MSM slams pimping of Chinese international students

Yesterday the MSM finally tore the scab off the international students wound MB has been picking at for years. The driver was a CIS report that made plain what MB readers have long known, that Aussie uni’s have whored themselves horribly to Chinese international students, via The Australian:

Universities are “taking massive fin­ancial risks” through over­exposure to the Chinese student market that will prove costly if China has a financial crisis, a University of Sydney academic says.

In a paper for the Centre for Independent Studies, China scholar Salvatore Babones also accused universities of compromising Eng­lish language standards to boost international student enrolments. He said seven top universities — Melbourne, ANU, Sydney, UNSW, UTS, Adelaide and Queensland — relied heavily on international students for revenue and revenue growth and seemed to have “extraordinary levels of exposure to the Chinese market”.

The most China-reliant is the University of Sydney, which earned more than $500 million in Chinese student tuition fees in 2017, 23 per cent of its revenue, the report estimated. Others with high China exposure include UNSW (22 per cent of revenue) and UTS (19 per cent). “They should act now to mitigate the risk of a sudden revenue collapse by raising admissions standards and reducing international student enrolments,” said the report.

More at Crikey with Bernard Keane:

Australia is, per capita, easily the world leader in educating foreign students: our number of foreign students per capita is more than twice that of the second-highest country, the UK. International students make up more than 25% of all enrolments at Australian universities, but ten universities, including most of the major institutions, have between 35-40% of enrolments from overseas. They are particularly dependent on Chinese students — at more than 10% of all enrolments, Chinese students form a much higher level of enrolments here than anywhere else. The specific location of our addiction is business schools, where at five major universities more than 40% — and in two cases closer to 70% — of enrolments are of foreign students.

Babones demonstrates how, to facilitate this, major institutions not merely waive basic English language requirements but actually turn the lack of English language skills on the part of foreign students into a money-making opportunity. They charge tens of thousands of dollars for enrolment in English language courses offered by university-linked, private providers that mean students are never required to meet enrolment standards. They have also lowered their academic standards: the University of Sydney accepts Chinese students with low Chinese domestic examination scores, using the same scores at middling regional universities elsewhere.

…The risks identified by Babones are only one sub-set of the problems created by our dependence on foreign students. The nearly-five hundred thousand foreign students currently in Australia provide a rich resource for employers to exploit, with wage theft and other forms of exploitation rampant among industries that rely on visa holders, such as hospitality and retail. This in turn provides downward pressure on wages for others workers, adding to wage stagnation, and harms the image of Australia in the eyes of exploited students and their families.

The growth in foreign student numbers also makes a mockery of government claims that it is reducing permanent migration to reduce pressure on infrastructure in Sydney and Melbourne: instead, the rapid rise in student numbers has added to congestion on key transport routes and put further pressure on urban housing markets. The presence of large numbers of Chinese students, and the thirst of universities for foreign funding, has also provided a mechanism for the Chinese regime to exert its malignant influence in Australia, both directly via Confucius Institutes and other platforms for propaganda and academic intimidation, and via intimidation and surveillance of Chinese students in Australia — especially those tempted to take advantage of university traditions like free speech and protest.

The Scummo Government pretended to react, as usual, at the AFR:

Education department officials as well as national security and cybersecurity experts will meet university representatives on Wednesday to thrash out guidelines governing collaborative research, amid government concerns over growing Chinese encroachment.

Senior sources said the government was especially concerned with collaboration in such areas as artificial intelligence, quantum physics and some engineering disciplines.

In addition, the government worries that the access China has secured to the sector may have enabled the massive data breach at the Australian National University in late 2018, and only discovered in June, which resulted in two decades of student and staff date being accessed.

But the universities, and in particular their million dollar club vice-chancellors, immediately stroked the Chinese moneystream, at Domian:

Universities Australia chair Deborah Terry, the vice-chancellor of Curtin University, said the growth in international student enrolments had allowed universities to “enhance the very high quality of education for both international and Australian students”.

Professor Terry said international students were funding their own education and made an “invaluable contribution” to universities, the community and the nation’s economy.

