“Alarm bells about Abbott Guv’ are deafening”

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I’ve been accused by some of bias for my stand against what I see as a baffling string of blunders by the new Abbott Government regarding our relations with the world. But this afternoon my view is getting some high-powered support from conservative forces. Geoff Kitney of the AFR has written a stinging critique of Abbottism that is well worth your time:

The alarm bells about the Abbott government are becoming deafening. And they are ringing around the world. What started as a rumble in Jakarta is now echoing through the capitals of every nation which has any dealings with Australia.

And it’s not hard to imagine that the first question being asked about Abbott’s Australia is: “What on earth is going on?”

What is happening is that a dramatic re-positioning of the way Australia relates to the rest of the world is under way.

…It took a while, but we are now seeing the true colours of Abbottism. For those who expected an Abbott administration to resume where the Howard government left off, what we are now seeing will be a surprise. This is a completely new brand of conservative politics.

The new “brand Australia” that the Abbott government is presenting to the world is neo-conservative nationalism, with a populist twist.

…The first big foreign investment decision of an “open for business” government is to slam the door. Hockey now faces a daunting task to explain what the exceptional circumstances were that forced him to block the sale.

…Australia’s most important regional relationships – Indonesia and with China – have entered dangerous territory since the Abbott government came to power.

In both cases, this has not been because of actions initiated by the government but by its responses to external events which have revealed its basic instincts.

And what this has revealed has been a worryingly narrow vision which seems to take too little heed of the economic dimensions of Australia’s foreign and strategic interests.

…The elevation of the boat arrivals issue to the level of a threat to Australia’s security and the Abbott government’s go-it-alone, populist “sovereign borders” policy for dealing with it have deepened the gulf of misunderstanding in the relationship.

The danger of this gulf was emphasised in Abbott’s initial domestic-audience targeted response to Indonesia’s anger about the spying revelations. The idea of Indonesia as an economic friend rather than a strategic threat is completely missing from the Australian domestic debate.

…The soaring tensions between China, Japan and the United States over China’s muscular assertion of its ownership of the disputed islands in the East China Sea have spread to our relationship with China.The tit-for-tat diplomatic protests between Canberra and Beijing in recent days have confirmed that China sees Australia as a US proxy.

Abbott has defended Australia’s protest to Beijing as an assertion of Australia’s “values and interest”. The use of the word “values” will be especially noted in Beijing: It’s a strong echo of the US conservative language about why China is a strategic opponent.

Hear hear. This country needs a governing compass beyond Tony Abbott’s (or is it Mark Textor’s) limited political instincts. It needs it now.

Comments

  1. Fair headline and over all I agree with vector of analysis, echoing around the world seems a bit strong but whatever the essence is still germain.

    3d1k,it seems like you know this crew how closely aligned with neo cons are they?

    AUD about to cross back over 9100 sigh

    • He doesn’t know them.

      And they’re not thoughtful neocons. It’s reflexive populism in a cloak of respectability.

      Abbottism is slogans then fill in the blanks. I didn’t think we could sink below Gillard and Rudd but we are with astonishing speed.

      • Abbottism is slogans and fill the rest.

        Only difference to Ruddism is the slogans can actually be comprehended.

        Forget Abbottisms what do we actually do here? I say make Kevin Rudd special envoy to China, it’ll at least buy us some time while they try to figure out wtf he’s talking about. Or in which language.

      • Gee why would anyone think you were biased?..
        and obviously you know absolutely nothing about 3d1k or what that person thinks. Perhaps because of a closed mind!

      • Well bad or good, his responses certainly seem to be resonating well with the local bogan populace here in Perth.

    • “3d1k,it seems like you know this crew how closely aligned with neo cons are they?”

      why would you expect a shill to give you an honest answer about anything, why would you ask it’s opinion, it doesn’t have one, it’s a shill ? 😉

  2. And Abbott desn’t have the excuses of not having been in government before and of having had to form a minority government.

    And Pyne has proved to be as deceitful as any minister of the Labor government.

        • Hopefully well before then.

          Or alternatively, if they bring back Peter the treasurer, then when can have the country run by

          Abbot and Costello !!!!

          That would get us some headlines in the USA.

      • Yeah, but at least Hockey looks like he’s having a tough time believing what comes out of his mouth.

