Wong bleats as China throws island noose over Australia

POTUS has his head up his ass:

President Joe Biden has said the US would intervene militarily if China were to invade Taiwan, in one of the most forceful and overt statements in support of Taiwan in decades.

Mr Biden made the comment on Monday during his first visit to Japan since taking office, and as Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida looked on.

He said the burden to protect the self-ruled island was “even stronger” after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

When asked by a reporter in Tokyo if the United States would defend Taiwan if it were attacked by China, the President answered: “Yes.”

“That’s the commitment we made,” he said.

“We agree with a one-China policy. We’ve signed on to it and all the intended agreements made from there.

“But the idea that, that it can be taken by force, just taken by force, is just not, is just not appropriate.”

He added that it was his expectation that such an event would not happen or be attempted.

He said it would “dislocate the entire region and be another action similar to what happened in Ukraine”.

Mr Biden’s comment appeared to be a departure from existing US policy of so-called strategic ambiguity on Taiwan.

One of the few areas Joe Biden and Xi Jinping agree on is that letting relations deteriorate further would be a mistake of historic proportions, writes Kathryn Diss.

However, a White House official was quick to say after Mr Biden made the remarks that there had been no change in US policy toward Taiwan.

“As the President said, our policy has not changed,” said the White House official, who declined to be named.

“He reiterated our One China Policy and our commitment to peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait.

“He also reiterated our commitment under the Taiwan Relations Act to provide Taiwan with the military means to defend itself.”

Throwing a bit of doddering memory loss into the mix is probably no bad thing to keep Bejing on its toes.

But we should not be readying any defence of Taiwan other than helping it build its own defences. If we add to that the same sanctions regime deployed for Russia, any invasion would annihilate the Chinese economy and make the cost of invasion so enormous that the only reason to do it would be if the CCP saw its end coming anyway.

In that case, either way, the invasion would spell the end, not the beginning, of Chinese hegemonic ambitions for the region and globe.

Where this calculus is less clear is in our own backyard. Beijing is pushing further into its ring-fencing of ANZUS:

China is intensifying its drive for influence in the Pacific by negotiating security deals with two additional island nations following a pact with the Solomon Islands, according to officials in the US and allied countries.

Beijing’s talks with Kiribati, a Pacific island nation 3,000km from Hawaii where US Indo-Pacific Command is based, are the most advanced, the officials said.

“They are in talks with Kiribati and at least one more Pacific island country over an agreement that would cover much of the same ground as that with Solomon Islands,” said an intelligence official from a US ally.

Interestingly, the story broke on Saturday at the FT but did not reach the MSM here until today. Make of that what you will.

Foreign Minister Penny Wong sounds about as effective as wet lettuce:

Australia’s new foreign affairs minister, Penny Wong, will seek to improve relations with Pacific island countries, flagging an early visit to the region and promising to be “a generous, respectful and reliable” partner.

…Shortly after being sworn in as foreign affairs minister in Canberra on Monday, Wong recorded a video message addressed to Pacific island leaders.

In it, she said the new Australian government “knows that nothing is more central to the security and wellbeing of the Pacific than climate change”.

,,,“We have heard the Pacific and we will act – standing shoulder to shoulder with the Pacific as we address the climate crisis,” Wong said in the video.

Wong said she has become foreign minister “at a time when our region faces unprecedented challenges – but we will face these challenges together”.

“I look forward to visiting the Pacific soon, but the first thing I wanted to do after being sworn in is to share a few thoughts with our Pacific family,” she said.

“We want to help build a stronger Pacific family. That is why we will do more. But we will also do it better.”

So then, what is Albo’s red line in the Pacific? Kiribati is about halfway between Australia and Hawaii. Any Chinese military base there would be another blocking move for ANZUS:

We appear to be headed towards a theatre of strategic competition in which deals and military installations seek to build and counter influence. That is, instead of actually doing something.

We should have reacted more forcefully against the Solomons – killed a chicken to scare the monkeys as it were – and these deals would not be happening.

But former PM Morrison sat on the knowledge for either months instead.

