Judith Sloan: population ponzi “squeezing life from cities”

By Leith van Onselen

The Australian’s Judith Sloan has penned another great article yesterday on the destruction of living standards being inflicted in Australia’s big cities from the federal government’s mass immigration ‘Big Australia’ policy:

I have spent most of my life living in Melbourne… Take it from me, Melbourne is in the process of moving from being one of the most livable cities in the world to one of the most unlivable…

There is no doubt the primary reason for Melbourne’s loss of livability is the excess growth of its population, which has been apparent for at least a decade, but has accelerated in recent times…

So what are the undesirable features of the galloping rate of growth of Melbourne’s population?

For starters, the new infrastructure projects that would normally be associated with such strong population growth have struggled to keep up. Think schools, hospitals, additional public transport and roads, particularly those linking different parts of the city — the list goes on.

The congestion on the roads and public transport at certain times of the day and week is something to behold. If I take the train to the city during peak times, the experience is akin to travelling in a sardine can…

Driving is equally unbearable. Consider also the developments that have been allowed to occur in our precinct. On the arterial roads, the big houses have been sold, pulled down and replaced mostly by tacky-looking, albeit expensive, apartment blocks.

Nothing else has changed in terms of the local schools, local transport, local shops and other local amenities. There are many more people living in the area, but none of the supporting facilities has been altered…

But it’s not entirely clear that these benefits are showing up in the economic statistics… the performance of the Victorian economy is only mediocre…

Bear also in mind that the ­diseconomies of strong population growth, coupled with inadequate infrastructure provision, mean many Melburnians simply don’t feel as if their wellbeing is improving.

…it is as plain as day that the annual ­migration program — the permanent migrant intake — must be cut from 190,000, the figure that is in place for this financial year and the next three after that.

This number is simply too high given that almost all migrants head for Melbourne and Sydney…

The only surprising aspect is why our political leaders have delayed the decision to cut the number of migrants. After all, Australia has nearly three times the population growth of the average of developed countries. Why this is sensible has never been properly explained.

But what about the “cultural enrichment” and “vibrancy”, Judith? Think of the culture!

But seriously, everything that Judith Sloan has said is spot on. The 30% increase in Melbourne’s population in the 12 years to 2016 – almost one million people – is clearly unsustainable:

The same can be said for the projected 97,000 people per year (1,870 people per week) increase in Melbourne’s population over the next 35 years, which would add the equivalent of around 9 Canberras or 2.5 Adelaides to the city’s population:

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The macro-economic data shows that the population explosion is not boosting individual Victorians’ (Melbournians’) living standards (see here), but is greatly reducing their broader living standards via the problems of congestion, eroded public services, deteriorating housing affordability, and overall lower amenity.

The simple solution to alleviating the population pressures being inflicted in our big cities is to normalise Australia’s immigration program by returning it to the level that existed before John Howard and successive government ramped-up the intake in the early 2000s:

Even if the permanent migrant intake was halved to 100,000 people – still a very generous intake – than Australia’s population would grow to around 35 million by 2060 versus over 40 million under current projections:

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Such growth would be far more manageable and easily digestible than the turbo-charged mess that is currently being created and mis-mananged.

It’s time that our politicians stopped ignoring the issue. Our living standards are at stake.

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  1. sydboy007MEMBER

    Thinking about the strayan addiction to population growth I Connie up an image of a slave gallery with them chanting grow we grow. Seems apt

  2. I was at the Ikea Homebush on the weekend and the immensity of the change is on display. Vast numbers of people who do not speak english buying huge amounts of crappy knick knacks. The obvious conclusion is that this is where the immigration numbers actually make sense. Consumerism and shopping! Building the future on chipboard cabinets in cramped hi rise all bought with debt money.

    This must be the lowest vision of the future any society could ever achieve.

    • And without an external event or employment slowing this can keep us going forward for few more years. As long as there are enough jobs around most of the people will keep their mouths shut while watching values of their houses going up.

      • Nikola is correct – no one cares so long as times are good. Despite the few surveys that say times are tough, the consumer keeps spending, and no one wants to stop the party, especially the RBA.

        When the crash does come, the wrong people will probably be blamed.

