“Psycho” Morrison “ends the weekend”

The problem with being such a prolific liar is that you are constantly being mugged by reality. Recall this:

Scott Morrison has also doubled down on his scathing comments about electric vehicles in 2019, insisting he does not regret accusing Bill Shorten of wanting to “end the weekend” with his electric vehicle plan.

Mr Morrison savaged Labor’s proposal back in 2019, accusing the party of trying to force Australians to give up their petrol-run cars.

“[Electric vehicles] are not gonna tow your trailer. It’s not gonna tow your boat. It’s not gonna get you out to your favourite camping spot with your family,” he said.

“Bill Shorten wants to end the weekend when it comes to his policy on electric vehicles.”

Apparently, so does “Psycho” Morrison:

Scott Morrison will announce $243m in grants for manufacturing projects that will enable Australia to seize on the rise of electric vehicles and reduce global reliance on China for a crucial rare earths material needed to make them.

In a speech to the Western Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, the Prime Minister will on Wednesday outline funding for major private projects that produce critical minerals or are involved in manufacturing batteries.

“These projects are about manufacturing the products and materials Australians need and the world needs, by making them right here at home,” Mr Morrison said.

Is this really about cars? It looks more like about wars:

Strategic concerns about China’s market dominance have increased since Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine, which exposed Europe’s reliance on Russia for energy.

“We know that Russia provides very large amounts of thermal coal and gas into Europe and that is now a strategic challenge for them — we want to make sure Australia is never in that position,” Resources Minister Keith Pitt said.

“We do need to ensure that no matter what we do, we make sure that these concentrated supply chains in some areas that we currently have do get broken up into the future.”

The funding announced today includes $30 million for a rare earth minerals separation plant run by Arafura Resources in Central Australia.

That’s more useful.

Still,  we should note that just about everything that the “Psycho” has said about electric vehicles is a lie:

  • They are affordable already and very much so at $100+.
  • They get to 80% charge in minutes.
  • They will tow your boat and do have range, though that costs more, just as it does with internal combustion.

And, yes, given Morrison’s oil security policy is to have 1.5 days of supply stored locally and a reserve bunkered in America, it is in the national interest to electrify transport ASAP.

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  1. kierans777MEMBER

    And, yes, given Morrison’s oil security policy is to have 1.5 days of supply stored locally and a reserve bunkered in America, it is in the national interest to electrify transport ASAP.

    Despite what else you might think of him, everyone needs to thank Jim Molan for trying to get this issue onto the public radar. There is an obvious way to bring Australia to it’s knees in any conflict.

    However we need to focus on electrification and investment of public transport. An electric car still causes congestion, still requires road maintenance, parking facilities, etc. The fastest way to decarbonise our transport sector is to get the ~50% of people in this country who live in two capital cities out of their cars period.

    • Sounds like a great idea in theory. The thing is that people value their time. For example with fixed lines of rail, those lines of rail tend to all lead to CBDs which means they are more efficient than cars in moving people from the suburbs to the city. But as MB and Ross Elliot have frequently pointed out at best only circa 15% of jobs are located in CBDs. Rail on the other hand is not very efficient in moving people around the suburbs – for this kind of movement cars whether petrol or electric will be always be quicker. Because people value their time most people will choose car trips – only when public transport is quicker will people move to public transport (unless the cost of owning a car becomes prohibitive) – eg Singapore.

      • kierans777MEMBER

        Rail on the other hand is not very efficient in moving people around the suburbs – for this kind of movement cars whether petrol or electric will be always be quicker. Because people value their time most people will choose car trips – only when public transport is quicker will people move to public transport

        Rail is not efficient because we haven’t invested in the infrastructure to move people around the suburbs. If the SRL in Melbourne gets built, I will be using it a lot.

        There’s also lots of room for improvement in the bus networks. For example, in Melbourne they should offer an express shuttle service from Dandenong to Ringwood via East Link to help people move around the suburbs. Why can’t I easily get from Box Hill to Glen Waverly on a bus? It’s these sorts of improvements that can make a difference, and drive change. Which is my point. Use the need to electrify transport as an opportunity to invest in PT and shift people onto electric buses/trains/trams.

        As for time, I don’t value sitting behind a wheel. On PT I can work, read, etc. Thus I am more productive.

        • Widespread uptake of PT outside the commuter use case it is optimised for is a tough sell – and I say that having lived without a car in a city that has excellent PT (Zurich). And the problem is that the commuter use case has taken a bit of a pounding the last couple of years.

