Easter Long Weekend Links: 19-22 April 2019


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  1. Great & moving ad, recounting the story some of you spoke about after Gunna’s Tank Man post.


    Trouble is it hasn’t gone down well in China as Leica supply their lenses to Huawei for use in their phones.

    • I’m torn on that. Whilst photographic journalism has certainly changed the world, I find it a bit crass to advertise it as a selling point.

      • desmodromicMEMBER

        I’m with you Timmeh. Advertising is seeking a different response to those sequences than if they were in a film. Most will never know the moment of intensity of having a gun muzzle held to their body or fired at them. Whatever happens in life they shouldn’t seek it, with or without a Leica. If by chance such does occur, the moment never leaves you. I agree, ‘ a bit crass to use as a selling point ‘

  2. Safe and happy long weekend to one and all!

    I am looking forward to a good few days of stories of drunkeness, drug taking, swearing, falling down ….
    from my patients, as I have drawn short straw to work 3 out of the 4 days 😐

    • boomengineeringMEMBER

      Doing more work (redesign electrical and mechanical) on human bone shaving machine tomorrow but today its off to the Show. Surfed in dark this morn.

      • I surfed at night once with the spotlights and it was a bit scary as I had something brush a leg. Not as scary as Coolum on a trip and my mate told me to come over and see the big fish…a shark and we had a major punch up on the beach when I got back in, but that’s what 17 year old guys do. 95k today BE but pretty easy. Not much traffic, sunny day and hardly any wind.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        She never answers her phone and Simons valve isn’t long enough to reach the faring so walking home from DY. That new light vibrates t o point skyward so didn’t see concrete road loose rock.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Suicidal rabbits, pedestrians and cars on Monday and Wednesday Today loose road surface.. Must make attachment to stop light from vibrating up.
        Front tyres blow out down hill. You know the scene.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        No wonder I’m a hoarder, finished the mod to the light holder. Cut up an old light for the sleeve, drilled it out for the new light holding pivot, in with a flat allen head. put on the old velcro with bracket to aero bars and Bobs your uncle.
        Off to the coffee so bonemans job will have to wait;

      • Sounds like you had grief today. We had a late start and only did 70 and pretty slow; lots of stopping, eating, and talking shite. No car dramas at all, but school back next week and it’ll be back to chaos.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Did an extra lap of McCarrs this morn to make up for yesterday, rode part of second lap with 75yo but he had to stop to wait for his group.

    • You too mate . just finished a busy night on call, now for some rest.

      Do consultants in ED get OT/penalty rates on public holidays etc.?

      • ED FACEMs get NSW VMO award rates – no money on call, but 150% for public holidays!

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Poor you having to deal with such sick bogans. If there were more vibrants you wouldn’t have to deal with so much crap from stupid wh1ties!

    • Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase: “Living Vicariously”
      I know I’d go postal if I had to deal with the serial F’up’s that wander into the local Hospital emergency room.
      It gives one insight on just how dysfunctional certain elements of our population really are, it’s almost as if causality is the first casualty of poverty, so many obvious like wtf did you do that for? moments
      …..and yet this is the job
      ….this is what our social/economic structure suggests is the highest value activity for my labour given my skills.
      …In a way it’s clear to me that this is really just Australia’s way of imposing a social cost on those that differentiate themselves through some activity that doesn’t involve playing with a Football, a sort of tall poppy syndrome Kinda along the lines that since you’re obliviously an F’ing wanker your job is to dealt with our social dregs. I do sometimes wonder what would happen to Australia if people like yourself simply refused the job and simply said …that ain’t my problem!
      I know I’ve had discussions with many high ranking politicians that in a way wanted me to rise to the occasion and fix what I could….be all that I can be etc, do something for Australia. They’re somewhat surprised when simply respond that it’s not my problem and I have no intention of making it my problem. What they can’t seem to see is the implicit subjugation that comes about when I do their bidding.

      • he’s not doing it for free
        That’s not relevant. Think of all the things that someone with his skill-set could be doing if they weren’t playing nursemaid to societies serial F’ups.
        Find a cure for some obscure disease or stitch-up a room full of bogans that got in a fight about the correct rules for “Goon of Fortune”. It’s all about how the available (as in properly skilled) labour pool is applied. What problems are they given and what incentives does our society create to guide their activities?

      • Pecunia Nervus Belli

        This is seriously offensive stuff champ.

        Most ER are filled with people to poor to pay for a Doctor, mums with sick kids, elderly, confused migrants with limited English – end up there several times a year with a family with boys.

        Yes – there are often people who have injuries from playing footy, skiing, horse riding – you know – enjoying life – and plenty from young people who have had one too many.

        Its part of enjoying life – try it one day.

        You know who costs us the most ? Highly educated people who never end up in the emergency room – people like you. Spend their life having a nice pinot with their eye fillet, then cost the system millions while their arteries, hearts, lungs, dementia etc all impact costing us a fortune.

        By FAR the biggest cost – without any doubt – are the elderly and middle aged – you.


      • There is a sense (vaguely) of trying to do some good. I do not mind the patients or their self inflicted woes – I just hate the Government that expects us to see more and more patients with the same hospital infrastructure as they cram more people into Sydney and Melbourne.

        The altruism wore a bit thin today, but as for all of us, there’s always a cold beer at the end of the day!

      • @Pecunia Nervus Belli
        Pathetic Yeah maybe… but that’s just me a very flawed human.
        I write it as I see it, if you want the PC or self censored version of me than you’re 5hit our of luck because I’ve decided not to do self censorship. So yeah I’m a privileged asswipe but that’s not news to anyone, I do what I can to stay fit but we’re all getting older and will all eventually die. Personally I doubt that I have the patience to wait for death to come knocking on my door so I suspect I’ll be the one determining when I exit this world. I made this decision after seeing my own Mum drag on and on and on. One hospital stay followed by the next when there was no chance that any of these stays could possibly treat her dementia they just unnecessarily (and expensively) prolonged a life that wasn’t worth living.
        Trust me I know how pointless extending Mum’s life was…I won’t make the same mistake.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Fisho just for the record, I’m with you as far as lack of political correctness, please stay uncensored. You’re allowed your opinion.
        Btw right up your alley calculations for rpm and hp required, remove VFD, change gearbox, originally American motor volts and Hertz, change from 1.5 to 2 hp ? direct drive was r /a n g le with s/s claw coupling on hex shaft. Lucky I have the internal hex broach

      • @Boom Not sure I understand your question?
        American power system is 60 hz 110V whereas Australia we use 50Hz 240V
        A typical US synchronous electric motor will run at 3600RPM whereas the Aussie motor will run at 3000RPM
        That said most electric motors are not synchronous rather they are Induction motors and run at a slower rotation rate than the AC electrical signal and generate rotational Torque proportional to the slip angle.
        Cheaper motors are usually so called “Universal Motors” and actually operate more like a DC motor than AC motor, with Universal Motors the peak RPM is limited only by friction and load so under no-load conditions this type of motor can easily spin so fast that it will rip itself apart.
        I kinda need to know what type of Electrical motors are being used before I have any idea how to modify for the target application.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Knew you were the man. At the cafe arm so by memory and haven’t started to look at it yet.
        Thanks for the input, I’ll sort it out but know who
        to ask .
        Hoping to use 3 ph so that could solve torque issue after a few calculations.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Attention thought police, felony above, sexist comment to the tune of ”You’re the man” but your the person doesn’t ring right.
        Rue the future day of bland, flavorless,rhetorical lack of communication.

    • drunkeness, drug taking, swearing, falling down


      Add giving the left handed mouse a good workout and that is my exact plan for the long weekend.

    • TailorTrashMEMBER

      So Im driving through Wellington NSW on my way to somewhere else
      ……as you do
      Big sign at a servo as you enter town said … “party ice sold here “. Very apt I thought ….or is that code too obvious

      • I was in Warragul and saw may ten cars in a few k with numberplates 1CE – … and asked my sister were they advertisong it. Big problem down there.

  3. A piece on land tax has popped up over at The Atlantic.


    It’s strange to think about how popular Mr George was. He was the right person, with the the right idea at the right time. Actually, more the right message. His book Social Problems barely mentions the land tax. It talks about inequality and how it is a blight upon society. The problems he is describing in late 19th century New York are worse than today, but only by degree, not type.

  4. Mining BoganMEMBER

    Legal types, a question re Michael West article ..if a big corporation takes Australia to the WTO how much of the inner workings of the company has to be revealed? As in say Huawei having to show there’s nothing dastardly lurking deep beneath.

    Or is it up to our government to prove dastardly behaviour?

    • Not sure about the answer to your exact question, but related to it, this was published two days ago:


      Who Owns Huawei?
      15 Pages Posted:
      Christopher Balding
      Fulbright University Vietnam

      Donald C. Clarke
      George Washington University Law School

      Date Written: April 15, 2019

      As Huawei has come under increasing scrutiny over the last several months, the question of who really owns and controls it has come to the fore. Huawei calls itself “employee-owned,” but this claim is questionable, and the corporate structure described on its website is misleading. A number of pertinent facts about Huawei’s structure and ownership are in fact well known and have been outlined many times in the Chinese media, but the myth of Huawei’s employee ownership seems to persist outside of China. This article, drawing on publicly available sources such as media reports, corporate databases, and court cases, aims to refute this myth once and for all.