      • Nikola
        “This number is simply too high given that almost all migrants head for Melbourne and Sydney…”
        And that those cities produce virtually nothing in terms of exports other than the immigration/education wank. So they buy all the imported products and produce no exports resulting in the CAD and Foreign Debt growing. We sell off assets to foreigners to keep the currency ‘buoyant’ Unfortunately this idiocy can go on as long as the ECB and the US are ‘printing’ as a fair percentage of that printed money ends up here as foreign debt for us or purchases of our assets.
        Maybe it can go on until we run out of assets to sell? I haven’t a clue when that is but it sure isn’t good for following age groups and generations.
        Note I don’t think MB understands the impact on Aus of Draghi et al ‘doing whatever it takes’

      • nexus789MEMBER

        When the ‘event’ occurs it will be epic given the level of debt and the mickey mouse jobs in the FIRE sector that will evaporate as soon as it starts.

    • Jumping jack flash

      “This must be the lowest vision of the future any society could ever achieve.”

      Instant riches, effortlessly, powered by infinite debt?
      Mate, I’m sure if you were on the winning side you’d think differently. That’s a fine vision of society.

      If you’re one of the poor fools that hold the debt that was all handed up to the next tier on the pyramid, then yes, anger is justified.

      We surely have a great divide in Australia; the ones who spend other people’s debt, and the ones who have to repay it.
      Its a marvellous, and completely efficient system for debt creation that has been decades in the making.

      • Spot on! Debt and a sell-out of assets and the heritage and welfare of following generations.

      • It’s absolutely one of the worst crimes ever committed. Makes me black hearted as hell, it simply warrants medieval violence. But people are totally clueless that it is this. They just think the houses are worth it because reasons. You can’t work with such brain dead fucks. Making us as piss weak as them.

    • SoMPLSBoyMEMBER

      Good obs Dark Matter
      What has been annoying me lately are the continuous ‘hard rubbish’ piles of crapola that adorn the nature strips almost everywhere now. It’s like the aftermath of hurricane / flood/ tornado. Most of it looks like it was on the shelves of Harvey Norman, K & A Mart just 24 months ago. It’s so common now that most don’t seem to notice or care but this too illustrates another depressing aspect as the city (MEL) slowly loses her faculties and descends into irretrievable dementia.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        Hard rubbish? Lol what about just regular rubbish? Have a walk up from Little Bourke to Victoria St and witness the 3rd world closing in…

      • Have faith …. the end of the consumer-driven economy is nigh.

        One day (perhaps quite soon) all that shit you refer to will become someone’s recycling gold.

        Then you’ll just have to endure the faeces, the stench of piss and a horde of homeless instead 🙂

    • nexus789MEMBER

      I had to go to IKEA over the weekend and I was thinking the same while I watched the consumer robots. Hated every minute of it.

  3. Its nice that a right winger has called it on the ponzi but unless Federal Labor is listening for when they form the next government then, unfortunately, what Sloan has written is irrelavant.

  4. Don’t worry, the net influx of people will cease of its own accord when Sydney and Melbourne finally reach an equilibrium point whereby they are indistinguishable from any other major Asian city. Oh, wait…

    • LOL. And from there it will continue to grow uncontrollably…….of its own accord!!

      • Or they might stop growing…. and begin to crash to new heights like them Canadian cities!

      • reusachtigeMEMBER

        @Nikola – no it’s not. That’s just fake news propaganda by a share spruiker from canadia!

      • Rational RadicalMEMBER

        Unbelievable how determined the MB Bull-Bears are to ignore the evidence staring them in the face regarding Canadian Real Estate. The burden of proof is on them to explain exactly how Canadian RE is NOT fucked, and that their beloved central bank corruption / intervention / QE to the moon forever is either not actually infinite or is ultimately incapable of saving real estate asset bubbles indefinitely.

        The burden of proof is NOT on those who believe that the global real estate bubble is entering an era of tighter real credit conditions, and that the terminal internal contradictions and debt saturation of markets such as Canada, UK, New Zealand and Australia is coming home to roost, with Canada the current poster child among the dominoes.