          In most cases, as soon as you need to do a change on PT – even in the same mode of transport – it starts to become a pain. And this is inevitable when your trips are no longer to/from major commercial centres (be they the CBD or suburban).

          It’s as much a cultural/mindset change as anything practical, and changing those when there’s no obvious short-term selfish benefit is _really_ hard.

          You’ll get people out of cars and onto electric bikes/scooters, before you get them onto PT.

          People aren’t going to give up cars without sanctions that are, quite frankly, punitive (eg: Singapore) – and simply owning a vehicle in Australia is already extremely expensive so people are clearly prepared to pay a large cost for it.

          Even in places with excellent PT and substantial use of it (eg: Northern Europe) vehicle ownership rates are similar to Australia.

          Focus should be on maintaining WFH outcomes from COVID, directly subsidising EVs/Hybrids for lower income earners (new and used cars) and giving tax or similar advantages for higher incomes earners (new cars only).

          • Hey Doc, are you regretting not buying an EV before the prices went up in the last few weeks? … and now the wait time from order to delivery is stretching out to 8 – 9 months.

            It’s a dream driving past $2.30 / liter signs for the low octane petrol, when just $2.30 will pay the total fuel costs for my daily 60Km + daily commute in my EV – if I have to draw on the grid for the power.

            But when the sun shines, I save the $2.30 too. Day after day.

          • drsmithyMEMBER

            Not yet. Fuel would need to get up to something like $4-5/L for it to have been a similar overall cost.

            We were after a 5 2-seater, and the only PHEV alternative really on the table was the Volvo XC90, which was (from memory) another $25-30k. Plus it was a much larger car than we wanted.

            We ended up with a Tiguan Allspace, but bought with the intention to replace it in ~2 years with a pure EV, under the assumption they’d be arriving in the market at a better price point by then.

          • Our own decision process ran over years, so the plus & minus stuff reminds me of us, just a couple of years ago.

            But once we moved, there is no thought at all about going back to ICE & wondering why anyone would not cross to the EV side with us.

            Mind you, the per liter cost of diesel / petrol is completely outside yours and my control.

            All the best!

          • We’d been holding out for a couple of years waiting for the EVs to start arriving, but the old Golf was just getting too small for two children, even with a cargo box on the roof. If we hadn’t decided we needed 5 + 2 seats (for the occasional weekend trip away with grandparents included) we probably would have held out just that bit longer for an Ioniq 5.

      • arescarti42MEMBER

        This is the key insight when it comes to public transport use, and most people don’t appreciate it. If you’re working full time in Australia, then your time is probably worth $40-50 an hour.

        It doesn’t matter how good the public transport services are, the reality is that for the majority of trips, a car is going to be much quicker, and therefore much less costly for most people. This is true in basically all rich countries, with the exception of a few very large, very dense cities where driving is prohibitively difficult or costly (e.g. central Tokyo).

        This will always be the case for regular public transport services (e.g. bus and train) because cars are on demand and point to point, while public transport typically requires walking at either end (which is slow), and takes indirect routes with regular stops.

        • I’ve been riding around Melbourne on push bikes for years. In the Inner 5km ring its quicker to cycle than to drive. With better infrastructure and e-bikes to lower the entry barriers we could easy chop commuter car numbers in half.

          • Having ridden rain hail and shine Hampton/Sandy to SMEL or Richmond for years, pushy was invariably faster, was crazy. And not North Road Ride speeds, well not all the way 😉

    • GonzificusMEMBER

      Look at any congested city in Asia, everyone is on scooters. If more people were on 2 wheels it would help road congestion, 4 scooters for every 1 car.
      I think a 2 wheel city would be great, everyone could get a parking spot in the carparks already provided. Put up bollards around the city to prevent car access. Sounds great.

  2. not to mention converting to electric reduces one of the greatest pollutants in Australia – ie the transport sector (assuming renewable generation).

    • Well worth mentioning. The chemicals released from ICE engines and which we all breathe, are making us & our children, and our elders sick.

      All this foolery, death, and misery just to make oil barons rich! There are plenty of people who need a dollar injection in preference to them.

  3. bolstroodMEMBER

    OK relax situation normal

    “Scott Morrison will announce $243m in grants ”

    and

    “the Prime Minister will on Wednesday outline funding for major private projects …”

    I am not sure which is less meaningful ,” announce” or “outline.”

