Will Labor defend democracy against the Chinese dictator?

Via The Guardian:

The New Zealand government’s relationship with China has come under the spotlight after a former CIA analyst in the US said the nation’s participation in the Five Eyes intelligence alliance needs to be reconsidered.

Giving testimony to the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission , Peter Mattis said Jacinda Ardern’s Labour party had accepted money from donors with links to the Chinese Communist party, while former prime minister Bill English had routinely briefed a National MP who was revealed to have worked at an institution that trained Chinese spies.

“Australia and New Zealand both face substantial problems with interference by the Chinese Communist party,” Mattis told the hearing.

“In both cases, the CCP [Chinese Communist party] has gotten very close to or inside the political core, if you will, of both countries. The primary difference between the two has simply been their reaction.”

“In New Zealand, both the last prime minister, Bill English, and Jacinda Ardern have denied that there’s a problem at all,” he went on.

“I think that at some level the Five Eyes or the Four Eyes need to have a discussion about whether or not New Zealand can remain, given this problem with the political core.”

The Five Eyes is an intelligence network made up of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States.

Nigel Haworth, the Labour party president, said he had no idea “what or to whom” the Mattis testimony was referring, and all political donations to Labour were above board and complied with the Electoral Act.

This gives you some idea of the alarm that our strategic drift has raised in Washington at last. To be honest, were I POTUS, I would have called out my little China buddy long ago.

The US embassy in Australia has been happy to operate behind the scenes so far. It’s not made a song and dance about anything but is pulling strings at times. But this is much more direct diplomatic message that we should see as directed as much at us.

This makes me wonder about the Australian Labor Party which is likely to take power and shares similar post-modern values with the Ardern Government. This expresses itself as a policy platform of strong immigration, regional integration and a sensitivity to racism. If anything Australian Labor is even more open to globalism given the Ardern Government which has at least trimmed immigration.

How will the Australian Labor Party react to Chinese soft power then? It has supported the Turnbull foreign influence bill to date, provided it is refashioned to not also attack the Coalition’s political enemies, quite rightly.

But there are clearly very mixed views within senior Labor ranks, that sprang to the surface after Andrew’s Hastie’s revelations last week:

Fairfax Media has been told there was disagreement within Labor over whether to pursue Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull politically over Mr Hastie’s speech. One Labor MP who opposed pursuing the government “absolutely did his head” about the decision, according to an opposition source.

Some sources insisted bipartisanship would hold, however, and the committee would find compromises to the existing disagreements about the foreign interference legislation. Key Labor figures support the intention of the laws. Labor defence spokesman Richard Marles said Mr Hastie’s speech showed “how important it is that we get our foreign interference laws passed”.

Labor’s first three questions from Mr Shorten in Parliament’s Question Time were about Mr Hastie, focussing on whether he provided details from “a confidential briefing” from US authorities.
Mr Turnbull had earlier in the day stressed he had no advance warning that Mr Hastie would be naming Mr Chau.

…The Labor split spilled into the public last night when MP Michael Danby congratulated Mr Hastie on his speech.

“Personally I give credit to Hastie for having the guts to stand up and do that,” Mr Danby said. “I’d be surprised if he’d done it with a confidential briefing. I think that would have been wrong but as it seems, as the Prime Minister admitted, it was non-confidential.

“I think sometimes you have parliamentary privilege and big blokes like him have to stand up and do it.”

As we know, it is also Labor’s explicit socio-economic policy to “Asianise” Australia, via Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen recently:

…Although an optimist, he nominates two future risks for Australia: populist sentiment and house­hold debt…He says globalisation “is here to stay” and “has benefited Australia for the past 26 years”. The policy response must ensure programs are in place to assist anybody hurt by change through trade or automation to upskill, to change industries and commit to lifelong learning.

…How does Bowen see the instruments of future economic growth? He nominates infrastructure investment, the NBN, investment in schools, vocational education and training, universities and growing Asianisation of the culture. The rhetorical emphasis is on human capital investment much more than market-based micro-economic reform.

