Abbott defeats spill 61-39, should resign

That’s a high enough rebel vote for this to run the distance. From Phil Coorey:

…the fact that more than one third of the Liberal Party voted for the spill, indicating they no longer have confidence in the Prime Minister, means the issue is more than likely to be revisited should Mr Abbott not be able to pull out of the nose dive.

Had the 30 ministers been allowed a free vote on the spill motion, the result would have been much closer and perhaps the motion may have even passed.

Leaving church on Monday morning, Mr Abbott, who was confident of the numbers, repeated the message…“We need to put this behind us and get on with being the government were elected to be,’’ he said.

No mate, you need to go back to the confessional for guidance, and resign for the good of your party and country:

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Comments

  1. He’s gone. Too high a number, probably more than 40% against when you consider there wasn’t even an alternative hand up.

    Tick Tock.

    • Yup, pass the popcorn, TA to star in new movie: “Death by Million Cuts”

      ► Extreme stress in PM’s office
      ► Party tension
      ► His next error will be fatal
      ► Continuing bad polls will keep ramping up pressure

      Outcome inevitable. Two thumbs up!

      • He’s called a Channel 9 camera crew into his office for a 1 on 1. No general press conference.

        He may be about to resign.

        ??

      • No. It seems like he’s decided to dig in.

        Hang in there Tony! Strayans love you! (dont look at the polls)

      • maybe all of this is just a ruse to deflect attention away from some nasty legislation they are Abbott to dump on Australia

        like, since when can anyone trust them not to be the sneaky dishonest turds they always prove themselves to be?

        p

  2. Malcolm Farr 9 minutes ago
    If all 41 ministers & whips voted no, the big majority of 59 backbenchers — 66% — voted for a spill. 39% of the partyroom.

  3. CommanderLemming

    Central leaning Liberals should split from the Liberal Party, and leave the Abbott’s and Bernardi’s and the rest of the religious right to their inevitable irrelevance. Form a new centre-right party that’s business friendly, socially tolerant, future looking, and claim the centre.

    • That is right.

      He is going to be the next PM unless the Liberal Party wake up to the fact that they have an totally un-electable leader who has almost zero confidence in the community.

      • bolstroodMEMBER

        @Lorax

        So was Campbell Newman’s Govt. If not the leader himself.

        6 more weeks of Abbott, who knows what damage he will inflict.

        I live in hope, ‘cos I live in an active CSG area(Lismore) with a very pro CSG sitting member.

      • bolstrood: CSG is a hot button issue up here, as are roads (Koalas etc) and development (Pru Goward overruling Councils) but there’s no anger in Sydney at Baird like there was in Brisbane with Newman.

      • bolstroodMEMBER

        @tmarsh

        Swampy, Kevin Hogan is against CSG, he’s the Federal member.I have spoken with him and believe him to be genuinely concerned about unconventional gases affect on closely settled areas such as the Northern Rivers.
        CSG legislation is a State issue and the Nat member for the seat of Lismore , Thomas George is a very strong supporter of Metgasco in particular and the CSG industry more generally.

      • Sorry Bolstrood, I read your comment as Fed member, Hoges.

        Not that slimey corrupt George.

        I mean, what landowner wants that sh%t on their land, cough without a cough cough payment err, unless they’re obviously concerned about helping has companies safely get tight gas out from prime land and near water. Safely, mind.

    • Yes that is right too and ultimately the Libs will respond to that, however TA will remain for a little while longer to damage the party further.

    • “The real issue here is that Australians have said no.”

      Australians haven’t said “No” and whether or not they do, won’t be seen until the next election. The Backbenchers have expressed their concerns and Abbott has acknowledged an inability to sell the message.
      Get ready for a media blitz (at our expense) to tell us all how good, caring and constructively consultative the PM is and how he is the best man (not person) to lead Australia.

      The real Loser here is Australia.

  4. I think its a great success that he is still in, twisting on the wire as it bites deeper and deeper. Who knows what innovative policies he will come up with to resolve this situation? Low cost housing? Free education? Jobs for our youth? Squirrel farms?

    The farce that is our government marches on triumphantly.