        • Agreed. He seems to be trying to put forward one idea only to keep getting his leash tugged by Abbot and co to fall back into line.

          I expected Hockey to never get the job of treasure if the libs won. Now i see why he did get it. He is easy to pull into line with what abbot wants.

          • Not if most of the media would stop hyperventilating. They’ll exhaust themselves if they carry on like this for the next two and a half years over every Abbott government action.

            Hack mentality.

          • Now if only the media would stop reporting things like fellow Liberals calling Pyne “immoral”. Clearly a media beat up!

          • Not if most of the media would stop hyperventilating. They’ll exhaust themselves if they carry on like this for the next two and a half years over every Abbott government action.
            Careful, deploying that sort of irony could get you thrown in Gitmo.

          • Disagree Lorax, I have not yet seen 3d1k reduced to desperation yet and I doubt this will do it, but I have found that if you engage with 3d and propose reasonable counter-arguments he/she will respond — sometimes completely off topic trying to get to switch the debate (“seems to me only the Australian media and one Chinese official seem upset” – not the point if you fart in a elevators only those present will be upset but the ramifications maybe you take the stairs from now on), sometimes with his/her own counters.

            Maybe the rest of you should try and draw him/her out into open intellectual battle but I don’t see it. Drsmithy is a like an echo chamber, he’ll point out the fallacies in your argument and then says “See!! Nah nah nah nah” (still waiting on actual number of what you actually think any single individual should have to pay via taxes, or be allowed to draw down via benefits(?) – and I include corporations amogst that)

          • Drsmithy is a like an echo chamber, he’ll point out the fallacies in your argument and then says “See!! Nah nah nah nah” […]
            If your argument relies on a fallacy, it’s broken by design.

            (still waiting on actual number of what you actually think any single individual should have to pay via taxes, or be allowed to draw down via benefits(?) – and I include corporations amogst that)
            This one, for example, is a begging-the-question fallacy.

          • Drsmithy: Wow you bothered to respond to an off hand comment and still managed to get it wrong.

            a)Your first remark is itself a fallacy — fallacy of taking the whole argument for the sum of the parts — this not so, there maybe a logical fallacy as part of you argument, which when exposed one removes and carries on with the argument on better ground. It does not invalidate the entire argument for there to be contradiction somewhere in it.

            b) I didn’t make any assertion, assumption, deducement or inference, it was merely a request for data and clarification of your position — you failed to provide any and then proceed to call an request an argument, and expose it as fallacious.

            What have you been smoking dude, because I like to roll up a tree now and again and I’d love to try some of what you’ve been trying

          • “Not if most of the media would stop hyperventilating. They’ll exhaust themselves if they carry on like this for the next two and a half years over every Abbott government action.”

            The media managed to keep it up for 3 three years of Gillard & Rudd, shouldn’t be beyond them to keep Abbot uncomfortable until the next election. And let’s be honest, he’s providing much higher quality fuel for the fire.

          • Drsmithy: Wow you bothered to respond to an off hand comment and still managed to get it wrong.
            I bothered to respond to a comment aimed directly at me.

            a)Your first remark is itself a fallacy — fallacy of taking the whole argument for the sum of the parts — this not so, there maybe a logical fallacy as part of you argument, which when exposed one removes and carries on with the argument on better ground. It does not invalidate the entire argument for there to be contradiction somewhere in it.
            You obviously have some specific example in your mind. However, I have no idea what it is you’re referring to.
            b) I didn’t make any assertion, assumption, deducement or inference, it was merely a request for data and clarification of your position — you failed to provide any and then proceed to call an request an argument, and expose it as fallacious.
            Your request is begging the question. It assumes there is some magic amount of tax that can be stated that will be appropriate for any situation.

          • migtronixMEMBER

            Smithy this is what your wonderful government services are capable of when fattened by tax payers and left unchecked:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10486452/Woman-has-child-taken-from-her-womb-by-social-services.html?fbWoman has child taken from womb by social services!!! Begging the question? Sod off how about wanting accountability?

            Btw i was talking you cutting and pasting 10% of an argued response and leave it there never bolstering your own plainly indefensible position that government should steal as much a disburse to whoever as much as they like. If you can’t quantify how much it can be then by implication it can be infinite. good luck with that.

