Why won’t businesses train Australian workers?

The Australian has published an article claiming that Australia’s army of unemployed are incapable of filling job vacancies, thereby necessitating the business lobby’s call for a gigantic ‘skilled’ migrant intake:

A yawning skills gap needs to be plugged if Australians are to fill the surge in job vacancies through the pandemic – with nine in 10 jobseekers not having the requisite training demanded by the vast ­majority of available roles, according to a new analysis by the ­Department of Education, Skills and Employment…

Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry chief executive Andrew McKellar criticised both major parties’ migration ­policies, and again called for an ­increase in annual permanent skilled migration to 200,000 for at least the next two years.

“With businesses facing the worst skill and labour shortages in more than three decades, it’s regrettable that neither of the major parties have committed to an ambitious skilled migration program to plug the jobs gaps we’re seeing across the economy,” he said.

“Skilled migration is not a zero-sum game. We must also increase investment in our education and training systems … but the short­ages we face are here and now.”

Why haven’t Australian businesses provided the requisite training to Australian workers to ensure they have the skills to fill positions?

As noted by RBA governor Phil Lowe last month in a Q&A in rural NSW:

“When I entered the labour market it was quite tight and firms spent a lot of resources attracting and retaining people”.

“That drives productivity growth … I’ve been talking quite a lot about the importance of reinvesting in training and skills. I think that’s a job for both business and government to support that.”

It’s not like the business lobby hasn’t complained incessantly about ‘skills shortages’ for the past two decades. Exactly the same arguments were made by these lobbies to a Senate Inquiry in 2002:

‘According to the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (ACCI), the lack of suitably qualified staff has been a major concern for Australian industry over the past decade, and is one of the most significant barriers to investment…

‘The Australian Industry Group (AiG) … reports that several industry sectors, including manufacturing, are continuing to experience serious skill shortages which, unless effectively addressed, may have severe and lasting consequences for Australian enterprises…

‘The Business Council of Australia submission points to the risk of future broad-based skill shortages resulting from an ageing population’…

Despite decades of turbo-charged ‘skilled’ migration, whereby literally millions of foreign workers were imported into Australia, the business lobby continues to make identical claims about chronic skills shortages.

How could this be? How could Australia have such dramatic skills shortages after all these years? And why then is Australian wage growth tracking at close to its lowest level in history if skills shortages are so pervasive? It doesn’t add up.

Remember also that Australia’s Temporary Skilled Migration Income Threshold (TSMIT) has been set at an abysmally low $53,900, which was $8,500 (14%) below the median income of all Australians in August 2021 ($62,400), which includes unskilled workers:

Australian median income

The median income in Australia was $62,400 in 2021.

Setting such a low TSMIT has explicitly incentivised Australian businesses to hire low cost foreign workers instead of local workers, as well as abrogated their need to provide training.

Instead of giving the business lobby even easier access to migrant workers, a pay floor equivalent to the 75th percentile of weekly earnings ($94,120 p.a. in 2021 – see above table) should be applied to both temporary and permanent skilled visa holders.

Doing so would ensure that Australian businesses can only hire foreign workers to fill highly skilled professions, while also eliminating the need for labour market testing or maintaining bogus Skilled Occupation Lists.

These simple reforms would maximise the economic benefits from skilled migration. Skilled local workers would no longer be undercut. Complexity of the visa system would be reduced. And lifting of the quality bar would reduce the overall level of immigration – both directly via having fewer skilled visa holders arrive and indirectly by making it harder for other temporary migrants (e.g. foreign students) to transition to a permanent skilled visa.

The business sector is conducting quite the propaganda campaign to increase immigration in Australia. What a shame they lack the foresight or aren’t prepared to invest in training Australians.

Unconventional Economist


  1. I wonder if Australian businesses even know how train people anymore. I don’t think they have the skills or capability themselves. They can bearly value add beyond their transaction management mindset.

    • They absolutely don’t.

      In my Last 10 years of corporate life, I had more training on D and farking I than I had for my actual job. “Training” is now only about box ticking to keep HR happy.