That means a much larger ethnic Chinese population that will Beijing will claim as its own plus more influence from China by default. Greater penetration into universities which are already seeing values slide the way of pedagogical standards towards China.

The AFR reports on other Labor stand-points:

…China apparently hopes that by bullying the Turnbull government, Bill Shorten’s Labor can be pushed into a more Sino-friendly posture.

…Labor’s foreign affairs spokeswoman Penny Wong and defence spokesman Richard Marles have become less dovish on China as its conduct has become more troubling.

…Marles argues Australia needs to better help Pacific island neighbours, tacitly to counter China’s creeping influence with what some critics allege is “debt trap” diplomacy with small, poor nations.

Wong is from the Left of the party, but sees herself as a pragmatist on foreign policy. She believes Australia should constructively try to shape China’s behaviour in a positive fashion, within the US-rules based order.

Penny Wong is a fascinating symbol. As an ethnic Chinese she will be claimed by Beijing, as much as Australia. Which is not to say that that is how she sees it.

Labor has also been circumspect about the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue though it says it is committed.

Even so, Labor grey beards constantly defend Chinese engagement with Australia from positions of deep entrenchment in its globalised network, including Paul Keating and Bob Carr. The latter has got himself into more hot water today, via Domainfax:

Fairfax Media has confirmed that Mr Carr, who heads a think tank created by a Chinese businessman closely connected to Beijing, has asked Senator Keneally to use parliament to find out details of the employment, job title, and contract of government adviser John Garnaut.

…After he was quizzed by Fairfax Media, Mr Carr released a statement describing Mr Garnaut as one of ”the leaders of the recent anti-China panic in the Australian media” who should not be “carrying on the campaign” while on the Prime Minister’s payroll.

The inquiry probed efforts by Beijing to influence Australian political parties, academia and the media. It is understood to have examined the activities of, among others, Mr Huang, the former financial backer of Mr Carr’s think tank, a Chinese billionaire and big political donor.

…Mr Carr said in his statement of Mr Garnaut: “Fuelling a campaign against a friendly foreign country is incompatible with an advisory and speech writing role on the Prime Minister’s staff.

More on the Garnaut report from the ABC:

A top-secret report has raised concerns that the Chinese Government has attempted to influence Australia’s political parties for the past decade.

One intelligence source told the ABC there had been infiltration at every layer of Australian Government, right down to local councils.

An investigation into the extent of foreign interference in Australia was ordered by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull in 2016 and he indicated what the report found last year.

“Our system as a whole had not grasped the nature and magnitude of the threat,” he said.

But Mr Turnbull told Parliament he could not provide extensive details about the report.

“The findings of the report are necessarily classified.”

Some of the details are now starting to emerge, with Nine News reporting that the document lists China as the country of most concern.

It also states that the Communist Party has attempted to compromise Australia’s major political parties for the past decade.

One of the report’s contributors is John Garnaut, a former Turnbull advisor who now runs a consultancy firm, and while he would not comment on the details of the investigation he has previously warned about China’s influence in Australia.

“Under the uncompromising leadership of President Xi Jinping, China’s activities have become so brazen and so aggressive that we can’t ignore it any longer,” he told the US House Armed Services Committee in March.

The top-secret report was the main driver for the foreign interference laws introduced into Parliament last year.

One person involved in the process has described it as “playing catch up” but added Australia was ahead of the game and they expected other countries to follow suit.

I can only say that John Garnaut’s appointment made perfect sense given he was Australia’s major China correspondent for many years, his brother is a respected China scholar and his old man is a former Ambassador to China. He does not appear to have written anything in the media while in the government’s employ but did so after leaving. It’s Bob Carr that has to answer questions about his patrons. It is his tragedy that he does not see it.

Up until now the great sellout of ANZUS has been a bi-partisan affair with both parties on the take and equally guilty of policy that will erode the alliance to the point of meaninglessness over time. But only Labor still has the stated aim of guiding Australia into finding peace within Asia, as opposed to a friend beside it. Does that also mean peace within Chinese hegemony which by extension will mean less freedom vis-a-vis Hong Kong?