        So you can either buy a 1.2 million dollar house in bull-trap Vancouver and make it rich as it “crashes to new highs”, or you can read the facts from someone who knows what they’re talking about, is local to the situation, and has been articulating the trajectory and root causes for years, Garth Turner, who most certainly (and disappointingly for the Bull-Bears) describes the country wide correction/crash underway:

        http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/08/04/not-yet-2/

        Never underestimate the foolishness/greed/fear of the greater fool, and even more crucially, never overestimate that capability of the powerful to hold back the tide forever. King Canute demonstrated that folly nicely.

      • reusachtigeMEMBER

        LOLOLOL… so someone posts a link to the dude in canadia that wants to sell you shares!

      • GTA and eventually the rest of Canada is fisted. The bull-bears are people who want to be bearish but believe that the government and institutions in their infinite wisdom can stop bubbles from imploding and keep the ponzi going forever. They cannot and they do not understand the nature of bubbles. Canada is a great example.

  5. You watch ‘The Economist’ rate Melbourne number 1 in their sham of a rating next week the Most ‘Liveable’ city for the 7th year in a row. The sold out @&$&. Big Australia have their thumbs in many pies…

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Oh FFS sake you whiners! On an international scale, for expats, Melbourne is a great city to live, work and play (although not quite as good as Sydney)!!

      • nexus789MEMBER

        Oh FFS you do spout rubbish. The difference between Melbourne in the late 90s and now is not a good one. I used to like going down to Melbourne. Its now congested and will continue to decline. Only the ignorant attempt to read the Economist.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        If you’re going to feed the trolls at least have fun doing it – pro tip *speaking from experience

        Still lovz ya Reusa

    • Portable classrooms on school ovals, punishing commutes from the outer suburbs are not criteria and hence Melbourne is liveable. Melbourne is an awesome place to live provided you are in an inner Eastern suburb where there are plenty of schooling options, good transport and lack of low quality apartments, for everywhere else within the city, most liveable is easily debatable.

      • nexus789MEMBER

        Same in Sydney as the coastal suburbs are largely isolated from the mayhem that will occur in the Western suburbs when the economy eventually hits a brick wall.

      • WHere’s that, exactly. The school options are shocking at the secondary level. I live near public transport to get me to the city, but anywhere else is a giant car park.

    • Relevant StakeholderMEMBER

      Look at who owns ‘The Economist’ and the industry they have a large stake in.

    • Exactly. Melbourne is an overexpensive, overpopulated, pretentious hell-hole. Moving here was the worst mistake of my life.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        Ditto. Now. But even 5 years ago it was still promising. Now? #hellbourne #mumbai

  6. I am always called an “old man” when I say this, but.. North Melbourne was a fantastic place to live in 1999! If not for mass migration, it would still be fantastic today.

  7. She is correct that population growth itself is not the problem. Rather the lack of new infrastructure.

    There are not enough schools, roads or hospitals being bought for these extra millions. Why does government not want to build in Australia?

    • “She is correct that population growth itself is not the problem. Rather the lack of new infrastructure.”

      Not really! The real problem is that the influx is basically producing nothing except to eat in each other’s restaurants and require more government and public servants. Our foreign debt thus is blown to hell and gone and we sell off more of the assets to foreigners.
      If we start spending money on infrastructure we will just exacerbate the problem.

      • Jumping jack flash

        Yes!
        The FIRE + Services economy that produces nothing tangible.

        Don’t forget the added bonus of capping wages, which in my opinion was the original reason the floodgates were opened.
        Be wary of disgruntled governments.

    • She is correct that population growth itself is not the problem. Rather the lack of new infrastructure.

      This is not strictly true. A city is not infinitely expandable. An example raised the other week was the water supply. The water supply to a city like Melbourne or Sydney is not elastic – eventually the hi rise density will exhaust the local catchment area. Other infrastructure (like electricity) may become prohibitively expensive once a certain density is reached.

      Do you realise that there is field of study called Urban Planning? Problems like these are supossed to be their resposibility, but in Big Australia they seem to have been told to shut up and fix the mess.

  8. Hill Billy 55MEMBER

    If you seriously think Melbourne and Sydney are bad, Brisbane has had a far bigger percentage increase in population and is the pits.

    • I lived in Brisbane 12 years ago and recall the massive population growth causing all sorts of issues then. I guess nothing has changed. Back then, there was all sorts of talk about big infrastructure projects to be built. However, any time that I go back to visit family, the roads are still clogged and infrastructure is barely keeping up with the population increase.