      • Anders Andersen

        Box ticking is absolutely the only training we do.

        “no, you need more curl on the tick!”

    • kiwikarynMEMBER

      “Training” these days has been redefined to mean lecturing people on diversity, sexual harrassment, and recognising white priviledge. There is a lot of “training” being done.

    • DodgydamoMEMBER

      Agreed… and in part this is because housing and raising children is costly, and wages have not kept pace with inflation (particularly cost of housing) in part due to wages being suppressed by excessive rates of “skilled” migration willing to work for less and in part because of increased competition for available housing from the skilled immigrants needing somewhere to live also.
      It is even preventing some of the children already here from getting their earliest employment experience (skills) as they become young adults (eg in hospitality, warehousing, supermarket trolley collector…) further exacerbating skills and wage earning problems for the next generation of employees… and so renewed calls for “skilled migration” to somehow alleviate the problem again 🤔

    • Mr SquiggleMEMBER

      Disagreed. Net births are positive. We have heaps of kids. The real issue is it takes too long to rear children. Our country sees the raising of children as a tiresome bother, waiting for them to learn manners and go through schooling. its much easier to give preference to an adult migrants

    • Hmm but we still have much child poverty… There are still dedicated charities for them like there like ‘The Smith Family’ I would imagine these charities would be greatly diminished if the parents had stable employment, with lower costs of living and meaningful pay.

  2. pfh007.comMEMBER

    Skills and training are excuses. All new staff require training regardless of where they are from. Most serious skills / qualifications from overseas are not locally recognised anyway.

    Business wants migrants because they are easier to push around.

    Especially while their ability to work is limited by their visa.

  3. Totes BeWokeMEMBER

    “Why haven’t Australian businesses provided the requisite training to Australian workers”

    Because they don’t have to.

    Labor’s support for mass immigration leads to everything that’s wrong with Australia.

    No training. Gutting of tafe. Poor opportunity for our kids. Huge house prices. Collapsing environment.

    Labor betrayed workers. LNP and big business exploit how treacherous Labor are.

    This is not ending well for everyone but the elites.

    One solution. Replace Labor with people that will fight for Australia and plebs.

    • kierans777MEMBER

      LNP and big business exploit how treacherous Labor are.

      I agree with you there Totes. It’s something I wish the unions would realise and fight mass immigration.

  4. Totes BeWokeMEMBER

    We’ve all pretty much now accepted fruit pickers, bum wipers, uber delivery, car washers are migrants while Australians collect $44 plus plus plus a day on the dole (Not for a second suggesting Australians should work for peanuts).

    That list will grow and grow and grow over time, and then the dole will end. Ditto Medicare. Ditto pensions.

    Fight this now with everything we’ve got, get all Australians working and off welfare, or we’re fked.

    In other words. Crush the left that have gone way too far, they’re killing us with kindness.

    • working class hamMEMBER

      What’s killing Aust is corporate welfare, labour hire, a ridiculous immigration system designed to undercut wages, a tax system based predominantly on income tax revenue and a business sector hooked on the above.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        For sure. Along with selling off our country and allowing everything to be offshored.

        However, Labor has created the perfect storm for LNP and big business to get everything they want by being far too generous with welfare and supporting mass immigration.

        A micro example is Australia now accepts foreigners “need to come” to pick fruit that would otherwise rot on the ground.

        We are frogs in the pot accepting more and more of our future to be given away because of Labor becoming so woke they can’t find solutions, can’t get elected.

        One solution. Destroy the Labor party.

    • RobotSenseiMEMBER

      Funny that in all the white-collar professions, the solution to a company’s labour shortage is to train/recruit staff using money as a major incentive.

      In blue-collar land however, “ah nobody wants to work! The dole must be too high!”

          • No, people like you have been complaining about how generous the dole was and how the poor should be forced off it into work pretty much since the inception of the social security system. Nothing about that has changed at all.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Call me crazy, but I just don’t see the sense of importing people to work in unskilled labour while there’s a million unemployed.