The question remains whether Labor’s “Asian engagement” foreign policy matrix makes sense today given it was first given life in the 1980s when the region was dominated by alliance and democratic partners.

China is not Japan of the 1980s nor is it a democratic “tiger”. It is a Communist dictatorship with designs on regional hegemony.

If push comes to shove on the US side as much as the Chinese, can we rely upon Labor to defend our democratic values and system?

That I have to even ask is a problem.

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    • The dimwit just has to talk immigration and only immigration, block everything until immigration is cut, that’s the only reason we vote for her

      • Wong publicly stated that the clauses to block Chinese purchases of large rural properties were racist, anti-business, and would repelled when she got into power!!! Once upon a time, a rural lad, that truly got my goat. She is dangerous… even possibly more than Carr.

    • I cannot believe so many people are planning to vote Hanson. They’ve done nothing since mmmbop.

      • It’s a protest vote. In that context, fair enough.
        I’ve said for a long time that it would be a step forward if the Nazi Party and Communist Party both had representation in Parliament. That way you know Aussies are totally fed up with the status quo.

    • The red headed idiot has shown more poise and consideration of the voting public than any major party for the best part of more than 20 years. I don’t give a crap if she is racist or stupid.

    • Look into Sustainable Australian instead. Lower immigration, less privatisation, more emphasis on environmental sustainability.

    • Same goes for Oz. Around a million immigrant Chinese in the last 25 years. Alone, that’s roughly 4% of the entire population of Australia. Hanson was right and Oz is well on the way to being colonised by the CCP.

  1. Mining BoganMEMBER

    “…complied with the Electoral Act.”

    As soon as you hear those words you know they’re swimming in bribes and corruption.

  2. What is frustrating is that with the current system I don’t see any way to vote in a government that is not willing to sell out Australia by any means necessary. If I vote Labor then at least we get some good social/democratic values back in government but we still get the a government that has sold out to foreign influences and supports mass immigration.

    Yes – vote Sustainable Australia I hear you say… but that seems more like a protest vote when what I want is a vote for a government that isn’t fractured. What to do…I can see how revolutions started back in the day. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to be an option in this day and age.

    • Seriously.
      ” If I vote Labor then at least we get some good social/democratic values back in government ”

      Values like Robb and Dastyar spring to mind.

      • As do Julie Bishop and Andrew Robb on the LNP side.
        Who did sell the port of Darwin to the Chinese?

      • Public health system, education, … you know the things a government should be providing for its citizens as opposed to selling them off to corporations.

      • Mincingwowser

        ^Mass immigration is diluting/destroying those things and Labor want at least the same amount of mass immigration, Shorten has even talked about increasing it.

    • Fractured is better, you can heal a fracture. What Australia has now politically is Stage 4 cancer.

    • More and more people are indicating an interest in Sustainable Australia. It’s highly likely they’ll pick up a seat or two. If things are close, they could swing decisions in Parliament.

  3. Much of Labour seem fellow travelers with the CCP. The rank and file need to rise up.

    • I would bet good money that many of them have convinced themselves that America is done, and China is on the up and up. Thats probably how they rationalised all the bribes to themselves.

      Watch them squeal like rats now. Corrupt to the core. I suspect the political class is starting to get a little bit alarmed. What if its them in the hot seat when sh!t hits the fan.

      You would think politicians would read a little history, its not very kind in general, but especially not to people the population is convinced have turned against them. Treason, sedition, heresy… all the old words are coming back in fashion. Woo!

  4. Any foreign nation that sets up a lobbying enterprise to direct the votes of its expats or compatriots will have political influence in Australia. Whether it is China or Israel our party system sells out Australian interests for money and votes. The LNP has a revolving door between conservative financial institutes and politics and the ALP has one between Chinese Banks and the party (Bob Hawke, Paul Keating etc).