“Universities give constant and careful attention to future trends in student recruitment, and nurture diversity within and across regions, as part of their business planning,” Professor Terry said, seeking to address concerns about the concentration of students from China.

…Education Minister Dan Tehan has called on universities to implement protections for students’ free speech in response to the concerns. He has “strongly” urged them to adopt a code of conduct proposed by former High Court chief justice Robert French.

Universities Australia chief executive Catriona Jackson said the sector was always working to ensure “that students are able to exercise their rights to freedom of expression, and lawful and peaceful protest, in a safe environment”. She said the sector was carefully considering Mr French’s model code.

Amid concerns about the growth of research collaboration with Chinese academics and entities, Dawn Freshwater, chair of the elite Group of Eight research universities, said the sector understood the “vital importance of ensuring sensitive technology is not misappropriated or misused”.

All motherhood balderdash. This can easily be demonstrated by looking at the ratio of students to teaching staff, a key measure of pedagogical standards. For instance, at Professor Terry’s sagging Curtin University:


That is a clear decline in education quality for local kids. The Daily Telegraph had a bunch comments form readers which nicely summerised what we all already know:

Reader Al: “When I was completing … an engineering degree I was emailed exactly this at 2:30am to compile into a group project due at 9:30am that day by a mature age Chinese student: “Personnel Issues lack of expert to execute the project and labors get exhausted because every year there are many infrastructures ongoing and require a large number expert and experience labors…” And so on.

Reader JohnO: “Whilst doing my undergrad degree (at Monash), I was quite often the only Anglo… I was appalled at the utter lack of English capability in the students I was working with. In many cases their work was literally cut and pasted from the internet … To make things even worse, Monash began failing entire teams of people if even one member was guilty of plagiarism.”

Reader J: “When I did my Bachelor of Laws, I was put in a group of five for a presentation… One student rarely turned up to class, and the other three had issues speaking English. I ended up having to write a script for each person, which we then delivered to our tutor. One student couldn’t read the script (English wasn’t his first language) …. We got 62 per cent (a pass) for the assessment, which dragged my final mark down to a credit as opposed to a High Distinction.”

Reader Z: “I did an accounting degree with roughly 80 per cent foreign students… I was in a group with two foreign students… Their parts consisted of paragraphs of terrible English that you would expect from a primary school student, plus very well written sections that were clearly copied from reference material. As all group members were given the same mark, I was up all night editing the assignment, improving the English and rewriting the plagiarised sections. The foreign students got a high mark due to all my hard work.”

Reader Stuart: “I lectured at (university name withheld) in the business school from 2006 until 2012… I had to basically mark as softly as I possibly could to allow these students through… Group assignments are a huge curse. The idea is there will be someone in the team who will keep things in line to make sure there is no plagiarism. But it severely disadvantages good students.”

Not to mention US anger, at the AFR:

The university sector fears the government could be pressured by the United States to crack down even harder on its collaboration with China, following a series of measures being proposed by US Republicans, one of which directly implicates Australia.

Group of Eight chief executive officer Vicki Thomson declined to comment on the content of Wednesday’s meetings but indicated the sector was willing to work with the government and national security agencies to iron out concerns.

Education Minster Dan Tehan said it was likely universities would have to liaise more closely with national security agencies.

This has been happening for many years. It is time to stop it. The entire sector needs an overhaul. A major public investigation followed by policy reform to bring the universities back to their core function of educating Australians for brighter and better lives:

  • international student numbers must be severely cut;
  • public funding must be boosted;
  • freedom of speech and sensitive research must be brought into line with the national interest.

Australian universities are the future of productivity and living standards. They have literally been pimped out to Asia’s dumbest kids to save the budget a few bucks, boost property prices, smash wages and drive population growth.

The whoring has to stop!

David Llewellyn-Smith
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  1. Complex Carbon Unit

    Finally the basket of snakes is coming out in the open being shown for what it really is !!!, who is the viper that created this mess and pushed it to where it is now ?