            Are you seriously saying everything is okay, nothing needs fixing?

            I know I know, you are going to say…”smith has opposed immigration for 100 years”.

            You cannot have, high immigration, a million unemployed Australians, and high dole.

            If you continue defending ANY PARTY that supports mass immigration, you are part of the problem. you are what will cause the end of the dole, and Medicare, and horrendously hard lives for the poor and working class.

            It’s time for the left to grow the fk up. You are causing our country immeasurable pain into the future.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        With Labor’s support for mass immigration we’re heading for American style working class poverty, political corruption, and eventually near zero welfare and medical. That’s where Labor’s taking us.

    • MB readerMEMBER

      What are you suggesting by “$44 plus plus plus a day on the dole”? It sounds like you think it is too much.

      Actually I just read the remainder of your posts after my posting my comment above. I am not even going to bother commenting further!

  5. working class hamMEMBER

    Random bottlo manager yesterday. On phone to staff about extra shifts, which they turned down.
    Visibly annoyed, he remarked “his casuals were getting paid too much if they could afford to turn down shifts, not hungry enough.”

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Or, they’re knocking back shifts because their welfare gets cut if they work too many hours.

      Needs a million more regulations.

      1. Knock back reasonable hours at award rates. No dole for you.

      2. Knock back employment. No dole for you.

      The woke have destroyed the workers in Australia. This is what you get when people like Plibersek, Gillard, Rudd, the Project and drsmithy run Labor party policy.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          Correct, and given you don’t have an argument, you can finally see it too.

          You are just so kind, you’re killing us. When policy for the plebs is put together by elites in the workers party and extreme woke media, it’s not going to go well.

          Just for clarity. Do you think there should be over a million people unemployed while we bring in fruit pickers and others?

          BTW, I love giving these beautiful people from the islands around us opportunity, but this isn’t about emotion. This is about what’s good for Australia and our kids futures.

          • Social security (for the poor at least, middle class welfare is generally doing just fine, and Government largess for the wealthy is, of course, legendary) has been getting steadily smaller and harder to get for decades.

            Historically it was much higher in real terms, alongside lower unemployment.

            You are wrong, as usual.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER


            I’m not wrong. You are an extreme leftist. You are never going to understand what’s going on. You’re missing 4 of the 7 aspects of the situation. Tragedy is people like you now run the Labor party. That is the base of the whole problem our country’s got.

          • Arthur Schopenhauer

            ^^ Totes, overt anger doesn’t get you far in politics.

            Getting involved with a local Independent or group of like minded people does.

            Go talk with some real people in your neighbourhood and get involved in a local campaign. It will do a great deal more than ranting on a blog. (And help with your anger.)

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Hey something weird happened then.

            Anders name changed to Arthur. I’m almost certain of it.

            “It will do a great deal more than ranting on a blog.”

            I’ve convinced thousands Labor are our problem all over the internet. When I see Plibersek lose her seat, I’ll know my work is done. Independents won’t make ground until enough people hate the Labor party.

            BTW, I don’t have an anger problem. I have a problem with Labor, dumb people, and overt wokeness.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Don’t flatter yourself smith. I meant your ridiculous extreme left ideas that have helped destroy the Greens and dragged the Labor party to being unelectable.

            You and people like you have wrecked our future because you don’t understand the world or people, because you miss 4 of the 7.

    • You might find the staff are causals and/or have more than one job they depend upon. Plus they might have other duties and errands to do. Welcome to America’s 51st State.

      • Totes is quite possibly the Boomeriest Boomer here. He has absolutely no concept of how “work” and “welfare” actually function today.

        I expect every appliance in his house with a clock is flashing “12:00”.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          I’m far from a boomer.

          I’m just a ex Labor voting, lifelong union member, working class normal guy, wondering how we’re going to get out of this mess Labor’s created.

          • Display NameMEMBER

            Labour created? Howard initiated the population ponzi? And the LNP has been in 80% of the time since then.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Labor did nothing about it when in power, and they support it.

