinese Nationals on Chinese passports but granted PR – the old, sick, useless misfit Hukuo underclass exported from the Chinese tier 1 cities to be our welfare & Medicare burden. No English no assimilation, no pretence of a contribution, only here to steal as China First communist colonists.
      A massive social, healthcare & welfare burden.

      ▫️340,000 TR (of the 1.8 million TR) Chinese mainland born communists on Chinese passports as fake students or partners, fake skilled, fake regional, fake whatever visas – also the Hukou underclass trafficked in to work illegally or in vice. A massive social and economic burden.

      ▫️130,000 Chinese mainland born communists as NZ SCV (of 696,000) trafficked in via the NZ SCV passport stamp loophole, NZ being one of the ‘stepping stone’ routes to get into Australia. Another social & economic burden.

      ▫️Another 150,000 or more Chinese mainland born communists on Chinese passports as illegally working & living tourist & visitor visa holders. (Of 440,000 or 5% of the 8.8 million Chinese Indian etc so called tourist visitors working illegally- Aust Parliamentary submission) Long stay & repeat stay.
      A social and economic burden.

      ▫️Plus at least 20,000 Chinese mainland born communists as overstayers. (Of 65,000), same.

      -/-

      => That’s 1.36 million Chinese mainland born communists in Australia of which over 1.1 million are non Australian citizens as Chinese 🇨🇳China First🇨🇳mainland born communists.

      90% or 1.2 million Chinese mainland born communists in just 2 cities – Sydney & Melbourne, in vast Chinese only non assimilated slums.

      Of which at least 1 million who should never have been allowed in.

      These Chinese destroy jobs, wages, housing, education, our infrastructure, social amenity, the environment, congestion & overload our water & electricity.

      They are the epi-centre of foreign run criminal activities in vice, drugs. crime, money laundering & black market. They corrupt our politicians and have no loyalty to Australia, only China.

      They are a social, economic, political & security threat to all Australians.

      Time to get the internment & deportation camps ready.
      ——
      * Chinese Hukou underclass.
      China’s Hukou system is a registration program that serves as a domestic passport, regulating population distribution and rural-to-urban migration.
      It is a tool for social and geographic control that enforces an apartheid structure..”

      100 million of the Chinese mainland born Hukou underclass are to be cleansed from the Tier 1 city slums – relocated internally (five year plan but huge fail – hence the ghost cities) or increasingly exported to foreign countries by the Chinese criminal trafficking syndicates & the Chinese government.

      This Hukou underclass are 2nd & 3rd generation Chinese peasantry that flocked to the eastern seaboard cities in china’s industrialisation.

      Factory workers, grifters, now old / no social welfare, education or other entitlements – vice workers, pimps, petty criminals, misfits.. China’s social burden now being ‘exported’ as ‘foreign students’ or ‘migrant guestworkers’.

      Fact check.
      https://www.cultivateleadership.org/blog-1/2018/2/15/chinas-middle-class-is-pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-itself

      Excerpt. “Roughly one-fifth of China’s population, some 250 to 300 million people, have irregular hukou status. The reform of the hukou system is a major plank of the Five Year Plan from 2016 to 2020. Under the reforms, 100 million internal migrant illegals are to have their hukou status ‘regularized’ by 2020. The first-tier cities opted to regularize their populations by expelling hukou applicants. Second-tier cities like Chengdu grant hukou status only if they have a masters degree. Third-tier cities will take them if they buy local real estate. But the Hukuo are poor & uneducated with no access to higher education”.

      $2k buys an Australian PR in Guangzhou with every assistance from the Chinese government and the criminal syndicates in trafficking them out.

      Fake doc, fake health checks, Agent procurer ‘Loans’, used as mules for money laundering, recruited for offshore vice or black market labor work.

      A conveyor belt of the Chinese Hukou underclass from their Chinese slums in China -> to their Chinese slums in Australia.

      And we have 1.361 million of them, 1.213 million as sole passport Chinese Nationals..
      That’s our ‘Chinese’ intake.

      This is how corrupt & broken our borders and visa controls are.
      Then we gift them with PR, free Medicare & welfare. While they remain Chinese Nationals & 🇨🇳China First🇨🇳

      It would be very revealing to see the exact Hukou status & social credit score (their real identity not the fake packaged one) of the 1.213 million sole passport Chinese Nationals now onshore in Australia.

