Liar has brought low a great politcal party

The Liberal Party of Australia was once a great institution. It protected solid centrist values, individualism and markets. It has long been a bastion of small business and middle classes.

But today it is brought low in a manner that is causing despair among its party faithful.

Everywhere is a growing mutiny. We see business, evidence-based policymakers, genuine liberals, progressives, even extant MPs, campaigning against either the party, its policies or leadership.

Most prominent among them is a recently deposed PM who understands first hand the evil that has infected the party:

The former prime minister and federal Liberal party leader said on Wednesday night “clearly a lot of traditional Liberal party voters feel the party has moved way off to the right on a bunch of issues, in particular on climate, and they are frustrated by that”.

Turnbull said disaffected Liberal voters were “now getting the opportunity to vote for the sort of candidates that share their values”.

“I don’t think coalition governments are a bad idea – I don’t think working with crossbenchers is a bad idea,” the former prime minister said.

“I can make a case for you that the worst thing that happened to John Howard in politics was getting a majority in the Senate.

“The blood rushed to the head and he decided to introduce WorkChoices … he had no electoral mandate for it whatsoever, he did it because he could do it, and that was a major factor in his defeat in 2007.”

Turnbull said more representative diversity in the parliament meant prime ministers had to explain their positions to other actors in the political system.

“Once you start treating people with respect, you get a better result,” he said.

“There is a tendency for people to tell leaders what they want to hear – as a leader you have to work very hard to ensure people tell you what they really think. So it’s good to have to deal with, whether it is a crossbench in the house or the Senate, where you have to actually … explain your case.”

“I think a bit more diversity in our parliaments would actually make a very big difference.”

The truth is simple. Normal Australians no longer wish to be associated with the disgrace that is a Liberal Party of Australia brought low.

Who can blame them? The recent groaning cavalcade of corruption, toxicity and sin doesn’t belong in a series of Breaking Bad let alone our national parliament.

Rape, masturbation, orgy, philandering, groping, upskirting, abandoning burning communities, climate change denialism, pandemic policy catastrophes, oil and gas corruption, federal fragmentation, corporate budget grand larceny, nuclear pork, leadership instability, falling living standards, rampant game of mates, and disintegration of policy process and accountability. The seeding of a genuinely loony conservative offshoot party capable of anything.

Atop this steaming pile sits the most religious Cabinet of my lifetime. Are these two facts related? Maybe. This is how cults work, promoting the pathological over the reasoned, lifting the limited while driving out the able. Specialising in hypocrisy.

At the next election, this unholy Cabinet will be thinned out even more as the last of the relatively sane jump ship. Leaving behind more of the religious nutcases that come hand-in-hand with the sleaze.

Such ruination cannot all be put down to one man. It is many factors. The party has been in power too long. It has been overly pampered by a groveling Murdoch press. It has been poisoned by the fragmentation of the internet. It has been flattered by an inept Labor. It has been rocked by the pandemic. A ghoulish cast of beaurocrats ruthlessly cleans up their master’s messes. Successive Liberal leaders have recruited from ever-more loony bases.

But the fish rots from the head. None of the above would have been possible without an outstandingly toxic leader. It takes somebody with a mental illness defined by denial and obfuscation to allow such moral disintegration of civil service.

That man is the Liar from Shire, a disordered slob draped in rotting sausages, stinking of stale beer and strangled by a footy scarf like the shadowy talisman of imminent death.  A hollow cultist that wouldn’t understand civic duty if he were paid a million bucks.

He is unfit to lead the Liberal Party and our wonderful country both.

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    • Ronin8317MEMBER

      ScoMo is doing it for local political reason as well, no different from Biden. Where ScoMo could have done better is to link the boycott to the Chinese boycott of certain Australian exports.

      • Disagree Ronin, retaliatory trade actions are fraught with unforeseen consequences. China is suffering from their trade restrictions and they have gone about this in such a petulant manner that it’s obvious to all in the West; they can’t seem to grasp that the accompanying dialogue doesn’t work outside China. Better, I think, to lift the debate, and actions, to fundamental issues. like human rights, democracy and the like. This creates a plausible veneer to the actions even if that is only superficially true.

    • SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

      nothing but a grovelling fool looking after himself and does not deserve a nick name

    • C'est de la folieMEMBER

      Atop this steaming pile sits the most religious Cabinet of my lifetime. Are these two facts related? Maybe. This is how cults work, promoting the pathological over the reasoned, lifting the limited while driving out the able. Specialising in hypocrisy.

      Of course the other great unmentionable here is that the vast bulk of contemporary management has become a cult.  Almost always a cult of personality at the very top of our public sectors (State and Federal) and our large banks and large corporates.  All thriving in the absence of economic competition or public accountability.  All making hay while the era of zero interest money shines and feasting on an ever widening gap between their exhortations and the lived experiences of their clients and workforces.  All filling that gap with an endless stream of exhortations which they tell us are benefitting our lives but benefit primarily theirs.

      The cult is about promoting the survival of the cult – it is not about notions as abstruse as competitive companies or efficient use of public resources to promote societally beneficial outcomes.  At the top of the cult are the beneficiaries.  The politicians able to shove an ideology down the electorates throat, while ignoring the lived experience – taking the payoff with the politico salaries and the public funded perquisites and pensions.  The executive levels of the public sectors – and the source of the Robodebts, the failed census’ the abuse of contract labour in the public sector, the contracting out amidst claims of a lean public sector while inefficiently abusing the public purse through contracting, the bullying, the great unspoken [costing zillions more in contracts for communications and staff and client surveys] and the whiteboards and rorting of public funds – taking the payoff with the public sector executive salaries and the public funded perquisites and pensions.  The private sector corporate executives – bloating uncompetitive companies with casualised and temporary employees while exhorting the population Ponzi and harvesting people and avoiding the world of competition like the plague.  In that world the focus is all about behaviours and away from anything looking like data or mathematics or logic and accurate reporting.