      In summary, we find the following:

      • The Huawei operating company is 100% owned by a holding company, which is in turn approximately 1% owned by Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei and 99% owned by an entity called a “trade union committee” for the holding company.

      • We know nothing about the internal governance procedures of the trade union committee. We do not know who the committee members or other trade union leaders are, or how they are selected.
      • Trade union members have no right to assets held by a trade union.

      • What have been called “employee shares” in “Huawei” are in fact at most contractual interests in a profit-sharing scheme.

      • Given the public nature of trade unions in China, if the ownership stake of the trade union committee is genuine, and if the trade union and its committee function as trade unions generally function in China, then Huawei may be deemed effectively state-owned.

      • Regardless of who, in a practical sense, owns and controls Huawei, it is clear that the employees do not.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Thanks, that is what I was edging towards. Because the case is about security I’m wondering how much of not knowns in that paper would have to be revealed at the WTO.

        Guess we’ll have to find out afterwards…you know, like free trade agreements.

    • MB as far as I understand it, only member countries can bring a WTO case, not a company or individual. This is normal enough international law. So Huawei would have to convince a country to bring the case on its behalf.

      I realise this doesn’t address your main point re Huawei’s requirement to disclose!

    • Huawei are firstly a business that tries to make money like any other and secondly a large and effective arm of the Chinese intelligence services.

      Actually, first and second can sometimes get mixed up there.

      No sane organisation or nation would touch them with Reusa’s dick.

    • “They say heavily discounted blocks now for sale in Merrifield and cash rebates of as much as $65,000 have impacted on their valuations – claims flatly rejected by MAB Corp.
      “These purchasers have complained that blocks of land at Merrifield are now being sold at a lower price and this is affecting their valuations,” said MAB Corp chief operating officer David Hall.
      “We have explained that this is not possible as valuations provided by their financiers’ valuers are determined by comparative sales in the catchment and that valuation practice is to exclude ‘off-the-plan’ sales evidence.

      I’m afraid all these distressed ‘buyers’ are wrong. It’s there in black and white – it’s not possible….

      • I love it, our asset price/valuation is not influenced by market activity.
        Where have I heard that lie before?
        Mark to Market
        Mark to Model
        Mark to Myth
        No no no none of these outcomes can be correct because I’d be insolvent…and I’m clearly not insolvent …so all the above valuation measure are obviously wrong…just look at the value of all these assets on my books!
        It’s amazing just how blind people are to reality when reality causes them to question the basic tenants of their faith. Remember that in Australia there’s no stronger faith based religion than the Real Estate cult.

    • Lol @ speculators.

      Also lol @ the developer company which is clearly sweating heavily as sales and settlements both crash to a halt … it’s not going to help speculators out, it’s in dire straits itself.

  5. The NT fracking story is a worry. It would appear that our manufactured gas shortage is a reason to frack. With our energy “market” it is hard to see it reducing prices. The call will be for more supply. And the fracking will expand complete with its known environmental problems.

    This is an excellent podcast on the gas market in Australia. The jaw drops even if you have been following HnH’s coverage of the issue.

    Show blurb.
    Following episode 553 (Another strange sojourn in Australia’s resource and energy policy) we delve deeper into the economic issues behind the gas price gouge with Bruce Robertson (IEEFA). We discuss policies to reduce gas prices as per international best practice. In light of further consolidation in the industry, we discuss how gas sets the baseline price for energy production in the nation. How much could energy prices fall if we got the gas price back to its’ long term price range?

    • Would you prefer it if companies were allowed to mislead and deceive investors without fear of any consequences?

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        No, not at all. Just wondering how often these actions are justified and how often they’re sour grapes at taking a loss.

        Lord knows our current affairs shows are full of examples of ‘someone should do something to bail out my stupid choices’.

    • The mechanical and electrical work packages for these tunnel projects are treated as an afterthought and always seem to run late and over budget. The bid leaders/project directors for these major projects are typically civil engineers and don’t seem to have any empathy for the complexities of electrical and mechanical work package and from the projects I’ve worked on always under resource electrical and mechanical estimating and engineering resources during the tendering stage. I am not surprised with the cost over runs on North Connex. It’s early days down on CPBs westgate project and I’m hearing things have been missed on the electrical side – entire switch rooms!!

  6. Why Australians should buy homes NOW if they want to make money – as experts reveal the sneaky ways to get the best bargains
    Dominique Grubisa runs the DG Institute which gives seminars on buying homes
    She is urging Australians to buy an investment property before the law changes
    Negative gearing will be scrapped for existing property if Labor wins election


    Buy now or miss out on profit, loosers

  7. Wendover Productions – how cheap is it to transport goods by rail:

    2.5 US cents per tonne per km

    Trucks do it for 13 US cents per tonne km

    Air freight costs 75 US cents per tonne km


    It’s high time Australia changed its current road user charges for trucks.

    Australia should be following the lead of New Zealand, Switzerland and some other European countries and introducing a charge system based on mass and distance.

    In New Zealand a heavy six axle semitrailer pays 56 cents NZ (about 52 Australian cents) per kilometre in mass distance charges. In Australia, the same truck hauling 100,000 km a year or more pays registration and fuel road user charges of less than 17 cents per kilometre.


    • Postage costs a fortune already. If you tax trucks more you’ll end up with more expensive shipping costs and it already costs a fortune to send anything here. Perhaps we should build more rail lines?

    • 100% agree. But, it requires some Government initiative to organise roll-on roll-off infrastructure to transfer goods between rail and plane or ship. Until now, State and Federal governments in Australia have been too lazy or disorganised to get it done.

      • WhatcouldgowrongMEMBER

        From what I’ve read it seems they’ve been captured. I read a while ago about Keating saying that they couldn’t do anything about rail because of Lindsay Fox. It’s well understood the damage wrought by trucks but there’s a few political hurdles to get over to change anything.

    • the chinese were only ever about getting their money out of china, regardless of a few losses…

    • Australese people seem to have a long term view.

      “When I speak to Chinese developers, almost all of them tell me they plan to operate across Australia for many generations to come –-building apartments for their grandchildren’s children.”

  8. GunnamattaMEMBER

    I reckon the ALP is prepared to thumb its nose at Rupert now is because they know he is exceptionally old, they know the intellectual limits of the Rupert mindset are pretty exposed, and they know Rupert doesnt have the grip of new media that he had on the old……but also i think there is a generational thing here. Rupert is a big Baby Boomer entrenched entitlement kind of guy. I think the ALP is planning to surf the wave of riding the subsequent (increasingly outraged) generations to electoral status quo, which means they are now in move to buttress future entitlement.

    ‘Scare campaigns’ and ‘propaganda’: Why a fed-up Bill Shorten has turned on News Corp


    • Good on him. First thing Shorten should do if elected is break up Murdoch’s newspaper hold and take Sky off the air.

    • Rupe cant swing elections anymore. Readership too old/low.
      Bill can afford to ignore him.

    • Isn’t a BB born after WW 2. By the looks of Rupert he’d be a WW 1 child. I’m not sure what you call them. He’ll be gone before long unless he’s got some live forever juice from the silicon valley liberals lol

    • The Traveling Wilbur

      The bottom of that article deomstrates two other things:

      A) Scientists shouldn’t be left in charge of children (under 8).
      B) It’s genetic. LOL.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        What were the fat genes doing back then, out for a walk were they?

        Far less easy and cheap access to very high calorie (especially sugar) foods ?

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Yeah nah, can’t be. Plenty of fatties will tell you it has nothing to do with their diets.

    • Monty Python, Faulty Towers, Love Thy Neighbour, Kingswood Country, Magic Roundabout….

      • The Traveling Wilbur

        Even the Muppets would be stuffed.

        (too much hilarious violence (especially domestic))

        Quite serious btw. (not that there is anything funny about domestic violence – which is kind of the issue when pig hits frog, repeatedly, for lols)

    • Then right epic comedy for today.
      Tre and Matt from Southpark have been doing it for over twenty years.
      The Boots Riley film ‘Sorry to Bother You’ from last year was wickedly funny.
      Just like when Mr. Elton was younger they are comedy writers who are mocking the times, not complaining about what they can or can’t do. He would have had the same thing written about him by someone who is now his age when he was at his peak.

      • Yes, true to some extent. I believe Ben Elton was part of the “Alternative Comedy” movement of the early 1980’s which aimed to be less sexist and racist, compared to the comedy of the 1970’s (and, in the case of live comedy, less offensive to the live audience). Whether things have gotten more restrictive today, compared to the 1980’s or 1990’s, is difficult to say.

      • Pecunia Nervus Belli

        LOls – yeah making fun of homsexuals being in the closet is really pc.

        Slurs on religion.

        Seriously – nothing like South Park could start up today – its only allowed to exist because – money.

    • FiftiesFibroShack

      If a show is funny there will be a market for it. But I suspect something like Blackadder would barely get a laugh out of today’s yoof. And before we break out the PC fainting couches, let’s not forget there’s no shortage of contemporary comedy which would have been banned or censored into nothingness back in Ben’s day.

  9. GunnamattaMEMBER

    Once a particular migrant community is exhorting a line with considerable unanimity which accords with the political processes of their homeland, then Australia really should be clearly identifying and explaining the management of the risks stemming from that.

    ‘Uncharted territory’: WeChat’s new role in Australian public life raises difficult questions

    • I’ve read ~6% saturation of a new idea is enough to turn the herd……. Add maniacal persistence etc……

  10. Bumper sticker sighting.
    “If you earned it Labor will steal it.”

    All caps of course.