          • Smithy this is what your wonderful government services are capable of when fattened by tax payers and left unchecked:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10486452/Woman-has-child-taken-from-her-womb-by-social-services.html?fbWoman has child taken from womb by social services!!! Begging the question? Sod off how about wanting accountability?
            Your inability to construct a position that doesn’t rely on fundamentally flawed reasoning is not my fault.
            The above is a straw man fallacy. No-one – least of all me – has ever argued for a lack of accountability and transparency from Government.
            Btw i was talking you cutting and pasting 10% of an argued response and leave it there never bolstering your own plainly indefensible position that government should steal as much a disburse to whoever as much as they like.
            I don’t try to defend that position because I’ve neither held nor presented it.
            If you can’t quantify how much it can be then by implication it can be infinite.
            By equal implication it can be less.
            Now, since you have described taxation as theft, the clear implication is you believe it to be a moral wrong and thus unacceptable at any level.
            Can you maybe expand a bit on how you think such a society would fund itself ?

          • Lorax: this entirely by the bye but I’ve been reacquainting myself with Yes, Minister lately and some of the funniest pieces started with the words “This is a government in crisis!” (Sir Humphrey Appleby).

            Forgot just how brilliant that series was 🙂

        • HnH, Lorax, dr smithy – your partisan prejudice is showing uncomfortably – now for some balance. You say Abbott & Co are weak; I see strength in standing up to Indonesia and telling the truth to Bang Bang, that is, you spied on us, we spied on you (who really cares ?). Unlike the President of the free world telling the German PM, we will never spy on you again – please – this from the same man who said if you like your plan & your Doctor you can keep them, a lie so big that Obamas popularity ratings are the lowest of any President, including Bush! Give me the truth any day! The next ‘incident’ is China – great strength & loyalty shown to our Allies, Japan & the USA. Great strength HnH, no vapid weakness – perhaps you like flip flloppers and un-truth tellers to lead you? I don’t. This is a genuine tea in a thimble – your grasping at shadows and punching the air, desperate to find something. Lastly did you see the latest Boat Arrivals have fallen by 92% on the same time last year – amazing, as Abbott is meeting his statement of fact – Stop the Boats! Me thinks you hate him so much because he is actually successfull, unlike your former lefty heroes!

          • It does not take courage to shout “fight” whilst standing several feet behind bully and well out of harms way. Sorry.

          • Now you’re just showing your own bias…surely you must see that it was Rudd’s PNG solution that has dropped the boat arrivals.

            Or is this a case of ‘there’s none so blind as will not see’?

  3. Key gvt ministers believed their own rhetoric for the last 6 years. They have a version of reality that will take some time, if at all, to be corrected with the facts. More mistakes are more than likely.

  4. The tit-for-tat diplomatic protests between Canberra and Beijing in recent days have confirmed that China sees Australia as a US proxy.

    That’s because Australia is a US proxy. Seriously who bothers contesting this point any more?

    Honestly with all the revelations from Wikileaks cables, Snowden documents, etc. it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that high up advisers in DFAT are really working for the Dept of State.

  5. So not only will we end up a fiscal ruin, as we deserve, we’ll be a fiscal ruin despised by much of the region, and even our allies thinking we’re a bit of loose canon.

    Australia deserves this, it truly does.

    • Its quite funny to me that we think of China as being in “our region” when its actually as close or closer to the US and UK…

      Rightly we should align with the US, but of course it doesnt make sense to go upsetting Asian countries if we can avoid it.

      • “Its quite funny to me that we think of China as being in “our region” when its actually as close or closer to the US and UK…”

        Oh yes, I always found this odd. Beijing is closer to Dublin than to Sydney or Melbourne. That is a fact.

        • dumb_non_economist

          Nah, the distance is a N/S thingy. Have you guys heard of time zones? Bei/Syd 3-4 hrs, Bei/Dub 8 hrs, Bei/NY 13 hrs.

          Oh, flt times Bei/Syd 11.5, NY 12 hrs, Dub 10.5 hrs.

          Considering the two, I think that just about makes us neighbours!

          • Well, the world is shrinking for sure.

            But then, e.g., Norway and South Africa become neighbors, too.

  6. Kitney assumes that the Abbott government’s problems were only detectable once they won government. This isn’t true.

    For four years before last September’s election, the Coalition had no policy nor any particular competence to back up their criticisms of the Rudd and Gillard governments. Press gallery members like Kitney never called the Coalition on this because they shared those criticisms, and didn’t want to probe too hard lest the apparently intolerable Labor government look better by comparison.