      The cult of course has the funds, and the cult of course creates ‘winners’ and ‘losers’ but it’s all a bit like the US backed administration in Afghanistan.  The integrity of the cult becomes more important than any mission.  Little transgressions get swept under the carpet. Profiteering carpetbaggers become ‘allies’ and the whole focus for everyone involved becomes ‘just make sure I get out of this OK, and if I can pocket a bauble on the way then I’m not doing anything everyone else isnt.’ The mission vagueness, the contractors, the increasingly expensive operations, any atrocities, and the increasingly unaccountable costs – all fuelled by increasingly strident exhortations and missives through any known communication channels to the effect that not only is all good but that all is only getting better. 

      And all the while the punters on the ground – be they staff or clients or ‘investors’ or any form of ‘stakeholder’ – feel that the sheer unaccountability and the sheer level of exhortation of that other than the lived experience, and the sheer lack of respect accorded their actual concerns while the sheer volume of verbiage expressing or exhorting concern about that which isn’t part of their lived experience fuels a pervasive disenchantment and disengagement from whatever it was that brought them there in the first place and an increasing disenchantment with the whole process (or sh*tshow). Good people say ‘this is bull’ and walk away from careers or aspirations and simply settle down for what they half hope is a reckoning of sorts with as good as they can get for their families and themselves without buying into the increasingly pernicious behaviours being floated about at any given level of society by ‘leaders’ becoming ever more grotesque, and ever less credible with ordinary everyday people.

      Then one day there is some sort of report of some revolt about something somewhere far away.  And the next day it’s all a whole heap closer.  And the day after that its all about who can get to the airport on time and who has their seats booked – or who gets the contract payout or the redundancy.

      The apogee has passed for a lot of this.  The era of unending unearned proceeds just from harvesting what may once have been seen as some form of ‘greater good’ or a social impulse or cause, will focus more clearly on return to investment and outcome for outlay as the world moves from endless supply of meaningless money created to prevent markets collapsing and the inwardly focussed domestic economy this has fuelled in Australia and the wealth and status earned from other than economic endeavour that this has enabled.

      For sure there will be many of these psychopaths get away with golden parachutes of some description or another in the period to come and for some time yet.  But the risks for them all of putting a foot wrong and the potential costs to themselves from having been outed for doing so is climbing already. It might be a public examination of the banks, or the value of ever rising house prices. Maybe it will be the antiseptic of public awareness of just how ugly public sector contracting and labour hire has become. Or is there another epic public policy failing waiting in the wings? Could a University sector which has vomited academic positions as a response to Covid after a decade binge drinking on foreign students expose just another morsel of profound national interest failure? Could another surge in house prices or energy costs blow up the last vestiges of ‘elite’ credibility. Could a rejuvenated Population Ponzi light the fuse on public discontent? Could a global community looking to get medieval on carbon generators stick a white hot poker up a nation doing nothing but generating carbon and doing sweet FA about it?

      Yes it is the current government, but more so it is that section of our world which would consider itself ‘elite’ – it is all a cult.

  1. a great working title for Barnaby’s biography:

    “Rape, masturbation, orgy, philandering, groping, upskirting, abandoning burning communities, climate change denialism, pandemic policy catastrophes, oil and gas corruption, federal fragmentation, corporate budget grand larceny, nuclear pork, leadership instability, falling living standards, rampant game of mates, and disintegration of policy process and accountability. The seeding of a genuinely loony conservative offshoot party capable of anything.”

  2. Today ?

    The Liberal Party has been on this trajectory since (at least) Howard.

    The ascension and leadership of Tony Abbot over a decade ago should have settled their parlous moral and ethical condition in everyone’s mind.

    Morrison is the product of a process, and stands amongst peers of similar mind and belief. He is in no way an outlier.

    • Know IdeaMEMBER

      When recently reading some Chomsky, I was struck by the current relevance of one cited observation, which I paraphrase: politics is the shadow cast upon society by business.

      The sentiment and imagery appear apt.

    • kierans777MEMBER

      Agreed. I was talking with some friends and they were whining about the Liberals. The corruption, the lies. The cuts to the ABC. I resisted yelling “This is why I told you not to vote for Abbott” (which I know they did). Those who could see not only what Abbot et al would do to the country but also to their own party called this a long time ago.

      Howard was Marius, Abbott was Caesar and Scotty is Nero. Once the scene is set for the trashing of institutions no-one should cry surprise when it happens.

    • Morrison’s Madness is a bit like Climate Change. Proven, but the Mainstream Media is still reporting Both Sides.

      • MSM LOL. That’d be why 7:30 last night on ABC spent almost the whole programme with poorly constructed journalism and an unreliable witness on body shaming in elite Australian women’s sport. No doubt Swimming Australia has skeletons aplenty, but FMD, 7:30 ought to have spent the whole 30 minutes dismantling LNP lies and corruption rather than hand waving at sexism without laying a glove

    • The idea that the LP was the bastion of the middle class is either a joke or an indication of someone in the 40s or younger. If it’s middle class, it’s white collar middle class, the LP hasn’t given tinker’s cuss about blue collar workers EVER.

      • Uncle WattleberryMEMBER

        Being an older white collar worker, I tend to agree. A lot of us came from arse-out-of-their-pants blue collar families, when the Liberal Party was not a great deal of help to the worker. What’s interesting today is the phenomenon of blue collar tradies who, because they work for themselves, consider themselves ‘businessmen’, and proudly and vocally hitch their tipdray to the Libs.

        • You mean like the tradie that charged my recently departed dad $800 to change a flyscren door, ie 2 hours work. I can see why they are all right wing nut jobs now. I doubt that there is even an echo in their ears re their blue collar ancestral struggles, even though only a generation past.

          • TheRedEconomistMEMBER

            My local is a full of em…

            I am a suit and when I walk in they say “Here comes Labor.”

            Australia has gone mad.

    • Jumping jack flash

      “The Liberal Party has been on this trajectory since (at least) Howard.”

      This!

      The difference is with Howard, the people were happy to gorge on the cheap debt he enabled, and spend the free money he handed out to everyone – proceeds from the sale of government’s ability to elicit meaningful change which has shaped, and hobbled, modern politics ever since.