    This is how we become slaves to foreign agendas. China is the tip of the iceberg. We’ve sold out to the Israeli lobby years back and get played like a guitar. Our great Israeli ‘friends’ are allowed to have duel citizenship that allows them to do military training in a foreign country and contribute to the occupation of Palestine where Australian passport holders can help drop white phosphorous on children and piss off the Arab world.

    The ALP is so weak kneed that it will never draw a line in the sand even when things like this are clearly insane. The Israel lobby has taken to the UK ALP with accusations of ‘anti-semitism’ for not backing the ultra right policies. Bill Shorten would crap his pants at the very thought of standing up to Israeli militarism and having one law for everyone. Instead, he’ll just get on board with the very nations who are the very symbols of oppression in the Arab world as they can swing elections with money and influence. Then we can ignore the very reason why young Arabs are ‘radicalised’.

    Our party system refuses to put secular Australian values before the expedience of allowing foreign powers to interfere in our domestic policy. Our party system has sold out and works only for the political class, not the interests of Australia. It is one good reason why the dual citizenship requirement should never be watered down.

    You can trust our politicians for one thing – to sell Australia out for their own self interest.

    • “Our great Israeli ‘friends’ are allowed to have duel citizenship that allows them to do military training in a foreign country”

      What are you on about? Australians can be dual citizens with any other country, so long as that other country allows it – Syria, Iran, North Korea, whatever. There is no law to stop you doing military training in that country either. If you want to become an MP you will have to renounce that citizenship. Again, no difference between Israel and anywhere else.

      • Are you suggesting that a North Korean duel citizen can pop home for 3 years of National Service in their military, work on a nuclear program, then pop back some time no questions asked? I really doubt this very much. I really think you need to catch up about our policies about fighting in foreign wars too – Syria?!

        Because the issue with Israel is that Australian-Israeli duel citizens are in a pretty unique position.

        Israel has defaulted on UN resolutions. It has undeclared nuclear weapons that are contrary to the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty. Israel is also engaged in the occupation of territory and illegal settlements – against international law. However, an Israeli-Astralian duel citizen can go and participate in those military projects no questions asked.

        That’s wrong. It’s wrong for any Australian citizen to participate in military projects and training in ANY foreign nation unless a clear treaty that defines the mutual obligations of the nations is stated (i.e. NZ, USA). In Australia’s case one might think that would require adhering to international law, UN resolutions and the bloody nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

        Or do we stand for nothing at all? If a country can swing a few votes and donate via its network will our political party prostitutes sing any tune?

      • You will find that there are many Australian-Iranian dual citizens, Australian-Syrian dual citizens, Australian-Iraqi, French, Lebanese etc etc. Many will have done military service elsewhere, it is compulsory in many countries. I take it you are proposing limiting dual citizenship to certain countries? Well who selects those? Or are you just saying anyone but Israel because they’re the cause of all the world’s problems? There is possibly a case for not recognizing dual citizenship at all, but I suspect you are just here to have an anti-Israel rant, not make a principled stand.

      • “Many will have done military service elsewhere, it is compulsory in many countries.”

        This is not what I am taking about. I am referring to duel nationals who are already Australian citizens who pop home to to National Service (i.e. many Israeli duel citizens). Universally this needs to stop if it is happening for ANY nation that allows duel citizenship. We ban people going to fight in foreign wars already. It should be one rule for everyone. You want to train in the military of another country that has on-going conflicts and foreign policy that conflicts with the duel nationals of Australia (or the UN and international law)? Fine, leave your citizenship at the door as you go. Good luck to you.

        “Or are you just saying anyone but Israel because they’re the cause of all the world’s problems?”

        No. And I have no time for victimhood narrative and spin that attempts to suggest I have an axe to grind. Israel is one of the big 3 lobbying nations that tries to influence Australia’s domestic politics. Anyone who does not realise this has been asleep for decades or is terminally stupid.

