Give us Malcolm!

Sadly for our Tony, it’s a slow news day. I might as well join the MSM party on this one.

From Reachtel:

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And from Roy Morgan:

New Prime Minister Kevin Rudd (52%) now clearly leads Opposition Leader Tony Abbott (36%, down 11% since June 11/12, 2013) as ‘Better Prime Minister’ according to a special telephone Morgan Poll conducted over the last two nights (July 16/17, 2013).

  • However, for the first time former Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull is clearly preferred to Kevin Rudd as Better Prime Minister: Turnbull (52%, up 28% since January 2010) cf. Rudd (38%, down 25%).

Analysis by gender shows Rudd has picked up support from both Men and Women since taking over from Gillard and is preferred by both genders. Men prefer Rudd (50%, up 19% from PM Gillard on June 11/12, 2013) cf. Abbott (37%, down 14%) and Women prefer Rudd (53%, up 15% from PM Gillard) cf. Abbott (36%, down 6%).

I still don’t think they’ll do it. Not unless Rudd gallops ahead, which seems unlikely.

Ironic for poor Tony as he pursues Labor leadership instability.

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Comments

  1. General Disarray

    I’m sure some of that result is rusted on ALP supporters doing a bit of mischief making.

    • How do you explain Tony Abbott getting only 35% preferred PM, in the same surveys that show around 50% of people are currently going to vote Liberal?

      Face it, almost one-third of Liberal voters don’t like Tony Abbott.

      Why is it so hard to accept that they might like Turnbull?

      • “What are you on about? I think plenty of Liberal voters like Turnbull.”

        I think he/she’s referring to a particular Labor hater’s habit of claiming that only Labor supporters (pretend to) like Turnbull.

  2. Don’t give us Malcolm.

    Malcolm is a bigger socialist than all of them. A luxury of the rich (until they work out socialism costs them EVERYTHING).

    Being a giving socialist is why he’s popular.

    • i dont agree. I think Malcolm is popular with the electorate because he is socially liberal and fiscally conservative, which is the growing demographic within australian politics, with the more stereotypical labour, liberal and greens extremes reducing in size/number.

      • disco stuMEMBER

        +1 Monty
        …it’s also why the welded on Liberals from the lunar right can’t stand him.

      • Exactly, CM Burns.

        The other thing Malcolm does is talk to as as if we are NOT idiots. He is frank, thoughtful, and actually gives in-depth answers.

        People respect that (and even those who don’t understand complex answers, respect that their would-be boss does).

      • hat tip disco stu

        you’re the first person that has got the reference (or at least referred to it). If i could only figure out how to add an avatar pic.

      • ……..”socially liberal”……

        Does that mean socialist? I grasp a term and they change it?

        Isn’t that what’s destroyed the entire western world? Talk about lunar……..

        We CANNOT continue with socialism. It will bring us all down.

      • Get a dictionary Rich.

        By the way we are having social drinks at work tonight.

        I presume you will not be attending in case they are SOCIALIST DRINKS OH NO!!

      • @Arrow2

        Yes, I’ll be there. I’m ENTITLED to be there. Just because it’s what you worked for and deserve, I don’t care, I’m entitled. Get it. Ridiculous isn’t it? Socialism is a disease that as I said will bring us all down. It’s very trendy, but sorry, it’s ridiculous and ill thought out. There are lessons all over the world we refuse to learn.

        You think I’m kidding? It’s why we’ve sold so many assets, it’s why we’re populating a broke country. All to fund socialism. It’s not just your taxes. It’s the whole system will fail.

        Can’t afford a dictionary on the dole. Could you tell me the difference between “socially liberal” and “socialism” please?

      • so you aggressively argue a position through sarcasm, hyperbole and condescension and then admit that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about ? good work.

        for future reference, the ‘liberal’ in socially liberal means the opposite of conservative. It can also be referred to as cultural liberalism, which from wikipedia is:

        “Cultural liberals are strongly opposed to censorship or any kind of oversight of spoken or written material in peacetime. They believe that the structure of one’s family and the nature of marriage should be left up to individual decision, and they argue that, as long as one does no harm, no lifestyle is inherently better than any other”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_liberalism

      • @Rich. Socially liberal means you’re cool with gay marriage, people smoking pot at uni, all that kind of stuff.

        Socialism is basically scabbing off the government, the irony being that makes the Liberal party socialist as f$ck seeing as they will continue to support the banks, and implement policy with the banks foremost in mind. The tragedy being that your average rusted on Liberal voter has no clue about this, and will continue to insult people with claims of being “free market”, where as your average lefty is quite often well aware of how much support we give to the banks and the property mafia.