      I commented the other day that when faced with mounting COVID failures Scomo should have taken a leaf from Howard’s book and simply showered free money onto everyone. He had the perfect excuse to do it. Nobody would care about his COVID failures when they’re busy counting their free money. But no, Scomo had to favour his business mates instead of the people, and now the people are starting to weigh him, and find him wanting.

      • Howard was the line in the sand when the Libs centre of gravity moved north to Sydney and now QLD (?) while riding the Anglo Irish heritage vote.

        However, Howard seemed to have a chip on his shoulder about Victorian Libs (saw them as ‘progressive’ except Menzies of course), he allowed US Koch Atlas Network think tanks to become central in radical right libertarian policy i.e. IPA, and ascendancy of NewsCorp for PR & Comms while also catering to their strategic needs i.e. breaking anti-monopoly constraints; backgrounded by Tanton Network dog whistling of immigrants and/or population to stir up the electorate and blanket out any sensible constraints on fossil fuels.

      • kierans777MEMBER

        ScoMo giving free money to the plebs would have been too much like Labor’s stimulus during the GFC – the stimulus the Liberals cried foul about for years.

        Scotty will forever be praised by the stalwarts in the Liberal party for the largest wealth transfer from the public purse to private, wealthy interests.

  3. Seldon PlanMEMBER

    What a tragically accurate summary. You’d think it couldn’t get any worse. One wonders what could be in store for the long suffering Australian public when the election campaigns start in the New Year!

  4. There are three possible outcomes:
    1. A hung parliament with several new independent MPs (mostly if not all Liberal-leaning). Who forms government then?
    2. Another sleazy miracle from the Shire – aided and abetted by Rupert, Nine Fairfax plus a sycophantic ABC desperate not to get its funding cut, and of course a Ganges scale flood of pork, pork and more pork. Scomo and Barnaby for three more years. Rapture!
    3. A WA-style wipeout of the Liberals nationally except in Queensland, supported by the local ferals’ preferences.

    Here’s my prediction:
    Liberals lose 20 seats. Independents gain 8, including a couple from the Nationals. But the Senate is even more gridlocked. Labor can’t pass what they want and settle into filling their boots in Liberal-lite style with increasing infighting. Same as it ever was…

    • 1. A hung parliament with several new independent MPs (mostly if not all Liberal-leaning). Who forms government then?

      The ALP as they are the only ones who will deliver the integrity commission and climate action demanded by the Indies.

      • Doubt the independents will go with Labor. It’s the right move for the country but will Labor have the good sense to flood the middle, expose the nutters on the distant right and almost instantly reorient the nation back to the centre? I doubt it? They can’t see the forest for the wood chipper.

        If they were smart enough to do this then the Liberal party would implode, leaving the rump of crazies in the wilderness where they belong.

        • kierans777MEMBER

          If the independents drag Labor back to the sensible center and the ALP polls improve it might facilitate the longer term change in the party.

          I’m concerned about independents that are Liberal Lite themselves (think Rebecca Sharkie), who go along with damaging economic policy like the “stage 3 tax cuts”, or Big Australia. The last thing we need are independents like that who are effectively a Liberal vote.

          • kierans777MEMBER

            @Mr Tezza

            They shouldn’t have, and they should repeal them. Labor’s weakness is that they support bovine manure policy in order to support some good, rather than nothing. The Liberals, like the Republicans bundle a tiny amount of good policy (the LMITO) with a ton of horrible policy (stage 3 tax cuts) and then refuse to negotiate on anything. They would rather burn the house down than negotiate, and the media lets them get away with it. The headlines read “Labor opposes X” instead of “Liberals pushing bad policy”. Labor needs to stop this happening and get ahead of the media cycle.

            Independents don’t get targeted in the media the way that Labor does. If the Liberals sneeze and Labor doesn’t offer a silk handkerchief then it is weaponised by the Liberals and their sycophantic media allies.

            I think that Labor should increase the heat on economic issues and prosecute a case for genuine tax reform. It’s time to break the back of the lie that the Liberals are better economic managers. However, without media reform such an endeavour will fail.

            I expect more from independents, as they should be holding the government’s feet to the fire and be willing to burn the government down. Haines, etc should have withdrawn support for supply IMO when a procedural farce stopped her ICAC bill being debated. It’s clear that the Parliament is dysfunctional, so turn on the hose and clean the place out. Rinse and repeat and until we get a Parliament that works for the people.

          • How is the Stage 3 tax cut “damaging economic policy”?

            Even Albo sees the sense in them, otherwise his party wouldn’t be supporting it.

      • Federal ICAC will help blunt a lot of the psychopathy – it’s one of the most important political changes we need at the moment.

        Even if we can get in Labor just for that, it would be worth it.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          An ICAC will solve nothing.

          It might sink an MP or two, but they’ll be replaced with the same.

          What’s destroying the plebs is all legal.

          Let’s hear Labor condemn the quarter of a BILLION $$$$$$ LNP and Labor receive in donations every year.

          An ICAC is great, but essential? Just more Labor BS.

          Breaking bipartisan support for immigration is the only issue worth fighting. Failing that, nothing else matters. Our kids futures are doomed.

          • An ICAC will solve nothing.

            Scomocchio, is that you?

            The only way to test that assertion is to try it out, no?

            I mean, we can continue with BAU, and I know you enjoy the *old man shakes fist at sky* performative escapade, but it’s not gonna effect change like an ICAC could.

          • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

            I’m all for an ICAC, but certainly not voting Labor to get one.

            It’s about 100 down the list of priorities.

    • My rule of thumb is that the less legislation that is passed the better. A harm minimisation approach if you will.

      • call me ArtieMEMBER

        I favor the zero-sum approach. For every new statute added to the nation’s laws, an old one has to be removed

  5. Mutiny!
    I said I’m takin’ over
    U gotta give up the ship
    U gotta take a little trip
    I’m talkin’ mutiny!
    I said I’m takin’ over
    U gotta give up the ship
    U should’ve been a little more hip

    • That’s assuming the furniture is either non-partisan or pro-Labor.
      I suspect the furniture is a part of the same Lewd Nazional Phukker kinship and just lovin’ it.