    • The traitor named John Howard.
      “From July 2001 overseas students with key skills that were needed in the economy who successfully completed their course of study at an Australian institution, and met other general eligibility requirements, were able to make an onshore application for permanent residency through the Skilled-Independent (and related) visa categories of the GSM program (previously they had to leave Australia and apply offshore). Students were required to make their applications within six months of completing their Australian course. Unlike skilled migrants who applied offshore, former overseas students who made applications onshore were exempted from the requirement of obtaining work experience in their nominated occupation.[48]”

      • Scrap permanent residents from offshore and for recent graduates. Scrap graduate visas, bridging visas and work rights for student and their partners.

        Only allow temporary skilled-visa holders to apply onshore for PR (where they have proven skills in a field experiencing genuine and persistent skill shortages).

    • Quite a few ‘snakes’.

      🔹Our politicians, federal, state and local governments all bent & corrupted to the foreign lobbyists.

      Some felt it was somehow ‘multicultural’.

      Others took profit in prostituting our education as a migrant guestworker visa alibi.

      Others wanted to see Australia flooded with millions of unskilled third world migrants on pretext visas to destroy wages and create a vast pool of illegal workers,

      Many others profited from selling over 600,000 Australian’s modest low cost dwellings to be bought with foreign dirty money and converted into foreign criminal run & migrant guestworkers only slums.

      A long list of snakes.

      ▪️Al Grasby & co – middle eastern visa fraud and blatant trafficking.

      ▪️Paul Keating ‘Australia is Asian’ fill it up with Asians.

      ▪️John Howard & Cabinet ‘we will choose who comes into our country – open borders if by aeroplane.

      ▪️Michael Knight review (ELT fake English courses – set the path for the 715,000 foreign students and partners today – almost all unskilled third world detruis on nonsense courses as a visa alibi to work & live illegally.

      ▪️Kevin Rudd & cabinet
      ▪️Julia Gillard & cabinet
      ▪️Kevin Rudd & cabinet
      ▪️Chris Bowen specifically.

      ▪️Tony Abbott & cabinet
      ▪️Christopher Pyne – Chinese self declared funds
      ▪️Scott Morrison – Malaysia electronic visas
      ▫️The Dept of immigration.
      ▫️The Australian education dept.
      ▫️The chancellors, the heads, the teachers and the supper staff in the pretext education being provided as a visa alibi. They all know it’s fake.
      “We pretend to teach them & they pretend to learn”

      And it’s not just ‘foreign students’
      They are 715,000 of the 2,561,000 million TR & SCV now in Australia.

      ➡️ It’s the entire industry built around migrant visa trafficking. Money laundering, Illegal housing, job theft,
      Foreign run criminal & vice activity.

      ▫️It’s the FIRB in no checks on a migrant PR mule beings used to wash in the foreign dirty money on behalf of the foreign criminal syndicates to launder it into Australia housing, visa rackets, vice and other onshore criminal activity.

      ▫️The banks & the lenders
      ▫️The payments & money xfer industry
      ▫️The entire real estate industry – buy or rent
      ▫️The farmers bribe taking & black labour syndicates.
      ▫️The employers – big & small
      ▫️The Dept of workplace relations
      ▫️The ATO
      ▫️The Dept of Foreign Affairs & Trade
      ▫️The Australian tourism council
      ▫️The federal parliament committees

      🔹 Its also the Chinese, Indians, Malaysian & Pacific Island criminal gangs & others who run the trafficking & illegally work industry.

      🔹The Indians, Nepalese and Bangla as PR that also run their segment of the vast visa fraud, illegal housing, illegal work black market.

      🔹And the foreign criminal migrant guestworkers themselves.

      2.561 million TR / SCV – third world unskilled migrant guestworker parasites – all willing participants in visa fraud, working & living illegally, paying bribes to the agent procurers & traffickers to enter Australia on some visa pretext, steal an Australian job, steal Australian housing, work in the foreign run black market cash sub economy, repay that agent loan debt, send back remittances, secure the PR..
      To then suck up the Medicare & welfare, be the anchor to sponsor more third world lowlife as our burden.

      1,300,000 TR / SCV are in Sydney alone.

