Uhlmann vs Bolt on the G19

Apparently this ABC Insiders video hasbeen well-reived in the US:

That pretty much sums it up for me.

The loon pond answers via Andrew Bolt:

Sounds plausible, if you forget who Trump replaced. Didn’t Russia and China grow strong by filling the vacuum that was Barack Obama? Didn’t Syria collapse and North Korea develop its nuclear bombs as Obama quit the field and surrender to multilateralism?

Uhlmann wants Trump to not be an outsider at G20. But what was the issue on which he was most isolated?

It was on global warming – the Paris agreement. But check what that agreement did. It committed the US to cut its emissions while letting China and Russia increase their own. In other words, it was designed to weaken the US and strengthen China and Russia.

Isn’t the truth that it was Obama who weakened US influence, and it is now Trump who is asserting it?

Criticism from Merkel and Macron is not evidence of US decline. It is evidence that the US is now more focussed on the interests of the US, and not that of Germany and France.

Sure, Syria is a debacle but Iran was a triumph of diplomacy. Looking for certain outcomes in international relations is the stuff of unicorns and children.

Emission cuts in the US transpired via the shale gas revolution. They have delivered the US the cheapest gas and electricity in the developed and most of the emerging world (much cheaper than prior). I’m not sure you can thank Obama for that but you sure can’t turn into a negative unless you’re allergic to facts. Meanwhile, in Australia, we had the same fracking revolution but gave ourselves the highest gas and electricity prices in the world. Any Aussie criticising the Obama path to decarbonisation is a fool.

The truth is, Andrew, Trump is destroying US leadership at a spectacular rate as he backs everyone into a corner on North Korea, sells out Qatar and turns his home into a climate pariah.

If you gave two hoots about Australia and its democracy, you would not be cheering that on. Our next hegemon will not be so kind.

Comments

  1. surflessMEMBER

    Firstly Andrew bolt is certainly no word smith, bolt could never match Uhlmann or any else with objective reporting but could match anyone spitting vile and hate.

  2. Jake GittesMEMBER

    Not that Uhlmann’s analysis will not have any impact on the Trumpettes who see it as Bolt does, in terms of stupid bluster and little else. We can probably ascribe international decline to Ivanka who sits at the table when she’s not invited but isn’t getting the US policy over. Or maybe she sees it as a chance to sell accessories to Merkel and May.

  3. “but Iran was a triumph of diplomacy” WTF…are you mad? Obama opened the financial flood gates that will allow Iran to build nuclear weapons, what do you honestly think Iran is doing with its new found wealth? developing green power? Ha give me a break…you lefties will be the death of the West.
    Trump is no politician, he never claimed to be and that’s why the people voted him in. The people are sick of the US leadership, UK leadership and many other countries including our own, don’t blame Trump, the people voted him in… blame the people. The powerful politicians behind the scenes are furious that the people voted them out, and they including many on this forum, the Media, Commentators, Celebrities, Civil servants, Politicians are hell bent on destroying everything Trump says or does, good or bad there is a campaign to tear Trump down at any cost, blind Freddy can see it.

    • Jack, has Iran spent the 10’s of billions of dollars spreading radical fundamental islam through the world which has contributed to many of the current problems? Have a look at the news photos of young women who had just voted in the recent Iranian election – what colour is their hair and eyes?

      NO, try Saudi Arabia, Trump’s great pals and with a substantial finger in the 911 pie.

    • J BauerMEMBER

      “Blame the people” even then, the people only had the option to choose between the worlds two most hated baby boomers.

      Still funny that Clinton lost.

    • “but Iran was a triumph of diplomacy” WTF…are you mad? Obama opened the financial flood gates that will allow Iran to build nuclear weapons, what do you honestly think Iran is doing with its new found wealth? developing green power?

      Do you perhaps have a citation for this claim? The Iran deal actually helped the moderates stay in power to keep control of their nuclear programs away from the hardliners (who most certainly won’t be happy until they have bombs stored in bunkers).

      Trumps comments about the Iran deal and his subsequent election have actually resulted in some shifted support towards the hardliners in Iran. If he renegs on the deal Obama struck then you can almost guarantee that the moderates won’t last the next election.

      • No, I don’t Jason, unfortunately I have to sit back and wait like everyone else to see what Iran does. Relying on the moderates to stay in power in Iran is not an effective means to limit Iran’s’ nuclear ambitions. My concern is Iran is still forging ahead behind closed doors with the new found wealth Obama has made available to them and paying lips service to the West, just like North Korea has done. Time will tell, I hope you are right & I am wrong.