    Morrison, Pyne, Bishop, Hockey, Abbott haven’t cocked up. I’d even be prepared to accept that they’re doing their level best. Their best just isn’t good enough. Kitney et al had a duty to test that, and they failed it – and us.

    • Good observation Andrew. Had the media given as much attention to the then Opposition as they did with Labors machinations, perhaps we’d have Liberal Government that functions under scrutiny and pressure.

    • dumb_non_economist

      Sorry AE, the coalition was an empty vessel and this was well known, it wasn’t that they weren’t probed, they were just given an easy run. The press was just taken by the smell of gov blood in the water.

  7. Kitney sings from the same songbook as Tingle.

    A media beat-up re Indonesia (all with understanding of diplomacy felt Abbott’s stance the correct one); there are a number of nations concerned by China’s ADEZ potentially increasing risks in the region; and although not surprised the Nats won the day with Graincorp figure this was a lose lose in the media whichever way it went – had Hockey said yes ABC and Others would’ve been all over it selling a national icon blah blah. C’mon ya all know that.

      • No idea why the Australian Government needed to say anything at all about the China Japan spat. Seems like they can’t keep their feet out of their mouths.

        I agree with MineBot that the Graincorp thing was a lose-lose proposition but how dear Christopher has managed to p*ss off every education minister in the land so quickly beggars belief. The NSW minister called Pyne immoral today. Strong words from a fellow Lib.

        This is a government in crisis.

        • The Western Australian education minister is quite pleased – WA didn’t sign up to Gonski and will now reap the benefits.

          • The ‘benefits’ being additional Federal funding.

            Don’t worry too much about the WA cuts – mostly a case of the unions v the State – our kids’ll be rooned without a few extra ed assistants. Not.

          • As someone who did the tail end of my schooling, and subsequent BE at UWA, in Perth, I’m quite confident ‘your’ kids will turn out just like all the others before.

            Oblivious! Cheeringly so.

          • “mostly a case of the unions v the State – our kids’ll be rooned without a few extra ed assistants. ”

            The Public ed system is already rooned, thanks to those teachers Unions. The only part of the public ed system that works in WA is the Independent part. Parents are flocking to it where they have an opportunity. 3 guesses what does not have a big presence in the Independent system?

          • GSM not sure if you caught my drift but there but re: independent sector I went to Hale in Scarborough and I didn’t see anything there be proud of, just football obsessed with some bizarre tribalisms re Scotch and Christ Church. Urgh.

          • Gunna: I told myself I wouldn’t reenter this conversation but I have to agree with 3d1k, he/she didn’t promulgate anything at all, GSM hinted at something and The Lorax ferreted out whatever seemed to be making your Torrynuffs giddy.

            3d1k said nothing, why sling mud at him/her?

        • “No idea why the Australian Government needed to say anything at all about the China Japan spat. Seems like they can’t keep their feet out of their mouths.”

          True, but the blunder is not as bad as it might seem. After all, Japan did not fly the B52s – the US did – and we are America’s yes boy.

    • dumb_non_economist

      2d,

      How is it that you always reject ANY media criticism of your team as partisan politics, yet any support is lovingly accepted as soundly based?

    • So we stop a $250 million takeover; small potatoes in terms of takeovers, but a watershed on how the LNP is run by backroom Nationals and a clear sign to foreign investors that we are NOT open for business.

      This was pure political spin…and a different decision had the Libs been in control.

      We live in a global society and I want to see Australian business of all kinds including rural, make a profit and contribute to Australia and its shareholders.

      As someone else said, why not nationalise GNC and add the $250 million to the national debt??

  8. No surprise that the decision on GrainCorp has set off the ‘born free’ capital flows crowd.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov6aef8DTqg

    Much of our FIRE sector, their pet economists and their press release delivery services in main stream media make their living from the ticket clipping transactions involved in selling off Australia, claims on our future income and whatever productive bits of capital generated over the last 200 years have not already been sold.

    But while the Boy in the Bubble got the Graincorp decision right that is not a free pass on everything done by the Abbott government.

    Even so, the hurdle set by the previous administration was very low and Mr Bowen’s statements today offer no comfort.

    With that in mind I will just ease back into my Smokey Dawson easy riser with a large bowl of popcorn and enjoy the show.