      -> 1 in 4 people

      Over 1.3 million foreign nationals on a TR or SCV , Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Bangla, Nepal, North & South East Asian, Middle Eastern, South American, African in vast migrant guestworker slum enclaves all across Sydney.

      Some mentions.
      🔻Clover Moore mayor – the filthy crowded migrant hell holes & cage housing visible from her balcony.

      🔻Lucy Turnbull and her ‘greater Sydney migrant zone’

      🔻Tania Plibeserk – the member for Sydney and previous labor minister that diverted the National Rental affordability scheme from low cost housing for Australians to instead house foreign students.

      🔻The foreign lobbyists & bribe payers

      🔻The corrupted State government and just about every local government council in the west & south west.

      🔻The NSW police force – paid off by the Chinese, Korean & others who run the ‘foreign student & tourist’ importation of sex worker in the prostitution industry

      🔻The middle eastern criminal syndicates that also run the visa rackets in criminal activity.

      There is some ‘snakes’ to go poke a stick at.

  2. Not to mention, our media, universities, police and politicians have tacitly endorsed chinese students making death threats against HK students via their complete lack of action on the issue.

  3. Complex Carbon Unit

    Exactly, their is more than one basket of snakes, and really what has the place come to !

  4. The Horrible Scott Morrison MP

    International students provide invaluable cultural enrichment and learning opportunities for our young people. Having to stay up all night to polish someone else’s turd before a deadline, for little or no reward, is great real world experience to prepare students for the modern workplace.

  5. But who will buy or rent harry Triguboff’s apartments?
    After all, that is who all of this is ultimately serving.

  6. Nothing will happen voluntarily.

    Nobody at USyd has balls anywhere near big and shiny enough to say “nah” to a $500m income stream. Simple as that.

    Simple As That.

  7. I was teaching one Masters subject and failed a Chinese student. Gave her a chance to resubmit work, but it was all garbage. Suddenly find myself hauled in front of the head of the school and head of HR to be told I was racist for failing her.
    I tried to show them her work but they weren’t interested in the slightest.
    I described her lack of language skills and inability to cope with the level of material. Not interested
    So I told them to fuck off (those words exactly) because her work was garbage and that’s what she was marked on.
    I mentioned I got the highest lecturer score across the whole degree on student surveys for the quality of my classes. Not interested.
    I told them it was their fault for lowering standards and letting muppets in like this who ruined it for others in the class just so they could drive revenue. And that this degree when I did it was ranked in the top three in the world, but now it was being destroyed by their shite admittance standards. That got them very upset. They told me I couldn’t speak to them like that and threatened me with never working for the uni again.
    Then I said “i’m not racist, you’re both morons”. And showed them a picture of my Australian-born wife (whose parents are Chinese but not mainland).
    “Now can you please explain how I am racist against Chinese people you fuckwits?”
    She was failed and I got grovelling apologies. I retorted it was not the student’s fault she failed, it was theirs for letting her into the course in the first place and, given that was the university’s mindset, to automatically default to racism, instead of enforcing standards, then I wasn’t going to waste my highly developed skills and experience, let alone my time throwing pearls before swine for the shitty payment that had been reduced, even as class numbers went up and standards plunged. i said I did it not for the money but to give back, to help educate people in entrepreneurship so we could improve our society. But I wasn’t interested in being used as fodder for their degree cum permanent residency machine.
    My parting line was “I won’t teach for muppets like you, both of you should lose your jobs over this.”
    I walked out, even as they were begging me to stay.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      You are what is wrong with this country holding it back from achieving it’s potential to maximise profits!

    • GunnamattaMEMBER

      Superb anecdote……

      The other thing to bear in mind is that this has been happening for a generation. I was part of a ‘team’ doing financial analysis in circa 2004 when myself, some guy in Sydney, and some guy down Apollo bay had three ‘team members’ (one Indian two Chinese) all of whom demonstrated they couldnt string a sentence together, and when we assumed ‘its OK, they will have the maths OK’ we found out – the night before the first large assignment was due – that they were no better than us.