  9. The population ponzi is a by-product of credit creation. Banks only create principal when they lend people money, yet people owe the bank principal and interest. A ponzi scheme is necessary to continually create more loans (principal only) which are then used to pay both principal and interest on earlier loans.

    Without a ponzi scheme, the fraudulent credit creation mechanism would collapse and the banking and political class would have to earn an honest dollar.

    • Know IdeaMEMBER

      That is why the occasional purge/write down/jubilee is required. In between those events the system seems to work ok, and encourage economic activity.

      I get the feeling we are due (overdue?) for a bit of a flush of the credit system, although I am not convinced the central banks or the political class will do what they can to defer it. Which likely means we can use Japan as a model for our future. The difference is that Australia will likely continue to bring in more migrants, which will provide a different dynamic.

  10. I agree re brisbane. Probably not mentioned as much as i would argue its because the numbers are largely made up of those fleeing from down south or are mostly anglo immigrants. This is certainly the case in my bubble

    • 60% of students at my kids’ school in Brisbane come from an English as Second Language family. We are having massive integration problems. Any school event is broken into a four groups that all congregate in the corners … and there is very little movement between them. This is not a good way for our children to grow up.

    • Australia is a country run by property developer and bankers’ proxies.

      We should expect no less.

      Labor is dead against slowing population/immigration intake. Returns of Industry Super Funds (biggest holders of direct infrastructure investments) are predicated on ever higher asset values.

      Mom and Dad’s super wealth and retirement dreams predicated on ever higher property values.

      Don’t expect this to ever change.

  11. Libs look behind you this one is a dog of a policy that is about to catch up & it’s gonna bite you on the arse!

  12. Ah, the govt has made changes and expect 55,000 less according to the Australian Population Research Institute. Page 7 today Australian newspaper.

  13. Nothing to see here, just Australia’s version of The Great Replacement in the pursuit of globalisation.

  14. I grew up in the inner south-east, went to school nearby, then uni. The whole area still feels like it always has. My commutes have always been short and crowds in the city what I’ve always known. To me this all feels “normal”. I now live in an area that is very convenient and home (my parents place) still a sanctuary close to the city. What do I notice? Roadworks mainly, ugly but necessary. More people, I guess so. Different ethnicities, different from school, not that different from uni.

    Am I the frog in the slowly heating pot of water. Or is this Melbourne morphing into a global metropolis. What does the generation like mine who have grown up with this Melbourne (ie have no memory of any other Melbourne) think?

    • migtronixMEMBER

      So you grew up in South Yarra/Toorak and consider that to be a little sanctuary? You couldn’t even say that about Armadale or Brighton any more!
      And in Carlton you notice some necessary construction but not the giant towers of single bedroom apts just across the road? So much BS

    • migtronixMEMBER

      I used to be a very regular at the College Lawn in Prahran, and know lots of people now 23-27 who worked there at one time or another. All grew up in Brighton, St Kilda, Beaumaris, Sandy, Armadale. All went to private schools like Brighton Grammar and Firbank. I can categorically state you are full of it! Everyone notices the insane overcrowding, and none of them read MacroBusiness

    • They think what the latte lefties tell them to think.

      Anyone remember club veg? These lyrics sung to Barbie Girl.

      I’m a north shore girl
      In my north shore world
      Life is simple
      Here in Pymble

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        There was a large number of Chinese market gardeners between Willoughby and Chatswood from the 1870s up to federation,…with the area being called little China Town in that period.
        It only later, became a Very WASP area,…but it is now being returned to its “Traditional owners”,…what’s wrong with that?,…I thought we were all hip with Reconciliation these days.

      • Sure thing, maybe we should all get together and go make another city elsewhere. Probably would be easier in the long run. Maybe down near Kiama. I haven’t been to Jamberoo for years.

    • Migtronix, I’m calling BS on you. No way would 23-27 year olds willingly hang out with a middle-aged Health Department worker who has too much time on his hands. Unless you were buying them drinks and even then. You probably call them your friends. Because. Creepy.

      I’m can see that Macrobusiness is attracts its fair share of grumpy old men and agree that apart from a guy in my office it appears there is probably small readership in my age group. However, Macrobusiness does cover subjects that will affect us so one day you might find your “friends” from the College Lawn reading here too.