    • Epic move rolling out Bernadi today, that fuckwit makes Abbott look like a positively genuine, caring kinda guy and one you want to re-elect just to keep idiots like him on side.

  5. ceteris paribus

    Hail Caesar!! Yet, beware the Ides of March. Malcolm has a mean and hungry look. As for Julia, she is a flake.

    • Hooraaa

      Our glorious leader has defeated the traitors. Our ministry of information has wonderfully covered our hero’s victory.

      The traitors must now be gaoled.

    • You forgot the rest of the ‘lean and hungry look’ quote –

      “He thinks too much. Such men are dangerous”

      Caesar’s solution?

      ” Let me have men about me that are fat,
      Sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights.”

      Ring any bells?

  6. Well now that has been resolved we can now get back to helping the LNP understand why their economic narrative and policy response is soooooo bad.

    That the main stream media will now have some light weight human interest political soap to rabbit on about – they find economics makes their head hurt – means one thing. Reading the MSM will be even more excruciating than normal.

    In other news Ross Gittins has discovered household debt and the limits of monetary policy.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/worried-reserve-bank-officials-opt-for-risky-strategy-20150208-138m9f.html

    QE for the People as an equitable technique for eradicating debt accounting entries is only a matter of time.

    Go Ross!

    • Alternatively, let the bust cycle play out just like they have let the boom cycle play out! Creative destruction, comprehension of risk and so forth are admirable outcomes and built into the system – if it were allowed to happen. RBA & government need to step back.

      Edit: A good article by Ross too. The panic cut instead of an altered statement followed by a cut 4 weeks later highlights RBA incompetence and failure.

      • Did you get out some cheap bubbly, skippy?

        It’s the weather for it here in Melbourne, not that I have the option.

      • @skippy rubbish, there’s a reason that wisdom like “necessity is the mother of invention” have stood the test of time.

        Imagine for a second how different Australia would be if we didn’t have to spend our lives paying obscene money to housing (rent or buy) and if specufestors had to actually work & contribute to the economy instead of leeching like the freeloaders they are.

      • Naw Stat …never saw the point drowning sorrows, tho’ I do enjoy good spirited charging sessions with fellows…

        Skippy… this was always going to be a decade or so work out, for better or worse. Getting to bent about the vulgar signage long the tracks, during that journey, will only warp one in a bad way imo.

      • Not a ‘drowning sorrows’ event. More like a ‘stirrup cup’ – a blast on the horn and we’re into the fray…

      • Wisdom??? you jest.

        Quantify it with data or leave the sermon for parishioners..

        Just for brevity’s sake you could just focus on post WWII poli sci antics like MPS and the Volker fund. Think tank memory’s is a primer – http://michael-hudson.com/2014/10/think-tank-memories/

        I hate to tell you but AET is a completely concocted bunch of wankery, Schumpeter’s ex nihilo axioms are a ideological pole by which to hang biased observations on.

        That’s the crazy part AET and neoclassical were status quo projects from inception, it took a massive amount of money and political leverage to validate it. It was and never will be intellectually honest as contrived sociopolitical templates never are.

        Skippy… these are the two main schools which enabled our currant economic and political malaise.

      • these are the two main schools which enabled our currant economic and political malaise.

        No, they are not! The Marxists Stalinist penchant for mass surveillance and constant fear mongering does not come from Austrian Economic Theory or the Mount Pelerin Society.

        Why don’t you tell us with historical evidence how AET influenced the surveillance state?

      • Additionally Mig-i, the state surveillance et al is a product of anti communist – socialist policy. Heck phone land lines have been monitored for 50ish years in the States, Fort Huachuca if memory serves and before that telegraph.

        Skippy… its just more intrusive now and with gps coms, personal devices, et al. Some things just get a life of their own after a bit it seems, that an a profit multiplier to GDP. Snicker~

      • “Skippy… its just more intrusive now and with gps coms, personal devices, et al. ”

        Thankfully we can trust that our privacy and data is safe in the hands of transnational corporations like Facebook and Google!

      • @RobW,

        What would really cook Mig-i noddle is the Tsunami of poorly weighed credit risk was enabled by the rational agent model… in the first bloody case.

        Skippy… Its like watching kids try and stay awake all night to see Santa, fall asleep, only to wake to pressies and say…. Santa was here – [!!!!!!].