      Australian tertiary education has morphed into the Elephant Man – the disfigurement of any form of academic excellence or principle is the distinguishing feature for anyone observing (or looking at) that system

      • Diana TodMEMBER

        Yup – identical experience in 2003 with having to re-write group assignments for students with little to no English and who were consistently given the same marks as me; my daughter in a masters degree for the last four years said the same – that there is only ever 1-2 students who can actually do the work in any group assignment.

    • You should write to whomever is covering this issue in msm and offer your experience.
      That is, if you are comfortable and are sure of repercussions never coming back to you (or dont care for them).
      It will send a new angle to this overly PC, “cant say anything because it is branded racist” crap going on in this country.

    • as per Divya comment but only if you sure you will survive what will come at you in terms of repercussions as those scums will come down on you like a sledge hammer.
      This was one of the best anecdotes I read this year.

      • There’s a postscript to my tale:
        The Uni asked me back a couple of years ago, said as part of my deal I needed a working with children check. I was like “WTF, really?” I have a WWC as I have a child at school, so no biggie, but I did wonder why.
        They asked me to design the subject (again it’s the Masters in Entrepreneurship). I say “in three weeks? How much are you paying me for this?” Their answer was zero. So the woman in charge of the program and the academic who was going to teach ask what I thought of their draft course outline.
        I replied “it’s nothing but bloody theory and reviewing academic papers. I wouldn’t pay a cent for this garbage. This is a Masters in Entrepreneurship, you need a real world approach with just enough of practical theory to satisfy academic models. Here’s what you need to do.” So I laid out a view of how to best teach the subject so students got a very real world experience of managing a growing business. It’s a block subject with everything crammed into three weeks, not an ideal way to learn, but here we are. They thought my ideas were fantastic.
        So 3 weeks later I’m in class…quasi co-teaching with the academic. He does the first couple of hours, then I turn up and he leaves.
        My first session was an hour long. I put them into teams, had one person in each download a Tower Game on a phone and set them playing as a team on one small device and told them they had to beat it in a time limit. None of them had ever seen the game before. One person complained about having to spend $1.99 to buy the game. I told them they were going to get tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars of value from this. Idiot.
        This was an exercise on multiple angles:
        – Can they work as a team under instant pressure? Will they divide roles? Who will attempt to take charge?
        – What is their strategy? Will it evolve? How fast can they learn? Can they handle the time pressure of a ticking clock?
        They all failed first time. So I asked what they learned. A sea of blank faces. The class mostly foreign students. None had ever established even a micro business.
        Had them play it again. They all failed. But at least now there was in one group some thinking going on. Dare I say it 3/4 of that group were Aussies?
        I had each team put their defence strategy up on the board. No idea. Clueless. No conception of managing time to give the aliens less of a chance from catching the sheep. No force concentration or multiplication. Nothing but “oh my god, put one there!”
        I questioned them on how they divided their labour – did they have a management strategy? Did anyone take notes and observe what was happening? Did they swap roles to see if anyone was better suited?
        I asked if any team had deliberately failed so they could fail fast, learn and start gain. Nope.
        Then I pointed out how to beat the game (I beat it on the first level the very first time I played it at 4x the standard speed and have to say I wasn’t expecting 5 teams to fail 19 times between them until someone succeeded).
        I had them play again, but gave them no time to formulate a strategy. Then double speeded the game to cause panic. They all failed.
        Again, asked them what they learned. Asked if anyone thought to see they were failing and play the game out just to see what could be done but then pull the plug and start again. Nope. Zero creative thinking being applied or tips listened to.
        Had them play again. By this stage several people on the periphery of the teams had zoned out and disengaged. So while the others played I asked this lot why they were bothering to turn up if they weren’t going to throw themsleves in to the learning 100%. Every answer the same – I just need to pass to get Permanent Residency.
        I walked round and doubled the game speed again. One team managed to win.
        So game over I turned the discussion to the learnings. How do you deal with a market you know little about, that’s moving faster than you can keep up, with an unfamiliar team whose roles are ill-defined? How exactly are you going to manage your growing business as things become progressively faster and more complicated.? How are you going to deal with co-founders who drop the ball and zone out? How would you define who deserved what mark (equity) for their contribution to winning? And so on. In terms of contribution from the class to shared learning it was crickets from the subcontinent and China, and all of it driven by the Aussies and one Colombian.
        Two days later, next class. Let’s talk business models and value chains. 21 blank looks. What’s a value chain? I’m beyond flabbergasted. How the hell do you get into a Masters in Entrepreneurship if you don’t even know what a value chain is? So my entire preparation is wasted. I ask “who has done the reading?” No one. “Then why the hell are you even here?” I ask to blank looks. So I readjust on the fly and drive the class with focused questioning, immediately highlighting to me most of the students are clueless and way out of their depth. So I step it down, trying to teach them to think instead.
        Next day I get an email from the lecturer saying “don’t come back, we’ve had complaints, you’re too intimidating, we need to be gentle with these students”.
        I fire back something along the lines of “you have to be kidding. This is a masters degree. It’s meant to be hard. This course and this university is a disgrace, the thing’s a charade, a scam, selling PR wrapped up in a degree. This used to be a fantastic degree run by real world practitioners, not muppet academics who are clueless and don’t understand what it is to be an entrepreneur and what skills they need in the real world. I’ve started up a high tech business, raised millions. Consulted widely to corporates on technology commecialisation. I’m the kind of guy you need teaching these people. But don’t bother. I won’t come back and debase myself so you can hand out degrees like confetti. Now I know why you demanded I had a working with children check, you didn’t want a lecturer, you needed a babysitter. “