  4. “The Ioniq 5 has a liquid-cooled lithium-ion battery with a capacity of 72.6kWh. The large onboard 10.5kW inverter means charging is quick and with a 50kW fast charger you can fill the battery from 10 to 80 percent in 61 minutes and 42 seconds.
    At 100 per cent charged, Hyundai says you’ll have a 430km range (WLPT).
    Realistically, the range will depend on how you drive the Ioniq 5, and blasting cold air on a hot day via the climate control can also drop the range significantly in any electric car.”
    “The Ioniq 5 with all-wheel drive and two motors sits at the top of the range and has a list price of $75,900.”

    We only have the one car and it needs to be able to go camping in occasional muddy conditions, fully loaded with water, camp gear, big roof pod and 3 mountain bikes on the back. What is the range now?

    10 to 80% takes an hour on a 50kw charger? $75 grand?? Not affordable. Not practical.

    And what about depreciation? I cant buy a new one, so second hand my only option. Battery warrantied to 160,000ks but thats almost worthless if its got 120,000 on it and the battery is showing signs of tiredness. And how will that warranty be honored? What would you pay for it then? $20,000? Thats $75k down to $20k on 120,000ks….not great.

    I want them to be good, Id love to own one, but would I buy that now? No way.

      • Spot on. The number of dunce Aussies that use the excuse of a once yearly trip to a caravan park via bitumen road (and call that camping. Pffft) is mind blowing.
        Hiring the 4WD is the way to go.

      • Yes! Right on, comrade! Whatever you want, you’ll rent.

        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aztvWxRKqDQ

        Not sure about the FNG, but for mine, I do not choose to trade the fruits of my productive labour for a product (an electric car) that inherently limits the outcomes of said product, and then having to trade even more fruits of my productive labour to obtain these limited outcomes.

        10% to 80% charge n 1 hour, FFS, and limited to either my domicile or some specific outlets that are scarce in the cities and non-existent outside. Same reason that I ditched the NG-powered Falcon as outside of city limits the distribution network was lacking. Yes, I could have planned every trip and paid attention to every detail and all that… But boring!

        0 to 80 litres of diesel in the tank in 5 minutes pretty much anywhere. Not to mention that majority of the electricity in this country is still produced by burning stuff, not by collecting wind/solar. Which means significant transmission losses for the electricity delivered to the EV.

        There is no substitute for energy stored in hydrocarbons to date that is as cheap and as transportable.

          • That is one ugly car!

            The point of the rant wasn’t against EVs. Just like FNG, if they come up with a product that meets all individual needs (which may vary, that’s why some choose a hatch vs. a large SUV), at a comparable price point, awesome!

            The rant was against the prescriptive use of one’s resources (money in this case) to obtain means to achieve a goal in a way it suits someone else.

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      You are a corner case.

      The majority of Australian cars do maybe a few dozen km of driving a day, the occasional trip of a few hundred km, and only turn off a bitumen road to enter a driveway. Stick ’em on a home charger every night or once a week, or on a fast charge at the shopping centre once a week.

      For them EVs are a drop-in replacement, and have been for a good 5-10 years.

      The only real barrier is availability/price.

      • He’s not really or yes/no

        Lots of people go camping lots, or towing boats, etc etc etc. Snow gear on the roof, or surfboards, or roadbikes or MTBs – how does power use look then? It’s not like this type of use doesn’t happen every weekend.

        An EV Ranger and similar would be handy

        I’d hate to have had an EV trying to rescue people/tow boats or get through water – are EVs sealed or can they traverse water like a 4×4 with a snorkel or water to the treads? People without power for 2 weeks now. Some forecast for another 4-8 weeks, oops can’t charge your car or your house…yes I know that’s not the majority but it plays into psychology …and with annual floods….

        Take the point this is about getting lots of people in Syd Mel Bris onto EVs, so my point is the 2nd car a good starting point.

        I think a useful way to think about this is focussing on converting people with two cars – let’s say a 4WD/SUV AND a smaller passenger car, where both are ICE, to having one electric as a starting point.

        We’re waiting for an EV with a range of about 400km under $40k and then the Hyundai i30 goes. I think price decreases possibly paired with subsidies/low interest loans and or rego/stamp incentives could help.

        Agree this is a problem of availability and price, but for a large number ie the case above, range for use case. ICE 4WD to be around for a while yet

        • Spot on, the ute which is the 2nd car gets an active workout on acreage, towing and picking up building supplies for renovations. The 2nd car (CX-5) would be the ideal substitute, top of the line was $50K. Equivalent electric starts at $75K plus. I can buy a lot of solar panels, batteries and trees for carbon offset for that price.

          My personal change has been the investment in solar and batteries. We are building out a property with 3 small rentable bnb’s which will run aircon and some cooking equipment. Combined with our house would have seen the SWER overloaded, the utility company quoted $300K for 3 phase. $112K investment in solar and batteries will see power available year round with backup emergency power coming from the grid or the tractor PTO genset when the sun cannot top up batteries and the grid is down.