        Not that I really support either side. I am a a Stable Population Party kind of guy.

      • @C.M.Burns.

        ……….”as long as one does no harm”……..

        That’s the bit socialists ignore and it infuriates me, therefore yes, I’ve argued aggressively with sarcasm, hyperbole and condescension.

        I couldn’t care less who wants to marry who, how anyone wants to live their life. Good luck to you, me, whoever. That is certainly NOT what I’m talking about re socialism or “social liberal”.

        It’s the idiotic socialism that I’ve already mentioned that WILL, not might, bring us all down. So, how is that “doing no harm”?

      • rich42

        “Can’t afford a dictionary on the dole. Could you tell me the difference between “socially liberal” and “socialism” please?”

        Either fabulously ironic or very clever ….

      • @Bluebird …..”Socially liberal means you’re cool with gay marriage, people smoking pot at uni, all that kind of stuff.”……

        Okay. I’m socially liberal…….I am not a socialist.

        I like my new tag.

        ……”Not that I really support either side. I am a a Stable Population Party kind of guy.”……

        Me too.

        I’ve just learned the most effective way to send a message top the two major party’s is vote for your cause (in mine and your case SPP), then everyone, then Labor/LNP last and second last. BELOW the line.

        @C.S.Burns. Sorry buddy, turns out I didn’t know what I was talking about. I truly assumed socially liberal was a new trendy name for socialism. A silly mistake that I became a smart ass instead of googling it…… I’m certainly all for my gay brothers and people doing whatever they want to do AS LONG as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.

        Socialist however…….

        @zentao……it was the latter.

      • gotta say Rich, apologies are pretty rare on this blog. Cudos for yours

        and if you want an even better fitting label – one that seems to fit your social and economic views -you can safely call yourself a libertarian in the true sense of the word

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        Isn’t that what’s destroyed the entire western world?
        Yep, sure has. Police, roads, clean running water, safe food, electricity, telecommunications, public schools and public hospitals – all harbingers of the apocalypse.

    • Malcolm Turnbull is a socialist…

      rich42 has to be taking the piss! I’m with General Disarray: no one could be that stupid!!

  3. no one has highlighted the irony that if Malcolm was elected, it would be another ex Goldman Sachs banker heading up a Western country..

    vampire squid anyone?

    • Crocodile Chuck

      Key worked at Merrill Lynch.

      Unless you are referring to Monti – and he wasn’t elected (rather, imposed on ITA by the EU)

    • I appreciate you trying to speak for me GSM but as a lefty (certainly by your neocon definition of the word) I am currently planning on voting for rudd, but would definitely vote for malcolm over rudd

      to be clear, my personal preference for this coming election is:

      Malcolm -> Rudd -> anyone else -> Mad Monk

      and before you wind up with the vitriol i have previously voted for howard/liberal (several times) and labour.

      • ” I am currently planning on voting for rudd”

        Always the caveat. Would have backed Gillard too I suppose. Thanks for proving my point C.M. Nothing new in anything you mentioned.

        FYI, I have previously voted Left- Whitlam and Hawke. Then I realised that of the 2 parties , I prefer a Govt that was the least in my pocket , least in my life and least adept at wasting my money. That is hardly a neocon but nice spin anyway.

        PS: Rusty, I did note *my* pocket. And , there are many measures of taxation, even obtuse ones. Please, don’t make your ALP out to be a bastion of fiscal rectitude.

      • The highest taxing governments in Australian history have been Fraser circa 1980, and Howard circa 2005.

      • “” I prefer a Govt that was the least in my pocket , least in my life and least adept at wasting my money.””

        that is practically the definition of a neocon.

        and yes, the caveat “currently” was because I like to keep my options open and consider new ideas. I am the opposite of a rusted on voter.

        and no, i was genuinely in a dilemma whilst Gillard was PM. The massive jump in labour numbers would indicate that a large portion of the voting public were similarly vexed.

    • Gotta agree with Burns.

      I’m a lefty-centrist and was going to vote LNP at the last election, but then they made Abbott leader and me voting LNP flew out the window. Would seriously consider voting LNP again if Turnbull were to become leader.

      Face it, Abbott is what’s holding the LNP back from basically certain victory at this incoming election.

      • “.. was going to vote LNP at the last election”

        “seriously consider ”

        Whetever. I get the picture thanks. It’s hard to leave the pardy at election time. That’s cool.