And while it surrounds Australia with plans for force projection, the well-practiced two faces of Bejing reach out the hand of “friendship”:

China’s Premier Li Keqiang has congratulated Prime Minister Anthony Albanese on his election victory and says Beijing is willing to work with the new Labor government.

Mr Li sent Mr Albanese a congratulatory message on Monday, ending a two-year freeze on high-level communications between the two countries.

“The Chinese side is ready to work with the Australian side to review the past, look into the future and uphold the principle of mutual respect and mutual benefit, so as to promote the sound and steady growth of their comprehensive strategic partnership,” Mr Li said, according to state news agency Xinhua.

Mr Li said it was in the interests of both countries to have “sound and stable relations”.

I’d suggest a reply along the lines of “fuck off out of the Pacific then we’ll talk.”

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  1. C.M.BurnsMEMBER

    FWIW, there’s two pretty big china hawks on the plane with Albo and Wong to the QUAD (from the ABC):

    “”Defence Secretary Greg Moriarty is accompanying Albanese. So is the director-general of the Office of Intelligence, Andrew Shearer, a notorious China hawk with supreme connections to Washington networks.

    Together, they helped deliver the AUKUS agreement for the Morrison government — an agreement that not only sank relations with France (along with a $90 billion submarine contract), but also is seen as a long-term strategic bulwark against China..””

    If you take the case that the intelligence establishment have their finger on the pulse, then this is a good sign

  2. turvilleMEMBER

    No doubt that the Morrison government’s failures and mistakes give Albo and his front bench a huge opportunity to put many matters right BUT NOT to offer up a weak or begging hand asking for forgiveness. Obviously the Chinese Govt will only be interested in a huge wave of forgiveness – let’s hope that isn’t offered. There’ll be zero tourists coming here anyway – overseas travel pretty much banned for ages

  3. “Wong bleats”!?

    Haha. Here we go.

    How about “Albanese and Wong hit the ground running”?
    I mean what do you want? A little over 3 HOURS AFTER BEING SWORN IN and they’re off on a plane to attend the quad meeting and to represent Australia’s interest. That shows motivation, confidence and even courage.

    Morrison would have ordered the jet to take a right hand turn straight for Honolulu.

    “Wong bleats”…oh whatever.

    • p.s.
      Albanese just kicked it out of the park in his opening address to the quad. Fantastic.

      Oh and Biden remembered his name.

    • Friendo, you seem to have a very short memory. Don’t you recall the 2010-2013 period?
      The Oz public has ZERO tolerance for Labor deficiencies and imperfections.
      The subsequent decade, however, has demonstrated nearly an infinite patience with LNP rorts, corruption, rapes, nepotism… you name it.

      • an infinite patience with LNP rorts, corruption, rapes, nepotism

        Living the dream…

        Kids will grow up saying “I want to be a member of that party.”

      • Mr Tezza, don’t worry buddy, I know exactly what’s in store…hence my “here we go”.

    • Agreed. I mean they are straight on the plane to talk with the quad. Payne couldn’t even find her way to SI for years.

  4. Ronin8317MEMBER

    The most important matter for Kiribati is Climate Change, as the islands are going underwater, literally. The reason why they’re partnering with the Chinese is simple : the Australian government has completely ignored them. So Penny Wong is saying the right thing at least.

    https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/china-expands-its-island-building-strategy-into-the-pacific/

    When it comes to foreign affairs, watch what they do, not what they say. The Pacific Islanders in general HATES, and I emphasize, HATES, the Chinese. Given a choice they will switch allegiance. Look at what happened in Samoa : changing a government from pro-China to anti-China is not hard at all.

    • The most important matter for Kiribati is Climate Change, as the islands are going underwater, literally.

      A new tax to fix anthropogenic tectonic plate shift!

    • “The most important matter for Kiribati is Climate Change, as the islands are going underwater, literally. The reason why they’re partnering with the Chinese is simple : the Australian government has completely ignored them. So Penny Wong is saying the right thing at least..”
      Agreed Ronin. Well said.

          • It’s not like there are any reputable sources for information that they can rely on. The acceptance of anthropogenic climate change by basically every single scientific institution on the planet leaves slim pickings for the denier – if you disqualify sources of known garbage you disqualify their references by and large.