            Labor are the environment and plebs party. Labor’s fault.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            Of course it makes sense.

            An anti immigration, anti establishment, pro environment, pro worker, free medical, welfare safety net IPA troll?

            Don’t think so. Just your average ex Labor voter.

          • kierans777MEMBER

            Labor did nothing about it when in power, and they support it.

            Rudd should have ended Howard’s mass immigration. Instead “Big Australia” is part of the ALP platform. It’s only right to be angry at the “workers” party for such a poor decision.

          • An anti immigration, anti establishment, pro environment, pro worker, free medical, welfare safety net IPA troll?


            As your posts taking the side of business and demanding people be pushed into sh1t working conditions by cutting away the safety net demonstrate, you are not pro-worker, pro-safety net, or anti-establishment.

  6. Fishing72MEMBER

    Why won’t businesses train Australian workers?

    Because then they wouldn’t even have the ludicrous suggestion of a thirty year skills shortage as cover for their coolie importation scheme.

  7. Totes BeWokeMEMBER

    “Doing so would ensure that Australian businesses can only hire foreign workers to fill highly skilled professions”

    That should be such a temporary measure and tiny numbers.

    Australians are diverse, smart and adaptable. There should be no reason to bring in skilled migrants. It should be such an anomaly, and temporary, the minister should have to approve each one.

    The default must return to training Australians, and when that fails on extremely rare occasions business can apply to the minister and temporarily fill while training Australians.

    Or expect what we’re getting.

  8. The business lobby are shortage-decriers.

    Wages not going up. Wages cannot buy a house. Two wages needed to support a family. OH NO – There is a shortage of labour say the SHORTAGE-DECRIERS.

    But take the example of houses:
    Rents very high. Prices very high. Hard to get permission to build extra houses. Many poor people jammed into each house.
    OH NO – There is NO shortage of housing say the SHORTAGE-DENIERS.

    And scoundrels then suggest bringing in immigrants to live in our capital cities. This makes the housing shortage worse and keeps housing expensive, and makes the labour abundance worse and keeps wages low. It’s not hard to understand. These are not difficult concepts for an honest brain to grasp.

    • Jumping jack flash

      It is simply inflation suppression tactics carried forward from 2006. The inflation boogeyman is no longer a threat and hasn’t been for many, many years, yet our inept leaders with no original thoughts between the lot of them cannot for the life of them think of anything else to do.

      Our glorious leaders know nothing about the jobs they have been assigned to perform, and the roles they have been handed to manage, so they simply let the vested interest “experts” tell them what to do. Its easier that way, and they can hopefully snare a cushy job at one of the said vested interests after they decide to leave politics.

      Its win, win, win, for everyone!

      • Anders Andersen

        ” The inflation boogeyman is no longer a threat and hasn’t been for many, many years, yet our inept leaders with no original thoughts between the lot of them cannot for the life of them think of anything else to do.”

        They know what to do, but their sponsors (donors) won’t let them.

    • These are not difficult concepts for an honest brain to grasp.
      Or in Upton Sinclair’s words

      “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

  9. Totes BeWokeMEMBER

    Friend of mine went cherry picking for fun. They charged her $4 a kilogram, and the cherries are hers to take.

    Cherries are $15 a kg in the shops now.

    That’s a big difference, and I’m sure the price of picking them is nearly none of the difference.

    More so it’d freight, Woolworths massive mark up, and a dozen other corporations along the chain whose CEOs live near Malcolm, Wilkinson, maybe overseas, but very likely to donate to LNP and Labor.

    We are being rodgered from every angle, more and more every year, mostly because the elites have infiltrated everything, but especially the Labor party and MSM.

    • BoomToBustMEMBER

      $4/kg?? Where is this? We went cherry picking in the Dandenong ranges, cost the 4 of us $44 entry, and we paid $14/kg for what we picked. We could have purchased them for the shops at $16/kg. While it was a fun family activity, it was very expensive, even when you factor in us eating a few cherries as we went.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        I think over the ranges in Sydney because I know there was a lot of wine involved as well.