      • “Whetever. I get the picture thanks. It’s hard to leave the pardy at election time. That’s cool.”

        Wow, talk about a case of self-delusion. Is that what you do – cherry-pick certain lines in a whole post then draw a conclusion from that and convince yourself you’ve got someone figured all out?

        Do you have arguements with yourself in the mirror GSM?

      • Macster,

        “Face it, Abbott is what’s holding the LNP back from basically certain victory at this incoming election.”

        How many elections have you voted in?

      • “How many elections have you voted in?”

        Here’s a tip for you:
        Next time you try baiting someone, try not to use a hook that’s blatantly bigger than the bait itself.

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        Do you have arguements with yourself in the mirror GSM?
        He’s like a case study in psychological projection.

    • GunnamattaMEMBER

      GSM, I just want you to know I love you Pal.

      and I can assure you in 100% certainty that I wont be voting TestosterTone or Krudd in the coming election.

      But looking through the various comments and postings here I am 100% certain that your comments in favour of TestosterTone and your uncanny ability to nicely encapsulate in written form the sorts of behaviours that we all anticipate of TestosterTone – from your pig headed inability to display any finesse in understanding anyone elses point, through your crocodile skinned mantra parroting, and on to your condescension on just about everything – and I find myself wondering if people like you are what TestosterTone’s minders have in mind in terms of getting their fella across the line.

      I couldnt give that much of a toss who wins the election. But you can be sure that if TestosterTone manages to cough it up from here I will be having a helluva chuckle.

      And if Malcolm X somehow managed (and I dont think he will in a zillion years) to overthrow TestosterTone and lead the Torynuffs to an election win – well that would be simply hilarious.

      Keep up the good work.

      • The squawking of the Liberal hard right is absolutely hilarious. They were so focused on Gillard that they forgot that, even right before he was dumped, Rudd was still ahead of Abbott in the polls.

        Staying far right is not what will win the next election for the Liberal Party. Perhaps they should study recent US elections to see how that’s turned out for the Republicans.

      • Ok deleted again. Here’s another attempt.

        Gunna,

        If you don’t give a toss then I get it. You are perfect in your opinions and all others must concur. Sorry. Sorry, that “people like me” who do give a toss don’t agree with your sophisticated views of politics. But, please understand, that it’s because I do understand your point that you keep returning to challenging mine. I hope you do get that much 😉

      • “Staying far right is not what will win the next election for the Liberal Party. Perhaps they should study recent US elections to see how that’s turned out for the Republicans.”

        +many

        And it’s even more stupid here where we have compulsory voting. At least in the US you can make an argument for going full-wing-nut in an attempt to get the nutters to actually come out and vote.

    • I am voting Liberal. As any thinking person who loves this country and enjoys politics but has been horrified by the ugliness of the Rudd/Gillard regime will so do.

      There is no escaping that Labor is still Labor – the party that reignited class warfare, sexual politics, efforts at media control, did dirty deals with the Greens, made Roxon AG, wooed Tweedledum and Tweedledummer, made Albo anything at all (although I suspect his Communications portfolio is a private Rudd joke), that introduced two deeply flawed taxes, that has let the unions run the nation. All current Labor politicians are complicit in the debacle.

      The Libs deserve a go – I am not sure they will get it. We are a fickle bunch, easily bought by handouts and trinkets.

      • Yeah, it was the wrong sort of class warfare, when it should have been about specufestors vs workers.

        The NBN is pretty tasty though. I’m no education expert but I suppose Gonski is good too.

        A lot of the Liberal mob have a problem with wages, but not property prices. Hardly endearing.

      • “The Libs deserve a go – I am not sure they will get it. We are a fickle bunch, easily bought by handouts and trinkets.”

        What are your thoughts on Abbott wanting to bring back the car lease rort?

      • dumb_non_economist

        Quote: We are a fickle bunch, easily bought by handouts and trinkets.

        Yes 2d, the above is correct, which is how Howard got himself elected.

        I did enjoy reading your comments even though I didn’t agree with a lot of what you wrote, though it did get worse over the last 6 mths before you went off to write your own blog. Maybe Mav and DC had you right that time. The change for me was your political crap at your blog and here since you came back. To me it’s a real waste seeing someone as sharp as yourself commenting at the level of GSM.

      • dne – thanks…I think?