        Or am I an anti-semite if I want to protect Australian democracy from foreign influence in our domestic politics? Because come right out and say it if that’s what you think so Australians know the basis of our relationship with Israel and where we stand. I’m sick to death of politicians who look after the interests of foreign powers at the expense of Australian national interest.

        It is absolutely not in our national interests to have a large Arab population and to play favourites with Israel. Or should we allow Palestinians to keep their duel citizenship and pop home for a stint with Hamas in a rocket factory?

        One rule and one standard.

      • Clive, you remind me about some of my close WA Labour friends (quite high up!), it took me several years to realise they were anti-semites. Remarkably knowledgeable, informed, seriously highly educated guys, royalist, who did not want the existence of Israel. Initially espousing their views that all would be well in the Middle East without them. I thought at first t was a country issue, but quickly realised it went far deeper than that, to almost a visceral (irrational?) hatred – to what level, I never discovered.

        I mean, I knew these guys for years! Maybe its just a WA thing, but trust me, I quickly realised whole section of Labour Party apparatus is anti-semite. And I know this from the inside.

        Gut feel, you have anti-semite written all over you…

      • Researchtime. I’m so glad you’ve come out and accused me of being an anti-semite:

        “Gut feel, you have anti-semite written all over you…”


        Apart from the fact that anyone can read what I wrote and point out what it is that I have said that qualifies me as an anti-semite (got for it) there is a personally amusing aspect to your gut feelings (which I would not trust too much in the future if I were you). I am the same sort of anti-semite as this guy:


        Not that I agree with everything he says, but a lot of it. You will find that in the Jewish community in Australia there is a growing discomfort with the political weaponisation of the term ‘anti-semite’. That’s because there are real anti-semites in the world and people like yourself who bandy the term about to mean anyone who opposes zionist narrative degrades its use and drives people with valid political views into the same camp as neo-nazis. That’s dangerous and threatens all Jews who are citizens of another country for the reasons Rabbi Shapiro outlines. Israel should stop pretending that it speaks for all Jews. And you should have the good sense to know better. I’m sure you do, but it does not suit your political purpose and support for a foreign state – and lobbyist goals.

        But there is another reason why I am glad that you have blasted me with your ‘anti-semite’ ray gun. Many of us can see how this has to go in order to put an end to it. I encourage you to place your accusations in writing or in a public forum and make them very directly to people; accuse people of being anti-semites if they are defending their national interests and democracy. Accuse me – don’t hold back and gnaw away at my reputation behind my back – go for it. This is how we will end up ridding Australia of this cynical curse. Because the laws in Australia are quite clear in this regard. But it is probably necessary to test in a court of law what an anti-semite is as opposed to a person’s right to free speech without being labelled as someone akin to a Nazi. Is Rabbi Shapiro an anti-semite? Is it an ALP politician who opposes Israeli policies and supports International law? Is it Norman Finkelstein? Am I?

        Is a Palestinian – who is actually a Semite?

        What we need is a test case where an Australian citizen accuses another Australian citizen of being an anti-semite for the sort of observations and views I have made in writing. Maybe that should be you Researchtime? Be bold and come out of the shadows and accuse people.

        Because unless we draw a line in the sand this is going to get nasty and there will be a lot of innocent victims.

        The great shame is that you’ve worn out the term anti-semite. It means so little to you that you shoot from the hip like it is some magical way to shut people up, and truth be known it has been quite effective until now. But the tide is turning and this must be confronted head on. It is time for Australians to send a message to those who wish to limit free speech and manipulate national interests and our politics by promoting an idea that Australia is full of anti-semites and Israel is a victim of a giant conspiracy.

        The ALP is not full of antisemites. The ALP is full of cowards where people like you have been effective in pulling their strings for far too long. Now we are racist if we oppose Chinese intervention and anti-semites if we question Israel. We’re bigots if the legitimacy of mass immigration is questioned. I’ve had enough of this and so many others have. It’s a lie and the tipping point has been reached.