      • Interesting insight Jason, and consistent with what I thought was going on. Calling it a triumph of democracy is laying it on a bit thick, I’d agree. But I did think that was one of the very few bits of geo-strategic policy that the Obama administration got right in the ME. He strengthened moderate reformists within Iran while slightly distancing the US from Saudi Arabia and Israel. Hamas (whatever your views re: their ideology) seem like the logical counter-balancing force against ISIL as well. If they started a campaign against ISIL (at Tehran’s direction), it would have allowed the US to do less heavy lifting in the region (and would have forced the Saudis to do a great deal more). I also wonder if it was the start of an attempted reconciliation with Russia (who are Iran’s’ primary arms supplier)…

        I really can’t understand Trump’s sudden reversal on Iran (at least if his rhetoric is to be believed). It just seems bad for everyone except Saudi Arabia and Israel. It’s even more puzzling to me since it puts the US directly at odds with Russia. If one buys the narrative the media has been pushing, that Trump is a Russian Manchurian candidate, surely all he had to do to please his comrades in the motherland was to leave this one on cruise control….

    • Ronin8317MEMBER

      Iran did not test any nuclear weapons since the agreement, so it is definitely a success compared to how Trump is dealing with North Korea.

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      Trump is no politician, he never claimed to be and that’s why the people voted him in. The people are sick of the US leadership, UK leadership and many other countries including our own, don’t blame Trump, the people voted him in… blame the people. The powerful politicians behind the scenes are furious that the people voted them out, and they including many on this forum, the Media, Commentators, Celebrities, Civil servants, Politicians are hell bent on destroying everything Trump says or does, good or bad there is a campaign to tear Trump down at any cost, blind Freddy can see it.

      You do know Trump lost the popular vote, right ?

      • Not the first President to win without the popular vote and wont be the last, Trump won… what’s your point?

    • Trump suckered the voters, drain the swamp my ass. He filled key positions with the very same swamp creatures he riled agsinst. Trumps nothing more than another branch of same corrupt crony capitalist cabel and the best thing that’s ever happened to the centre-left.

  4. Bolt’s a laugh, he was adamantly against Trump until he started copping too much heat from his nutty audience and it was clear Trump was the nominee. He didn’t even have the courage of his convictions to do a George Will. He just got on the train to keep his audience happy.

    The Murdoch goons are in such a hilarious bind. Normally they’d be advocating for American dominance, now they have to cheer isolation

    • astrolinMEMBER

      That’s true and immediately after Trump’s win he acted as if he knew Trump would win all along.

  5. HadronCollision

    “Any Aussie criticising the Obama path to decarbonisation is a fool.”

    Can you confirm – your view is that fracking is on Obama’s path to decarbonisation?

  6. Bolt: “It was on global warming – the Paris agreement. But check what that agreement did. It committed the US to cut its emissions while letting China and Russia increase their own. In other words, it was designed to weaken the US and strengthen China and Russia.”

    Here is the essentially tragic stupidity of the Bolt/Abbott mind-set; the premise is that unnecessary emissions reduction weakens the economy. In fact what will occur is the opposite of his last sentence. Further, a fundamental weakening of the USA’s position will occur as its isolation destroys any ambitions or pretensions to world leadership, and it later has inevitably to catch up with the rest of the world.

    Bolt: “Criticism from Merkel and Macron is not evidence of US decline. It is evidence that the US is now more focussed on the interests of the US, and not that of Germany and France.”

    Actually, the US is now more focused on the interests of Trump Inc. than those of the the USA.

  7. ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

    “The truth is, Andrew, Trump is destroying US leadership at a spectacular rate”

    The Bolts and Abbotts of this world couldn’t care less about what individual issues they misrepresent or any kind of big picture Narrative for that matter,…it all just about digging into their same old partisan war against the “Left”,…to them, Truth and facts are irrelevant. It’s all about cutting down the other guys Opinion.
    They are not only pathetic,..but are fucking down right dangerous,..like the Murdoch organisation and Macquarie radio these people work to pervert any kind of Informed Democracy we could have.

  8. “Apparently this ABC Insiders video hasbeen well-reived in the US””
    Breaking News!
    New York is Not the whole USA. San Francisco is not the whole USA. NEW York AND SF together are not the whole USA.

    In further breaking news Australia exists outside Sydney and Melbourne!!!!!

  9. Relevant StakeholderMEMBER

    I don’t get Uhlmann’s argument, Western Civilisation’s institutions were attacked and gutted a long time ago.