          • “These 288 professors didn’t get the memo Mate.”
            How many of them have a background in climate science? Seriously, this sort of list proves SFA.

            Edit: @Narapoia451 “The acceptance of anthropogenic climate change by basically every single scientific institution on the planet leaves slim pickings for the denier…” Yet they persist in posting material that has repeatedly been shown to be misleading. So it needs to be called out.

          • These 288 professors didn’t get the memo Mate.
            https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/WCD-version-042722.pdf
            Nor did the Chinese Africans or Indians. I wonder how many coal fire power stations they are building?? DYOR

            It’s hilariously delusional that you think anything you have done resembles ‘Research’ let along your own research. It doesn’t even look like you read the list of ‘Professors’ – which as has already been pointed out to you is not as convincing as you might think. Not only are they not all professors, but the vast majority are not even tangentially involved in study or research into the climate. E.g:
            Hans Hamaker, University Degree in Phonetic Sciences
            John Warnock, Astro Economist

            And even if they were ALL climate scientists – it still is a piddling number compared those that evaluated the science, conducted their own research, amassed evidence and through this convince every national and just about every independent scientific institution on the planet as to what is happening.
            https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/
            https://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html
            https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

          • @Narapoia451 – I did have a good laugh when I looked up Astro Economics. So there is some value in the list. It’s also interesting how many geologists seem to feature prominently in such lists. I guess that’s cognitive dissonance for you.

          • “Nothing is more corrupt to the public than using scientific data to mislead and this is clearly what happened – no matter what the arguments about disclosure – the public see one thing as presented – few dig any further.” Posted on smithys SS post from “Rosco” that you refer to Alex. It is hard not to agree.

            As to a “narrative” that is not what this is about, it is the deliberate misleading by deleting the Briffa data between 1962 and 1998 by hiding the decline by other lines in the spaghetti graph. If you had seen how it was done in the backgrounder I posted which you haven’t, you may just understand. If not there is nothing I can do for you. The apologists on SS are just activists.
            We know it is deliberate because of the email I posted from the climategate emails that were leaked.

          • ”As to a “narrative” that is not what this is about, it is the deliberate misleading by deleting the Briffa data between 1962 and 1998 by hiding the decline by other lines in the spaghetti graph. “
            You’re making some big assumptions dude and the assumptions are in the thread below. No one is misleading – you are choosing to not see or hear.

            ”If you had seen how it was done in the backgrounder I posted which you haven’t, you may just understand. “
            No I did mate and its pretty obvious you’re not looking at it with both eyes.

            ”We know it is deliberate because of the email I posted from the climategate emails that were leaked.”
            Nah mate. I’ve looked at your smoking gun emails and they prove two tenths of jack sh!t. I say that with my objective hat on. If you were to ask me for my unvarnished opinion, I would say I doubt the filters here would allow it.

          • “…the world’s most viewed climate website”
            – Fred Pearce The Climate Files:
            The Battle for the Truth about Global Warming

            “…invaluable” – Steven F. Hayward, The Weekly Standard

            “…changed the world and is one of the most influential resources on global warming. – Jonathon Moseley, American Thinker

            “…flashy (apparently widely distributed)”– Michael E. Mann

            Look at the awards page.

          • Here’s the original email. With Mikes Nature trick and hiding the decline.
            http://www.assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/0942777075.txt

            Did he want the IPCC to publish Keith Briffa’s full data to 1998 set to show falling temperatures or did he want to Hide the decline by deleting the unfavourable contradictory data showing the decline, because that ‘s what they did.
            Here is a a backgrounder that will put you in the picture. If you watch the vid you can see the charts
            https://climatediscussionnexus.com/videos/climategate-hide-the-decline-backgrounder/

            You can make up your own mind.

          • Propaganda site.

            The original documents are in front of you- all you have to do is look at them. Don’t accept what you are spoon fed by the Guardian or skeptical science and their journalists. Go to the original documents and look. I did and I changed my mind.

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            Don’t accept what you are spoon fed by the Guardian or skeptical science and their journalists.

            LOL.

            As opposed to being spoonfed by “Climate Discussion Nexus” ?