  1. there is no such thing as national interest, there has never been
    only interests of ruling elites presented as national interests

    • Correct. As long as a rising population = rising GDP that feeds into the spurious “conservatives are the superior economic managers” narrative and immigration will never be meaningfully cut. There may be some cosmetic tinkering around the edges. Which (surprise!) is exactly what’s happening.

  2. The Horrible Scott Morrison MP

    The diverse vibrancy is off the charts with this. Life would be boring if everyone wasn’t a CCP backed activist. Plus restaurants. How good is vibrancy?!

  3. This is good news for the Uyghurs because they will be let out of the camps to make room for the couple of hundred thousand Hong Kong dissidents who will be internally deported for basic re- education in socialist principles.

    As for us we will get the Brazil treatment as soon as we deviate from the strict Imperial Satrap line. The gloves are coming off all round and the US needs our resources as well as Canada’s and Brazil’s for what is coming. The deposits shown by the US Geological Survey are not economic after building so many suburbs and their infrastructure.

    US Imperial institutions acting through the Five Eyes structure will use our own intelligence groups to suborn any deviation from the Empire line, especially will they have the High Court corralled to remove any political leader trying for Australian independence……as for our pollies the don’t care where the money comes from as they still get their cut.

  4. Sydney Melbourne Burbs: Its all the same only the names will change Everyday. It seems we’re wasting away Another place. Where the faces are so brown. I drive all night just to get back home. : MR WOLF: I’m a cowboy on migrants I ride. I’m wanted to subdivide dead or alive yea har I’m Cowboy lololol

    • Labor party is afraid to say anything these days. Since they are still not sure how they lost the last election. Therefore they are staying quiet until they have it figured out. How good is Straya?

    • they are trying to be more business friendly these days
      otherwise they get punished by voters for being too communist

    • Most of them are on the take from their CCP masters, and the rest are looking out for ways they too can become such beneficiaries. The CCP bought Hawke and Keating among other Lab bigwigs, but to be fair they also bought plenty of Libs/Nats/Greens so its a free for all to see which side can sell us out the quickest.

  5. The Horrible Scott Morrison MP

    Turmoil in China is GREAT for Aussie real estate. How good is turmoil?!

  6. it’s never going to slow down. it’s all about propping up the consumption system. The only way I could see it slowing is in a complete system failure where there are little resources left. I only need look at the new tech visa in the light of our own engineers having to move overseas for work. In Melbourne we’re very close to gridlock, but even that won’t stop them, The country is going to be flooded no matter what we think is logical and manageable. The elite live in a different world to the rest of us.

    • The Horrible Scott Morrison MP

      It is Federal Government policy that we become the Australian Republic of the Sino Enterprise System – or ARSES for short.

  7. The IPA must have sent out instructions for the four stooges to read. What a group of w**kers. Let’s get the Broadbents and Wilkes leading the charge.

  8. Violent mainland Chinese students should be deported by the planeloads to Hong Kong, so that CCP can make use of the very extradition laws that led to this protest 🙂

    Also, the US is not an innocent bystander in this – CIA is probably busy screwing things up like they usually do via their State Department plants.

  9. Reducing Immigration is an obvious short term solution, but is it really a long term solution?
    If you ask me Australia’s current problems all stem from a lack of global competitiveness, this forces any and every Aussie kid to look at the same local job options and (most importantly) forces the government to make sure that these inwardly focused options are sufficient to maintain GDP and maintain employment.
    As a result we’re growing our BS jobs economy and cementing in place chronic and systemic inefficiencies which in a way only serve to guarantee that the next generation of Aussies will have even fewer job options and more BS jobs.
    Look at the insane growth in Health Care related jobs. These jobs can never earn a single penny of Export income, no one penny not over a whole lifetime yet this is the sector of the Aussie economy with the best job prospects. Seen from this perspective we’re no where near turning the corner on a revitalized Australian Industrial sector ( FFS even the trend is in the opposite direction) , nor is it likely that our Agriculture sector will somehow emerge as an important export sector.
    There’s not a single industry, that I can think of, where Aussie labour (our human capital) is systemically important to the Global economy, not one industry, not even one sector, we’re not even important at the margin….our labour is just not relevant …we’re just not important!
    Put bluntly Australia’s Human capital, as seen from a Global perspective, is all but worthless. While we celebrate our BS jobs boom the rest of the world laughs its a55 off at our growing incompetence…we can’t do for ourselves what our parents generation could do for themselves, we’re forced to buy in this expertise to trade our raw materials and our land and our residency for trinkets…because we’ve lost the ability to make these trinkets (apparently we’re too good to waste our time making trinkets) .
    So by all means slow down immigration but don’t think for one second that this action will somehow fix the real issue.
    IMHO the whole immigration issue is just a distraction.