          Hydrocarbons still remain the go-to for long distance or heavy load work due to energy density. I want EV’s to better ICE but for most they are still a luxury purchase.

        • Swampy, this may be close to the needs you outlined. BYDs new offering here is $45k drive away, 480 km range and 30 min charge on a DC fast charger if you can find one.
          https://evdirect.com.au/atto-3
          The offerings seem to be rapidly improving each year.

        • drsmithyMEMBER

          Well, he is, because only a minority of cars on the road are capable of “camping in occasional muddy conditions, fully loaded with water, camp gear, big roof pod and 3 mountain bikes on the back.”

          And of those that are, I’d be pretty comfortable betting that only a minority of them actually do it at all, let alone with any frequency.

          I do not disagree with you in the slightest that the biggest inroads for EVs will be initially made in the “second car” space, but that doesn’t really change my point, which is that for a comfortable majority of situations, existing EVs are a drop-in replacement right now.

          (Speaking of floods, there were a couple of cases around Brisbane of people with Ioniq 5s using their vehicle-to-load ability in flood affected areas to power pressure washers and other electrical equipment, in areas that had lost mains power.)

          Why do you need a 400km range on your (I assume, based on this conversation and an i30 as an example) second, run-around-town car ?

          We recently purchase a new vehicle and I was looking at some of the PHEVs with a 50-100km EV-only range, and by my estimates we would probably have been able to do 90% of our driving within that (and all of the driving that might be done by a second car, if we had one), assuming a nightly charge. Pretty much the only reason we didn’t get one was $$$$$ (even doubling the annual fuel bill and taking 90% off it, I reckon the payback for the PHEV premium would have taken a solid 5 years, and I don’t expect to keep this car that long).

        • Would love to get an electric 2nd vehicle to replace an older Yaris but they are too expensive still. So yeah it’s mostly a cost barrier.

    • A 50kw charger is called a ‘fast charger’ but is actually pretty slow. If you are on a roadtrip in an EV, you will stop at a 150kw, 250kw, or 350kw charger. 50kw chargers are usually at destinations you want to stop for a while and have a meal etc. So the 60min charge time quoted would be much faster at a fast charging station.

  5. Grand Funk RailroadMEMBER

    One of the better ideas I have heard in recent days is by a Union Official (covering a sector where lots of punters arent too happy about being corralled into going back to the office after 2 years of largely working from home).

    A good way around the massive surge in fuel prices brought about by Australia having sweet FA fuel processing capacity and sweet FA storage capacity – both largely bipartisan policy – is to reinforce the work from home right for Australian employees wherever it can be shown to have no detrimental effect on a business.

    Work from home is the answer to a lot of issues – except for those who make coffees for office workers maybe

    • Work from home is the answer to a lot of issues – except for those who make coffees for office workers maybe

      And the young graduates who might want to learn from more experienced colleagues.

      • Grand Funk RailroadMEMBER

        Yeah thats a good point. Make it optional for people who want to go up the ladder. They should be able to go into the office if they want

  6. I never understood why the LNP hates EVs (culture wars aside). They are 70% powered by Australian coal which is surely better than 100% powered by foreign oil. Plus off peak charging overnight strengthens the business case for continuing with using coal fired power stations as caseload generators.

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      I never understood why the LNP hates EVs (culture wars aside).

      As with most Conservative policy making today, there is no reason outside culture wars.

      • TRADINGtheAPOCALYPSE

        Correct. Scummo and co., as usual, were simply trying to create negativity and fear around every one of labors policy ideas (justified or not). EVs/hydrogen was part of that.

        A lot easier than coming up with decent policies yerself.

  7. lur.
    isn’t Lynas still in the states, building up refining?
    just dumbass pile-on from super & SPACs?
    this is another undoable brainfart from LNP.

  8. Electric cars are for rich people. Until you can buy a used one for < $10k that performs as well as an ICE they are not an option for many people. Any financial incentives to buy electric merely permit EV makers to get away with an inferior product (relative to ICE) for longer, as well as being another form of middle class welfare. The USA's Democrats are crapping on the poorest in the by not ensuring continued affordable fuel and some are proud of making it more expensive while they drive around in the brand new EVs. Making oil drilling leases harder to get and not completing the keystone pipeline are dumb moves. EVs will continue to improve but it is far too soon for them to become the dominant engine. Please show us how EVs are affordable for people earning <70k pa.