          • That’s rich coming from a guy that just responds with “Propaganda site.” How about you practice what you preach and find the error in the material we posted. A the very least that should be the starting point given they debunk your sources.

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            Find the error in the material. Do some work.

            LOL. You first. You’re the one arguing against at least half a dozen independent inquiries, every major scientific body on the planet, and riding on the assumption of a multi-generational, international conspiracy theory.

          • The story of the inquiries is here by the person who discovered the hidden decline and how he came to find it, how bogus the subsequent inquiries were:-
            https://youtu.be/SqzcA7SsqSA the bogus inquiries begin at 16.45

            You see Alex, I go to the source.
            Michael Mann couldn’t produce the regression stats for the hockey stick (even though he had 10 years), couldn’t comply with discovery and lost his action against Dr. Tim Ball which cost Michael Mann over 2 million dollars in costs. The judgment is here
            https://principia-scientific.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/mann-judgement-canada.pdf

            An explanation for the case is here by a person who stood to lose his house if Mann won.
            https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-news-dr-tim-ball-defeats-michael-manns-climate-lawsuit/

            There you go Alex. Read and see the real evidence by the actual players

          • Now do some work. Smithy you may wish to read Fred’s comments in what you’ve posted.

          • ” You see Alex, I go to the source.”
            Dude, you may indeed go to a source but, you then take a point from a source and drop it into a backdrop of misleading narrative to make a baseless point. If you bother to look at the links we posted (which I know you have little interest in), you’ll note the “smoking gun” emails you refer to are all casual references to an issue that has been widely discussed by scientists.

            In short, due to the increasing frequency of extreme climate change phenomena that are outside of the usual climate variability norm, tree rings are not the measure of warming they once were. For example, a warmer world with more CO2 should produce bigger tree rings (ie: growth) but, because there is a significant and rapid increasing frequency of things like drought (to list just one other possible variable of note), this proxy measure is no longer as accurate. To simplify it even further for you, while you may have more heat and CO2 to improve growth, with more droughts etc come more years with slow growth and smaller rings (which previously came with cooler years).

          • “Michael Mann couldn’t produce the regression stats for the hockey stick “
            By the way, it may help if you look up the hockey stick in the skepticalscience link I posted. If you’re actually interested that is.
            Edit: @smithy – cheers for the link

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            Smithy you may wish to read Fred’s comments in what you’ve posted.

            The most quoted “climategate” soundbite comes from an email from Prof Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, to Prof Mike Mann of the University of Virginia in 1999, in which he discussed using “Mike’s Nature trick” to “hide the decline”. The phrase has been widely spun as an effort to prevent the truth getting out that global temperatures had stopped rising.

            […]

            This is nonsense. Given the year the email was written, 1999, it cannot be anything else. At that time there was no suggestion of a decline in global temperatures.

            […]

        • Ronin8317MEMBER

          The islands are going under water, and they believes it’s Climate Change. An Australian government that refutes their believe means Australia will be surrounded by Chinese military bases on every single South Pacific Island. That’s part of diplomacy.

          • The islands are going under water, and they believes it’s Climate Change.

            Or it’s a hustle they know will see rich, White countries send them barrow loads of unearned money.

            Luckily, the Chinese contribution to carbon emissions will alleviate their concern.

        • Fitz, forget your bs pseudo science sites, the real scientists like: Nasa’s Goddard Institute, NOAA, US National Academy of Sciences, Royal Society, BoM, US equivalent of BoM, CSIRO and every world recognised authority, not a bunch of [email protected] running a website.

      • Hehe, Chinese.

        I got a mate of Chinese heritage, but his family has been here since the 1860’s, Victorian gold rush era.

        He worked his way up quite high in federal bureaucracy, his security clearance opened quite a few doors.

        He had dozens of approaches by CCP lackeys, they suspected he would turn, he told them to f*ck off many times.

        However the continued encroachment meant he was likely to be surveilled and thus posed too much of a risk. He had his security clearance reduced. He understood the action by the Australian government, it’s in line with protocol.

        At this stage of his career, he can’t recover what will be the time lost to complete what was his prior ambitions, effectively drawing a line in his career.

        Very few hate the CCP as much as him.

