Insane Senate votes 54-2 against Hanson population plebicite

Australia’s political economy has turned into one gigantic lie. Via AAP:

Pauline Hanson’s push to have a national vote on immigration levels has been crushed in the Senate.

The One Nation leader on Monday asked the Upper House to support a plebiscite, arguing the country’s roads and health system were buckling under the weight of new migrants.

But Senator Hanson and her partyroom colleague Malcolm Roberts were the only votes in favour of the Bill, which was thrashed 54 votes to two.

Pauline Hanson is 100% right. Australian standards of living are tumbling owing to the mass immigration economic model:

  • wage growth is finished;
  • infrastructure is crushloaded;
  • house prices are pressured higher and quality control has collapsed.

These are simple statistical truths. They are not racist. Yet we can’t talk about them because Pauline Hanson does. Perhaps it’s the other way around, Pauline Hanson talks about them so we refuse.

Either or both ways, if Pauline Hanson said the world was round, the national discussion would declare it was flat.

This stranglehold of the imagination is gutting what was once great about Australia: fairness, classlessness, meritocracy and democracy. Replaced by exploitation, class war, corruption and oligarchy.

That this is led by the Left is one the great ironies of contemporary politics. The Right simply loves it. It is its natural tendency.

It’s insane.

Comments

  1. “Fairness, classlessness, meritocracy…” these are foreign concepts for the cultures we are importing from en masse.

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      Indeed. As opposed to “our” culture and the leaders (both politically and socially) it has produced for the last thirty-odd years.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        The premise is that those dreadful non-Anglo immigrants are to blame for how our culture is changing.

        The fact is that Anglo culture was already changing for the worse long before they started showing up. Which is why values like “fairness, classlessness, meritocracy” have been being sneered at for a couple of decades now.

        The tail doesn’t wag the dog.

      • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

        The fact is that Anglo culture was already changing for the worse long before they started showing up…….

        that’s a pretty big statement there, actually that’s pretty hideous really

      • St JacquesMEMBER

        Agree Smithy. If an immigrant decides that to get a head one should break the rules because they see that’s how its done here, who fhe &% are we to blame them?

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        that’s a pretty big statement there, actually that’s pretty hideous really

        Well if it makes you feel like that, it must be wrong, obviously.

      • Our Australian culture, has been translated to Anglo by Drsmithy. NO. No it is not was NOT despite Menzies pointing his toe and trolling a poem to HRH.
        Terry O Brien has Irish ancestry both sides and at the time that ran on the ABC, 7 million of us had Irish ancestors. That’s not Anglo. Lots of Germans in mid 1800 due to drought, brought excellent farming and land respect, all sorts. Then the gold rushes with people from everywhere.
        China determined that when a population is specifically 20% Han Chinese the host culture has been broken.
        It’s gone, The spokeswoman for Aus jewery stated some years back they looked forward to a chinese Governor General so they would feel safe. Aus identity is there in patches but overall gone.

  2. Thrashed – lol that makes it sound like the other senators were actually there – so many don’t realise how parliament works. The chamber is actually empty – theyre all out to their taxpayer funded lunch. Can I also leave work early and go for a tax payer funded lunch?

    • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

      Ermo – this vote will only increase support for One Nation.

      Australians aren’t completely stupid – they know mass migration is behind many of the social and economic ills they are experiencing, and they will notice that One Nation is the only party prepared to discuss them and pursue it as a genuine agenda, as opposed to Scomo like lip service.

    • Another apartment blocks hoarding in Gladesville had OVERDEVELOPMENT spray painted across it for months back in early 2018.

      • Good to hear that. Should be more such spray-painting. And demonstrators with placards outside Australian Property Council and other growth lobby confests, and also outside international airports,protesting at mass immigration.

    • As per Wikipedia on Immigration in Denmark, that country has a policy to brake-up ghettos and ensure there is greater integration.

  3. matthew hoodMEMBER

    PH should put this to the Upper House as often as she possibly can and just keep going on about the effects to our health,transport,environment etc. Next FED election ON would double their vote.

    • She need to a lot of little immigration reform moves such as:
      – reduce the maximum age given for PRs (currently at 45, but can take 5 years, so effectively 50), perhaps 35, so effectively 40
      – indexed pension based on how long someone has been PR
      – only citizens can sponsor a spouse
      – no work rights for Australians
      As a start…

    • I agree, she should raise it every few weeks or so and call out her fellow Senators for rejecting it. The media will paint her as a bigot/racialist and if she does it often enough, maybe the insufferable Brandt, DiNatale or SHY will be so enraged they will have a whinge on camera and the message will start to cut through eventually.

  4. Jumping jack flash

    “wage growth is finished;
    infrastructure is crushloaded;
    house prices are pressured higher and quality control has collapsed.”

    Its not entirely a bad thing though:

    – Wage growth is finished – for the plebs. The workers. The ones nobody cares about.
    Wages for the upper half of the company structure are still alive, barely. The statistics can’t capture these nuances. They’re working on it, I presume. The enormous amounts of immigration is required to facilitate wage theft that is still feeding the upper half’s wage increases. Check out million dollar pay packets for CEOs and the other upper levels. I’m sure they’re doing ok. Barnaby’s on 210K a year. He’s doing it tough. Sux to be anywhere lower on the pecking order than him I guess.