    • The Traveling Wilbur

      “If you’re earning it Liberals will give you more of it. By selling what everyone already paid for earlier or by making poor people poorer.”

      It was on a bus.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Yeah so true and is why everyone must vote for the Liberal Nationalists over commie Labor.

      • There is a small element of truth to it, I pay horrible amount of tax, so I sometimes understand why the rich feel the way they do since they pay much more tax than poorer folks often do. I’d have no qualms about it, if I felt others were not openly cheating the system. Through complex accounting structures etc..

  11. boomengineeringMEMBER

    What a horrible experience The Show is. An example of crowd jamming we are heading for if our immigration rate isn’t curtailed. Can’t wait to get out.
    Looking at RE up & down the coast but prices are ridiculous everywhere.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        In the Fifties at Claremont the crowds didn’t bother me being young but as I referred to, an example of how horrible close proximity to hordes of people is, should have been a determent to high immigration, even in the 1800’s to older generations leading the country. Populate or perish doesn’t apply anymore. Nowadays it could be populate AND perish.

  12. innocent bystanderMEMBER

    The truth about expired food: how best-before dates create a waste mountain – Guardian

    interesting. I buy a lot of fresh food, I shop at least twice a week.
    but my pharma are usually out of date after the 1st use. I’m not a big drug taker.
    had a fever last week so took some paracetamol – well past it’s expiry date.
    also some anti itch cream – many years out of date.
    friends say No, No … their chemical composition has probably changed.

    they lurved that banana smoothie I gave em tho – can’t stand brown bananas myself.

    • I’ve got a jar of jalapenos in the fridge. The label says ‘Good for two weeks after opening’. Three months later I’m still going at ’em like Crankydaks after a water buyback. Mind you, the farts are rancid.

    • If the Liberals get voted back in I’ll cry into my cornflakes for hours. But then again, this country…

    • Honestly can’t see the liberals winning. The MSM is in love with the liberals and doing all they can to make them look palatable, but sentiment has shifted in the community and the MSM are not as powerful an influence as they had once been. It’s the reason why, in my opinion, Bill Shorten is able to tell Rupert to go get stuffed.

      • GunnamattaMEMBER

        I cant see the Torynuffs winning either, but I could imagine they would claim a ‘win’ if they can hang on enough to deprive the ALParatchiks of either a majority in the Senate, or possibly even a tight House situation.

        The Liberals are so utterly reviled this is about their last game. But I do think ALP campaigning that I am aware of thus far has not been all that flash, and I am aware of some Union related polling in marginal seats suggesting they need to pull their fingers out if they want to really form government (with a workable majority) and push a platform through. Interestingly that polling I saw mentioned population pressure and there remains no sign of the ALP coming clean on immigration (by far the biggest chunk of population). I expect things will really heat up once ANZAC day is out of the way. I have still seen no sign of the much vaunted solar plan I was told they were leaning towards after the Vic state election last year.

  13. An author recommendation for lovers of language.
    Ward Farnsworth has released books on rhetoric and metaphor that collect and organise examples of their use. They are good fun. The downside is that most writing and speaking seem very empty after taking it all in. His book on Stoicism is also a nice intro to that topic.

    • yeborskyMEMBER

      Thanks for the recommendations, foots. The volumes on rhetoric and metaphor look very appealing.

  14. ‘Expensive new house’ sparks investigation into lawyer


    If a lawyer who owns his own firm can’t afford a house legally, then one has to wonder who is purchasing all those properties in the 2-3m range…

    • “(The judge) allowed the couple to access $2000 a week from their bank accounts, “the amount of the living expenses reasonable to their station in life, their age and their health”.
      Excuse me? It’s because they couldn’t afford their ‘station in life’ that they embezzled their clients’ money! $500 a week looks to be about fair. And what of the ‘station in life’ for those that have been defrauded? We don’t yet know if or when they will be fully reimbursed. And if not, then what?

  15. haroldusMEMBER

    Also, I came back to Sydney from Newy today, at about 4.00pm.

    The traffic going North was at walking pace from about Sparks Road, back to Hornsby!

    And yesterday goin past Hexham to bero, the traffic was backed up from the end of the freeway (where they have put in lights instead of that huge roundabout) all the way to Hexham bridge.

    Sydney, on the other hand was fckin sweet!

    Happy holidays!

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Was arriving back in Newtown like a Priscilla moment for you? Did you go straight to The Imperial for a dance?

    • Made the same trip from Port Macquarie yesterday. I reckon you could have added another 2 hours to the north bound trip. Sydney was a ghost town from Olympic Park to the Shire.

  16. https://chinachannel.org/2019/04/16/lrp-hongkong/
    “The Chairman of Everything Xi Jinping has emerged from the annual parliamentary meetings facing a rough year ahead. China’s economy is growing at its slowest in nearly three decades, amid a massive trade war and spiralling local debt, with rumblings of discontent from delegates about everything from the Belt and Road Initiative to Made in China 2025. Louisa and Graeme are joined by Andrew Collier of Orient Capital Research and Ryan Manuel of Hong Kong University, who argue that both political and economic decentralisation is underway, laying Xi vulnerable to forces beyond his control.”

  17. Just went past Mt Isa, doing approximately 980km/h … so long, suckers. (Where ‘long’ takes the value of ‘3 weeks’)

      • Holy crap! And I thought coffee was expensive in Australia…. a mug of coffee: 22AED! By this measure, BNE coffee is quite affordable!

      • TailorTrashMEMBER

        Have flown over India many many times and even in a 747 at 30,000 feet I could always literally smell the Sh1t . Wonder how Modi is doing on getting more toilets in place as he promised . Now that’s a measure more relevant for India than GDP

  18. Off to Lake Tinaroo for o/n camp. Just read this Reading Slaughterhouse Five in Baghdad – essay about the trauma of war in the Washington Post, which is why is an outline link. Happy Easter all


    • New Order could have a few. Ceremony, Age of Consent and Blue Monday (especially Blue Monday) jump to mind. Same with The Cure. Iggy’s Lust for Life. Pixies with Debaser and Here Comes Your Man. AC/DC and The Church both have a few. Black Sabbath is another band with a few. This list could blow out very, very quickly.

      edit: The Damned’s Life Goes On. It then became Eighties by Ki11ing Joke before finally becoming Nirvana’s Come As You Are.

    • Disposable heroes by Metallica. So much aggression, you knew someone was calling you when that song was your ringtone

    • Capital Appreciation

      The Mark Of Cain’s Familiar Territory makes a cool and scary ringtone though it doesn’t really fit into the original post’s definition. Amazing Adelaide band who most readers won’t have heard of. Tighter than a pigs ar$e live and this song has a slick time change at the start. The film clip is hilarious too.


    • Ansamachine – Mindless Drug Hoover
      Ashes To Ashes – Faith No More
      Baked Beans – Mother Goose
      Bug Powder Dust – Bomb The Bass
      Can’t Get Enough – Supergroove
      Children – Robert Miles
      Dead Eyes Open – Severed Heads
      Even Flow – Pearl Jam
      Erroll – Aussie Crawl
      Everyday Formula – The gurge
      Take Five – Dave Brubeck
      Swinging Safari – Bert Kaempfert
      Numb – Linkin Park
      You Stupid Carnt – Derek &. Clive (highly inappropriate)

  19. More NDIS cluster-F’s

    I do sometimes wonder about the real purpose/ intention of a scheme when the implementation is so F’ed that nobody involved is really happy with the system.
    In this case you have to ask just who is responsible for building rectification.
    Interestingly things could have been even more complicated if this had been a Rental property.
    What would happen if NDIS authorized / approved and paid for necessary disability upgrades to a rented house?
    Who would be responsible for restoring the house to original condition. (trust me: there’s zero demand for a disabled bathroom in the non-disabled community). So logically every disabled renovation undertaken for NDIS needs to have funds set aside to undo these upgrades. It gets even more complicated if the upgrades aren’t council approved in the first place.
    Here’s the real kicker: Can a recently disabled person really wait for all the council approval before work is undertaken to make the house that they reside in livable for them? Maybe they need ramps and wheel-chair accessible toilets and these huge “wet-room” disabled showers and they need the reno’s done before they can released from hospital (that means 6 weeks or less, not the Council approved 8 months or more route).
    In steps NDIS with reno money and project managers and approved Builders and and and (everything except said council approval) In this case the guy want’s his house restored to original condition but whose job is that?
    NDIS is a poorly thought through CF of a scheme, everything about it stinks…but how can it be done differently?
    Maybe the real problem is that the underlying goals of NDIS are simply not achievable for social, cultural, religious, logistical and legal reasons. Maybe this was always the way this scheme would operate (the only way that it can operate) and in that sense anyone expecting a different outcome is rather naive.
    IMHO NDIS is just a scheme for spending much more money on Disabilities to achieve a much worse outcome….but surely someone benefits ….

    • We have found that you have to source private carers because the big carers load about 50% admin costs onto their carers wages. Still with that you can only afford about 20 hrs/week from a carer and the rest is still down to us.

      Allied Health professionals are the real problem but you need them to source home improvements. As to disabled ablutions there is a mob in Adelaide who do one ready to install in a fibreglass building that goes on a truck but you still have to bolt it on to a bedroom and run the pipes…..about $14,000 last I looked. Bottom line you are on your own with a steep learning curve but it is a help but not much more than you could have got from the old State system and they gave you professional help. You have to hope your health holds up until you give in and put them in a home when it gets too much.