  7. I am not sure why everyone here loves Turnbull, the man is just another megalomaniac in it for himself. He’s wanted to be PM since he was at Oxford. People go on about Bishop’s representing the asbestos merchants but everyone seems to forget the Member for Goldman’s involvement in the biggest corporate collapse in Australia’s history.

    If you want to know who the real Malcolm is:

    http://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/gw-classics/raging-turnbull-20140904-10c7ye.html

    • Its all relative …

      one doesn’t find oneself screaming at the TV whenever MT is on … while TA’s smug grin drives me to violence against home appliances …

      • KlimashkinaSydney

        That’s a bit of a problem then isn’t it. Would you not rather the smarmy but bumbling rather than the polished but beholden to vested interests?

      • Abbott is just as invested to interests as MT. Perhaps, since he doesn’t have a brain in his head nor a policy of any substance, is even more reliant on vested interests for good publicity and policy ideas.

      • Not everyone can smile while making a threat; it takes a particular personal toughness. “My tentacles spread to New York,” Turnbull says, smiling, when he finds out I am moving to New York. Almost before the threat hits its target. the charm is back on.

        Sounds like a great candidate for PM. An ambitious psychopath with lots of ties to Australian big business and a penchant for threatening critics and detractors into silence.

  8. Privatization will proceed apace… one final push before the next election…. and then it will be to late…

    Skippy…. consumers will eventually acclimatize… eventually…

  9. These things always take two pushes.

    The script was written decades ago. The leader is wounded but not defeated; nothing gets better, especially the polls; every minister is completely distracted; the media talk about little else; the inevitable happens.

    We’ve seen it happen time and time and time again.

    This is the time of the year when the Government is supposed to be putting a budget together. This is always important but especially so when the economy is looking dodgy. Instead they will be introspective until this thing is finally over.

  10. Now the witch hunt starts for the 39 for the spill, already reading that Cory Bernardi has launched attacks against Malcolm Turnbull.
    The right wing of the Liberal Party is about to start ‘Night of long knifes’ purge of remaining ‘wet’ Liberal Party members in pre-selection ballots.
    All this is going to do is produce acolytes, this is going to entrench the already present nepotism and cronyism. As seen by the buying of South Australian votes with submarine contract.

    • Hate to tell you – Council of Nicea.

      For those so inclined, it would necessitate a wept period of some considerable time.

  11. The more important message from this concerns the system of government.

    If these politicians are so bound by ties of loyalty that they cannot even make a decision in their own best interest, why on earth would anyone imagine they could make decisions in the best interests of other people??

    The system is a failure.

  12. You can get Sky live feed HnH. Vastly superior coverage. Even your good mate Bernard is watching 😉

  13. Better than the Holy Grail, with Tony as the Black Knight and Malcolm as King Arthur:

    [after slicing one of the Black Knight’s arms off]
    King Arthur: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
    Black Knight: ‘Tis but a scratch.
    King Arthur: A scratch? Your arm’s off.
    Black Knight: No it isn’t.
    King Arthur: What’s that, then?
    Black Knight: [after a pause] I’ve had worse.
    King Arthur: You liar.
    Black Knight: Come on ya pansy.

    • the day after the next idiotic captain’s pick.

      I would put money on the 3-4 week period from now.

      1/2TT will keep his head down on policy whilst doing a media blitz where he rolls out the slogans. again.

      it will take a few weeks for the hubris to resume.

  14. PMs statement

    The Liberal Party has dealt with the spill motion and now this matter is behind us.

    We are absolutely determined to work for you, the people, who elected us.

    We want to end the disunity and the uncertainty which destroyed two Labor governments, and give you the good government that you deserve.

    We think that when you elect a government, when you elect a prime minister, you deserve to keep that government and that prime minister until you have a chance to change your mind.

    So, the focus now is once more on jobs, families, a stronger economy and a secure nation.

    We do face many challenges.

    At heart, we are a highly successful country, justifiably proud of what we’ve achieved.

    In essence, we are a strong economy with so much creativity and dynamism, and the challenge for government is to work with you, not against you.