    • “With that in mind I will just ease back into my Smokey Dawson easy riser with a large bowl of popcorn and enjoy the show.”

      +1

      The bottom line is that damage will be limited as long as the new government sticks to the basic US alliance framework.

      On the other hand, if they are stupid enough to go out of that line…….

  9. What we are witnessing is one of the fundamental flaws in the Westminster system (this is not the worst flaw but still a flaw). MPs, who are too busy mastering the art of professional ass licking to become proper statesmen, become ministers in the government.

    Let’s just say that Americans do not have this problem.

    • But the Westminster system takes care of this with an uncooperative and obfuscatory public service.

      Individuals politicians can be hung on their own petards but the civil service rumbles on.

      I think the US State Dept has taken over DFTA/Australian Public Service

      • “But the Westminster system takes care of this with an uncooperative and obfuscatory public service.

        Individuals politicians can be hung on their own petards but the civil service rumbles on.”

        Another point in favour of the US system, not against it.

        • You mean because buying, I mean influencing, the public sector is better? FDA=Monsanto/Pfizer; Dept of Agriculture = ADM: NSA = Google / Microsoft ; Office of Patents = ExxonMobil ; Copyright = Disney / Sony and CFTC = Goldman Sachs.

          You mean that system dumpling?

          • There are two questions; (1) which system is better, (2) how a system works in reality.

            I was talking about (1) above. In the Westminster system, unelected public servants will have real power. Maybe the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence, but I do not think that is democratic.

            Now, as for (2), democracy only works for as well as the electorate. So, a good system may not work well in an insufficiently matured culture, as you had pointed out.

          • Actually dumpling civil servants only have power executing policy/statutes not over the rest of us, but as you say with the passage of enough time and apathy, well… Se Ceaser viveret ad remuns deraris…

          • The US system is a total mess. They have institutionalised gerrymander for heaven’s sake! And while the WA senate farce shows some flaws in our system that is nothing compared to the fiasco of the Florida hanging chads in the US presidential election of 2000. They can barely manage a hint of humane health care system. It might seem ideologically more democratic but to be poor in the US is to be disenfranchised like you cannot believe. Thank you but I’ll keep a functioning public service with some power to execute government policy.

          • I think public servants have less power than you perceive.

            This isn’t the old days of Humphrey Appleby. New governments come in and old Secretaries go out. The heads of the PS are appointed by political parties.

            If anything I think there is more cause for concern that our democractically elected representatives have too much power as they could tell their departments what ‘independent frank and fearless’ advice to provide to justify the actions they want to take. Where’s the check and balance in that?

      • dumb_non_economist

        migtronix,

        I don’t think the view that the State Dept runs Australian policy, especially re Indonesia. The US for a number of yrs was being accused of ignoring Asia and if my memory serves me right, Indonesia in particular.

        • A little over stated perhaps but my impression – from the UK where I was at the time – is after the Bali bombings Australia became US proxy for conducting “anti-terror” (spying on everyone and stopping nothing) operations in SE Asia.

          The US was at arms length and could be accused of ignoring Asia, but in fact had a franchise in the region.

  10. Hmmm. There could be some interesting news soon, putting all this hyperventilation of the Left into perspective.

    Gov’t in crisis? Lorax, in case you missed it this country has been in crisis since Gillard knifed Rudd then set about demolishing the economy. And inside 2 months it should be fixed? Utter stupidity. Your proposition is moronic.

    Get used to it, Abbott will be at least a 2 term PM and by then you hyperventilating Lefties will hopefully have gotten used to how adults run the show, after sorting out the catastrophe left behind by Labor.

          • Oh I see. The Bill Shorten rape thing?

            Even if it proved entirely true I don’t think the Abbott government would be in any less trouble.

          • Thing? WTF? Are you biased much? Claim Australia will be in FP purgatory for at least the tenor of Abbotts LNP term in government because Abbott poorly and arrogantly brushed aside intelligence operations — but RAPE is a thing?!?!

            “even if”, why don’t you start blaming the victim while you’re at it! Sorry but I’m disgusted by that glib response

          • By “thing” I meant allegation. I have no idea whether Shorten or anyone else in the ALP is under serious investigation. I am not diminishing the crime of rape in any way shape or form.