      Your arcane what I guess are Star Wars references mean nothing to me and assume they are some sort of in-house signalling.

      You are acting like a stalker. Stop it.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        You can say idiotic things like that all you like but I recall you saying you didn’t experience any harassment at uni so we know you don’t know what a stalker is.

        You’ve never met me so your projecting about old geezers is similarly thin veneer for “stop calling out my poorly constructed sophistry” – I wasn’t buying them drinks, I was buying drinks off them, and to this day they sent me messages on messenger telling me go come down to billboards or bimbos. These days I hang out with the 20 somethings in Fitzroy etc, they’re not as well off.

        The lines you’ve been running, that a child of the creme de la creme sees nothing wrong with this economy or society, is absurd – because I know those children and they just don’t talk like you! Period. And everyone uses Tinder that little ruse isn’t fooling anyone…

        Lastly, 3d has personally told me that Australian journalists read MB and it needs counter opinions aired lest The Guardianisation of Australia take too strong a root.

        Then you show up and only talk on topics of wealth disparity and corporate malfeasance and always expose the same hand waving dismals so much the hallmark of dear 3d

      • migtronixMEMBER

        You have no fucking idea Owen – but it was my local, about 400m up the road. Simone was a probably a neighbour, hell I might even have had a drink with her on a hectic Sunday session 😂😂😂😂

        Mate I think I’m in that shot! In the blue t-shirt right most, face cut off. Lol

      • Simone, I’ll take you at face value, ie., that your expressing your genuinely held opinions, and welcome your contributions. Likewise with migtonix. And it might help if I explain that
        1) your opinions are not dissimilar to another contributor ‘3d1k’ (hence mig’s Star Wars references), who after several changes of nom-de-plume, appeared to have “retired” a few months before you started.
        2) migtronix is a long-standing contributor who has sometimes used manic and intemperate language and has been banned several times (as was 3d1k, altho he was more temperate).
        3) 3d1k and mig seemed to hold diametrically opposite views both of which were occasionally worthy of attention.

      • I can’t see you Mig. 15 dollar steak days, mine has them for 9 dollars, you just gotta put up with the blue collars swearing like wharfies and keep your head down lest you look at one of them the wrong way.

        College Lawn, like you’re all hanging there cross legged on the lawn. Fuck off. I hope it gets demolished and some McApartments take its place.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        “Stop it” said Trump. Now there’s some in-house signaling.

        Give it up 3d

        “College Lawn, fuck off” it’s only been 120 years dude

      • Must’ve been why Sydney became the effective capital. We are the lesser wankers. I can smell Melbournes old money white bred arrogance from here. Fuck off.

      • It will as a surprise to Migtronix that outside the closed circle of the friendship of one he moves in, a wide variety of people have a correspondingly wide variety of views, even if those views are not dominant here.

        Returning to my original musing, prior to being sidelined:

        Am I the frog in the slowly heating pot of water. Or is this Melbourne morphing into a global metropolis.

        At lunch I asked just that, small sample of 4 excluding myself but the same age group: basically none of us knew anything different, we had grown up into and with this and had no real memory of “another time”, the hot frog analogy. Consensus was that this was Melbourne getting bigger but had no real negative feelings because nothing to compare it with. Except for holiday or long weekends none of us go more than a few kilometres from the city. Similar for anyone else here?

      • You don’t have to have been around so to speak to look back and see better things in previous decades. You would have been around as a kid in the 90s anyway. It explains a lot though Simone. It explains why younger people don’t care. They just don’t. You are a sample of them. I was a kid in the 80s so I saw the last of Sydney as an Australian city. You saw the 90s so that decade was somewhere in between the 80s and the new millennium.

      • Oliver47, that was helpful.

        Owen, you might be right, in a way I don’t think any of the group cared.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        ‘Consensus was that this was Melbourne getting bigger but had no real negative feelings because nothing to compare it with. Except for holiday or long weekends none of us go more than a few kilometres from the city. Similar for anyone else here?”

        More lies! Absolute bullshit! Anyone who gets off at Melbourne Central regularly can see the difference to 12 months ago! Or catches 8 tram to Toorak and needs to swap 3 times because of all the works. Or walks tries to drive across Hoddle!

