Vaccination dramatically lowers COVID cases, hospitalisations and deaths

Fairfax has compiled interesting data from NSW illustrating how COVID vaccines have dramatically helped to lower COVID cases, hospitalisations and deaths:

According to the most recent data from NSW Health’s COVID-19 surveillance report, more than 10 per cent of new cases in the week ending October 2 were fully vaccinated.

Despite rising vaccination coverage among cases and the general population – on October 2, about 66 per cent of NSW residents aged 16 and over were double-dosed – the proportion of people in hospital with COVID-19 who were fully vaccinated was only 5.2 per cent.

At least two-thirds of hospitalised cases had received no effective dose (either a first dose within three weeks of infection or no vaccine at all) and the vaccination status of one in five cases was still under investigation…

In recent weeks, children aged zero to nine, currently ineligible for the vaccine, have been the age group most likely to contract COVID-19.

However, over the course of the outbreak, only 5 per cent of cases aged under 10 have been hospitalised, often for caregiving reasons, compared to about one in five cases in their 40s and one in four in their 50s.

The next chart showing data from NSW Surveillance Reports shows similar results:

Similar results apply to Victoria:

This is why I am not concerned about Melbourne reopening with over 2200 daily cases given 70% of Victorian over-16s are now fully vaccinated.

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    • RanganutsMEMBER

      Peter McCullough has been a voice of reason during all of this, I’ve been following him for some time. Same as Robert Malone and some of the others at this:

      https://www.theprimod.com/post/every-australian-must-watch-covid-conversation-this-destroys-the-narrative
      (Good 45 minute watch).

      I can’t believe everyone is now running and getting their kids jabbed. No medium to long term studies on what these jabs will do and the risk of an adverse event, (such as Myocarditis which is serious), is far higher than the risk of a child dying from Covid.

      There really is a mass psychosis going on.

      • Anders Andersen

        Voice of reason my @rse!

        So why am I addressing this topic again? Simple. It’s a narrative that hasn’t gone away. Worse, it’s grown in the three months since I last wrote about it. At the extreme end of the antivax hysteria is, as one might expect, Mike Adams at NaturalNews.com proclaiming, “VACCINE HOLOCAUST now accelerating: VAERS data show nearly 4,000% increase in vaccine deaths in 2021 (so far) vs. the entire year of 2020“. (I’ll give Adams credit for understanding that the word “data” is plural.) Another example of this particular antivaccine messaging comes from a recent article in The Liberty Sentinel, “COVID vaccines killing huge numbers, warns leading doctor“. The doctor is someone I hadn’t actually heard of before, Dr. Peter McCullough. On the more “reasonable” end of this narrative (in actuality, “reasonable”-seeming from an antivaccine activist who tries his best to deny that he’s antivaccine and portray himself ), there’s Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s “freelance reporter” Megan Redshaw proclaiming on his antivaccine “news” site The Defender, “Reported Vaccine Injuries Continue to Climb, Pfizer Seeks Full Approval for COVID Vaccine“.

        https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-covid-19-vaccine-holocaust-the-latest-antivaccine-messaging/

        The usual Dunnig-Kruger crowd are not and about.

        • This post is troll and freedumb bait.
          edit I mean Leith’s post is good but some of the commentary …

        • COVID vaccines killing huge numbers, warns leading doctor

          If what you post is true Anders, I think it will be impossible to cover this up for long. The statistics will show vastly increase deaths from clotting, strokes, heart attacks, etc.

          Has there been an increase in such deaths since the jabbing started?

          • Reus's large MEMBER

            Yes excluding covid, deaths are running higher than usual but being reported as “mysterious” deaths, and I am sure being obfuscated by doctors being under threat of loosing their licenses if they report them as vaccine deaths.

            To be taken with a bucket of salt as the docs are under no illusion as to the wrath of “let’s go Brandon” and his mandates that could cost them a lot if they reported accurately

            The most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) released October 8 reports 778,683 adverse events in the U.S. following COVID vaccination, including 16,310 reports of deaths and 75,605 reports of hospitalizations, between December 14, 2020, and October 1.