        You’ve got to admit though my main gripe was Gillard and her inept bunch and the spin doctoring that was driving ALP politics. I said she should go. Her leadership was destroying the Party and such would the electoral devastation have been that the ALP would be years in the wilderness. I was right about her regime and eventually the view gained ground.

        Secondly I thought Oakeshott and Windsor were an egocentric disgrace. History will not treat them kindly.

        Thirdly, the Greens. Loathe them. Economy destroyers and hypocrites.

        Fourthly, I agree with much of what GSM says and think he gets it pretty tough here at MB – the difference is I am a swinging voter, he sounds very Lib. – but we both recognise bad government when we see it!

        Cheers

      • dumb_non_economist

        2d,

        I obviously wasn’t very clear!

        Re Gillard, I didn’t and still don’t accept the crap about her re Rudd or her as a PM. I cannot stand Rudd and my disgust towards him has been proved by the vomit boat people policy he announced tonight. Though to be honest I found it hard to stomach Gillard with her approach to the issue as well as pokies. I’d have to say she was a disappointment. Re Rudd, I absolutely hate Christians who wear their beliefs on their sleeves who are two faced lying @unts like he is.

        After that vomitest (how do you spell that?) announcement I’m actually considering Abbott. And yes, I know he is in the same boat as Rudd in my comment above!

        2d, to be clear I was thinking Mav and DC may have had you pegged.

      • GunnamattaMEMBER

        Dne – a beautiful summing up of the voting choices facing some Australians

        I think you have it nailed at ……….

        Vomitfest – and that’s how I would spell it.

  4. As was identified the other day, courage and reform come with large majorities.

    At 58:42, is Malcolm the only chance of real economic reform?

  5. I personally am a bit bewildered by the popular Turnbull fetish.

    Whlst clearly an intelligent bloke, and accomplished in the private sector, he really doesn’t have a definitive stance on anything other than abating carbon.

    Otherwise he has peddled LNP lines, or verballed nothing more than motherhood statements, albeit virtualyl all tend to be within a moderate framing.

    Now he has been in parliament for a long time now, and other than faith in his intellilect manifesting itself in outstanding policy, I really don’t have a clear construct of what his vision would be.

    He never really put forward one when he was opposition leader.

    • I think MT exposed a lot of himself and his intellect during Utegate. Impulsive, poor judgement and lacking conviction. When confronted is quite squeamish. In a word, weak.

      • and Tony Abbott is an improvement on this how ? Unless you count “barely veiled hostility towards everyone not like him” as an positive character attribute

      • ” Unless you count “barely veiled hostility towards everyone not like him” as an positive character attribute”

        Where do you get this rubbish? At the Green/Left Weekly or the CFMEU newsletter? If you want to make outlandish bulls*t statements like that about someone, have the brains to do some real research first.

        Do you prefer to have your country run by either of two shallow media tarts of zero conviction with between them over $300 million in wealth? Get a grip mate.

      • “Do you prefer to have your country run by either of two shallow media tarts of zero conviction with between them over $300 million in wealth? Get a grip mate.”

        Class warfare, class warfare!

        Surely with that much money they should be better at managing our economy than the union reps and lawyers that make up the rest of their parties, right?

    • ‘ he really doesn’t have a definitive stance on anything other than abating carbon.’

      Surprise surprise, given the squid and the rest of the banking cartel see emissions trading as the next bubble frontier.

    • It’s because everyone is going to get rich and be a cool guy and wear leather jackets.

  6. Meanwhile, over at The Australian there’s nothing, not a story to be seen. Bet that came as a surprise to you!

  7. Rudd and Turnbull are popular because they are seen as outsiders. Not beholden to the political class and not kowtowing to their party powerbrokers, unlike Gillard and Abbott and almost all the rest.

    They give the impression of speaking frankly to the electorate and respecting them.

    The political class cannot grasp this, and those that do, understandably hate it.

    But the political class – particularly party fanatics of either side – is notoriously awful at understanding ordinary, non-politically-engaged Australians.

  8. My prefered PM from most to least:

    1. Turnbull
    2. Gillard
    3. Rudd
    4. A garden hose
    5. Abbott

    I too have voted both Lib and Labor in past.

  9. tsport100MEMBER

    I’ve been saying this for over a year… it’s a strategic blunder to run with Abbott… and Liberal are admitting as much by having Turnbull tour the media saying “when you vote for Tony you’re voting for me too”

    There’s NO-WAY Abbott can win government!

  10. Has no one cottoned onto MT being tbe most travelled member of the opposition by a frequent flyer mile? The Lib strategists have.