        Youd be more convincing if you actually talked about this Melbourne not one you make up. Tell me, how do you get from work to Carlton?

        “Oliver47, that was helpful.’ he forgot to mention you sound just like a late 50 something culture warrior o0

    • When I lived in Carlton it would take me a lifetime to commute to the other side of the city. I guess things have improved.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        How long did she wait to get served lunch? How easily did she find a table for 4? How many people were crowded around?

        “it’s always been like this for us, we don’t notice and it doesn’t bother ANY of us”

        Sure…

      • Sweeper, to work: Uber around 10 mins, good weather, walk around 20 minutes, tram around the same. To my parents: drive roughly 20 minutes.

        Next the crazy will ask for my address. No way.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        “uber 10 minutes, walk 20′ Bwaaahaaahaahaa in Carlton? Into the CBD? In peak hours?

        You’re the only crazy Simone – crazy full of it. Thanks for continuing to give out easily refutable non descript platitudes. I live on Rathdowne and work on Lonsdale and an Uber would crawl along Exhibition

        “tram around the same” you mean the only one down Swanston?

      • migtronixMEMBER

        20 minutes drive from Carlton to South Yarra – across what bridge Simone the fairy God mother one for preppy inner city girls?

        Never mind the address, what’s your opinion of Tony Abbott?

      • The corporation I work for has global interests with staggered hours to accomodate the important Asian market. My peak hour is not yours. I can drive to South Yarra in around 20 weekends. Can you drive. Do you have a car. If yes to both, you should know.

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        “Next the crazy will ask for my address. No way.”

        Whether you’re a 20s something “Simone” or 3d1k himself,…your just a little to polished and on point,…all the time.
        I suspect your on the RE industry payroll, or maybe even more laughably Mercenary, your astroturfing for the Open Boarders Greens!,…After being on the payroll of the miners!,…your shamless!

        And, As if mig would want to stalk you personally,…he does everything from his phone or Computer,…you know this “Simone”.

    • billygoatMEMBER

      Are you sight impaired or conditioned to only recognise your ‘own kind’.
      I suspect you’re telling porkies

  15. if only the new apartment buildings in Melbourne’s CBD had windows that opened. We could then enjoy the sight of laundry swinging in the breeze above Bourke Street.

  16. I just relocated from Coburg to Lara and just for the this week I have to commute by car, next week will be V/Line.
    Yesterday I left at 6am and hit crawling traffic at Point Cook/Williams Landing by 6:25am.
    Today I left at 5am and I hit crawling traffic in the same spot at 5:25am. I am seriously flabbergasted.

  17. Isn’t it ironic that the global-elite “experts” who produce “livability” rankings seem to take no account at all of what ordinary people like MB commenters care about. It seems to me that every city that adopts policies that make their city steadily less livable by any sensible standards, will be rewarded with a top “livability” rating from these global-elitist charlatans.

  18. It is so sad that there actually is a correct way to do growth, going begging. Ironically the people who do this right, are considered by the rest of the west, to be unsophisticated redneck gun-totin’ bible-bashin’ hicks.

    The median-multiple-3, high-growth cities of southern and heartland USA. All that cheap capital sloshing round the global economy is channeled into the financing of infrastructure for growth, private-sector involvement in infrastructure provision keeps sticky-nose bureaucrats from sabotaging the market, and developers are just getting on and building freakin’ houses.

    The result is less cause for xenophobia, ironic when these people want immigration better controlled. But it is not the rendering of their cities unlivable that they are worried about, it is the criminals and misfits and trouble-makers who are slipping through. It is not hard to accept that immigration is a positive if you do the growth right and properly control the type of person who gets in.

    • Phil,

      Yes but how do you hope to drive an economy on expanding private debt secured by inflating existing housing assets prices if you have a rational approach to land use that limits its ability to be used for private debt bubble economics.

      There is a reason why common sense is very uncommon.

      It is not nearly as profitable as privatised public money and rent seeking.

    • migtronixMEMBER

      ” if you do the growth right and properly control the type of person who gets in.” and if I had two unicorns I could live stream unicorn porn – but I only have one 🙄

      • The exemplar cities in the US that I am talking about, do the growth right, and once Trump’s wall is built, and Federal policy is purged of political correctness, the second condition will be satisfied.