          • kiwikarynMEMBER

            Yes. A 25% increase in heart attacks in Scotland over the last 3 months, a 10% increase in excess non-covid deaths in Germany and the Netherlands, also linked to heart attacks.

  1. The risk isn’t what happens now when we open up, its what happens in 3-4mths when the reduction in effectiveness to reduce transmission occurs. I see no issues for myself getting COVID and using that as my booster at the end of summer.

    ‘Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus.’

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

      • If we have to do that on an ongoing basis it will be much harder to get it done for a number of reasons.

        – Its easier when you are trading freedoms for jabs. Once everything is open this is harder. I’m sure many people only got it being coerced by workplaces or tempted via freedoms. I’m wary to interpret our high vaccination rates as total acceptance, since for many people it was optional only “in name only” with significant penalties to their current lifestyle if they didn’t.

        – Some people do have significant reactions to this. Personally I’ve seen/talked to three people thus far that have had this (anaphylaxis, convulsing, etc). Repeated doses may increase this risk.

        – We don’t yet have the data on boosters (I’m hoping it is positive). If it doesn’t work as expected?

        – Variants are still a risk, and if not sufficiently covered by supply it will cause another lockdown. Open borders exasperates this risk; mutations while they occur are less likely on a smaller city scale than one being selected from a worldwide population.

        My preference is we use the time we are jabbed to get the cases down. I don’t like personally what “living with COVID” is looking like thus far based on overseas data.

        • kiwikarynMEMBER

          They will just do what Israel has done, declare everyone who was double jabbed as “unvaccinated” and demand a “current” vaccination (jabbed within the last 6 months) in order to be able to go anywhere.

        • Mike Herman TroutMEMBER

          I spoke to someone today who rushed through their second moderna shot. So, two and a half weeks since the first in order to be “fully vaccinated”. I think you are spot on with the trading for freedom idea…

          • kiwikarynMEMBER

            I know of someone who got quadrupled vaccinated in order to get the “correct” vaccine documents for travel.

      • RanganutsMEMBER

        Big deal? Again no long term studies. Look at that video I linked earlier. With boosters, more is not necessarily better! The immune system is exceedingly complex and there is this thing called, ‘high zone tolerance,’ where the effectiveness wanes over time. Or worse yet, boosters can actually make you more able to be infected in the future… even to the point of ADE, (antibody dependant enhancement), where your own immune system actually enhances the pathogen.

        I see they are now saying, ‘Oh you got Astra before… you can get a Moderna or Pfizer as a booster!’ Where are the studies with regards to those different product interacting with each other? They are literally making it up as they go along. This is why vaccines take 10+ years to develop normally, you need to test for all these outcomes.

        Hey, I have no problem with getting vaccinated. Everyone has a right to run their own race and make a choice with regards to what they want to do with their own body. This mandating business is just not on though. It is a very slippery slope.

        • Ranga you know enough to be dangerous and nothing more. AZ usage for boosters is a known issue with using carrier viruses. Nothing new to see here, and what makes the mRNA approach a far better one.

          ADE is the reason AZ was developed the way it was. Likewise the knowledge used in choosing what proteins to work on and what are to be avoided are based on avoiding ADE. Computer modelling has got better in the last 50 years and its easy to trial when your in a pandemic

          We stand on the shoulder of giants.

          • You seem knowledgeable on the vaccine front. What is your opinion on the novavax one which is meant to be arriving next month? Also, if you were mid 30s would you go AZ or Pfizer?

            Wondering if I should hold out for novavax if numbers continue to go down in my state.

          • not really, just tried to work out the lay of the land, sorry I literally know nothing about Novavax. I’d be choosing Moderna over anything else at this stage but given where we in terms of risk the mRNA vax you can get tomorrow is the one I’d choose. just an opinion..

      • The data still doesn’t seem to be very conclusive on whether boosters do anything meaningful beyond increasing the window of transmission reduction. Getting COVID post vaccination could very well have a similar effect but that isn’t clear yet either. I happily got vaxxed but I not convinced I need a booster at this stage and I expect I’m not alone in this thinking.

      • So just the whole of humanity having to take a 6 monthly shot, for the next 500 years. Big deal huh?
        When the alternative would have been protecting the elderly and people with comorbidities and letting everyone else build up natural and longer lasting immunity with the virus dying out?