            If it were true it would be tragedy for the woman involved, and a disgusting episode in Shorten’s life, but remember this was a political comment by GSM designed to smear. I have no doubt whatsoever that his interest in this matter is only due to the alleged involvement of a senior Labor figure, it does not stem from concern for the woman.

            As for Pickering he has plenty of form when it comes to gutter politics and mud slinging.

          • Only commenting on the glibness of the remark, I take your clarification sincerely and appreciate it because I wasn’t being polemic the remark really did make ill.

          • migtronix, I don’t know how long you’ve been here but 3d1k and GSM have a history of promoting Pickering’s bile here in the past.

            Oh BTW, regarding whether 3d1k is sounding a little desperate today, I think this proves my point.

          • Yes it gets pretty ugly. Lets hope there is no truth to the matter for everyone involved … although that would no doubt disappoint 3d1k and GSM and leave them muttering about a left-wing media cover up.

          • General Disarray

            There were some screenshots of a rape allegation posted on Kev’s Facebook that did the rounds about a month ago. And The Australian ran the story – without naming Shorten – about a week back.

          • Disappointed because the incident did not occur??? FFS You are one sick puppy Lorax.

            Read the link above – those so politically partisan they cared more about the loss of their favourite political party than the shooting of kids…

            Lorax man you’ve got problems.

          • Hey coming back to this thread late on a friday night has made my night!

            First we have 3d1k peddling sordid stories and we have smoked out GSM! (and he still has his hand on it!)

            As far as I am concerned its another superb indication of just how desperate the torynuffs are less than 3 months in!

            Let me just set my own position here – I have no idea whether any ALParatchik leader has ever played hide the sausage without permission at ALP Youth camps (and seeing as it is near Geelong I will see who I can dig up on the matter) – although I would consider well within the realm of possibility for Youth camps on both sides of politics (all those young boys and girls who want to be leaders).

            But I would observe

            1. The ALP crowd have had a quite civil leadership vote fairly recently where someone else went relatively close to becoming leader. If the Tories get rid of Shorten this early in a parliamentary term then the ALP have another quite plausible leader on tap, with relatively minor damage done (a simple, ‘we didnt know he was a sausage hider, and he departed when we found out’ would be plausible).

            2. Both sides of politics have an extensive array of personalities who at a personal behavioural level have significant shortcomings (and I happen to know that claims of the type aired in the Uncle Rupertarian arent solely the domain of the ALParatchiks). Presumably an exchange of claims about them in the press will help convince the Australian public that the people in parliament are all too often slime – and think about doing something about it.

            3. The Torynuffs are the side ostensibly presenting with one solitary female worthy of a cabinet position – and when the public starts to mull over what types of individuals play hide the sausage without permission they will find them over represented in the Torynuff cabinet. Then there will be fresh recollections of the ‘Big red box’ kind on Torynuff menus, along with associated wonderment about any discriminatory attitudes, beliefs and statements.

            4. You know that if this type of stuff gets an extensive airing, then it is highly likely to suck air from serious public policy discussion and just the rights sort of stage where offsiders, media advisers, sundry others (come on down Peter Slipper and friends, Pauline did you have anything further to add about PM TestosterTone? Who did you say has had an harassment claim made about them lately to the Parliament House admin?) start to tweet their thoughts (and Mr Textor seemingly knows a lot about Filipino porn stars, from memory) or recollect emails (VKC to Godwin Grech, do you copy, over?) in addition to hurrying, clouding and pressuring all sorts of announcements governments need to make. Thats the sort of environment where further coq ups are made (if you’ll forgive the pun).

            This could be highly entertaining! (may not be good for public/international perception of our politicians)

            Who would have thought the Torynuffs could stuff things up so badly in the first three months as to need this! Its magnificent.

          • These kind of allegations can destroy a person’s political career even when the accusation turns out to be false . While I personally would love to see Shorten go, having him ousted due to a dirty trick campaign will be terrible for Australian politics.

          • Gunna: I told myself I wouldn’t reenter this conversation but I have to agree with 3d1k, he/she didn’t promulgate anything at all, GSM hinted at something and The Lorax ferreted out whatever seemed to be making your Torrynuffs giddy.

            3d1k said nothing, why sling mud at him/her?