        Yes, I am against the idea of duel citizens doing military training in a foreign country. That goes for duel citizens of Israel or any other country. I’m against foreign states interfering in domestic politics – whoever they are. That’s the best way to protect the Jewish and Chinese diaspora as well. I’m not a mouthpiece for another state (unlike you) and want to bring those down who hide in the shadows and use unjustified slurs to control language and de-legitimise debate.

      • I don’t play identity politics, so I really don’t care to compare myself to politicians, parties and tribal views. That’s best kept private. I just expect all politicians to defend Australian interests over those of a foreign power whether they are on the right or left. In doing so they will defend Australian communities of all backgrounds against the agents of division and manipulation that people like you represent. By drumming up suspicion, derision and propaganda each time you call people ‘anti-semites’, ‘Nazis’ and ‘racists’ if they criticise Israel or foreign interference in domestic politics you dig a large hole for those who you think are on your side. In reality you betray them and weaken their claim to be part of an Australian community. I champion freedom of speech as the marker of what validates membership of a community. People like you are its enemy and are destroying what took over 80 years to build because you remove that validation each time you throw your insults around and expect others to be the water bearer of your confused allegiance. Grow up or grow a spine and test your vilification in court. You will go down like a lead Zeppelin and we will all be better off.

  5. If it’s true about Carr, it’s a sad day for Oz, because from the outside it looks corrupt. If you have a broader look at what’s against us now it’s daunting. We have banks and super companies just being allowed to be criminal, but it’s been major parties that have got us to this point. The political and business elite would sell their soul for a dollar. Not a new revelation, but it just makes it harder to get ahead in this country as nothing is fair and the very institutions that are supposed to protect us just can’t get enough of our money. As I’ve said before, they want all the cake.

    • It looks downright sinister. Attacking an Australian on behalf of what he claims is a “friendly, foreign power”. Its almost as if he’s an agent for them or something.He should be on a register.

    • This guy Carr is so far off the reservation its unbelievable. Were he not tainted by self-interest, the things he’s saying would be bad enough. But the fact that he’s profiting from them considerably makes him an out and out traitor.

      There’s not a single Western country that would allow the type of Chinese interference Carr is pressing for. Why does he expect Australians to roll over?

      The extent to which Australia is already captured by China is the biggest strategic threat it faces for the next 10-50 years. It needs to be mitigated not made worse.

      • @David @Dan, the intel agencies have warned and these people just ignore the advice. I don’t think we’re alone as a Canadian mate says there are problems there as well. It’s not just idle warnings that the intel agencies are warning about but real events. It’s hard to understand what Carr and co think is ok. Just look to the south China sea now. What was international waters and other countries islands are now claimed/acquired. What’s next, well look further into the pacific and we’ll see I guess. What gets up my nose locally is the number of Chinese local council types trying to get elected, and the ones I see are Labor, or come from a property dev slant. All the Post Offices around me are now owned by Chinese. I never thought anything of it until what been raised here and elsewhere. Even saying this I’d be condemned with the X and R words.

  6. That really is the question HnH. Turnbull gets some credit in my eyes for listening to the Intelligence Agencies and talking the first baby steps toward a more skeptical stance on China. There are too many in Labor who have supped from the Chinese Kool Aid.

    I fear that I cannot trust Labor to protect our freedoms from China’s sneaky plays

    • Ronin8317MEMBER

      Watch what they do, not what they say. Did the LNP return the Chinese money donated to them?

  7. Will Labor defend our democracy

    Just wtf does that mean?
    “defend our democracy”
    Important concept but what does it mean?
    Does it mean that our daughters wont need to spread their legs to entertain the new master?
    Does it mean that our sons will be free to pursue the path of their dreams unencumbered by such trivialities as putting a roof over their families heads?
    Does it mean that the produce of our land will be reserved to feed us first? (LNG is a sign of what’s to come)
    Does it mean that Australian’s will be free to build their house on any suitable land, or will they need Democracy’s permission?
    So will Labor defend our Democracy? and more importantly will their defense of democracy be beneficial to Average Aussies or as usual just done as part of the Game of Mates.