    • was studying a year ago and had a class which consisted of just one big group assignment project and there was about 6-8 Chinese students who for the assignment got split after they tried to make a team of just themselves. My first mistaken thought was that it was to make sure they interacted with other people like to give them more experiences but no it was obviously because they would not be able to complete the assessment due to their lack of English, the project required interacting with a real world client and there is no way they would be able to deliver what was asked as they simply continuously misinterpreted what was wanted.

    • I gave a lecture to a postgrad class a few years ago and asked the course convenor about the level of English skill of the students. She replied “Well, not all that good, generally”.

      I think she was forced to be honest, because I was about to stand up in front of the class and talk to them. Her assessment was correct, and I reckon a lot of the class would have struggled to understand my presentation. And this was at post graduate level.

      I’ll be delivering a lecture to an undergrad class next week, and I expect the same result.

    • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

      and if your wife wasn’t of Asian background how do you prove to people like this that you are not racist, this stupid country

    • I have a very similar story mdsee, very, very similar, almost identical. It didn’t cause me to resign right then and there, but it was a contributing factor towards my subsequent resignation. Australian universities have sadly become a joke.

  8. Those group project experiences are seriously f*cked up. I would be screaming the place down if I was put in that situation, publicly blogging the specifics, naming and shaming, until something was done about it.

    • You know what would be done?

      You’d be suspended or expelled (hate speech, breach of privacy, breach of some policy, terrorism, whatever other reason). Because you’re just one whining whitey, and on the other side of the scales is a fat $500m, all yellow (and green). So you could go and get fecked.

    • If you are bundled into a group assignment simply extort the students with sub-standard academic levels. Find out the cost of the subject and divide it by the number of incompetent students. Demand payment 1 week prior to the assignment deadline payable in cash.

      • Honestly that’s what I’d do and I’d be totally open about it too in class when they’re assigning the groups

  9. reusachtigeMEMBER

    Look. If you don’t like the fact that going to uni means either doing all the work for foreign students as well, or else have your results dragged down, then go get a fkn wh1te kids job like a plumbing apprenticeship you underachiever!

    • Listen, the issue at hand is that it is difficult, often grounds for expulsion to properly demand payment for doing the international students work. If we as a nation are going to move forward with this bombardment with third world trash, then ALL citizens need to be allowed a chance to profit.

  10. The Federal police have approached staff in local IT faculty about first year students who don’t turn up to class, kill their exams, then disappear after first semester. Read into that how you will, but it’s pretty clear that the plants are in their place.