        Note that there are “sanctuary cities” openly defying Federal law on illegal immigrants, even arrested criminal ones (a major political battle is brewing between Trump and these cities). It is no surprise that none of these cities “do growth properly” or have systemically affordable housing markets. If you are loony P.C. planet-saving Kumbaya-singing SJW’s you are guaranteed to get everything wrong.

  19. ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

    “The only surprising aspect is why our political leaders have delayed the decision to cut the number of migrants.”

    Maybe the delay is due, to the desire, to provide protection for, vulnerable Anglo Australian women, from the ravages of Brutish Ice addicted Australian men.

    “Chinese men were found living with 73 opium addicted Australian white women when Quong Tart surveyed the goldfields for opium addicts, and a lot of homeless women abused by husbands and prostitutes ran away and married Chinese men in Sydney after taking refuge in Chinese opium dens in gambling houses, Reverend Francis Hopkins said that ‘A Chinaman’s Anglo-Saxon wife is almost his God, a European’s is his slave. This is the reason why so many girls transfer their affections to the almond-eyed Celestials.’ when giving the reason why these women married Chinese men.[6]

    White men in Australia were afraid of the sexual and racial threats they thought came from Pacific islander and Asian men and it was written that the Chinaman “marries, or cohabits with the mean white woman, jostles and competes with the white man, and when it comes to labouring in the tropics, supplants him.” in the Sydney Morning Herald, with interracial sex and prostitution booming in Northern Australia because of the racial sexual imbalance due to the fact that Australia hardly ever permitted the immigration of non-white women.[7]

    Around Melbourne’s Little Bourke Street precinct and Sydney’s Lower George Street grew majority Chinese male enclaves and in total in Australia there were 50,000 Chinese labourers and ministers by 1870, with opium dens being a standard thing found around the Chinese ghettos, the Chinese men were married by poor white women or serviced by poor white women prostitutes, who filled the missing female niche in the Chinese community and this led to condemnation of the white women as opium users and inflamed anti-Chinese sentiment.[8]

    A parliamentary commission was held regarding Sydney’s Chinese gambling which brought white European women to testify on 14 December 1891, such as 27-year-old Minnie, who had long term relationships with two Chinese men whom treated her kindly after she engaged in “casual” sexual relations with multiple Chinese men.[9]

    Minnie ended up having sex with Chinese men after meeting them with friends who were also doing it, after she ran away from an abusive alcoholic husband when she was 16, seven other women were interviewed besides Minnie, girls and women escaped a dangerous street life by taking sanctuary in the inner city and The Rocks with the Chinese, another woman interviewed was Hannah who escaped her jailed brutal European husband to go live with a Chinese man, explaining that ‘I thought it was better to have one man than be knocking about the streets with everybody’, since the busband’s ‘people would not look after me’, and Minnie said, ‘I think fully half of them come to the Chinese when they have nowhere else to go’, and she was asked ‘Is it because the Chinese are kind to them?’ she said ‘That is the main thing, and for the sake of a home.'[10]

    Some of the European husbands and partners of the women tried forcing them to work as prostitutes to ‘knock about the streets’ and take the money they earned or were physically violent towards the women, which led the women to go to the Chinese who provided them with houses, Pauline explained “I would sooner live with a Chinaman than a white man. The Chinamen know how to treat a woman.’ after her European husband tried to make her be a prostitute, a woman named Maud said ‘he tries to please me, and I try to please him’ and a woman named Adelaide loved and wanted to marry a young Chinese man but his father forced him to break off the relationship, another two women interviewed were Ellen A and Ellen B.[11]

    Some of these women still engaged in prostitution with multiple other Chinese men even after they formed a relationship with a single Chinese man, these women were proud of being wives of the Chinese and their well maintained houses, saying they were ‘clean and tidy’ and the commissioners even said they were ‘clean and even tastefully furnished’, and Ellen B said ‘You always see all the Chinese women’s houses clean and comfortable’, ‘always plenty to eat and drink’ and Minnie said she was ‘living respectably with a Chinaman’, the women also viewed non-white men of different races in a different light, saying that the ‘dark’ men like Lascars were different from the Chinese and Ellen B said ‘there is not a girl with the Chinese that cares about a dark fellow.'[12]