    • Hill Billy 55MEMBER

      You haven’t read the full program. We’re importing plenty of parental vibrants to fill up the hospitals and nursing homes and then we’re importing nursing staff that speak the (OS) mother tongue so, truth be told, our Health and Aged Care Sector is now the BOOM area for GPD and jerbs groff! How good is ASTRAYA!

    • Relevant StakeholderMEMBER

      No developing country ever created a manufacturing sector in open competition with the globe, so tariffs are necessary…if that’s not possible due to our country being owned by finance.. well let’s hope for a global breakdown in trade flows!

      • Tariffs are so yesterday and so irrelevant if capital is able to be easily deployed across boarders
        In today’s world Australian’s both individually and collectively need to be developing globally valued skills and creating a network within which these skills are deployed and traded for export income.
        In yesteryear the framework for this collaboration was large successful companies that could take our products to the world, however I suspect in Tomorrow-land we’ll use a different collaborative framework which enables skilled individuals to earn their way in the world sans “large corporation” . With this in mind we need to avoid creating the protectionist structure of a Tariff system to protect the industries we don’t have and only impede the growth of tomorrows industries.

      • Relevant StakeholderMEMBER

        So only protect industry once it’s already successfully competing against established global competitors?

        Is that what China did/does?

      • I’m not in favor of protecting any industry (or as that normally translates any company) rather I’m in favor of developing skills and competencies within the Australian work-force that are undeniably valuable and essential in emerging 21st century industries.
        AI will be to the 21st century what industrialization was to the 19th century. It’ll honestly be that trans formative. Countries (individuals) will either have the relevant skills or they wont…it’s really that simple.
        For Australia to participate in this “AI revolution” we need to be doing the ground work today. If we need 10000 skilled AI engineers in 2030 than they’ll need to be trained by say 1000 skilled mentors in place (and operating at the top of their game) in 2020. Australia doesn’t have this skills base and to be honest we’re already depleting the pool that we have rather than growing it. That’s a huge problem if the second half of this century is dominated by the deployment of Robotics and related developments in Artificial intelligence.
        No tariff or protectionist structure can change this outcome, instead we need to deliberately develop and sustain activities with enable those 1000 initial experts to truly become experts and mentor the 10000 AI experts we’ll need in 2050.
        But hey why F around with this revised form of Industrial policy when we can just impose tariffs?

    • Time we have an Industry Development Fund from our mining revenues – Norway style.

      Or perhaps a Medical Research Fund with exportable goods and services derived by the research.

      • For me it’s more about allocating sufficient funds to develop / support an Australian skills base in technology area’s that we know will be of vital importance.
        It’s not hard to identify half a dozen critical Ai/Robotics areas that we should be funding, however I suspect the real task will be to prevent the diversion of these funds into the hands of those that see the need for “proper” administration of these funds. Every R&D related development initiative over the last 20 years has done far more to expand our inability to properly manage R&D than to actually expand our R&D presence. At this point I’m rather skeptical that any other outcome is possible.

      • Is AI going to bring the medical breakthroughs the world is wanting?
        To be honest YES and breakthroughs in areas that focused medical research probably never could.
        Some what akin to the way that NASA’s moon rocket research gave us huge Semiconductors advances.

  10. Perhaps if the swarm of Chinese students in Australia were met with not so pleasant responses by every day Australians in every day situations, they would think twice about coming here. Most of the people i know would be glad to see our cities free of the plague of Chinese students, but would never dare say it.