  6. The Liberal Party of Australia was once a great institution. It protected solid centrist values, individualism and markets. It has long been a bastion of small business and middle classes.

    When was this exactly? Granted I’m Gen X so may not have been in my lifetime.

  7. kierans777MEMBER

    Atop this steaming pile sits the most religious Cabinet of my lifetime. Are these two facts related? Maybe. This is how cults work, promoting the pathological over the reasoned, lifting the limited while driving out the able. Specialising in hypocrisy.

    Pentacostalism is a cult. The “prosperity doctrine” is a cult. It has no more in common with orthodox Christianity than any of the other cults that have come before.

    Jesus supported the poor, the widows, the marginalised. Before anyone tries and links this pathetic, corrupt, liar to anything “religious” I suggest they go read the source material. The current Liberals are nothing like who they profess to follow.

  8. Not sure about the scummo hate fest here. Having experienced life under Andrews and watched the premiers of QLD and WA there is no chance in hell I would vote labour. I wonder if there are more people like me out there?
    A lying manipulative scheming two faced coward
    Is still preferable to any totalitarian labour government run by Stalinist wannabes

    • I’m unsure what aspects of Andrews and Vic you’re railing against but sometimes there is very little difference to NSW. e.g. vax mandates gets the headlines and violent responses in Vic but the same thing in NSW gets a free pass.

      • Fair point. Its the personality of Andrews that s tipped me. I reckon if he had an Army he would be dangerous (to his own people).
        He and Bill Shorten are the type that equate people who disagree with them as “Neo Nazi’s” so I extend that line of thinking fairly or unfailrly to the whole Labor party the Greens .and left independents. What I have seen of McGowan and Palachook makes me cringe its like the small town mayors are having their 15 minutes and its gone to their heads. That guy from the Territory though takes the cake. He is creaming himself at the moment. No attention for him whatsoever and now his moment has come and boy his hands are never out of his pants. It shows the destitution of Australia and the politicians it elects but I guess the LNP in my opinion are slightly less bad.

      • That bogus “inquiry” was the worst piece of political chicanery I have seen. 800 people died from a “creeping assumption” because no one made the decision ….. It had nothing to do with Dan’s industrial manslaughter laws that had the person in charge liable for 25 years. The commissioner was renown for never doing anything unkind to anyone. No power to subpoena. The most limp wristed cross-examination I have ever seen. A total white wash together with a fall girl. Never has human life meant so little.

    • no chance in hell I would vote labour

      No matter how bad Liberal becomes there is no reason in hell to vote Labor. Simply put them last or 2nd last on your ballot paper and give the other bottom slot (2nd last or last) to Liberal. That’s the way I always vote.

      • I think I will be voting for a Party that preferences Labour Lib and Greens last. Hopefully they put the Aussie Cossack up as a Senate candidate as he seems to be associated with them. The Cossack vs Jacqui Lambie in the senate would be worth buying tickets too.

    • Anders Andersen

      “totalitarian” lololololol you wouldn’t know what that was. Where were you when all the anti terrorism laws came in, allowing the state to run secret trials, reclassifying what a state secret is. We’ve been losing our democracy for decades and cv is a non event.

      I suggest you open your eyes to the real threat of gov and it’s nothing to do with the pandemic, you’ve been watching too much American tv.

      • https://www.rt.com/news/499668-australia-pregnant-woman-arrested-lockdown/
        Fascism looks like this. This is supposedly enforcing the Chief Health officers direction, not a breach of the Parliament’s law. There is no power to handcuff her. There is no reason why she should not merely be served with a summons. Ironically the Russians (RT) show you what fascism looks like.

        This is the common law from Sir William Deane. It used to apply in Victoria.
        “Arrest is the deprivation of freedom. The ultimate instrument of arrest is force. The customary companions of arrest are ignominy and fear. A police power of arbitrary arrest is a negation of any true right to personal liberty. A police practice of arbitrary arrest is a hallmark of tyranny. It is plainly of critical importance to the existence and protection of personal liberty under the law that the circumstances in which a police officer may, without judicial warrant, arrest or detain an individual should be strictly confined, plainly stated and readily ascertainable. ”

        The optics are not good.

        https://youtu.be/I1jGKsIAT9w

        The rural signs do not direct you to Melbourne but to East Berlin.

        • And you claim you’re a lawyer, well you certainly must be practicing commercial law or similar and, I might add, had your head up your @rse. Police abuse of power is nothing new, been happening on a daily basis and where have you been demonstrating your outrage, but because this is over your [email protected] RW libertarian [email protected], you’re outraged.

  9. Totes BeWokeMEMBER

    I’ve never considered LNP anything but a party for the well off, and business.

    They’d go too far, then we’d vote Labor into power. And vice versa. Repeat and repeat again.

    LNP haven’t changed. They now just don’t have any opposition we’re happy to vote for.

    Immigration is all LNP need to get everything they want.

    It’s obvious who is to blame, and it’s not the lions eating Bambi.

    • yeah we get it f–ko! preaching to the choir mate.
      can you form the “Tote’s Socialist” party?
      – “keep the champagne bastards honest?”

  10. Mr SquiggleMEMBER

    Immigration is all the LNP need to get what they want.

    Agreed. As long as the ALP support mass migration, they normalise and empower the LNP

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      Yep. It’s time the bolted-on remnant dumb Labor voters acknowledged what Labor are doing to us.

      The party needs to be destroyed, not handed government. Only then will we get opposition to big Australia.

  11. The desk masturbating is really a non-issue here. It’s a crass homo-blokey thing in which all involved were willing participants in private acts, albeit someone else’s desk. Disgusting and I wouldn’t want this on my desk but no harm especially if none the wiser. The real story in this is the revenge-pron aspect that brought the issue to light. That is much, much worse but very little to do with party politics.

  12. The liberal party as a broadbased political party is gone.
    Its membership is either dead, has departed, or is a bunch of hard right lunitics.
    The Liberal party is now no more than a plaything of business interests and far right religeous organisations.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      An active rank and file could change that.
      Unfortunately the vast majority of Australians don’t give a fk if some personal effort and action is required.

      • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

        I just don’t believe it Ermo.