    – Infrastructure is something that looks good for the government to spend up on big, in the name of “stimulus”. The fact that it isn’t actually stimulus doesn’t matter. They call it whatever they like. They could call it cats. The government will soon announce a new round of infrastructure builds to “stimulate the economy” and make sure not to mention who gets to keep the tolls/fares. This will be done amid great fanfare, cheering, and photo ops.

    – House prices need to be higher. They are the piston of the debt machine. Build quality naturally reduces as profits need to increase to fuel higher wages for the contractors and subcontractors so they can increase their debt.

    Its all about the debt and how to obtain more.

    “That this is led by the Left is one the great ironies of contemporary politics. The Right simply loves it. It is its natural tendency.”

    Its not a matter of left and right it is a matter of what needs to be done to sustain the infinite debt growth that the economy is now based upon. Left and right are just people and people need debt to get rich from.

    It is great that Pauline could see through their crap, but it doesn’t make a single difference to what will actually happen to keep the debt growing.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      “Wage growth is finished – for the plebs. The workers. The ones nobody cares about.”

      It’s a shame these dumb Cnts don’t wake up and fight for themselves,….Politicaly.
      Less than 40 thousand people could completely take over the Labor party.
      Rather suck piss and talk footy all fken day!

  5. The day that atrocity gets anything up is the day we should call this experiment called Australia as cooked. Think it through. You really want her to get credit for the most bloody obvious policy fix this place needs. A dose of reality mixed with patience is required These first world whinges you keep making in parrot fashion need the big political dogs to sort – do not be so desperate as to allow that shocker the opportunity for her support to grow.

    • “patience is required” Australians are being replaced you fool.

      “These first world whinges” not for long

      “do not be so desperate as to allow that shocker the opportunity for her support to grow” grow up you moron. There’s bigger problems than hurt feelings of migrants.

  6. Liberal, Labor and Greens are all mass immigration proponents and those 3 receive the majority of the votes.
    There is your plebiscite.
    SAP receive less votes than Animal Justice.

  7. Regardless of whether many of those Senators think that economic immigration is out of control, they are likely terrified of being called racist, and losing their careers – and they are right to be afraid: conflation of social/moral and economic immigration is a very real thing…it shouldn’t be but it is.

    I wonder if anyone could actually publicly state the above without being called racist? I actually think they couldn’t….surely people would just say they were introducing a “wedge argument” to open the door for “otherwise obvious racism”?

    We really make it hard for ourselves, don’t we?!

    • Absolutely, the manipulation of the term ‘rac1sm’ by the neoliberal growth lobby post WW2 in converting national economic and environmental value to tax-haven wealth has been nothing short of a staggering success.

    • Spot on, BurbWatcher, it’s not just Pauline Hanson – NOBODY is allowed to question immigration without being branded racist. Being pro-immigration and pro-diversity go hand-in-hand and is compulsory in this country.

      • Not just left voters. Nobody is allowed to question immigration and nobody does – at least not in public.

    • Yes. In a generation we have degraded our social institutions to the point of corruption and failure, we have overloaded our infrastructure to relative futility, we have destroyed our urban (and much of our regional) ecosystems and biodiversity, we have lost the values of fairness and equality that were central to our national culture, we have given away much of our mineral wealth and energy stores that were central to our national equality and safety nets. It’s not a pleasant story.

      • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

        yes, take Sydney – totally destroyed in just on 15 years. You do not realize how bad things are till you go to the hospital like I did recently with my son – you feel like you’re in another country, you have speak slowly so people understand you, I hate it, what future will he have in Sydney?

  8. Here’s the parliamentary records.
    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=s1138

    Is it really a surprise? Hanson created the environment for Howard’s bait and switch and has been blatantly xenophobic in the past. She is a useful idiot for the proponents of big Australia as it is people like her that have made the ability to discuss immigration so difficult. She stokes bigotry to keep herself in parliament, where she is yet to do anything of note, all the while being an obstacle to worthwhile reform.

      • I think that it would be worthwhile to reduce immigration levels to the pre ramp up historical average. I also think that Hanson is one of the many impediments to any reasonable discussion occurring around this.

  9. Given the unbreakable party consensus with Fast Big Australia, the following looks pretty much baked into the cake:

    1. Unless you already own one, or get a gift/behest it will be impossible to get an actual house anywhere near a place worth living. Grass, yards, places for the kids to play, open spaces parks etc are going to only be for the few. Outer urban housing will be postage-stamp, low-socioeconomic hell.
    2. City state schools will become increasingly crowded and culture-less. They will be academic orientated designed solely to support the extreme aspiration of the city workers. If you want culture and balance beyond aspiration you will need an independent school.
    3. Extreme traffic and congestion will be the norm for those that don’t take the city dog-box option. Extreme over-crowding for parks and gardens will be the norm for the dog-box dwellers.
    4. Apart from established wealthy pockets that have kept large tracts of bushland, suburbs with birds, trees and wildlife will be a thing of the past. Children will only know concrete and consumption and our natural environment in urban areas will become increasing degraded and subject to development pressure.