    The commission admitted that ‘they have some reason to be satisfied, as they say they are, with their surroundings. The probability is that they would be on the streets of Sydney if they were not the mistresses of industrious Chinamen.’ and admitted that without the opium problem that ‘it would be impossible to say that these, among the most unfortunate class of women in our midst, had not improved their surroundings by crossing the racial line’ and ‘there is not ground for suspicion that our alien population is now a danger to youthful virtue.’ so the commission only ended up advocating tougher anti-opium measures, the women also rejected the claim by Inspector Richard Seymour in 1875 that opium rendered girls unconscious and vulnerable to sexual activity, making it clear that opium smokers were conscious during the smoking.[13] During an Inquiry in 1875 it was reported by the police that the Chinese were being serviced by young girls.[14]

    A European man originally impregnated Ellen B in Melbourne and she then moved to Beechworth, Albury, and finally Sydney after she gave birth, arriving at an Anglican church run “Church Home” which was for “fallen women” where a woman there introduced her to the Chinese.[15]

    Chinese men in The Rocks were sexually serviced by 40-50 European women, these women were not ‘mistresses’ who lived with a single Chinese man like the women interviewed by the commission but they were full-time prostitutes.[16] The commission admitted that ‘The European women who lived as prostitutes amongst the Chinese appear, in nearly every case, to have fled to their present haunts as to refuges from the brutality of men of their own race. They had lost caste; they had taken to drink; they were the drudges of larrikins who ill-treated them; some had been in gaol; none were enjoying the protection of decent homes. So, far the lack of better prospects, they sought the Chinamen, who at least pay them well and treat them kindly.’ and these prostitutes were found in Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales in the countryside amongst the Chinese settlements.[17] A lot of the prostitutes were Irish Catholic girls and women in colonial Australia.[18]”

    • migtronixMEMBER

      Get the fuck out of here! You’re equating modern suburban castrated Australian society – where you walk off the field in AFL and get seen to by 12 specialists on the sidelines, after being carried 5 feet, for a knee scrap – with pioneer Australia?

      Fuck you that’s worse astroturfing than 3d

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        Women are Victims Mig and need our protection,…everybody knows that,…If we (Aussie Blokes) are not up to the task,..and our almond-eyed Celestial brothers are,…then so be it.
        Let em have the angry bitches!

      • “Suburban castrated”? You mean it is the trendy PC vibrant-urbanism E-bike riding tofu-munching latte set who are the modern inheritors of the macho Aussie bloke tradition????? ROFL.

    • I can’t resist…. this reminds me of a joke told by a character in Roman Polanski’s “Chinatown”.
      A guy asks a Chinese guy for advice on enhancing his s*x life. The Chinese guy tells him, the way we do it is to make love for a bit, then stop and read a bit of Confucious, then make a bit more love, then stop and go outside and contemplate the stars, then make a bit more love and then stop and have a cup of tea…. and so on…. And this guy tries this with his missus, and after a while she says, “what ever is up with you, you are making love like a Chinaman”….!!!

  20. migtronixMEMBER

    3d1k
    September 6, 2012 at 11:17 am
    Thank you friend and sparring partners here at MB for your warm commendations. In light of the overwhelming support, I graciously accept nomination.

    Friend and sparring partners, I am sure you will share in the delight I experienced when advised by organisers that a typographical error inadvertently led to the omission of a zero at the end of the sum to be awarded. Conditions in regard to amount to be spent “standing up for our [marvellous world class] industry” remain as stated.

    As we all know both the pursuit of truth and generosity of spirit embedded in the resources sector knows no bounds.

    Thank you all.

    The Lorax
    September 6, 2012 at 11:47 am
    Can you accept an award from your employer, er, creator?

    3d1k
    September 6, 2012 at 11:50 am
    Consider it a bonus.

    • migtronixMEMBER

      “I’m can see that Macrobusiness is attracts its fair share of grumpy old men and agree that apart from a guy in my office it appears there is probably small readership in my age group. However, Macrobusiness does cover subjects that will affect us so one day you might find your “friends” from the College Lawn reading here too”

      Compare and contrast “friend and sparring partners here at MB”