        • Anders Andersen

          Totes, ask your friends please as I think you’re gilding the lilly (sorta lying!) and have made it up.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            She has said it’s in Orange. Didn’t know the name, but said there’s a few.

            How did you go watching those animal documentaries I suggested? New perspective?

            Get some science into ya.

        • Anders Andersen

          Hahaha, went to a “place” in Orange, but can’t remember the name; beyond funny.

          Science into me, wouldn’t you men more like alchemy?

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            FFS you’re a punish.

            You asked. I tried. It was a bus tour. Why would she know the name?

  10. We’ve tried before…

    1990, the Australian government implemented the Training Guarantee scheme that required firms to contribute some of their income to employee training or a government fund for training programs. The Training Guarantee was abolished in 1996 after severe pushback from industry groups. A few years later we implemented mass immigration – the easier and cheaper path to labour supply.

    In other words we made our choice and now we’re suffering the consequences

    • “… we made our choices….’ We?
      You make it seem like sound people had a say in any of this….?

    • “the easier and cheaper path to labour supply.”

      Well it was easier….

      But considering the suppression of wages, the gutting of our tertiary education sector and the importation of those like Tim Soutphommasane, Yassmin Abdel-Magied and Osman Faruqi, I wouldn’t say this has been without cost at all.

      I’d assert it’d been the most costly option.

    • Anders Andersen

      Prior to the late 80s companies ( in the fabrication / construction fields anyway) were hit with a training levy and this went towards the tech colleges for apprenticeship training etc. Where I did my time they (and most other largish workshops as well) employed apprentices regardless of the environment at the time as they saw it as a duty to ensure there were sufficient trades availability, it would need a period of time before they’d retrench trades as they took a longer term view compared to today. In the late 80s into the 90s came the dismantling of trade training with companies sprouting up that supplied apprentices to companies as needed. they were used as cheap labour and training was never really a priority.

      I can talk to guys of my vintage about standards and they’ll all say not like the old days, training is substandard as is a lot of the output. Even in licensed areas like electrical work they shake their heads

      • Anders Andersen

        lololol Just looked up apprenticeship rates for boilermakers at FWA. 1st yr $12 ph, 4th yr $21 ph. When I went through you were paid a % of a tradesman and your training was provided, now you’re on rates (even in your last yr) where you earn less than the min workers rate of $25.

  11. Corp Australia has a zero mindset and terrible managers.

    I have the skill set I got today due to being at the right place and the right time and being hungry and lucky enough to have a manager share what he knew.

    I have paid this forward even when I wasn’t a manager or a senior. The individual I shared that same knowledge with has received multiple pay raises, to keep him there after I left and received another pay raise to go to the new place he’s got offered a role at.

    I’m walking into a new role as Senior in two weeks with some juniors underneath me. So ready to do it again.

    Who ever used that bottle O example. If that manager actually invested in some of his staff from the get go and not waiting to have someone “hungry” enough he will have a different response to his staff shortage. Young people know it’s a dead end so why bloody bother.

    Dangle a carrot in front of them that they get enrolled in store manager training to fill 2IC and 3IC positions. Get them understanding the P&L, BS and key drivers to generate money and you will have a few who will put their hand up. They might leave, but who knows don’t be an arsehole and they will stay.

    Don’t pick the brightest student who’s studying uni either, he’s not going to stick around at your bottle shop. The individual with a broken family and has nothing is a good start.

    End rant.

    • Jumping jack flash

      “the individual with a broken family and has nothing”

      I agree, but these are pretty rare. If they have any nous they will usually discover the DSP and free money for life.

  12. Jumping jack flash

    “The median income in Australia was $62,400 in 2021.”
    That’s preposterous! How can anyone be eligible for the colossal amount of debt required to attain an acceptable standard of living with that? How can anyone getting paid that amount hope to be an effective consumer and contribute enough to demand?

    With regards to skills training, training used to be such a large industry when I was a young whippersnapper setting out as a keen software developer, clutching my fresh IT degree and armed with dreams of becoming a highly paid technical expert and programming deity.