    • – Politicans demanding an implementation date that was realistically unachievable, but was politically expedient;

      – Applications by valid claimants already receiving State support, being declined by hurriedly employed assessors with no medical knowledge or experience (by their own admission);

      – Cessation of generally good quality support mechanisms at the State level due to introduction of the NDIS;

      – People without the ability to effectively advocate for themselves left to do just that;

      – People with substantial wealth and intellectual savvy having their child accepted into NDIS while others with more pressing needs and few resources are rejected because they didn’t “talk the talk”;

      – Some early recipients in particular given generous aspirational packages that were arguably excessive to the point of frivolous, while later recipients struggled to get the basics;

      – Open acknowledgement that there was nowhere near enough professional service provision available to meet the demand created by the NDIS and the effective privatisation of many previously Government funded services;

      – Invitations to information sessions about the NDIS where the convenors knew next to nothing useful for pending applicants, but were very focused on drumming up interest among any potential would be service providers;

      – Many of these would be service providers clearly lacking any experience in the relevant fields, but presenting as entrepreneurial types looking to reap their share of the riches from yet another inefficient taxpayer funded gravy train. Think VET scheme types all over again, once again positioning to exploit some of our most vulnerable.

      These are some of the aspects we have encountered while dealing with the NDIS, and it holds the promise of much more grief to come. It is the same old way that we keep doing things in this country, and I put most of it down to BS neo-liberal style economic thinking, in hand with the constantly increasing pressure placed on a system not equipped or financed to deal with a rapidly increasing population.

      That we can’t do better in a wealthy advanced country like Australia is shameful. Trying to deal with it would be enough to send some people over the edge, and I have no doubt that in time it will.

      • Please don’t misunderstand me I have the greatest admiration for people who struggle through life dealing every day with their own disabilities or the disabilities of a loved one.
        It pains me to see a system like NDIS where Mega money is being spent for shitty outcomes what’s worse is that does not seem to be getting better. It’s like a parasite that has absorbed all the cash on offer and now punishes those very people that it was intended to help, so that the parasites can make more money proposing a better service which will never eventuate meaning even more money and so on.
        It is a truly cruel way to treat our most disadvantaged citizens

    • Nope, not going away anytime soon. Morrison’s in panic mode, “this has been looked at, Senate has seen the documents etc, nothing to see here, move on” even dragged out the Agriculture Department to roll out the obligatory “above board” statement. Can they do this in caretaker more? Nothing short of a Royal Commission into the operations of this Government is required.


      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Did not Caretaker Pm Scummo call the election in a sudden hurry? The day before water was to be under the microscope in Senate estimates?

        I wonder if they knew someone was dogging around. The speed that @MsVeruca was banished from Twitter might suggest just that.

      • Very much so Mr Bogan. On Friday 12th of April, the day after the election was called and caretaker mode was entered into, the following was to be considered at Senate Estimates:

        9.00am Department of Agriculture and Water Resources
        Water Policy
        Murray Darling Basin Authority

        9.00am Department of the Environment and Energy
        Commonwealth Environmental Water Holder
        Commonwealth Environmental Water Office

        …not to mention dissolving parliament to avoid budget estimates hearings. The APH website is full of wounders.

  20. GunnamattaMEMBER

    As someone with kids (12 and 6 ) who looked into getting my Mrs to work and at the cost of childcare, this was what i found. If she worked there was virtually no advantage to the family, insofar as childcare alone would cream her likely earnings and the diminution of Family Tax Benefit took care of the rest.

    So thats meant that Mrs Gunnamatta has stayed at home.

    ‘It’s not viable for me to work’: Ninety per cent tax for a day’s work

    • What annoys me with this sort of thing is how deceptive it is to portray the reduction in childcare benefits as income increases as a tax increase, and then conflate that with tax brackets and rates – though it’s obviously done to a) promote the “RARGH, TAXATION” narrative and b) make it extremely difficult for people to properly examine the two issues independently.

      Even within the deliberate obfuscation it creates, it doesn’t raise any of the obvious questions that fall out, like “if family benefits are calculated based on family income, why isn’t taxation also based on family income”.

      • Exactly. I think this story is being run (out of no where) to try to divert voters attention to the issue of tax and tax cuts. It is a manipulation. An example of the dark forces behind Channel 9 exerting control over Fairfax.

      • “Even within the deliberate obfuscation it creates, it doesn’t raise any of the obvious questions that fall out, like “if family benefits are calculated based on family income, why isn’t taxation also based on family income”.

        Spot on drsmithy.

        Permitting income splitting, even if just up to a reasonable ceiling would afford couples the benefits of two income free thresholds and the lower tax brackets. It would reduce the need, perceived or otherwise, for taxpayer support of individual choices.

        It would also acknowledge the practical reality that the higher earning member of a couple, be they male or female, generally considers their earning efforts to be made for the collective benefit of the couple/family.

        But apparently when it comes to what we owe, we are all self-serving individuals, but when it comes to the support we receive, we are all caring sharing family types.

    • Not sure how they state in the headline it is basically a component of tax? It is a cost … yes childcare is expensive but so are a lot of things. Are they going to include the costs to feed and cloth children, for example, as well? Why is it now seen as some sort of entitlement people should have? …………. It is up to the family to decide how to approach it .. perhaps the parent is better at work even though it may be dollar value neutral… experience gained, promotion potential etc

    • GunnamattaMEMBER

      I completely agree with both of you. It isnt per se a ‘tax’ issue. But the basic sums we were looking at meant that for every dollar likely to be earned there would have been as much going out the door in either childcare costs and income (in the form of family support payments) going out the door.

      Yes there is considerable entitlement in the world of dual income highly remunerated types who think having their tax concessions reduced is a form of higher taxation

    • My kids are at school now so childcare costs are now minimised. When they were younger we used childcare and it was expensive, so we went to 4 days and 3 days a week respectively, then had grandparents for 1 day meaning childcare for 1 day only. The low tax rate from me going to 4 days and her going up paid for the childcare. People need to work their numbers and remember that their children didn’t ask to be born, parents have to bear the economic cost of bringing the kids into the world.

    • Professor DemographyMEMBER

      My husband and I rely on two incomes to keep our housing wealth tracking along. Our leaders have set up our economy so just those most willing to push the envelope with their family time can get ahead the most. Once this is set up they can’t take it away.

      • Yeah but having the missus work to help pay the mortgage was already a thing nearly sixty years ago. These women were factory workers so not from the upper echelons of society but my guess is that back then factory workers were not the working poor as many are these days.


    • If we have kids, I am relying on the Grandparents to do the day care thing and the missus to work part time. Heck I may even work part time IF i buy a house with a small / meagre mortgage or even (if prices keep sliding) am able to buy almost outright.

      • There is nothing better than a mother staying home to care for her babies if you can afford it. Govt would rather they work though, taking kids to mother-inlaws a couple of days a week is not easy either they end up meddling in your life too much.

    • This is where I’ll always remain a free market small government advocate
      The solution is to reduce taxes and put this money back into the hands/pockets of individuals. It’s the job of each individual to manage their budget for their particular circumstances and their optimization. Inserting anyone else into the equation just guarantees that the outcome will be sub-optimal for everyone. Of course individuals that can afford to still have a social obligation to support their community, if for no other reason than to prevent the community from finding it’s own solution to wealth inequality (midnight requisition systems etc)
      I remember reading somewhere that the total taxes collected through Income tax in Australia more-or-less equaled the total budget for all the various forms of Government Welfare. Logically if there were no welfare than there’d be no need for Income tax…no need at all.
      Australia as a country is sort of unique in from this perspective (bit like Norway and Saudi Arabia) makes one wonder why we’re not finding our own optimized operations corner that really suits our sort-of unique circumstances.

      • This is where I’ll always remain a free market small government advocate

        I think the word you want is “fantasist”.

        The solution is to reduce taxes and put this money back into the hands/pockets of individuals. It’s the job of each individual to manage their budget for their particular circumstances and their optimization. Inserting anyone else into the equation just guarantees that the outcome will be sub-optimal for everyone.

        Reality disagrees. The net benefits to society of publicly funded education, healthcare, firefighting, police, justice systems, military forces, etc, etc, are inarguable.

        What happens in your preferred system is where we are heading back to, and what has dominated human history. Vast amounts of money and wealth controlled by a handful of people subjugating the rest.

        I remember reading somewhere that the total taxes collected through Income tax in Australia more-or-less equaled the total budget for all the various forms of Government Welfare. Logically if there were no welfare than there’d be no need for Income tax…no need at all.

        Indeed. For example, if one person paid all the tax and everyone else survived off the welfare that (supposedly) funded, then “logically” that one person not paying tax would result in the same outcome for everyone else.

      • GunnamattaMEMBER

        I dont even have an in principle issue with that.

        What I fail to see is why a country would have tax deductability which underpins a social good, when that tax deductability ensures that the social good only is plausible for a few.

        And embedding that scenario means that the country completely lets go of why it would be that the country has an employment, childraising and incomes/taxes framework which propagates market failure across the wider economy

      • I think the word you want is “fantasist”.
        Maybe but wouldn’t it be fantastic if such a world existed.
        I think where we differ is that you seem to assume that in a system with reduced taxation the individual is absolved of all social responsibilities, whereas I believe that within such a system the wealthy individual has both the opportunity and responsibility to play a much greater role in developing a social support system that really suits their community. If these individuals fail to act responsibly than the community has some obvious fall back solutions.