    • I genuinely wonder when union/league types with ski masks and clubs will step up? Some internationally televised hidings of Chicom patsies would be applauded. There is a clear and present danger of state sponsored foreign interference in this country.

    • I find foreign students pleasant on the whole. It is the distortion of our economy, parliament and society that follows, and the privatisation of profits, the socialisation of losses and the loss of amenity that is so unpleasant.

    • But they don’t need to engage with the locals – they can get their home food delivered by someone from their home country, study from home (for the most part), and live in an apartment block with other people from their home countries. The chance to mingle with any disgruntled local seems to be a long-shot.

  11. “…while the nation’s ambassador to Australia has warned foreigners not to support pro-democracy activists.”

    Excuse me? Who do you think you are telling us who we can and cannot support? This is a (relatively) free country: if we, as “‘foreigners” want to support Hong Kong protesters, then that’s exactly what we will do, whether you like it or not.

    Gosh, these guys are passive aggressive…!

    • there’s nothing passive aggressive about the Chinese Community Party. They are purposefully, deliberately using the rising Chinese student population in this country and others to undermine the social fabric. Time to get them out of this country altogether, phony diplomacy be damned.

    • I am a large 3rd generation Anglo Australian male living in Sydney, with a marginal interest in this, and no real motivation to go and join the protests. But if I did, it would be firmly against the CCP and if favour of the Hong Kong protestors.

      I do wonder though, if I did get off my backside and go and protest, is some Chinese temporary resident type who is loyal to the CCP really going to shirt front me on the streets of Sydney and tell what I can and cannot say in my country of birth??? Or is this only directed at bringing ‘disloyal’ chinese who are daring to support the HK protestors to heel?? If the former, they would be drinking through a straw with a wired jaw for a long, long time after crossing my path, but I just cannot believe they would have the gall to do that?

      Or am I too naive?

      • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

        the way the Chinese students arrogantly parade around Sydney cbd, hogging the footpaths and shops, pretending they are each some kind of princling, i’d say its possible

      • Savvy, the concept of shared public space (and public etiquette) is a relic of Australian traditional values.

        We need to give up the notion of shared public space (as well as privacy) if we are to integrate effectively with Asia and its populations.

      • Thing is PiB it wouldn’t be you vs one, they don’t fight like that. It would be you vs many. They are very brave.

      • billygoatMEMBER

        @Snappedup snavvy
        You should see the way foreign students arrogantly gather on Bourke St Melbourne outside one of their learning institutions and SMOKE like their is no tomorrow. 50-70 having a chuff presumably between classes. Not a ranger in sight to issue ticket. Bizarre after decades of no smoking line foisted (happily for me) upon Aussies. Seems the anti racist rhetoric pushed through education has successfully reached all areas of Oz society cos no one says Boo!!
        I yearn for them all to leave. I’m not a fan of diversity or vibrancy or rainbows for that matter. Melbourne was simple in the late ‘80’s and affordable for most with a job.

      • Billygoat, surely smoking status should reduce one’s chance to stay in the country post-‘study’ given the current and future health costs that smokers cause (even if offset by high taxes on cigarettes – given if cigarettes are local and legal).

      • Why don’t you conduct a non scientific experiment to give us anecdata? Do it by yourself then do it with a pack of mates of similar appearance. Make sure you are extremely obnoxious and voice all the no no’s. Free Tibet free xinjiang independentTaiwan democracy rules communism is evil independent hk. I bet ya if you’re by yourself the chances of it getting violent are very high. Record it and you’ll be FAMOUS!!!! 1.3 billion hearts and minds will be United in hating you (that’s a play on the patriotic slogans I saw I t shirts on the subway in Beijing in 2008 in response to the unsettled times in the lead up to the Olympics which included references to the disastrous Olympic torch relay)

    • The Horrible Scott Morrison MP

      People definitely need to comply with the political views of their employers and landlords.