      • Would the federal police be interested in exam cheats?
        The involvement of the feds implies, to me, that individuals of interest with a strong IT skillset are coming in under the pretense of a student Visa, then who knows what they do from that point. Apparently it’s been a noticeable enough trend.
        900+ accounts from mainland China were dissenting voices amongst the Hong Kong protestor groups online. How many of them have gone unnoticed because they originate within Hong Kong? I dunno, but it makes sense to me that political subversion is more cost efficient today than ever before.

      • Fake students. They’re in Australia on a student visa but they’re not studying. They need to keep up the pretence of being at uni while they’re actually doing something else. That’s assuming said “student” even exists at all and isn’t a completely constructed identity.

  11. The Horrible Scott Morrison MP

    A lot of people on this site need re-education because they don’t understand the benefits of progressive diversity and how it’s our greatest strength.

    • Aussie students getting a 2nd instead of a 1st to boost our service “exports”, how good is that!

      (Also this will cause festering resentment against foreigners for those affected, just another dent in the happy Australia vibe)

  12. TailorTrashMEMBER

    Point 4 to your list
    Declare the universities morally bankrupt
    and replace the corrupt VCs with administrators
    to restore them back on the path to being social assets as they were .
    But doubt it could happen Their total corruption is in line everything else in a country that imports corruption
    by the plane load .

  13. The son of one of my mates recently completed a double degree in Engineering and Science. He’s a smart bloke, and several times he complained mightily about the whole group assignment sh1t thing, where he would do the work for several foreign students who could barely speak English or comprehend the material. Those people also ended up getting their degrees of course.

    It’s not a matter of harmless corruption that ends at the university. There will be real world consequences because passing someone at Uni who doesn’t actually understand their subject results in people seeking and gaining employment based on those bogus qualifications. These so-called Engineers will now be designing the bridges we drive over and the aircraft we fly on. Unqualified accountants will be running financial systems. Morons with bullsh1t MBAs will be managing businesses.

    Our society will be much worse off as a result of this nonsense. People will be impoverished, injured, made sick, and some will die.

    • Jumping jack flash

      Yes the group assignments… with group-assessment! The best type of assessment.

      So many HDs

  14. John Howards Bowling Coach

    My undergrad study was in a business stream with a lot of communication and presentation requirements. Although back in the day there were fewer internationals they still tried to load into my groups, as I was a couple of years older so usually getting the top marks. I decided on a simple policy. I told them they could be part of our group, but they needed to do all of the presentation because their written skills were too poor for us to get good marks. After a 30 second consideration, none of them ever wanted to take up that offer.

  15. H&H, I’d also suggested efficiency requirements and teacher to student ratio minimums, in return for government funding.

    Force administrators to trim the fat, but not at the expense of student delivery.

  16. Would the federal police be interested in exam cheats?
    The involvement of the feds implies, to me, that individuals of interest with a strong IT skillset are coming in under the pretense of a student Visa, then who knows what they do from that point. Apparently it’s been a noticeable enough trend.
    900+ accounts from mainland China were dissenting voices amongst the Hong Kong protestor groups online. How many of them have gone unnoticed because they originate within Hong Kong? I dunno, but it makes sense to me that political subversion is more cost efficient today than ever before.

  17. Jumping jack flash

    What else are universities going to do? Academics need to get paid so they can obtain debt too, you know. They can’t live in their cars, and subsist on sunshine and self-satisfaction.

    Universities were basically privatised by the government and politicians’ quest to reduce their responsibility over anything to zero, and become something with the impact and fortitude of a blancmange. They were tired of the whinging of the plebs, I suppose. Ugh! So tiresome!

    Let the people complain to the Indian call centre in charge of handling complaints.

    University funding was slashed. Universities stopped being relevant.
    At around the time I attended university in the mid 90’s, when university places were still a thing, attendance was at an all time low. The “international student” was a bit of a curiosity. A rare beast indeed.

    Universities had to do something otherwise they would go back to the dark old days of the guilds.

    Anyway, its all a bit moot because they shake their sticks at universities for being “over exposed” to China, when the entire country pretty much is anyway.

  18. Not sure what they were like generations ago but having studies post grad degrees at a number they are terrible relative to other Unis have studied at abroad