      • Maybe but wouldn’t it be fantastic if such a world existed.
        I think where we differ is that you seem to assume that in a system with reduced taxation the individual is absolved of all social responsibilities, […]


        I assume that they will continue to behave in the future as they have in the past because I haven’t seen any reason to expect a fundamental shift in human behaviour.

        Consider this: everyone who takes steps to actively avoid or “minimise” their tax obligation today, is someone who will fail your “social responsibility” test. The same excuses they use today to dodge tax, they will use in your world to avoid their “social responsibility”.

        […] whereas I believe that within such a system the wealthy individual has both the opportunity and responsibility to play a much greater role in developing a social support system that really suits their community.

        We did. It was called the modern social democratic welfare state. It is being steadily disassembled.

      • Fisho, unfortunately human nature varies widely. Bill Gates, Warren B, Chuck Feeney (google him) and examples like the McPherson Trust in Victoria support your noble objectives. In reality, Koch Brothers, Trump, Gina and others would prefer to wage the ideological wars, rather than give back their surpluses to less fortunate others.

      • Above I mentioned an NDIS case that highlights the stupidity of centralizing government backed care.
        Ask yourself if any individual, that was paying for this out of their own pocket, would accept dysfunction akin to that which today is simply de rigueur. in NDIS.
        They wouldn’t accept this sort of “nobody wins” outcome because they value both the time and money that they’re investing in the community, in a way they value the productivity that arises when someone that drew a bad hand actually wins. Surely this sort of social productivity is the ultimate goal of social welfare, otherwise we’d all be better off with other lower work solutions.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        Above I mentioned an NDIS case that highlights the stupidity of centralizing government backed care.

        Well if we are going to extrapolate fundamentally broken example into a general case, then the alternative you propose is vast numbers of people being left to die of starvation, forgotten, when they run out of money.

        The problems with NDIS don’t exist because it is publicly funded.

        They wouldn’t accept this sort of “nobody wins” outcome because they value both the time and money that they’re investing in the community, in a way they value the productivity that arises when someone that drew a bad hand actually wins.

        They wouldn’t be investing in the community in the first place. That’s why they devote so much time to undermining and destroying – either actively or passively – social support systems, for their own personal gain.

      • You are more patient that me Smithy. I can no longer give the tax cut team the benefit of the doubt that they are trying to put forward honest argument. Nobody can survey the wreckage of the neoliberal epoch and conclude we need tax cuts.
        We need a 75% top rate (per Menzies) and potential life sentences if you don’t pay it. I’m not going to defend that because everyone with a brain and a conscience knows it is right.
        The “lets all have lower taxes provided houses are cheaper” argument is just as odious imo. In other words “I don’t care about the less fortunate sick, disadvantaged, old etc. as long as I get a house”.

      • re. NDIS the way I think about it is this: In the neoliberal era almost any government program doesn’t need to be very efficient. Why? Because the opportunity cost – what the private sector would do with the same resources is very low.
        Chances are the private sector would do something dumb with the same resources like expand banking or something.

        So the calc. you need to do is, would you prefer more executives take money from dead clients and shareholders and deliver nothing to society in return, or a scheme like the NDIS even if not optimally efficient?

      • Heirarchy of expenditure efficiency (from most efficient to least efficient):

        1)You are spending your own money on yourself
        2)You are spending your own money on other people (who cares if they are happy?)
        3)You are spending other people’s money on other people (who cares if they are happy, or how much it costs?)
        4)You are spending other people’s money on yourself (who gives a damn how much it costs? Just feel the quality!)

      • I heard that Straya is full – that schools, roads, hospitals, unis and other infrastructure are all failing due to overcrowding.

        Don’t breed now!!

    • Child care’s not a tax per se but an opportunity cost. We had this dilemma 15 years ago when we had our two kids. The child care costs, even with grand parent support, meant Mrs Nut ended up working for $100 per week. Some weeks when the kids were sick, Mrs Nut ended up working for nothing as she was a casual. I had to work full time as that was my employment conditions and was non-negotiable. In the end it was worth it as Mrs Nut was able to maintain work skills and started a new career which meant she could pick up work wherever we went. We do sympathise with working parents especially in Sydney and Melbourne, the cost and stress with picking kids up in sh1t traffic must be hard.

      • The Traveling Wilbur

        Yes. Opportunity cost indeed. And as you describe above, with all such things, after a lot of hard work and a little luck, worth it in the end. Good on you and Butterfly for taking your turn at it.

        Ditto paying union fees.
        And waiting for the next redundancy programme at work (patiently).

      • Traveller, let’s just say we don’t ever want to live the experience again and think about how we can help our kids. In a so called modern society, there has to be a better way of doing things. Whities haven’t progressed, we’ve regressed.

    • Note how quickly and smoothly the plant in the audience changes the focus of the discussion onto racial issues and other such hot-button topics….blink and you’ll miss it.

  21. A lot of ppl out and about looking at property today in Brisbane. Property up to 800k hasn’t dropped a bloody cent. When will the bottom end feel the pinch?

    • Think about it this way.

      When finance gets tighter, buyers who used to be able to screw themselves out of 30 years of life for a $1.2 million property can suddenly only STOOTYOL for an $800k property. Since vendors won’t change their expectations in the early stages of a correction (don’t want to give it away, after all) the demand in the market moves downwards to lower value properties. It starts at the top, with multi-million dollar properties losing value first, and the effect filters down. Everyone lowering their expectations and taking their available finance to lower-value property auctions. $800k is just the level that a lot of people right now can get finance for…people who were previously $1.2m buyers. That is why $1.2m properties sit unsold and $800k properties sell more or less as usual.

      For this to turn around it will take a combination of:
      a) vendors of higher value properties getting desperate enough to meet the new market
      b) buyers realising that they can possibly return to aspiring to better properties, adjusting their expectations upwards for their price

      When this starts to happen, lower-value property vendors will eventually have to drop their prices as their buyers have deserted in search of better properties.

      As you can see, this is probably going to take time. Which means that the risks of the cycle being disrupted increase before it matures.

      A simple rule of thumb is that the top end of the RE market leads the middle and lower ends, in both directions.

  22. The poverty thing sums up the pointlessness and destructive nature of the welfare state.

    Why do we bail out people’s dumb decisions – or dumb people? If someone can’t finish High School, why are you taking from productive members of society to bail out the unproductive?

  23. boomengineeringMEMBER

    Fisho, bit vague this morn as just had a little trauma doing 50l– 60ks/hr with a front blowout.
    The project involved finding the min torque required using 50hz to match the proven 60hz system whilst increasingl the speed without a VFD . Before I start I need to ascertain viability of using 3ph and the machine is in an inaccessible glass enclosed clean room. The s/s motor was mounted vertically which caused the machine to fall over so they want it horizontal on a new gearbox and weight kept to s bare minimum.. In lieu of this will continue to fabricate weird shaped s/,s guard.

    • boomengineeringMEMBER

      Phone mistakes
      50 –60 klms/hr,
      increased speed not increasing speed.
      removal of the VFD, which was maxed out so calculations not based on 1:1. (will look into VFD % over.)
      s/s heatsink housing incorporated on motor (irrelevant ) (will shorten out put shaft to accommodate).

      • You had a rapid dismount at 50 kmh after a blowout?

        Jeez mate…take an early mark and have a lie down

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Yep hoping the lifetime of luck dosent run out.
        That S5 goes like the clappers downhill with 90kg on its back egged on with extra high gears. Can’t remember getting airborne when hitting the concrete rock but it certainly was slewing all over the place, minimized by rear braking only. The miracle being not comming off which seemed like a certainly at the time.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        In my teens was certain I’d be dead before 20 yo ( high diving into shallow water (belly flop type dive)) etc etc etc and couldn’t believe my luck on the 20th birthday.

      • Many years ago I was riding down the hill at Stanwell Tops at about 5am and had a branch flipup and jam in the spokes, I was doing about 70kms/hr when the front wheel folded in two . there was one narrow strip of grass about 1ft wide and 10 ft long which I managed to land on after a somersault dismount. Wheel was completely ruined so I had to walk to Wollongong and wait for the bike store to open. the only other damage was a torn Tshirt. I have no idea how I managed to somehow land on the only bit of grass around but that’s what happened, it’s weird how things like that work out

    • Why is adding a VFD a problem?
      For what you’re talking about I’d probably be thinking of using a drive similar to any Inverter style AC motor.
      This style of electric motor is called a Brushless DC motor (BLDC) It’s not really a DC motor rather it uses PWM electronics to create the driver waveforms for what is basically a 3 phase stator. The rotor is typically a permanent magnet.
      This sort of drive configuration is very common for Electric cars and high end washing machines so the electronics are easy to buy to suit the task.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Re VSD, Just doing what the client wants, in his defense the system stays the same speed so it would be just another item in the system. Thanks for input and will add to list of possibilities when I get some access to do a proper quote. Have done some CNC machines and servo motors, steppers as well. Bit of s/s milling,lathe work, welding and broaching in it as well. . That weird guard, just cut the shape making sure the plastic protector film was left in place but just realized its on the inside where it can’t be seen and the other side is on the outside, damm. Bit of polishing coming up.. Haste makes waste.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Just did a lat workout but couldn’t get it out of my head trying to remember that job not that long ago which had a BLDC in it. Hope it’s either forgotten about or job remembered by tomorrow morn. Glad you mentioned it as a normal 3ph was fixed into my plan before that.