    I remember being sent to many training sessions at Dimension Data and AIM, and a few other places, during my early career. I remember them being incredibly expensive, and it probably makes far more sense these days for our plethora of service-providing SMEs to steal wages from fresh imports that already have the skills they need rather than fork out the insane amounts of cash for training. Even online training video libraries can be very expensive.

    However, the company I currently work for does have a scheme where they will reimburse approved self-funded training, so there’s that, but most of the training is simply too expensive for me to pay for up front.

  13. It’s not really that hard to understand if you start off with the assumption that Australian workers have an extremely low real world value, in the global sense.
    Lets begin with the assumption that Australian workers add close to zero value to the products they’re associated with. In this sense all product real value add happens outside Australia.
    If this is the basic belief of most employers then why would they even attempt to train Australian workers?
    Training your least valued employee makes no sense at all

    But lets not jump to far ahead of ourselves, maybe the spot to start is with the assumption that Australian workers are worthless? and the follow on question why are workers so undervalued?
    If we step back and view our Australian economy through the optics of Economic Complexity theory than we can begin to see why the self perceived value of Aussie workers differs so dramatically from that of the global value perception.

    https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/rankings (enter Australia)

    Lets look at the grouping that we find ourselves in (for the last decade we’ve been ranked somewhere between 80 and 93 in global economic complexity) this group includes members like Honduras, Morocco and Mail but that ranking only tells half the story. Since year 2000 we have dropped from 60th to 86th whereas a country like Honduras has risen from 100th to 90th. The only countries in the world with 20 year trend graphs anywhere near as ugly as Australia’s are Zimbabwe, Mongolia and Peru.
    Now ask yourself (as a global investor/ employer) with this metric in mind would you invest you’re limited budget in training Australians? The data suggests you’d get much better returns training workers in countries like Philippines 66th (2000) to 28th or Turkey 56th (2000) to 40th.
    Make no mistake about it, the main story that these trend graphs tell us is the story of the of changing global value of the work force in each of the countries mentioned.

    So invest in training Aussie workers …F#ck that, laughed so hard I spat my coffee.

    • Jumping jack flash


      “Small businesses are the foundation of our economy” to paraphrase the words of at least one of our more recent great leaders…
      And, “Mum and dad small businesses … “.
      And the most famous, “Those who have a go, get a go” – in relation to setting up small businesses.

      So what we end up with is a sea of SMEs who depend on cheap labour to provide their services and sell their imported items.
      Why train anyone to do that!?

      • Just to be clear, All I’m saying is that this Economic Complexity data is telling us an important story but we’ve got our hands over our ears, screaming “I can’t hear you”
        In the first instance this is a story about the collapsing global value of Australian businesses, however today we’re seeing this business collapse mirrored in the global value of Aussie Human Capital. That’s the take away I’m hoping that other Aussie will have.
        It’s one of these If you don’t acknowledge the problem then you can’t address the issues.
        I’ve raised this idea before and been widely dismissed as talking rubbish. The rebuttal goes along the lines,
        …. just look at how many Uni gradates we have today vs 20 years ago. Today’s Aussie 20 to 30 somethings are way better educated, way more globally valuable, way more skilled than was the case 20 years ago…..
        But the Economic complexity stats tell a completely different story.
        Just saying!

          • On the Mittlestand issue,
            I remember when the Aussie (initially CSIRO developed) Solid oxide Fuel Cell technology was sold to a small German company. I know the German high tech scene quite well but even I had to get out my map and search for the location of this small German company. Somewhere like backwoods Buttscratch Baveria. so I looked at the local university and local industry and guess what they were the emerging experts in the field of high temperature Fuel cells. This was a nothing company compared to CSIRO but it was supported by a first rate industrial infrastructure.
            As for the Andy Grove reference, I’m pretty sure I know the 3 Chinese Venture capitalists he mentions, it’s a weird world. One of them was the founder of a Taiwan/China electronics design startup called Mstar (Goggle that largely unheard of roaring success story)

      • working class hamMEMBER

        “So what we end up with is a sea of SMEs who depend on cheap labour to provide their services and sell their imported items, whilst enjoying tax minimisation and of course any public slop offered.”