    • +100
      We do not have Democracy, we have a 2 party elected Dictatorship.
      As for Freedom, Peter Dutton exemplifies that we do not have that either.

      • I’m not so concerned with the party machines but rather just the concept of defending.
        Defending what? defending it how?
        The world is changing very rapidly and value flows to those that can change in step with our changing world, real success however is achieved by those few who can change ahead of pack.
        So wrt Defend, defend what? change is the only certainty so successfully Defending our lifestyle means successfully changing, so what is it we want to change? and are Labor or Liberal helping us change.

      • )0ps wrong place.
        Thanks for the reply Pisces,
        “Running out of other peoples money” , isn’t that what happened in the GFC?
        I have just started reading the big short, I found the prologue boggling.
        I think a society that has in mind the greatest good to the greatest number one that is worthy of support.

      • Yeah well Yanis is fundamentally a socialist so I guess it’s not an entirely unexpected view point.
        Personally I don’t think Socialism works any better then Capitalism if our economic framework fails to generate value for the next generation. As MT once said “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money” If our system is not constructed to fundamentally create wealth (in the emerging world) than it indirectly forces our daughters to their knees and our sons to despair regardless of the labels that we attach to these policies.

  8. The ALP has been thoroughly infiltrated by the Chinese Communist Party. It is only becoming obvious now.

    My take is no. The ALP won’t protect Australian sovereignty. They will claim that it is in the national interest to sell out.

      • Consider that the current LNP government is the one progressing the foreign interference laws which Labor looks like not supporting. In this case the LNP is standing up to China while the ALP is in bed with them.

    • Thanks Gramus,
      but, the LNP have the power to ratify extradition treaty with China , but don’t.
      Both would be and have been scantily clad in China’s bedroom.

  9. Daniel Andrews has just announced he’s off to China today to get more investment in Victoria and to repair the damaged relationship. There you go, Maybe he should talk to Bob Carr to co-ordinate the plans they have for us.

  10. Labor to defend democractic values? Bwahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahha! No wait, bwahahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Why can’t China interfere as benignly as the United States or the European powers have interfered all throughout Asia? Help build thriving democracies like the USA built in Korea, Vietnam or the Phillipines or Indonesia? Not that I like the CCP but Australia and the west in general have paid nothing but lip service to the idea of defending and building democracy throughout the world and now cry foul that China exploits far more adroitly the world system we built

    • Help build thriving democracies like the USA built in Korea,Vietnam,….
      “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
      ― Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America’s Most Decorated Soldier


      • Exactly. And Duterte is a perfect example of what I’m getting at, cosying up to China and deflecting all criticism of his actions by pointing out what exactly has USA done for the Phillipines and how did they behave towards the local population? We’ve tolerated corruption and subversion of democracy worldwide and China are just exploiting that and turning it back on us

    • Whilst ever the US has a President for a maximum of two terms and not for life and the public are free to protest, criticise and speak out against its government I’ll take the USA even with its obvious flaws.

      • you got it Andrew – the predictable knee jerk recitation of the ‘evils’ of ‘US Imperialism’ as some how the answer and absolution to all that is happening now is pathetic …………….
        next thing you know we’ll get references to slavery just for good measure ………..
        people really do need to take off the ideological glasses and start reading a bit of history – not the PC BS of the post modernists, but actual history ……….
        the US is very far from perfect but to ignore the hundreds (yes hundreds) of millions that Stalin, Mao and their cohorts killed of their own populations is patently ridiculous

  12. One Belt, One Road, One Empire. Seems like NZ pollies are as cheap to buy as the Australia ones.

  13. How many wars have we been embroiled in, for how long.

    Hanson likes her day job and the only reason she was wavering on corporate tax cuts was paying down the deficit.

  14. So how the hell does Bowen get a higher prefered priminister rating than Bowen. Frankly after reading this the idea of him leading labour shocks me and I would not vote for a labour he was running. Shorten is a dick but at least he has kept the left wing you are all racists brigade from running rampant.