    I love this country, and I will do my best to help our country to succeed.

    http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2015-02-09/statement-prime-ministers-office-parliament-house

    https://twitter.com/zegcartoonist/status/564561059491479552

    • We think that when you elect a government, when you elect a prime minister, you deserve to keep that government and that prime minister until you have a chance to change your mind.

      We didn’t elect you, we unelected Gillard and Rudd. You were an unforeseen hazard (for most people), an unintended consequence

  15. “the challenge for government is to work with you, not against you.”

    That would make a nice change. But Abbott is nearly 60 years old. He is not going to change the habits of a life time. He is by instinct, by character and by ideology, a destroyer.

    • Abbott hasn’t changed one bit.

      – In his press release we get the repeat sloganeering; So, the focus now is once more on jobs, families, a stronger economy and a secure nation.

      – In the process he’s thrown the submarine contract into disarray just to win a few votes from SA.

      – The budget was ‘Too bold and too ambitious’ not mention of being unfair which is what people judged it to be.

      – How many times does he have to say ‘we’ve changed’ yet throws a great Game of Thrones move by bringing forward the Monday spill after telling everyone it was to be on Tuesday.

      The list goes on.

  16. 1. for the time being.
    2. read party donors/backers.
    3. then step down.
    4. Wasn’t it Keating who said “you get the party you deserve”. Whatever did we do to deserve this?
    5. read 457’s, split families,more inequality and more draconian big brother laws.
    6. Not least, p%sspoor leadership.
    7. Yes, I believe Britain is doing well in comparison atm.
    8. What? By decimating the CSIRO? Being anti-science? Ignoring Alternative energy initiatives? By making ill informed “Captains calls”?
    9. There he goes on about Britain again.

    • In some ways I actually want the LNP to retain TA until the bitter end.

      Would be great to see the party that voted to keep him on to be completely smashed at the next election. Maybe then they can reflect and realize, “oh, perhaps we’ve made some bad calls on our captain.. ” (Since 2009)

  17. #StayOnTony

    Our stock market had been rising uninterruptedly for 11 days, until this morning, when Tony ‘prevailed’.

    Something in that ?

  18. #libsquib = Own goal
    #libsquib = free kick to Labor – go help us – labor run by shorten, minus a heap of experience – Crean, Ferguson, Roxon, Combet, Gillard …. Shorten, Wong & Plebersek don’t make a gov – not to mention the almost exclusively union sourced turkeys getting them down …
    #libsquib =zero chance of any new meesage getting out – endless leadership chatter – endless Labor joy.
    #libsquib = the gift that keeps giving to Labor
    #libsquib = ongoing sh*thouse governance for Australia
    #libsquib = ongoing moronic political discourse
    #libsquib = ….

    Ok I’ll stop – for now.

    • If you think that’s scary, you should see the the ALP lineup up here in Queensland. Almost makes Plibersek and co. look reasonable. Palaszczuk has now reconsidered the question re the rate of GST and she is almost positive it is 10%. Asked on radio last week if she would entertain any support from outside the party, she said no, no, no, and definitely no, then took 3 nanoseconds to hop into bed with Wellington, the sod that gave us Beattie in ’98.

      • I did wonder about the probability that one of the last 8-9 standing would actually be the best person from Labor to run the sate …

        Given the result and the change in numbers – I actually wondered, unusual as it may be, but given the circumstances – whether best thing for the state might be that Palaszczuk declares the position vacant and then re-contest …

  19. History doesn’t repeat but it does rhyme (we’re up to the bolded bit)

    On 23 November 2009, the Coalition’s climate change spokesman Ian Macfarlane agreed to a deal with the government to amend the ETS legislation.] The amendments provided industry with substantial compensation and exemptions from the ETS. Turnbull took the deal to Liberal MPs for formal approval, but a majority of backbenchers opposed it. Turnbull nonetheless claimed he had the Coalition’s support, by counting as supporters the 20 members of the Coalition Shadow Cabinet who he argued should be presumed to support the deal. This claim was met with rancour by his opponents in the Coalition.