        Small alteration.

  14. In Brisvegas currently and staying frequently at my sons place at Seven Hills near Morningside. A nearby TAFE , probably built in the 90’s, has been vacant for the last 5 years. A walk past it on the weekend revealed it is now a pile of rubble. Surrounded by million dollar villas, with obviously more to come. By the way, Brisbane is now a traffic nightmare and riddled with sub continental poseurs. It really needs a cyclone, which I am sure climate change will bring.

  15. Some of the most popular products at TAFE are the “short skills programs” that teach the stuff you used to learn on the job. These are fast becoming pre-requisites for entry level stuff such as hospitality and retail.

    • And it’s absolutely pointless. The credentialism of skills the average person could pick up in a week on the job probably play into fake calls for immigration.

      “Oh I can’t find someone with a certificate III in tourism or retail, whatever will I do? Please government, send me more immigrants”

  16. rob barrattMEMBER

    Our leaders inept?
    Come now chaps, looking at the current bunch it appears only the likes of Eddie Obeid and Ian Macdonald were inept enough to get caught. For the rest it’s businesss as usual, nice little earners all round.
    Have a great branch stacking new year everyone.

  17. Cheap Labour aside, I wonder if it’s not more about self reinforcing arrogance & control, They don’t want a team, just command & control slaves who will do as they’re told without question, even if it’s a stupid idea.

    Sometimes I don’t blame them for opting out of crecheing A.D.D. Peter Pans that have the attention spans of a blowfly & don’t want to learn, have no concept of discipline & just endlessly talk shite while being unable to leave their phone for more than 5 minutes. – It wasn’t always like this, but I can’t agree with employers short sightedness on this whatsoever – they don’t care about the future unless it affects Their kid.

  18. I think the way accounting work is impacting business decisions on employment. When companies hire a local permanent employee and train them, they go in the expense account which then impacts yearly profits. If companies outsource instead and use contractors, they go in the capital account and not reflected in yearly profits. Then after a few years, they make an excuse to write-off the capital as “one-off” event. So there is incentives for upper management to use contractors and outsourcing to enhance their yearly bonuses.

  19. Not sure how this is news to MB as it resonates with MB’s own editorial of Kochian radical right libertarian economics aka IPA i.e. cuts costs, keep employee skills as minimum ‘job ready’ and avoid those with higher education and skills, who can challenge authority.

    Then in demographics there is the obsession and dog whistling of short term NOM churn over and statistically inflated population (UNPD), then blamed for any issue to deflect from LNP. However, if you use OECD’s workforce data i.e. share of the population in medium-long term, parsing out short term temporaries, Australia is not unique and has an ageing and declining workforce but increasing numbers of dependents i.e. retirees needing a tax base to support services.


    However, the trick is to dupe Australians into thinking we are young country, but overpopulated threatened by post 1970s ‘immigrants’, over governed, too many taxes, public services and payments, then oldies vote against youngsters e.g. constraints on JobSeeker but not pensions?

    Like the UK, Australian governments voted in by ageing ‘conservatives’ on sociocultural issues e.g. ‘immigration’, are simply opening the door for US radical right libertarian socioeconomics joined at the hip with eugenics; treat employees like rubbish, dog whistle unions, immigrants, award conditions etc. so we become another shambolic Anglosphere regime like the UK i.e. ‘new Americans’?

    • Not sure how this is news to MB as it resonates with MB’s own editorial of Kochian radical right libertarian economics aka IPA i.e. cuts costs, keep employee skills as minimum ‘job ready’ and avoid those with higher education and skills, who can challenge authority.


    • kierans777MEMBER

      retirees needing a tax base to support services.

      Or, you know, retirees would actually still pay tax and contribute to the upkeep of their society and services. Given people live longer now, why should the stop paying tax?