        Yup. Keep walking along the grief timeline, and we’ll eventually get to acceptance.

        • The alternative really is extending people’s holidays with a remote cabin for 14 days when they come in – that’s it. No need to accept deaths or boosters every 6 months.

          Nothing special, nothing radical. We have lots of remote coast line – could even allow controlled access to beach walks, internet access, etc for people who can work remotely to have a minimal impact.

          Of course this upsets the vested interests that are suddenly on all mainstream sites arguing for more immigration (there never is an argument for anything less). The comments on those pro-immigration articles are always majority negatives so people I think aren’t totally falling for it anymore – but they lack any power to actually change it. That’s the real reason we are being denied this easy choice I think (see https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/migration-rethink-hike-on-the-cards-for-post-pandemic-recovery-20211019-p5916r.html – 500 comments mostly negative).

          It doesn’t matter though. They’ve already made up their minds. The “new normal” allows that model to continue against the voting public’s interests.

      • Another way of saying that 80% of people who died from covid were vaccinated is that 20% of people who died were unvaccinated. Given roughly 8% of the UK population remains unvaccinated that suggests that vaccines are working well to prevent people who catch covid from dying.

        • My concern is while they are working, even with those numbers, the death numbers are still quite high (e.g. relative to the flu where few people get the shot). In relative terms they are working fine, but in absolute terms its still not great.

          COVID Delta is just a more deadly disease I guess. Reductions are good, but if it doesn’t reduce hospitalisations, severe sickness and death enough still not a great outcome. We lost the COVID battle; especially in Australia when Gladys let it in – this and other consequences will only be apparent in the years to come.

          Every day I just see more and more data internally and externally telling me the “new normal” isn’t as great as the “old normal”. I can understand WA, NT’s position on this really – who would open themselves up to COVID (without incoming quarantine) unless you have to?

          • If you’re saying the ‘new normal’ objectively sucks and the covid-zero interregnum we had in Australia in the first half of this year roughly was a heap better than where we’re going next, I find it hard to disagree. If I lived in WA I wouldn’t want state or international borders open. I still don’t want international borders open for non-quarantined travel.

    • 95% effectiveness, can’t catch it, can’t pass it on. Somehow changed to reduces your chance of dying a bit, we think. No biggie.
      And didn’t these things need to be at minus 60 Celsius or something. Why did that stop being a problem?

      • No, I mean the fact that apparently 1 in 5 covid sufferers have an unknown vaccination status.

        • Jason you are probably one of the most clear, concise and uncontroversial posters on this site. The responses to your simple yet important observation show that many MB posters have simply lost the plot. It’s brain diarrhea in response.

      • Reus's large MEMBER

        “reduces your chances of dying a bit” from a virus that if you are under 80 and are not already sick, you have a very low chance of dying from in the first place.

        Seems legit reason to pump a experimental treatment with unknown long terms effects into your body, they may as well give you a free baggie of ice when you get it, the ice is probably safer.

      • They said about a year or even longer ago that it no longer needed to be stored at -60, just in a normal freezer (or was it a fridge?) for a day or two. However I would think this would reduce effectiveness to some degree, but never seen figures. Might be the reason for what seems quite a high % of fully vaxed dying etc

        • Jumping jack flash

          mRNA needs super cold temps or it gets destroyed.

          There are several non-mRNA vaxx available. I’m hanging out for Novavax which was meant to be available later this year but it has gone quiet. I don’t know why the silence. Last I heard was the govt bought a stack earlier this year. Perhaps Pfizer and AZ looked over at the leaders in charge of all of this, cocked an eyebrow and shook their head ever so slightly with pursed lips?

          It is pretty much a given I will need a vax at some stage to remain employed, and I do need to travel interstate in April next year, so I thought I’d try and minimise the as yet unknown effects on my body and immune system as much as possible and choose a more “conventional” vaccine.

          I’m not antivax, I have been inoculated for a lot of things including Q-fever due to my career in the ag/meat processing sector.

          My father suffered two strokes a week after his first AZ shot. He had existing problems with circulation and diabetes. Nobody would accept the vaccine was responsible. He now needs a walking frame.