          • Because they have form. This isn’t the first time they’ve got into the gutter. As you can see above they dropped a few hints that there was dirt about to be flung. When I saw that I went straight to Pickering’s site (the usual source of these rumours) but there was nothing. I checked again later on and noticed that Pickering had just posted about the Shorten rape allegations.

            Its almost like they had prior knowledge. “Mmmmmm. Tomorrow?”. They had clearly known about this for a while and knew the push was on to publicize it.

            You must understand that 3d1k is a paid lobbyist for the mining sector, he is not some individual expressing his personal opinions.

          • I do understand that Lorax but it takes two to tango and it can be either exhilarating and elegant or grubby and dirty.

            I thought that when 3d & GSM started what seemed like a private wink wink conversation publicly here it looked very, and that poor form in my view was all that was needed to be criticized.

            I told I thought your response to what it seemed these two were talking was of even poorer form.

            I’m not having a go at you but as I said earlier it takes two to tango.

            As for the allegation I take your position, horrible if true but lets get hasty casting mud, but then to sling mud needlessly?

            Btw I thought your synopsis that either way it has nothing to do with how terribly LNP are handling things was right, but getting that far sickened me because you appeared to be brushing of rape and then questioning the victim to boot, and yes I took your clarification earnestly and don’t believe that’s what you meant, just how it came across.

          • I have no qualms about going toe-to-toe with 3d1k. He is a disgusting creature and needs to exposed as often as possible.

            Look at his actions yesterday. The Abbott government is clearly in trouble because of poor policy decisions and ham fisted diplomacy. His response was not to defend these issues on policy grounds but to accuse the media of hysteria, bias, and conspiracy (in the case of the ABC) and finally here’s some dirt on Bill Shorten we’ve been sitting on for a while.

            BTW, I’m not questioning a victim. I don’t know if there is a victim! I knew nothing about the story until last night, did you? The only evidence of anything in the public domain are a couple of random Facebook comments (since deleted) and news that the police are investigating. Surely Shorten is entitled to some presumption of innocence?

          • “Look at his actions yesterday. The Abbott government is clearly in trouble because of poor policy decisions and ham fisted diplomacy. His response was not to defend these issues on policy grounds but to accuse the media of hysteria, bias, and conspiracy (in the case of the ABC) and finally here’s some dirt on Bill Shorten we’ve been sitting on for a while”

            All true, and I’ll now follow my own advice and extricate myself from this again ha ha. Have a great weekend Lorax.

            I know now (after your clarification last night) you’re not questioning the victim if there was one, and no I knew nothing of all that, that’s why it came across like that — precisely because I knew nothing but you seemed to.

    • Don;t expect them to fix anything in two months. However don’t expect them to completely F*** things up either which is what they have done.

  11. What? and the absurd worlds greatest ego and the cringeworthy overly ambitious pl lawyer were so much better.

    Yes – the party machine just keeps bringing us the cream of the crop…

  12. I wouldn’t accept a bunch of printed fiat for Graincorp either.

    Get the market competitive, then perhaps sell the stake down but not now.

    We’ve seen this story before, stuff it full of debt and pump up the prices. Call it “American capitalism”.

  13. Well if you think the Govt has it hands full, a story out today advises the Leader of the Opposition has a decades old rape case to answer for. Looks like Albo may get a run at the helm yet. WW

    • The story is actually weeks old but I don’t believe the MSM has named Shorten as the senior Labor figure involved yet.

      Hard right dirt units have been working on this one for a while I suspect. Certainly 3d1k and GSM seemed to know all about it.

      • Lorax you are delusional.

        I knew nothing of the allegation nor the individual it involved – but thanks to your ferreting skills I and the rest of the MB readership now do.

        GSM hinted at scandal within the ranks of ALP – given recent revelations re the practices of Williamson, Thomson, Obeid and the NSW right and still to be resolved matters re Gillard and Wilson it is natural to assume he’s onto something. I had really hoped it was something to do with the latter.

        Following your investigative prowess you somewhat enthusiastically revealed the allegations albeit with suspiciously blithe commentary. You Lorax and no one else but you chose to highlight the issue. To name names. You.

        Give up trying to smear others – you are the one covered in the reeking stench of grubbiness.

  14. Anyone who couldn’t see Abbott was a liability before the election…. isn’t intellectually qualified to vote!

    Look at the number of comments here… Is commenting on blogs a recognised profession these days… haven’t you blokes got anything better to do?? lol