      • Failed Baby BoomerMEMBER

        Low power BLDC motors and drivers (also called ESC – electronic speed controllers) are cheap because they are widely used in hobby applications and motorized scooters etc. What sort of power and rotation speed are you talking about here?

      • I’m assuming you want 3 phase power to handle in-rush (startup currents) for the 2hp motor.
        This is exactly where a BDLC can help because unlike an induction motor the inrush current can be controlled so you don’t blow the fuses every time you start the motor. With this in mind it is probably possible to do a 2hp single phase BDLC that has a sort of soft start which keeps the Maximum current below say 15A.
        Also if you want 150RPM you can look at motors that have many poles and directly deliver the torque you need without gearing. Look at the way most front load Direct drive washing machines work.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        Much appreciated Fisho. Speaking of inrush, have been taking the star delta system out of some table saws lately due to limited funds of clients, and putting up with delta inrush. I’ve done this as the inrush is limited anyhow due to the small diam of saw. This can’t be done for vertical bandsaws due to inertia of the big pulleys. The manual crossover systems I have found to be inferior to the timer- contactor and electronic systems due to the switches speed of contact resulting in arcing then fusing, although have repaired a few stacked multi cam switches. Soft start is not suitable for incilnators as the load is not static but has preload which result is the cage dropping until enough power then a sudden rush is experienced. This preload could also exists in long iron ore conveyors (apprenticeship at BHP) and large sag mills ( worked at Newcrest). Had one electronic job for Navy that they couldn’t fix for 6 yrs and another where the machine made in USA but the circuit board made in Britain which had closed down so we had to make our own. You may have guessed by now that I have no training in electronics, just perseverance..
        Thanks for the idea’s for preliminary design, after my bike ride this morn will tig weld the s/s guard then the next job for WE is a new rice washing machine which they can’t get to work so may have to make/install recycling holding tank and reconfigure the pipework.

      • boomengineeringMEMBER

        To clarify. Long iron ore conveyors are driven by worm gearboxes which won’t allow back feed so soft start can be applied but inclinators are rack and pinion so when the brake is released the soft start hasn’t the torgue at start up to resist the preload, VFD or similar being a better option there.

  24. Thoroughly enjoying the documentary.

    The English Civil War: Blood on our Hands .

    (Available on YouTube)

    Civil War is the most devastating manifestation of conflict.
    because it tears the fabric of family and community asunder.
    Tell me your English Civil War family history .

    Colonel John St Aubyn, The patriach of our family captured St Michael’s Mount for The Parliamentary Army in 1646.

    As always Samuel West is a most engaging Narrator

    • Governments are an easy root! It’s only tax payers money, as the pollies always tell us.
      (Though it doesn’t have to be as many of us on this site believe, even if we don’t believe in MMT)

  25. Jeez I knew ulhman was bad (and classic ‘insider’ msm), but this is bull. Replies are suitably scathing

    There is some very sharp work being done by the Coalition campaign team. The Opposition leader is pictured on a carousel at St Kilda and an hour later the PM says “Bill Shorten is on a cost merry-go-round”. Marriage of words and pictures for TV for those who want them. #auspol

    • Mining BoganMEMBER

      Uhlmann is a pathetic Liberal hack. It was his lies about about the SA power blackouts that set up the caning the Hungarian got from Jay Weatherill.

      Totally unemployable as a journalist, only as a mouthpiece.

      • He’s married to a labor pollie though. If he’s a liberal stooge then that makes him Australia’s George Conway.

    • He got absolutely smashed didn’t he? MSM is totally losing its strength in society. With tweets like these it is going be hard to turn that sentiment around

      • He replied blaming everyone else – the replies are gold.


        “Easter Sunday always follows a full moon so maybe that explains the hyper-partisan tools on left and right howling on social media. Take this short test: if you passionately back a party to triumph on May 18 maybe you’re the one that’s biased, not the journalists you are abusing.”

        Clearly a think skinned snowflake who deserves to get trolled into oblivion.

  26. WA clearance rates for the weekend.

    16 auctions scheduled, 5 reported, 4 passed in, 1 sold after auction.

    Clearance rate….. Drums, please, 🥁 20%!

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        F#cking Andrew Probyn on Auntie just dismissed it as something only twitter is interested in.

      • Tin ear much? He surely knew that Barry was going to lead with the water buyback so patently it was more than just twitter noise.

      • Hmmm! I hereby move the question to nickname him as mr Ibuprofen … with a similar effect of taking the pain away.

    • MB, in answer to your earlier question about Morrison’s sudden urgency on the 11th of April to call an election, Senate Estimates was going to to consider the following on the 12th of April:

      9.00am Department of Agriculture and Water Resources
      Water Policy
      Murray Darling Basin Authority

      9.00am Department of the Environment and Energy
      Commonwealth Environmental Water Holder
      Commonwealth Environmental Water Office

      Morrison had to kill that one pretty bloody quick by calling an election, going into caretaker mode and shutdown Senate Estimates.

      Andrew Probyn’s a d1ck, just a Twitter thing my azz. Still crickets at SMH who’s owned by 9 who’s Chairman is Peter Costello.

      “Labor sets government Monday deadline to answer questions about $200m water purchases in 2017”


      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Yeah, ta. Thought I’d seen in mentioned somewhere.

        Elections are usually called on the weekend and that’s what everyone was expecting. The sudden trip on Thursday was surprising but in the light of recent disclosures…well, they obviously don’t like people poking around their deals.

      • From my experiences with Coffee Club it’d be both. No doubt the franchise owners would have paid through their asses in franchise fees and rent. The only way to make any money would be to screw their workers. No excuse though for charging a fee for something that’s not delivered.

    • Someone here in the last week or so who had spent time in India referred to it as living a ‘dog eat dog’ existence. I really feel that is what we are rapidly approaching here in Australia. In truth it has been heading this way for some time, but it is only dawning on me recently how much it is becoming an expected standard of behaviour.

    • My local Thai takeaway was charging a “holiday surcharge” on Good Friday.
      When told, I said “But you are a family run and operated business”, I should have said something about Easter and their Buddhist trinkets on the back shelf behind the counter, to them its just another day and they don’t hit me with a surcharge on Buddhist festive days, but I wasn’t in the mood for a ding dong argument.
      I might add its a cash only business.

    • Something about history repeating if the Democrats get their way!
      “In what was widely regarded as a flawed trial, he was found guilty of plotting against the security of the State and collaboration with the enemy, after which, he was executed by firing squad”

    • Police said they were getting a Bangladeshi interpreter to help with their questioning once the arrested man returned to the station.

      Which reminds me of


      A Bangladeshi-born Australian resident admitted within minutes he killed his wife in their Sydney apartment, but claims he isn’t guilty of murder due to mental impairment. Shahab Ahmed has pleaded not guilty to the murder of Khondkar Fariha Elahi in February 2017, claiming the partial defence of substantial impairment by abnormality of mind.

      Police who arrived at the unit on the day of the stabbing found Ahmed with blood on the front of his tracksuit pants and were told he wasn’t sure how many times he’d stabbed her. The prosecution and defence both agree the stabbing came immediately after the couple argued about Ms Elahi’s secret affair with friend Omar Khan.

      And of course, deafening silence from DomainFax’s overfed women of privilege since the ‘optics’ of dumping on a vibrant, or suggesting that we are importing a lot of nasty cultural practices with our current obsession with immigration, don’t play well.

      Imagine the column inches if he were wh!te.

    • GunnamattaMEMBER

      “The richer you are, the more worried you are,” one very high-net-worth individual quipped. Another – this one a billionaire – suggested a Labor win would be “a disaster”. Both have their hands on the tiller of very large companies employing tens of thousands of people.

      Means:- Both have their hands on the livelihoods of thousands of presumably debt stressed employees who they wont hesitate to sacrifice if they think they are under threat from a new ALP government.

      In general, big business concerns reflect their belief that the economy is increasingly fragile and that Labor’s policies might tip the scales.

      Means:- Big business knows the Australian economy has its head stuck up its backside insofar as it is inwardly focussed, reliant on debt, tragically skewed to non productive investment, and populated by corporates who are essentially tax farming rather than meaningful economic entities, leaving them completely dependent on immigration policy continuing to run a population ponzi

      They fear retribution from a Labor government that has shown a disregard for their views on corporate tax, disdain for excessive pay and disgust at the way many have treated their customers.

      Means :- They fear retribution from a public which has voted in an ALP government on the back of disgust with their treatment as debt peons (banks and real estate), customer service revolving around being treated like peons (and having their calls recorded for coaching purposes) (telecoms, banks, electricity retailers, gas retailers), supporting the highest margin grocer retailers in the world, while being locked into the least satisfactory internet experience in the world, all while having their working conditions reamed as they watch on executives rolling in clover, all with a backing hallelujah choir provided by the mainstream media that corporate Australia squeezes by the nads anytime it thinks of producing anything not in line with corporate views – and which has until right now (see the corporate tax cut fail) had a government doing its bidding no matter how electorally unpalatable the idea is.