    Anger at Turnbull’s response to the 23 November 2009 meeting triggered a spill motion against his leadership three days later. The motion was moved by Kevin Andrews, a former Minister in the Howard government, but was defeated by a vote of 48 to 35. Andrews was not seen as a genuine prospect for the leadership, so the close vote on the spill motion was considered a blow to Turnbull. While Abbott supported Turnbull at the time of Andrews’ spill, he subsequently resigned from the frontbench. Several others joined Abbott in resigning, including Nick Minchin, Eric Abetz, Sophie Mirabella and Tony Smith.

    Abbott announced on 27 November—one day after Turnbull survived Kevin Andrews’ spill motion—that he would challenge Turnbull for the leadership. Abbott committed to withdrawing his candidacy if Joe Hockey was to challenge. Abbott confirmed his opposition to the ETS legislation, questioning why Australia would legislate for a potentially detrimental economic measure before other countries had committed to do the same. A Newspoll released on 30 November placed Hockey at 33%, Turnbull at 30% and Abbott at 19%, when voters were asked who would be the “best person to lead” the Liberal Party. Speculation flourished that Hockey would challenge Turnbull, and Hockey consulted senior party dignitaries such as Howard and Costello about whether he should run.

    Hockey faced a dilemma. A moderate in the Liberal Party, Hockey had been a consistent supporter of the ETS. Running against Turnbull would mean taking the leadership with the support of the party’s right wing and climate change sceptics.[ Turnbull seized on the dilemma, claiming Hockey had given Turnbull his “complete support” and was still a firm supporter of the ETS legislation.

    Hockey attempted to resolve his dilemma by declaring that as leader he would allow a conscience vote on the ETS legislation. Abbott rejected Hockey’s declaration, and reneged on his earlier indication that he would withdraw his candidacy for Hockey. Abbott stated: “It now seems pretty clear we could change the leader to Joe and these offensive bills could still go through the Parliament”. On Hockey’s candidacy, Turnbull claimed that Hockey had pledged his opposition to the spill motion. However, it was expected that if the spill motion succeeded, Hockey would stand for the leadership against Turnbull and Abbott. Hockey was generally expected to win the ballot and become leader. To the end, Turnbull refused to stand aside as leader, insisting he would defeat the spill motion. Hockey later alleged that Turnbull had promised he would not stand against Hockey if the spill motion was successful. Turnbull denied that he had given, and therefore broken, any such undertaking.

  20. The problem with the media is that it is one way. Even with the invention of facebook and all the other time-wasting advertising platforms around.

    No matter how loud I shout at the ABC coverage I cant stop a politician mid sentence and say sorry that is complete BS, and i’d appreciate it if you would stop treating me like i’m stupid enough to believe you.

      • Cheers Bogan – I will definitely read later – but I’m sure there is plenty more to read on a blog entitled “Politically homeless” – it is totally how I feel.

      • Thanks for this

        PS that 68 acre block next door is still for sale, 550 would get it. Imagine the sick MTB and MX tracks to build. Golf. Clay targets.

      • The guy hits the nail on the head. The media are a joke.
        I don’t know what they learn in their journalist degrees, but clearly it doesn’t include asking questions on policy detail, checking claims made by ministers against evidence, not letting ministers make stuff up, checking with independent experts. They just report on the narrative, blissfully unaware that it is impossible to report on a narrative without also reinforcing a narrative.
        Some obvious examples, which are annoying the hell out of me at the moment:
        – Hockey is currently borrowing approx $1.7b a month more than Rudd/Gillard did on avg. Growth of gross debt since he took over has been extraordinary. Yet he is still able to front the media and interviews and talk about “Labors debt and deficit disaster”. No journalist ever calls him out on it. How hard is it to go to the AOFM website, check the numbers and hold him to account.
        – Hockey (and the rest of the Government) continue to repeat the inane matra that public debt is an intergenerational transfer. Every economist knows that that is complete crap. So why don’t they ask an economist, confirm if the claim is valid and hold Hockey to account?
        – The budget: When it was brought down, pretty much all the journalists reported the narrative that is was a tough, albeit responsible, courageous and neccessary budget.
        The only reason the public ever cottoned on to the fact that the budget was a draconian fraud was because welfare groups (like ACOSS – who actually read it) pointed out how grossly unfair it was, Grattan institute pointed out that the GP changes were nonsensical, State Governments pointed out that most of the “savings” – like aged care cuts, GP payments – were really just a transfer from the States to the Commonwealth.
        Pretty much the only maintream journalist who produced any worthwhile analysis on it was Brian Toohey (on the pension/super angle)
        And today, they’re all reporting the leadership issues as though they’re occuring in a policy void. ‘The public is sick of Tony Abbott’ blah blah blah.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Well TM, my place up north is going on the market soon. Bought a slighty used hybrid yesterday for half price too.