        Look at unions. As rank and file as it gets. Yet, defying what the members want, unions support mass immigration.

        Could you walk me through how a rank and file movement could shift Labor’s direction. And if it can be done, how could you stop them countering it by stacking?

        IMO, the only chance we get to have our say is at the voting booth, and we’ve been doing that.

        There is clearly so much money backing big Australia, there’s only one way to fight it. Take Labor MPs jobs.

      • kierans777MEMBER

        @Ermo

        Totes does have a valid point – Yet, defying what the members want, unions support mass immigration.

        Given ~70% of Aussies don’t want mass immigration, we can extrapolate that to the union movement. Does your average union member not support mass immigration and is their leadership listening?

        I think the unions do need to get off their backside a bit and stop whinging about “loss of bargaining power” when mass immigration is a weapon that enables business and the government to ignore what unions want.

        I think everyone should join a party and get involved in democracy. However even I have felt the pressure of talking about population policy, and mass immigration when the view that “if a white guy talks about immigration he’s a racist” is firmly entrenched into people’s psyches.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          ” “if a white guy talks about immigration he’s a racist” is firmly entrenched into people’s psyches”

          The most clever strategy the elites have ever come up with.

    • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

      It takes more than a generation to forget the events of Gillard and Rudd.

      Especially when Plibersek puts her views in the media and reminds us why we keep voting against them.

      Plibersek etal run better anti Labor campaigns than LNP ever could.

        • Totes BeWokeMEMBER

          She is the epitome of everything wrong with the modern Labor party.

          She’s the reason I stopped watching QandA.

          It’s a big laugh when people say she’s the answer. Hilarious

    • No, the ALP has now joined the ranks of the Swastika and Feminism.

      While once having benign roots, is now considered too toxic to be redeemed.

      It too must be obliterated, the most value it can now have for society is as a warning.

  13. “The Liberal Party of Australia was once a great institution. It protected solid centrist values, individualism and markets. It has long been a bastion of small business and middle classes.”

    Where does this nonsense come from?.

    Just look at the chronology of policy, however I will first quote a long lost American commenting on Australian politics in the 1940’s….

    “Despite being full of grubs, liars, conmen and all round self-interest the ALP is the only party which has fought for social justice in Australia.”

    That is true, look at all the meaningful acts of legislation ever introduced into the country. The ones that define us and differentiate us for the better, and are enduring. At the federal level, there are 100% ALP policies.

    That sad part is that the ALP are the above stated grubs, liars, conmen and all sorts of people not worthy of being in power, around 80% of the time the ALP caucus is unfit to govern, which probably reflects how much time they’ve had in power since 1949.

    Why is that important….because the ALP define the Liberal Party. They are the opposite of the ALP, and they fight for nothing, and have no policies of merit in the entirety of their existence.

    They are the middling, mediocre, eternal caretaker government that can’t do anything, and watch over a gentle degradation of Australia. Their purpose is to warm up some parliamentary seats while the ALP is unfit to govern.

    All we can ever hope for is the ALP sorts itself out quicker rather than later…

    So the Liberals are at their lowest right now.

    The sad part is, they are still more deserving to be in government than the ALP.

    As I pointed out here at the last election, there are some seat anomalies in Tasmania and NT…. but outside of that…. the ALP has no traction outside of inner city Sydney and Melbourne. Just look at the electoral map

    At the last election, they did nothing but devise policies which attacked the productive, to enhance the privilege of the unproductive.

    • And that sums it all up nicely. Labor will not rule again in there own right until the Hawke/Keating worshipping ends.
      Until I heard the ALP talk about Fisher/Curtin and Chifley governments in the public Square, the Libs will always be odds on to form government

      • The thing is they’re not Hawke/Keating.

        You have to remember alongside those 2 were Button, Hayden, Howe, Jones, Kerin and Morris from the start.

        The ALP pretty much rejected this all in after 1996, leaving it to rot with the like of Gareth Evans, which resulted in the likes of Rudd and Swan coming in as new blood in 1998.

        They do need a Fisher-Chifley infusion, but this line here form Hawke reflects the “wrong” ALP type of thinking….

        “To appreciate the scale of these changes, let us look at the Browns, a hypothetical family. Mr Brown works for a low wage, Mrs Brown looks after two children, and they rent their home. In late 1982 the Browns received just under $13 a week in family allowance – about $25 per week in 1995–96 dollars. In contrast, in January 1996 a family like the Browns would receive $93.10 in family payment and up to $40 a week in rent assistance. You put this in perspective; such a family would have received assistance worth about 4 per cent of average weekly ordinary time earnings in November 1982, but 20 per cent of such earnings in early 1996. We are thus talking about very major changes in the amount of assistance available to low-income working families with children.”

        The ALP thinks it’s all about transfer payments, in fact they ensure it’s a structurally permanent feature, because welfare dependents will vote the ALP.

        The answer is ensure the Brown’s have enough money they don’t need welfare at all. That comes about with low land prices and higher wage share.

    • kierans777MEMBER

      At the last election, they did nothing but devise policies which attacked the productive, to enhance the privilege of the unproductive.

      Are you talking about the LNP or ALP. The “they” is ambiguous.

      • The ALP’s entire policy suite was a war on productive people, to aid the unproductive.

        That is why they lost the entire country outside of inner city Sydney and Melbourne, the denizens of welfare receiving immigrant ingrates and sinecured elites sucking on the government teat.

        MB fruitbatted particularly on QLD costing the ALP the election, when the reality is QLD relies more on being productive, and places like Western Sydney and Western Melbourne have more in common with QLD than they do with their respective inner cities.

        • kierans777MEMBER

          Can you please list some policies that was a war on the unproductive.

          – Cash rebate for franking credits – privilege of the unproductive
          – Capital gains tax discount – privilege of the unproductive as well as market distorting
          – Negative gearing – privilege of the unproductive (unless new housing) as well as market distorting.
          – Wanting to manufacture EVs – productive

          It seems like the ALP in 2019 wanted to get rid of unproductive, rent seeking policies.

          The reason the ALP lost in 2019 was because the media shilled hard for the LNP (~80% of all coverage as anti Labor) coupled with a few own goals and a leader that wasn’t particularly popular.