      One high-profile captain of industry who had been outspoken about Labor policies when it was last in office said the companies he was involved with were targeted.

      Means:- About twelve million low profile workplace participants who have been targeted by the existing government for 6 years (at least) who have been increasingly outraged by the behaviour of corporate Australia insofar as the services, the costs and the circumstances in which they force these services on Australians, and the bullshit foisted upon ordinary Australians in using these services, may lead to some impulse to ease up on the desire to feed Australia to Australian corporates.

      Overwhelmingly, the biggest single fear among business is industrial relations – they see Opposition Leader Bill Shorten as being captive to unions and are concerned about a rise in their power – and break-outs in wages and conditions.

      Means:- After a generation of treating Australian employees like chattels in terms of disposability, while crafting an economy which is completely (except for the mining players) inwardly focussed and completely uncompetitive with the rest of the world, while watching the orchestrators of this stroll off into the sunset with ever increasing amounts of ‘executive’ remuneration for trashing Australia’s competitive position, any rise of Australian workplace activism from the lowest levels ever recorded is traumatic for a corporate sector which has assumed that Australia is solely comprised of low hanging fruit for corporates.

      Rather than speak individually, business has relied on the cover of a pack – using lobby groups like the Business Council of Australia (BCA) to promote their views.

      But a year of advertising, paying for appearances on Sky News and hosting town hall meetings in the suburbs of capital cities doesn’t seem to have gained the BCA too much ground for its lobbying efforts.

      Means:- After a generation of the BCA becoming ever more abstruse in terms of its understanding of the Australian economy vis a vis those actually living in it – with the same parallel universe aspect of its demeanour underlined by its forays into Sky News, the Immigration non debate, and its tireless campaign for corporate tax cuts on behalf of a membership who are exceptionally good at avoiding tax to begin with – business leaders are wondering about their investment in the BCA, and the implications of a world other than that they know and are comfortable in being visited on them (even though they are paladins of tough unrelenting corporate warfare in a competitive jungle)

      At an ideological level, Labor’s Robin Hood movement to take from the rich and give to the poor clearly doesn’t resonate well for those perched at the top end of the wealth pyramid.

      “This politics of envy is a real concern,” a senior business leader noted this week.

      Means:- Those who have been taking from the people of Australia for a generation are a tad reluctant to give some of it back. Any sentiment to taking it back is ‘envy’ no matter how much like revenge it may feel, and regardless of how the taking of it by those corporate interests and 1% types has deformed what was a very competitive and diverse economy only 20 years ago – with that competitiveness and diversity needing to be rebuilt from the ground up, and needing to be paid for.

      “There is a high level of disquiet about Shorten,” said another, who added: “Some policies are very worrying. The living wage is a concern – particularly for small business.”

      Means:- a plethora of newsagents, bakers, franchisees, dress and toy shops, cafes, florists and tattslotto agencies, already solely reliant on tax farming to support their workplace fascism habit are concerned about losing face with the people suffering the first line of the workplace fascism.

      Those at the upper echelons of business are also critical about Labor’s tax policies on negative gearing, capital gains tax, cash refunds for excess franking credits and the taxing of trust income at 30 per cent.

      The effect that Labor’s proposed changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax will have on residential property values is foremost among the concerns given the steep falls in house prices we have experienced over the past year.

      The negative wealth effect, growth in impaired loans and a further tightening in credit are real risks cited by executives of small and large companies. The potential that this will spread to consumer spending and the broader economy is what worries them more.

      Means:- A political environment which has beaten a path to be be business friendly for a generation, and which has in that time crafted one of the worlds least diverse economies off the back of debt and mining revenues, means that once policy stick comes away from the kerplunk container in the name of capital misallocation there could be a whole load more to come.

      But banks executives are the least likely to criticise Labor policy – they are frightened of whichever party is elected.

      Means:- The banks which have feasted on serving intergenerational levels of debt on ordinary Australians and earning a fine living on squeezing Australians for Net Interest Margin understand that unless the coming government can negotiate the pack ice exceptionally well, one of them is highly likely to enter Australian economic history as a ‘bad bank’ into which a generations worth of finance sector dodgy loans are shoehorned in order to sacrifice the Australian financial sector of fiscal rectitude.

  27. haroldusMEMBER

    Any new, musically intelligent, not too aggressive music anyone can recommend?

    Good guitar but not shredding, doesn’t sound like studio musos?

    Sense of humour would be good.

    I’ll be back shortly, going for a number.

    • “They managed to scrape the deposit of $20,000 together for their first property” Sound right. But NOWHERE in the article does to say what their gearing on their current 17 properties is! Nowhere.
      Given he’s now a ‘property investor’ you’d have to guess it’s at least 80% LVR, and it won’t take much to erode the equity in that $9 million portfolio, and leave him with $7.5 worth of debt. Who knows what the collateral will be worth come time to sell up? I don’t. But at least I don’t have $7,5 million worth of debt; my life and my children’s life based on the hope that after arriving back from London with $1000 it will all go ok. (PS: Mate! Have a look at all the bad luck that’s gone your way, already in that article!)

    • The Penske FileMEMBER

      Doesn’t look right to me. $3m development site and WA property…. I’ve checked my emails and it doesn’t appear that I’ve come across him……. yet. I look forward to it.

    • He hasn’t retired from anything. Just looks like another chump who has paid for an advertorial to spruik his own buyers agency – which oddly enough seems to be the default position for many of these self proclaimed property gurus.

      • Yep, it’s always the same tired old play. Rags to riches from investing in property, oh, and by the way I have an investment company you should use. Well, if he is so rich from property investment, why is he having to start a company?

    • Just as expected. Each cyclical bull market in a secular bear will suck more and more bears into the market.

  28. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/cash-strapped-councils-blame-nsw-government-for-proposed-rate-hikes-20190418-p51fgx.html

    Fcvking surprise, NOT.

    Jam tons of new apartments into a suburb and despite the extra rate revenue, the numbers still don’t add up.

    The council’s application to IPART said an increase in residential developments had placed “significant strain” on existing infrastructure.
    “Whilst they do provide some additional rate income, the majority of these developments are being levied the current minimum rate of $602 per annum, which does not represent the cost of the additional services and facilities required by the increased population”

    Remind me again why the fvck we are doing this?

    • proofreadersMEMBER

      To ponzi nominal GDP growth and enrich the wealthiest and their mates of whatever political persuasion?

      • We need a party to come along with a new measure of their effectiveness, rather than GDP metrics, more to do with amenity / social outcomes.

    • To keep the nominal GDP growing.
      Provide growing markets for mates and CEOs.
      Provide a pool of cheap labour to suppress wage growth.
      Warm, fuzzy feelings.

    • A part of their cash strapped’ness is that a damn lot of these sheep councils invested ratepayers money in purposefully complex, swampy RMBS/big short type clap trap without doing their own DD. They had to be bailed out after the GFC & are still paying off large sums! I mean why would you just provide the basic services required when you can jack up rates & sting families more so the councils financial whiz could have a punt at the Casino with OPM/ratepayers money……?

      • Mystic MedusaMEMBER

        This! Years ago I was stunned when a rubbish collectors union rep told me that the local councils bought derivatives, futures and other risky shares with rate-payer money. He said that they were being wowed by trips to NYC and so on, enjoying the feeling of being ‘players.’ I had naively assumed that it would legally have to be spent or invested in the community. Now here we are.

      • And when the amalgamations went ahead the prudent who were sitting on actual dough were Financially amalgamated as well……. Bailing out the broke, preening, inept Aholes in other shires, which cost the prudent townships their savings & spending budgets for years to come as well as saddling them up to the consolidated debt of the others! There’s still plenty of system mismatch, settling in ructions & power trips…….. The good people stress while the psychopaths reign – still & always.

  29. We can get Jacinta Ardern to wear a cross too! She might even wear it the right way around too. That would be nice.

    I take it we are doing non sequitor Monday’s again…

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      Saw this on ABC news this morning and they said those responsible were !slamic extremists.
      But not at “The Guardian” nooo, it was just “religious extreamists” on their pages, no a mention of !slamists at all,…and yet all that howling about “Wh!te Supremacy” after some loan wolf white guy shoots up less than a quarter the number of the individuals killed by this Sri Lankan attack by a groupe of !Islamic extremists.

      The only mention of Islam by The Guardian was to quote a condemnation from some !slamic council based in the !slamoSupremacist State of Saudi Arabia where 100% of Citizens MUST be Followers of [email protected]

      Wonder if the !Islamic comunity will get a long lecturing monologue from Waleed Ali on this incident?

      • Mate – it was clearly the Buddhists.

        But looking into it, actually it was the Buddhist/Christian/Hindu/Zionist/Netenyahu conspiracy to defame the religion of pieces and besmirch the name of our favorite genocidal pedophile, may pieces be upon his name, Pedro.

      • Unless a wh!tey is the culprit, Waheed et al won’t touch it. You would think, for example, that we are due for a long piece in DomainFax from some overfed female about the rising tide of fatal domestic violence. In fact, we probably are. It is something that should not happen and should not be tolerated and I am serious about that.

        The problem is that the last 4 prominent cases, starting with the Indian dentist and his ex girlfriend, have all been perpetrated by non-wh!te males and there is a fatwah on highlighting their shortcomings, especially cultural ones, because, you know #notallbrownmen.