    It’s not looking like a good story.

  10. The90kwbeastMEMBER

    The theory that someone else posted on MB several times that there is a ‘handshake’ agreement of sorts between Labor and the LNP not to discuss immigration levels at all (lip service aside) just gets more and more support when news like this is released…

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      I don’t know why anyone thinks there needs to be a conspiracy of some form in place. Both major parties are believers in supply-side ideology that says more people = more economic growth = more betterer and have been for decades.

      Why search around for a complicated answer when a simple one is staring you in the face ?

      • The90kwbeastMEMBER

        That is 100% the reason it isn’t discussed, I am with you on that. No party wants to be known as the party that brought on the recession via cutting immigration intake, a key economic input.

        Whether there is a conspiracy though or just an Australian Treasury that is really good at explaining the impact of cutting it or just an intrinsic political cultural understanding to never bring it up as you say… the outcome is the same.

        Either way the incumbent Australian population are the losers whilst new arrivals, capital holders and the political class are the winners. Great system.

      • Perhaps, but those benefits from growth are increasingly strained and untenable. The story no longer washes. The sort of growth we are getting is no longer an advantage to the majority of the population, yet the major parties stay silent and quickly shut down dissent within their parties?

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        Perhaps, but those benefits from growth are increasingly strained and untenable. The story no longer washes. The sort of growth we are getting is no longer an advantage to the majority of the population, yet the major parties stay silent and quickly shut down dissent within their parties?

        When someone comes into a Church preaching another religion (or, heaven forbid, facts and evidence), the priests typically don’t let them speak for very long.

        As skippy likes to point out frequently (if somewhat incomprehensibly) there is an economic narrative that has utterly dominated the mainstream for decades. It is subscribed to by the major political parties. If you don’t subscribe to it as well, you don’t get to be in the party.

      • The90kwbeastMEMBER

        @ Morgs – yes that is absolutely the case when you read stories like this today. How is it a democracy when the wishes of the incumbent Australian people aren’t represented by the major political parties who will always retain power thanks to the 2 party preferred system? One is also fined when you do not believe any political party represents your wishes and do not vote, thanks to our compulsory voting system. It is Agency Theory blowback through and through.

        Our formative plutocracy that was the meritocracy of the Commonwealth of Australia (rip circa 1990s) grows day by day.

      • Oh come on DrS. The Labor right is essentially the development lobby, the Labor left is the infrastructure/construction lobby and the Liberal party is the banking/big corp lobby. It’s a conspiracy, just a really really obvious one lol.

      • Jumping jack flash

        “Why search around for a complicated answer when a simple one is staring you in the face ?”

        true.

        If you think of it in terms of the quest for infinite growth from infinite debt it becomes easier to understand, still.

      • Neoliberalism was always just a mask over Neofeudalism.

        Float the dollar, deregulate finance, incentivise capital income over labour income, bust unions with access to foreign labour markets, bust local regulations with free trade (access to deregulated foreign markets), eliminate tariffs & other protectionist mechanisms, eliminate barriers to international capital flows, wreck cultural and social capital in favour of generic internationalism, eliminate small business in favour of multinationals, etc.

        Blend the entire world into one homogenous suck-fest for the peasants on the way to one world government, legislature, currency and order. A world in which the peasants can’t afford to or aren’t allowed to own anything, instead being forced to rent their lives from the chosen Lords, just as it used to be.

        Greed-induced mass oppression inevitably leads to mass violence. We never seem to learn.

  11. BigBakaMEMBER

    As a 15 year veteran Aussie expat, my advice, move to one of those countries people are coming from, rent and put your savings into the MB fund! Australia is finished and there are plenty of great expat opportunities in South East Asia, plus great beaches, friendly people, good private schools, awesome food, safe and cheap. Why would you not want to live here!
    BB

    • Jevons ghostMEMBER

      And what do you think that those nice friendly locals are saying about you behind your back? For he’s a jolly good fella? I think not.

    • The bulk of SE Asia has mastered ‘fake nice’. Even nicer if you have lots of nice money.

      • Mr RobertsMEMBER

        Depends on your definition of safe I guess. Ever caught the western line in Shidney? I think it would be safer in the expat gated communities of Bangkok. They really make sure all the important people don’t get foxxed with. Teachers, doctors, FIRE etc. Gaurds at each entrance etc.

      • Jevons ghostMEMBER

        And there’s the rub. What do you think those friendly guards at the entrance gates will morph into if law and order breaks down. Could happen. Best be out of there if it does. Bit of facial boot polish and some black hair dye might be a life saver as well .

      • Thailand was considered and rejected, far too dangerous simply because of how insane they drive, the road toll there is insane. The only OS places I find appealing are too expensive or have the same issues as here, for better or worse I’m resigned to staying here (not adventurous enough for being a modern colonial master in SE Asia lol)

  12. Amazing that we can manage a plebiscite on gay marriage but not on population. I guess it shows what’s important in our society today.