          • kierans777MEMBER

            Coupled with the media shilling was a LNP scare campaign that was mostly bollocks yet the media repeated it as fact.

          • “The reason the ALP lost in 2019 was because the media shilled hard for the LNP”

            So straight away you turn into tantrum mode….. well done. If you are a rusted on ALP stan, and think this was all about the media, then congrats, you and people like you will ensure the ALP will never change.

            However, and I do think I am wasting my energy because no amount of information will change the mind of an ideologue, but in response;

            “– Cash rebate for franking credits – privilege of the unproductive”

            No, this is an equalisation around marginal tax rates and imputation. If a person’s marginal tax rate on assessable income is 0%, then they shouldn’t be paying any tax, that’s why they get a refund.

            In and of itself it does have merits, amongst the rest which I will get to if was just seen by the electorate as part of a wider, wanton cash grab. It is also interpreted as “the ALP wants more of my money, it’s going to go to losers, and I’m not going to get anything in return”

            “– Capital gains tax discount – privilege of the unproductive as well as market distorting”

            No, this is an expression from someone who only sees this through an investment property lens, which has more to do with land policies and immigration. Fix these 2, and the “extraordinary capital gain over property problem” goes away.

            But capital gains viewed from a productive person, namely business capital, and it’s a huge issue. It is also interpreted as “the ALP wants more of my money, it’s going to go to losers, and I’m not going to get anything in return”

            – Negative gearing – privilege of the unproductive (unless new housing) as well as market distorting.

            Um no, negative gearing is a principal that the cost of capital is a permitted offset to the income of an income producing asset. You can negative gear shares if you want to, and is a feature often needed for people who create businesses.

            If you isolate this to an investment property lens (i.e. you’re stupid) it make sense. However, property with it’s pricing should not be operating as an income deficit asset, and the issues at player here are namely around supply. We had simialr rates of immigration in the 1950’s, the post war boom, and we had land policies that meant property prices didn’t reflect so badly.

            Again, this one is isolation does have some merits, but combined with every other policy, it is also interpreted as “the ALP wants more of my money, it’s going to go to losers, and I’m not going to get anything in return”

            – Wanting to manufacture EVs – productive

            Derp…. manufacturing ANYTHING is productive, and to think this is the ALP’s vision as the cornerstone of Australian Industry.. well you may as well vote Greens…

            However, when many look back at other ALP policies of…

            Reducing NCC limits to super
            Taxing 30% at the point of discretionary trust distributions
            Capping deductions for tax agent work
            Imposing a ‘temporary’ levy for budget repair
            Reverse previously assigned tax cuts in 2022 and 2024

            This so clearly presents itself as a wanton, and unrestrained cash grab off people who produce incomes. It shows there is no constraint on the spending side, not even a motion to say ‘if we need to get and income and expenditure aligned better, we may need to cut stuff”…

            It’s just the ALP looking at income producers in their sights and saying “we’re coming for more”.

            Now, when we look at what the ALP is gesturing for the need to preserve current spending, and adding to the MOAR!#! spending, what were their cornerstone policies…

            Return to demand drive university funding (i.e., useless people accessing government coffers to spend ion frivolous crap)
            $10 billion for a Clean Energy Finance Corporation
            Infrastructure promises of (think how this is perceived by productive people in regional and rural areas, and outer suburban people who don’t go into the city)
            – $11bil for a sunbury to pakenham rail line
            – $2bil for a Melbourne metro tunnel
            – $10bil for a Melbourne Metro rail loop
            – $5 bil for a Melbourne airport rail link
            – $1 bil to quarantine land for the potential for a fast train from Brisbane to Sydney
            – $6 bil for Sydney rail projects
            – $2bil for Brisbane cross river rail project
            – $3 billion for South Road upgrade in Adelaide

            – (people thinking “this is what we need the money for ???”)

            And the fluff the ALP made about the Uluru statement and enshrining whatever indigenous in the constitution…..

            It was a declaration of war on productive people for the unproductive, and as I’ve said… look at the map of seats…

            Outside of the NT, and most of Tasmania.. the ALP is a rump of
            Inner city seats in Melbourne, Sydney, some rusted on areas in Geelong and Newcastle and the sinecured in Canberra.

          • “Well said. It’s crazy how entitled “productive” people feel within the LNP”

            Whoosh….

            It isn’t the LNP rusted-on’s at player here. Iit’s the swinging middle, the ones that decide the election.

            The ALP got its lowest ever primary vote in 2019, all they captured was their own rusted ons.

            The ENTIRE winging voter looked for someone…anyone… else than the ALP. As much on the nose as the Libs were, the electorate decided the ALP, the party that only won 1 of the previous 9 elections outright, is still a worse option than the Libs.

            if you think it’s a feature of the media getting the libs over the line, or you need to sneer even more at the the bulk of Australia for failing to recognise the virtue of ALP policies, then the only advice I can give is get used to being in opposition most of the time.

          • kierans777MEMBER

            @RustyPenny

            So straight away you turn into tantrum mode….. well done. If you are a rusted on ALP stan, and think this was all about the media, then congrats, you and people like you will ensure the ALP will never change.

            Nope, not rusted on. I just recognise the sycophantic, symbiotic nature of LNP controlled media interests and the LNP.

            No, this is an equalisation around marginal tax rates and imputation. If a person’s marginal tax rate on assessable income is 0%, then they shouldn’t be paying any tax, that’s why they get a refund.

            This is up there with Tim Wilson level of obfuscation and misdirection. If a person’s marginal tax rate on assessable income is 0% guess what – they aren’t paying any tax. What they shouldn’t be entitled to is a refund of company tax paid before profits/dividends are distributed. People aren’t companies, and we shouldn’t have “negative income tax”. Personally I think the easiest solution to this problem is to abolish franking credits entirely and simply leave dividend income as non taxable. Problem solved.

            But capital gains viewed from a productive person, namely business capital, and it’s a huge issue.

            <sarcasm> Oh noes I business people might actually have to some extra tax on flipping assets. </sarcasm>

            Cry me a river on this one.