        Although you wouldn’t know it going by this:


        Indian victims of family violence have received more visas than any other nationality that allow them to stay in Australia even when their sponsors withdraw support for the visa applications.

        So Waheed, where ever you are this long weekend: go and get fvkced.

      • Isn’t this one interesting somewhat reminiscent of Bail bombing
        The Islamic Minority attacking a Christian Minority in a Country where the both the dominant Buddhist and secondary Hindu religions have not sympathy for either of these Minority religious groups.
        How could it be possible that the Police chief received detailed information (from a reliable source in Indian Intelligence) about both the Terrorist group (National Thowheeth Jama’ath) and the intended targets Catholic churches, but nothing appears to have been done to up disrupt the Terrorists or Inform the target organizations? It does seem to be a case of, two disliked minorities arguing/fighting while the Majority of the population sits back and thanks their gods that they’re not the target.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      So maybe to reassure the CCP of our honorable and submissive attitude towards them, we should let Huawei build our next Gen 5G network AND supply the electronics for all of our New Subs?

  30. The ABC is now showing reruns of the 2016 Edinburgh military tattoo – you’d think there is no breaking news…

  31. In the oz:
    Labor will today unveil a big pitch for the migrant vote in key marginal seats, promising a new uncapped long-stay parents visa that would be a quarter the cost of the Coalition’s proposed visa. https://t.co/NEi6ugcF6O

      • Labor promises uncapped long-stay parents visa at a quarter of the cost
        Families won’t be forced to choose between which parents or in-laws they could reunite with under Labor’s new parent visa policy. Picture: AP
        Families won’t be forced to choose between which parents or in-laws they could reunite with under Labor’s new parent visa policy.

        Labor will today unveil a big pitch for the migrant vote in key marginal seats, promising a new uncapped long-stay parents visa that would be a quarter the cost of the Coalition’s proposed visa.

        The opposition has been campaigning hard in NSW seats like Reid, Banks and Bennelong, and Chisholm in Victoria — all of which are Liberal-held and have high proportions of overseas-born voters — over the government’s slowness in delivering a new sponsored parents visa.

        The Coalition had promised the long-stay visa for migrants’ parents prior to the last election but the visa is not due to be delivered until July 1.

        Labor will today seek to gazump the policy, announcing an uncapped scheme, which will not restrict the number of parents each family can sponsor, at a cost of $2500 for a five year visa.

        The Coalition’s scheme is capped at 15,000 places, is limited to one set of parents per household, and costs $10,000 for a five year visa.

        “The Liberals broke their promise to migrant and multicultural Australians when they forced families to choose between which parents or in-laws they could reunite with — or which grandparents get to meet and spend quality time with their grandkids,” Labor frontbencher Chris Bowen said……

      • GunnamattaMEMBER

        One hopes (but almost certainly doesnt expect) to see some costings of that policy stunt.

        I assume its true. I think the current government is far and away the worst in Australian history. But right at the moment I find myself wondering if I shouldnt vote for them.

        Maybe the ALP is going to fund the doubling of Australian hospitals and medical facilities required…

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        That’s just f#cked.

        Will there still be the health insurance and wage requirements to bring in the future healthcare locusts?

        Edit: I told youse time and time again, never trust Chris Bowen. Spend time with the grandkids my arse…

      • The subsequent drain on health and support services will be a problem for the states, not Labor. Anecdotally, on our rare trips to the Canberra hospital for sporting injuries, the majority of the A&E patients in care that I saw were white elderly and houso’s. Proportionally there weren’t a lot of vibrants.

      • Never woulda guessed that Chris “Floodgates” Bowen would once again put the needs of foreigners first. I mean, at this point it must be some pathological white guilt for coming here and ruining it for the blackfellas right?

      • blacktwin997MEMBER

        Bowen even looks like a weasel. Despite hating the LNP and LAB and Greens equally, i’m also tempted to put LNP above the other two on the bases of both this potential elderly migrant arsekissing sellout and also that they should preside over the mess they’ve created.

    • Have been in 3 Melb eastern suburb playgrounds this morning. Over half families had non Oz grandparents of non working age. It has become a Tory.

    • We can let all these elderly and chronically unwell migrants in.

      Just understand that health expenditure is not going to increase, and there will be less access to healthcare for everyone. Longer elective waiting lists. Longer waiting times in overcrowded emergency departments.

      ALP have warned you what you are voting for. Chose wisely.

    • These people will not only access our health care system for treatment at public cost but in time receive an old age pension just like those born in Oz. The Indians and Chinese migrants will get their way with us over time, in fact it may not take that long, just another 10-15 years and they will pretty much control the country given their higher birth rates.

      But all you people just keep on keeping on voting for the Lib/Labs/Greens ahead of ON or some other party that will actually stem the tide (and I do not mean that yuppy nerd party known as SAP). One thing we have to ensure is that the ALP/Green government does not have control of the Senate or we are done and get worked over just like when Howard won control of the Senate in 2004 and really opened the flood gates for his mates.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        The fact that this is aimed directly at the migrant vote shows how powerful it is and that they already have control.

        Australia has gone.

      • We are a joke. Why should an Australian born person, who has paid tax all their working lives, have to wait extra time on a hospital waiting list, for the sake of sucking up to the migrant vote? Disgusting.

        We all knew this was going to happen when these two migrants groups starting coming here in large numbers.

    • The federal government needs to underwrite healthcare / hospital costs that go unpaid by these elderly migrants, when they don’t have proper health insurance / travel insurance. Why should state governments foot the bill?

      Scrap long-stay visas for elderly parents. Instead, keep tourist visas, and apply a higher tourist visa processing cost for those that elderly from certain countries that clog up our health system when they come here as ‘tourists’ and end up sick. The extra visa fees can go into underwriting these unpaid state hospital fees.

      And quality grandparent time can be spent in three month stints on the tourist visa.

      And at no time shall these long-stay visas convert across to PR / citizenship.

  32. Just checked the Sydney Liberal Herald to see if they’ve caught up with the water buy back fiasco. Nothing. Any election coverage story is also closed for comments. What is wrong with these people?

    • proofreadersMEMBER

      Presume you mean Costello’s SMH? If so, p. 5 of the hard copy edition today had a sizeable article about pretty boy Angus and Barnababy.

      • It’s also in the online version but you have to go digging for it once you get past the mostly lame front page headlines.

    • The Guardian’s live feed is giving the impression that the water buyback story has become THE political issue of the campaign so far.


      The boss of the Department of Agriculture and Water needs to be hung for putting his agency directly into the political debate when it is supposed to be in caretaker mode. He should resign immediately and his agency needs to immediately provide all documents relating to the claims he made in the letter he issued over the weekend. The caretaker convention has to remain sacrosanct.

      (anyone got another news feed of local politics, I find the Guardian’s efforts informative but it is a bit of a worry relying on only one info source).

      • Most of the senior people in the water bureaucracy have been put there by the Nats to facilitate their corruption.
        They are gone after the election anyway.

  33. https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6083381/morrison-hits-out-at-attacks-on-his-faith/

    Scott Morrison says “keyboard warriors in their mother’s basement” are responsible for online comments attacking his Christian faith.

    Scummo probably doesn’t realise how expensive it is to buy a house these days.

    Innes Willcox is scum of the highest order.


    The Australian Industry Group fears the possibility that the next government, particularly if Labor wins the election, may try to hurry industrial relations changes through the existing Senate before senators elected in the May 18 vote take their places on July 1.

    The Ai Group is also arguing against another recommendation of the Migrant Workers’ Taskforce, that criminal penalties should be introduced for serious and deliberate breaches of workplace laws.

    • proofreadersMEMBER

      Talking of ScoMo and his happy-clappy Horizon Church, Jacqueline Maley has done a feature piece on it in the GoodWeekend in the SMH this weekend – happy-clappies are a worry.

      • I wonder how many of the happy clappies realize that they are part of a doomsday cult.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Scummo went all faithy/speaking in tongues and made sure the cameras were there. He knew there would be ridicule and can now claim he’s being persecuted. Gives him something to talk about.

        He’s determined not to talk about policy and his own party.

      • Of course Scummo desperately wants to avoid a policy conversation; it’d be very short one.

    • `’Mother’s basement’ `
      Like, seriously, WTF???!!!
      What bloody country is this mate?
      Do we have basements in our houses in Australia? No, we have spare rooms you nong
      Jeepers I can’t believe he’s the Prime Minister

      • Well spotted – yes suggests that scummo is using an American off-the-shelf playbook on how to win an election. Interesting to see if he drapes himself with the Australian flag and mouths the words to the last post at the dawn service on Thursday.

    • Attenborough acts like he is the male personification of Mother Nature. A little too sanctimonious.

      • desmodromicMEMBER

        Attenborough has seen more of Nature’s richness and variety than any other. He is a witness to change over 65+ years and speaks from experience.

      • desmo, indeed, I don’t know how chase can label him as so. One of the champions of nature and how amazing it is.

  34. BoethiusMEMBER

    “The exercise at the port, financed and run by China, is loaded with symbolism: Sri Lanka is demonstrating that it retains strategic control of the harbour, while the US that wants to strategically counterbalance Beijing’s growing projection of military power and influence in the Indo-Pacific region, is bringing in its naval ships right into a Chinese-managed port.”


  35. Here is a useful mental exercise.

    Imagine Cold Chisel’s “Star Hotel” on kazoo.

    Even better listen to it and play along on kazoo.

    You’re welcome.