  12. But we can’t, you see.

    The esteemed board of the university projected a straight line growth chart into eternity. From this sophisticated projection, we have built 131 new buildings using only designs produced by students – which cost about 7x the usual to build. So as you can see, we’re $973.127bn in debt to the banks.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, if the government acts in such a dangerously responsible way, it will ruin the reputation of our forecasters. Oh, and it’ll also be on the hook for nearly the GDP of Australia in bailouts for fancy looking empty buildings. Also, they’re sinking, so um… can we have the bailout anyway? The chancellor needs a new pair of suvs

    • Strange Economics

      There is no cycle or boom bust in graphs. Far too complicated…

      The government projects all graphs as a straight line up into the future.
      1) eg Student nos and House Prices
      2) GDP (not GDP per capita which goes down)
      3) Immigration -> House prices
      4) Post parliamentary job salary with company helped during ministry [(here’s to you Christopher Pyne, Andrew Robb (best of all who sold ports to China !)
      5) House prices…
      6) House prices.

  13. The ultimate success of immigration comes down to intermarriage. In the case of the Chinese community there does appear to be some propensity to intermingle. So that suggests that ultimately all will turn out fine. But such long term transitions take time. You are entirely correct to suggest a reduced intake which will provide time for the community to form relations and accommodate each other in the only way that really matters.

    • True, to some degree.

      However, the impetus to integrate and intermarry (to be less of a stranger in a strange land), is possible if there is little top of new arrivals and you come along with not as many others from the same foreign cohort – allowing time for new Australians to integrate into the broader local culture (the only option they have if they don’t want to be on the outer).

      But, given recent turbo-charged immigration (and predominately for a handful of sources), the need to integrate is not needed, if you are able to come along with others from the same cultures and countries and build your life in a cultural bubble (work, live, play, study with only people from your same home country and culture). Also you’re less like to integrate if you have extended family from the home country coming out as well.

      • billygoatMEMBER

        @ Chase.. In St Kilda foreign truck drivers, Uber drivers, hospitality workers, aged care workers etc meet regularly for relation with white hookers (I know they’re White cos I have unfortunately seen their white faces & blonde hair as they bob up and down from drivers lap to windscreen) brazenly partaking in love relations mid afternoon any day of the week.
        Admittedly it’s a bit much to take heading off to work at 7am. So close I could be in car with them. Never seen a white bloke yet …must be getting r& t at local massage therapy place.

  14. Stewie GriffinMEMBER

    Aussie liberalism, multiculturalism and democratic integrity need protection

    Blah ha ha ha – you dill…. THIS IS MULTICULTURALISM

    Do you think Multiculturalism is just exotic food shacks at cultural fairs? Some colourful dresses and displays of bare chested Brazilians doing Capoeira?

    Multiculturalism is MULTIPLE CULTURES and everyone who supports over policies of assimilation and intergration has played a part of inviting Chinese Communist culture into Australia and responsible for what we are witnessing today.

    Suck it up, because it is only the leading edge of the ‘harmonious’ future ahead of us, you sanctimonious virtue signalling dummies.

    • Yes, multiculturalism is about accepting that there are different (but equally viable) ways of living, that have the right to co-exist within a society.

      Under this model, we must accept that there are cultural norms that assert authoritarianism and lower freedoms and liberties – that this is okay and just as viable as traditional Australian values of equality, fairness and charity.

      We are better to go with an overarching culture that brings people together, that is the foundations for developing the country as we want it to be (not just the economy).

      This overarching culture can be dynamic – being influenced by new cultures coming into the mix (say certain cultures with a focus on assisting extended family members, where the existing population could benefit from this) and can be accepting of certain cultural practices (religious expression), but they are still secondary to the primary overarching culture that brings us together and makes lives better for all individuals by a collective approach (do we support wealth creation that is fairly distributed; do we want a ‘safety net’ and what does this look like?).

      A cultural practice that negates the overarching binding culture, then it is sanctioned – such as arranged marriages, polygamy etc.

      At the moment, it seems archaic to suggest that we may want to strive, as a nation, for a social contract on what Australia should be as a nation – and not just as an economic entity.

      Talking about culture, in more definitive terms and ‘warts and all’ seems to relegated to the past. We are only allowed to talk about culture if we speak in only vague and only positive terms – best not to ‘other’ and alienate, and more importantly, upset anyone’s feelings. This unspoken agreed approach by the Establishment, is holding us back as a country.

  15. bolstroodMEMBER

    AS the pressure of 7-8 billion humans on the planet intensifies many previously held cultural norms are going to crack or explode.
    We live in interesting times.