            Um no, negative gearing is a principal that the cost of capital is a permitted offset to the income of an income producing asset.

            Um, no. The taxpayer should not offset your losses as an investor.

            You can negative gear shares if you want to

            We should get right of that too.

            and is a feature often needed for people who create businesses.

            Having started two companies, I don’t buy that argument at all.

            Reducing NCC limits to super – Good. Super has become a tax avoidance and inheritance vehicle and needs massive reform.
            Taxing 30% at the point of discretionary trust distributions – 30% – won’t someone please think of the children!!!
            Capping deductions for tax agent work – Not sure why that’s bad
            Imposing a ‘temporary’ levy for budget repair – Didn’t the Liberals do this as well?
            Reverse previously assigned tax cuts in 2022 and 2024 – Flat tax structures are inherently inequitable

            This so clearly presents itself as a wanton, and unrestrained cash grab off people who produce incomes.

            No, it is about removing the proliferate, unsustainable tax concessions to a small section of society. When Tones et al used to cry about a “debt” problem what they refused to admit is that we have a revenue problem. This “tax cuts fix everything” idea of the Liberals simply just doesn’t work. Yet when Labor wanted to put in structural, sustainable budget repair we get the “Bill you can’t afford” scare campign, instead of talking about how the Liberals are actually impoverishing everyone except a select section of society.

            You sir are of the “let them eat cake” part of society, so to paraphrase Nick Haneur – enjoy the revolution.

          • kierans777MEMBER

            @RustyPenny

            The ENTIRE winging voter looked for someone…anyone… else than the ALP. As much on the nose as the Libs were, the electorate decided the ALP, the party that only won 1 of the previous 9 elections outright, is still a worse option than the Libs.

            if you think it’s a feature of the media getting the libs over the line, or you need to sneer even more at the the bulk of Australia for failing to recognise the virtue of ALP policies, then the only advice I can give is get used to being in opposition most of the time.

            You make the election win larger than it was. Scotty scrapped over the line with a few hundred votes here and there. Yes the electorate didn’t vote for Labor as convincingly as the pollsters believed. But when people are fed a steady, unrelenting diet of anti-ALP nonsense in newspapers, TV, and radio – shock horror – they might actually believe it.

          • “Nope, not rusted on. I just recognise the sycophantic, symbiotic nature of LNP controlled media interests and the LNP.”

            Recognise…. RECOGNISE….

            The term you’re looking for is called ‘false attribution’.

            No, this is an equalisation around marginal tax rates and imputation. If a person’s marginal tax rate on assessable income is 0%, then they shouldn’t be paying any tax, that’s why they get a refund.

            This is up there with Tim Wilson level of obfuscation and misdirection. If a person’s marginal tax rate on assessable income is 0% guess what – they aren’t paying any tax. What they shouldn’t be entitled to is a refund of company tax paid before ”

            Well there’s that… or there’s a concept I know how tax works, and you’re parroting idiotic slogans. Our tax code says they should….that’s what imputation says.

            The dividend is not the company’s money, it’s the shareholders money. If you receive a Dividend of $70, you as the shareholder are assumed to have made an income of $100, with you pre-paying a tax of $30.

            When you’re reconciling your total tax on assessable income, and it’s found the $30 you’ve paid is too much tax, you get a refund If you’re MTR is 0%, you get the entire $30 refunded.

            That is how tax works.

            “profits/dividends are distributed. People aren’t companies, and we shouldn’t have “negative income tax”.”

            We don’t, but we do have a 0% tax rate, either by too low an income, or the income being non-assessable. Thus, ff you have paid tax when you shouldn’t, you get your previous tax remittances refunded.

            “Personally I think the easiest solution to this problem is to abolish franking credits entirely and simply leave dividend income as non taxable. Problem solved.”

            Well I’d rather an intelligent policy.

            But capital gains viewed from a productive person, namely business capital, and it’s a huge issue.
            Oh noes I business people might actually have to some extra tax on flipping assets. ”

            Cry me a river on this one.”

            OK, tell me your understanding of running a small business….

            But please… PLEASE, more than anything, have Penny Wong or Tanya Plibersek look down a camera and say those exact same words.

            If a person doesn’t understand the efforts and sacrifices 95% of business owners make to build a business, that person has no business whatsoever deciding how capital gains should be taxed.

            And in part, that’s the way the electorate voted in 2019, and why the ALP is still proving to not be viable for governing,.

            Um no, negative gearing is a principal that the cost of capital is a permitted offset to the income of an income producing asset.

            Um, no. The taxpayer should not offset your losses as an investor.”

            It’s a principle in all forms of business. If you incur a cost of capital, it is deducted against income,. This extends much, much further than investment properties.

            “You can negative gear shares if you want to”

            We should get right of that too.”

            Why? The government needs more money?

            <"and is a feature often needed for people who create businesses.

            Having started two companies, I don’t buy that argument at all.”

            No, no you haven’t.
            It’s clear you haven’t startted a (successful) business and you’re lying.

            “Reducing NCC limits to super – Good. Super has become a tax avoidance and inheritance vehicle and needs massive reform.”

            No a point I said was 1) the electorate’s perception – namely every singlee ALP polcuy is a cash grab.. I also made mention about Sneering at the puntereriat because they don’t recognise your exceptionalism.. but you do you.

            The government doesn’t have a revenue problem, the tax payer does have a “I’m not keeping enough of my money problem”, and to go to the well for more is a problem.. for ALP electoral chances anyway.

            “Taxing 30% at the point of discretionary trust distributions – 30% – won’t someone please think of the children!!!”

            As I said, it’s clear you’ve never run a business.

            “Capping deductions for tax agent work – Not sure why that’s bad”

            By now, I’m not surprised.

            “Imposing a ‘temporary’ levy for budget repair – Didn’t the Liberals do this as well?”

            Again, what is it about “Not in isolation, but when every policy is a cash grab” do you fail to understand.
            I mean in that campaign, when the ALP thought they were clever with these policies… every 3rd day as they were released was the punter going “you’re taking more money off me?”

            When that sentiment is dropped day after day after day on the campaign trail, it sort of hurts you’re electoral chances.