        • Rusty,

          I think you tell very tall tales, either that or your mate is an !diot! So high up the CCP tries to recruit and he spills the beans to you! Maybe he’s not that high after all and not that smart, or too trusting of you to keep your mouth shut!

  5. TailorTrashMEMBER

    A new Great Wall right down the middle of the pacific ……..fun times ahead

  6. “look into the future and uphold the principle of mutual respect and mutual benefit”

    And yet government policy has millions of school children reciting racist anti western propaganda poioning their minds against us, how they show mutual respect?
    (can’t find the videos 😕)

  7. ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

    We can’t out spend the Chinese in the pacific.
    But increasing cultural ties could go a long way. Give Pacific Islanders easier access to Work visas and permanent residency/citizenship would go a long way to keeping them in an Australian lead “pacific family” instead of a Chinese lead one.
    I also think our relationship with Indonesia will become increasingly crucial at holding Chinese expansion at bay in the future.
    After the US Indonesia should be our most important strategic partner. Much more effort should be going into nurturing and expanding our relationship with them as well.

    • More stick, less carrot.

      We can’t out spend the Chinese in the pacific.
      But increasing cultural ties could go a long way. Give Pacific Islanders easier access to Work visas and permanent

      Or we can forever ban entry in Australia… and then use diplomatic means to ban SI entry in NZ, PNG, everyone… leaving the SI’s having one solitary outlet on the planet earth… China itself.

      It won’t take long to have long term impacts on the Solomon Islanders…. similar to what happened to the Guangxi and Guangdong civilizations (already extinct) and the Tibetans and Uighar (China moving to make them extinct)

      The Solomon Islanders can join the extinction list….. it couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people.

      Perhaps they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them.

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        Well seeing The Solomon Islanders punished in this way,… Genocide four their recalcitrance!?,…might make you feel good Rusty,…but It won’t improve our security outlook if the Chinese end up occupying the place anyway.

          • I thought Rusty was a teenage girl.

            AND

            Her content suggests it anyway.

            You make it sound like the content is inferior.

        • Genocide four their recalcitrance!?,…might make you feel good Rusty

          Well I’d blame the Chinese for that. What say you?

          but It won’t improve our security outlook if the Chinese end up occupying the place anyway.

          Us: Boats sail south of the Cook Islands
          Them: An isolated garrison that does not have enough food or water capacity to sustain itself.

          Let China has half a dozen bases like this… it will take the largest merchant fleet in the world to re-supply it.

          Australia won’t object.
          The USA won’t object.

          The Solomon Islands may object… but then again it is set in the future… so there may not be Solomon Islanders to object by then.

          • “Let China has half a dozen bases like this… it will take the largest merchant fleet in the world to re-supply it.”

            Yes, as some in the media pointed out, a naval base on Manus will make any Chinese base in the pacific next to useless.

    • ermo, you should read Max Havelaar and some Dutch history to boot. Did you know that BHP Billiton is founded on the corporate war with the natives of the Beletung islands? Did you know that DEIC and later BHP fomented the ground for radical religious movements? it pretty much ALL our fault.

    • I was thinking scholarships for some of their students to unis here as well – build the relationship.

  8. ” If we add to that the same sanctions regime deployed for Russia, any invasion would annihilate the Chinese economy and make the cost of invasion so enormous that the only reason to do it would be if the CCP saw its end coming anyway.”
    The problem with this happening is that China is far more important to global supply chains than Russia. There needs to be an enormous push to get western {particularly US} corporate interests to realign and that is not happening at the moment.

    ”But we should not be readying any defence of Taiwan other than helping it build its own defences.”
    I am wondering if there has been a change because more weight is being given to military advice now armed conflict looks more likely and China’s military has substantially grown its capabilities. It’s a worry.

    ”If we add to that the same sanctions regime deployed for Russia, any invasion would annihilate the Chinese economy and make the cost of invasion so enormous that the only reason to do it would be if the CCP saw its end coming anyway.”
    Keep in mind it would probably cost everyone immensely. You are also assuming key decision makers see the world the way you do. The fact they have been conditioning their people for a confrontation for over 20 years should alarm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_Education_Campaign). Nationalism has always been a fertile nursery for authoritarian driven irrational escalation.