        Maybe…

  21. We need to put this behind us and get on with being the government were elected to be,’’ he said

    Pretty sure Labour said this a few times and look what happened there.

    Goodbye Mr Abbott and goodbye to the last shred of credibility that is Australian Politics. I for one am now so indifferent to this corrupt and BS process that I will no longer waste an hour driving to and lining up at the booths to vote.

  22. All the commentary here about an impending right-wing purge of the coalition moderates seems to be missing something. What has actually happened in Canberra?

    The spill motion to kick Abbott out was spearheaded by some of the most conservative MPs among the Libs. Who are these three?

    Luke Simpkins – opposed Stolen Generations ‘sorry’/wants a ban on burqas/on a constant jihad against halal food labelling/ and an unforgettable truly embarrassing Islamic flag-chasing moment

    Don Randall – opposed Stolen Generations ‘sorry’/

    Dennis Jensen – opposed Stolen Generations ‘sorry’/ climate sceptic

    How about this for an alternative analysis –

    The cabinet early last week approved a motion to enforce FIRB rules.
    Abbott mentioned it in his press club speech and then again on 2GB on Friday, Hockey said it on Saturday and the PM repeated it during an ABC interview yesterday.
    This is the new Abbott-led government policy.

    The question is: Were – at least some of – the spill proponents backed by interests that opposed FIRB enforcement? Is that why they backed a spill against Abbott?

    • Interesting.

      Well, if there is a change of leader, their position on certain policy commitments (like FIRB) will reveal a lot.

  23. Tenacious Tones Tussles Treasonous Turncoats, Temporarily Triumphant: Tomorrow Tussles Toe to Toe.

  24. . Who are these three?

    Luke Simpkins – opposed Stolen Generations ‘sorry’/wants a ban on burqas/on a constant jihad against halal food labelling/ and an unforgettable truly embarrassing Islamic flag-chasing moment
    Sounds like an Australian to me. Andrew Bolt is still offering a reward if you can find 10 “stolen” people. Here’s your chance, and find me 10 Aussies who like Burqa who aren’t Islamic. Why should Australians be financing Islamic terror through Halal extortion? What country do you come from? More importantly, when are you leaving?

    • migtronixMEMBER

      You nong, they’re financing terrorist through petrol consumption. What country do you come from and more importantly when are you swimming back (you know, so you don’t fund terror and all….)

      • migtronixMEMBER

        I’m not the retard banging on about “funding terrorism” with some hallal labeling or whatever the f…

    • It’s a free country and I’m not overly fussed about the MPs’ policies (although I am against the idea of using the power of the state to control how people dress).

      My point was to highlight that the 3 MPs don’t politically align with Malcolm Turnbull – except perhaps when it comes to the FIRB enforcement.

  25. Perth is a big mining town…
    it will go burst first due to commodity price free fall…

    then spread to other capital cities..

  26. Tony ABBOTT
    R.I.P

    We loved you Tony … don’t ever forget that.
    The country is, as they should be, so grateful that you had been captain of our ship.

    Always in our thoughts, remembered forever.

  27. I think Abbott is hoping the economy will recover, then he will be “out of the woods”. Too many people blame Abbott for the economic woes. Abbott just happened to be Prime Minister at this “difficult” time.

    • I have a hunch that he would have blown it at any other time as well. His abilities as a leader limit him to the post of the mayor of a small to medium sized regional council. I am sure that he had his talents and charms but they are not able to be used for the role of Prime Minister of Australia.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Yep. If he was told of a boom he would have thought it meant a terrorist attack and invaded the Cocos Islands.

  28. Abbott 3.0 on 7:30 Report mentions ‘inter-generational theft’……

    All of a sudden, I’m listening.