            As we are talking is pass tense… it did!

            “Reverse previously assigned tax cuts in 2022 and 2024 – Flat tax structures are inherently inequitable”

            And? Either is running in a straight line over a 100m at the Olympics.
            This type of inequitable outcomes is a good, is a desired outcome.

            This so clearly presents itself as a wanton, and unrestrained cash grab off people who produce incomes.

            No, it is about removing the proliferate, unsustainable tax concessions to a small section of society.

            LULZ, 68% voting against the ALP indicates not as small as you think..

            “When Tones et al used to cry about a “debt” problem what they refused to admit is that we have a revenue problem. This “tax cuts fix everything” idea of the Liberals simply just doesn’t work. Yet when Labor wanted to put in structural, sustainable budget repair we get the “Bill you can’t afford” scare campign, instead of talking about how the Liberals are actually impoverishing everyone except a select section of society.”

            No, that’s not it at all.

            Come up with the right answer.

            You sir are of the “let them eat cake” part of society, so to paraphrase Nick Haneur – enjoy the revolution.”

            LULZ, I am more Chifley-ALP than anyone here.

          • “You make the election win larger than it was. Scotty scrapped over the line with a few hundred votes here and there. Yes the electorate didn’t vote for Labor as convincingly as the pollsters believed. But when people are fed a steady, unrelenting diet of anti-ALP nonsense in newspapers, TV, and radio – shock horror – they might actually believe it.”

            I don’t make it “bigger”, in fact I’ve inferred the reverse.

            The electorate didn’t want to vote the Libs, but what electorate did do was look at the ALP and say ..

            “No, not you”

            The primary votes reflect this.

            As pitiful and repugnant as the libs were, the ALP demonstrated themselves to be worse.

          • kierans777MEMBER

            @RustyPenny

            If a person doesn’t understand the efforts and sacrifices 95% of business owners make to build a business, that person has no business whatsoever deciding how capital gains should be taxed.

            Ah the old, “I did it by my own sweat, blood, tears and efforts”. Not recognising that you built your business(es) upon the backbone of what society has given you, and that we all have an obligation to contribute back to our society.

            No, no you haven’t.
            It’s clear you haven’t startted a (successful) business and you’re lying.

            So because I disagree with you, I’m lying. You are the embodiment of the “no true Scottsman” fallacy.

            I’m not going to bother addressing any of the other points because

            (1) they’re badly formatted and I don’t have time to decipher it all.
            (2) you’ve demonstrated that you’re not willing to be challenged outside your own thinking.

          • “Ah the old, “I did it by my own sweat, blood, tears and efforts”. Not recognising that you built your business(es) upon the backbone of what society has given you, and that we all have an obligation to contribute back to our society.”

            No, I recognise it.

            What I am saying is that 30% of all corporate profits is giving enough.
            I’m also saying that contributing 26.56% of your income up to $120,000 and 39% or more after this is giving enough.
            I’m saying a 10% levy on most items your purchase is giving enough.
            I’m saying what is residual is entitled to be maintained by the deriver of that income,

            No, no you haven’t.
            It’s clear you haven’t started a (successful) business and you’re lying.

            So because I disagree with you, I’m lying. You are the embodiment of the “no true Scottsman” fallacy.”
            ….
            No, not because you disagree with me I accuse you of lying. Many disagree with me.
            It because you clearly do not know aspects of business, you miss the most rudimentary aspect of business that you’re making the previous assertions up. That’s why you’re a liar.

            (2) you’ve demonstrated that you’re not willing to be challenged outside your own thinking.

            Lulz… the guy accusing the last federal election result being a ‘result of the media’, and nothing to do with the ALP policy suite… accusing the counter party of “not listening to outside thinking”

            Cute.

        • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

          “The ALP’s entire policy suite was a war on productive people, to aid the unproductive.”

          That old schtick has been getting rolled out for over a century!
          Yawn.

          • RP’s a succesful FP living in Kwinana and takes his wife to the Kwinana Hub Shopping Centre Chinese takeaway.

          • RP’s a successful FP living in Kwinana and takes his wife to the Kwinana Hub Shopping Centre Chinese takeaway.

  14. David WilsonMEMBER

    More lefty drivel David willingly supported by Turncoat Turnbull and his thinly disguised attacks on the government and SCOMO .
    Turnbull should be shunted from the Liberal Party and clearly identified as a green lefty that can’t get over his own inept leadership resulting in being sacked by his own mps.

    • Lefty righty – as a swing voter that has alternated between Lab/Lib in the past I agree with most of what is being said. Best hope is that independents hold the balance of power but if it is Lab outright or Lab/Greens for the next 3 years so be it.

      The level of corruption and bushfire/covid incompetence needs to be punished severely. My baseball bat is out and Libs going dead last – the only question is what order the others are going.

      • Same here. Can’t wait to come up against those numtpies handing out those how to vote cards also.

    • rob barrattMEMBER

      Turnbull is not even questioned over one of the most idiotic military decisions ever made. To sign off on a contract to deliver diesel powered submarines to defend Australia was the work of either an idiot or a person blinded by his sense of self importance. Turnbull was very close to Macron but that was absolutely no excuse for disempowering Australia’s navy in one blow.
      For the uinitiated, a diesel powered submarine has no significant advantages over a nuclear powered sub and some enormous disadvantages where they would have to operate in the Pacific arena. Do you seriously think they could be followed around by a fuel tanker everywhere they went?
      Absolute lunacy.
      Oh, and one other consideration. Do you think Harry Truman would have ordered the dropping of an atomic bomb on Japan if he knew the Japanese had a bomb themselves which they could deliver in retaliation? What do you think Biden (or most US presidents) would do if the (enter nation name here) were to drop a nuke somewhere way West of Brisbane and then state that, unless Aus surrendered, the next one would be on a city. Do you think for one instant the Yanks would risk it all??? And if you don’t think any dictator would be megalomaniac enough, remember it was Adolf who declared war on the US not the other way round. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  15. Good to see that masturbation got a headline role in that list. Masturbating on the desks of female parliamentarians is what defines the current LNP, at least in my eyes.