    ”Foreign Minister Penny Wong sounds about as effective as wet lettuce:”
    You haven’t really backed this up. She has been calling the Libs out on their neglect of the region for some time and she has made a clear connection with climate change and their circumstances. That’s a vast improvement on the indifferent arrogance of the previous government. You might want to accept gunboats can’t solve this alone.

    ”So then, what is Albo’s red line in the Pacific? Kiribati is about halfway between Australia and Hawaii. Any Chinese military base there would be another blocking move for ANZUS:”
    Yes and there have been subscribers pointing out this likelihood for some time . You seem to think that thumping your chest is going to change the minds of people who are in danger of losing their homes. Lets stop with the “red lines” talk before our neighbors start asking who their real enemy is.

  9. Leroy Huggins

    You know where things will go. We get the waves of citizens from these nations to destroy our sovereignty and self-determination, and China gets their land for military bases, and then a stranglehold on Australia itself.

    But you can’t get yourself out of this unless you are prepared to be racist, and recognise Anglo-Celt Australians have racial interests, that should be respected.

    So here we are. Ultimately the media determined our fate, and it was not kind to us, because we were too kind to them.

    • yes.
      the deafening silence from the major parties imposed mass immigration intakes is possible because of the deafening silence on mass immigration from the msm.

      • Jumping jack flash

        Worlds are colliding.
        On one hand the business lobby, on the other, nationalism.

  10. Hill Billy 55MEMBER

    Its interesting that we focus on the Pacific, yet ignore what has already happened in the Indian Ocean. Have a look at the “Ring of Pearls”, that surround India and you will get a perspective of why the Indians are so keen on the QUAD meeting that just took place in Japan.
    The “Ring of Pearls” equally apply to us in the Indian Ocean, yet we have been blind to its emergence.

  11. rob barrattMEMBER

    I think that when the Chinese PLA starts moving South from Darwin it could be good for house prices. People fleeng South will need rentals and we can still bring in immigrants via the Southern ports.

    So, All in All – Economy as usual – No Worries.

  12. I also wonder that with crazy high food inflation the Chinese may be seeking a bit more food imports from us in a manner that saves face from their current import bans on our goods.

    • Jumping jack flash

      Excellent, so Albo continues Scomo’s legacy…. but was it even Scomo’s?

  13. Its all BS as the U.S. during the Carter administration it legally agreed that Taiwan was Chinese sovereign territory, its documented.

  14. Jumping jack flash

    Sabre-rattling gearing up to something bigger?
    Arguably it was the Libs’ empty rhetoric that caused this whole problem in the first place.

    Maybe Xi is a power-mad psycho who wants to rule the world like apparently Putin does.

    But then again the western debt economies are in dire trouble and produce nothing except debt which is used to buy all the things from these other countries we suddenly find ourselves having problems with.

    Is there a link?

    • Maybe Xi is a power-mad psycho who wants to rule the world like apparently Putin does.

      Putin doesn’t even want to rule west of the Dnipro river.

  15. If the best we can do is scream “climate crisis” – we have lost already…

    • I don’t think we need that as evidence of us losing already.

      It was evident long ago.

  16. According to the current Constitution, the definition of ROC territories still includes mainland China. From the international law standpoint, Taiwan and Beijing are still maintaining the relationship of “one country, two governments.” James Crawford, the author of The Creation of States in International Law, also denied Taiwan as an independent country in his book as Taiwan has never explicitly claimed independence. – snip

    People need to read up on this before going off half cocked and then go the full Hayek panic mode …

    • This is true. Under international law, Taiwan is a domestic province of China.

      You do not pick fights, you cannot win.

      The difference between Labour and Liberals, was Morrison went against he crowd and picked a fight he saw in the national interest. Wong won’t pick a fight at all…

      • The one and only reason Morrison gave China the stink eye in public was because hes a mystic zealot and his camps rusted on notions about goatless commies thingy … when they are on a mission to administrate humanity ….

  17. Of course we all support a One China policy. The sooner Taiwan reintegrates the breakaway, illegitimate state of West Taiwan, the better off the entire world will be.