          He also has another side effect of fluid retention which he never had before. I read an article recently that identified this as a possible problem in “rare” cases.

  2. Gee it’s almost as if the exclusion of those big yellow “Under Investigation” bars could dramatically impact the outcome of this study.

  3. Within your post is information that shows just how ridiculous some of the data is, and how it can lead to poor quality, and misled decisions.

    By your own admission children are included in the hospitalisation data, and are generally unvaccinated, but not actually REQUIRING hospitalisation, more so there as their parents are affected. So the number of “hospitalised with covid and unvaccinated” is pumped up by their number. Making it a FALSE reading and leading to overestimation of the number of people unvaccinated and genuinely requiring hospitalisation.

    The key number for a mass vaccination program, is how many people have died from covid, WITHOUT a contributing co-morbidity, and aged under 50. The number is small. Very small.

    You also indicate the vaccine works very well to prevent death.

    So put these two together and you have as a sensible conclusion: we should be satisfied with all those over 50, or under 50 with co-morbidities being vaccinated, and so by your own data and conclusion “very well protected”, and everyone else being able to get along with their lives, unrestricted, non-locked down, and non-affected by mandates, with their right to bodily autonomy maintained, with Nuremberg resolutions on experimental vaccines and coerced medical treatment, unbroken.

  4. Again~~~~ vaccinations do not transfer *** immunity *** to humans as it only lessens the risk of complications when one does get it, people that have had shots and have it 3 times and died on the last round. One variant does not have the same risk associated as others, infectious transmission, morbidity or death factors, age cohort, et al. Vaccinations are just one tool in the box of other protective measures like masks, distancing and air flow dynamics inside or outside, etc. Just getting the shot and then thinking the party starts again is actually worse than any other outcome because it enables the virus to mutate faster and then thus remove the ability to stay ahead of it as it gets its freak on.

    This is all well worn medical science that can not be refuted by PR marketing attempts to ground the narrative in goal seeking rhetoric. Death is the least of your worries as an individual or from a societal view point, long term morbidity not only affects the individual, but society as a whole. How many times do some around here would risk having covid variants time and time again and play that risk out with the rest of their lives.

    Its almost as bad as some instances I know of where back in the days some party types all showed up to some STD GP all at the same time, but fun was had, strangely it seemed it had a profound social effect on all down the road and it was never the same again, but lies were used to make it all good for others ….

    • Precisely. The “new normal” is probably a mix of multiple different controls. I think throwing out the most effective control (remote quarantine) is probably the worst decision people are making. Even if we subsidized it (made it free), it would still probably pay for itself in the long term. We would need less of these other controls you mention in everyday life if we had it by far which would save quite a bit of money there (and less waste such as masks I’ve seen scattered in parks, etc).

      My bias is to live in the cage for my everyday life, and pay for quarantine when I go on holiday. No reason why quarantine can’t be comfortable. Vs having to worry about masks, ventilation filters in every building, more deaths, long COVID. booster shot reactions, etc which seems like a bit of a nightmare to me that really is just about “keeping borders open” to reduce wages and keep up the ponzi.

      • The real problem is government has been white anted over the neoliberal period after the solid WWII period up to the 70s because markets always deploy capital better [flow of funds to the right people] and every solution has to have a money factor.

    • Jumping jack flash

      Yes but once you’ve had the vaccine you’ve had it. probability = 1.
      You may never catch COVID probability <1

      What happens to your body after the vaccine? What other things must you be careful of now? What about the possibility of taking different treatments now? If you have had the vaccine and miss a few boosters (which is very likely) and then catch COVID will it be a worse infection than if you hadn't had the vaccine to begin with?

      Where are the answers to these questions?


      • You may never catch COVID

        Unless you can eliminate human contact by becoming a total recluse it’s pretty close to certain. Closer to 0.99 than 0.9.
        Just look at UK – each week, 0.5% of total pop get it, no sign of slow down, actually the reverse.

        • Jumping jack flash

          Still not 1

          What’re the chances of dying from COVID? I’m guessing <<1

          And these poor unfortunate UK people contracting the virus are all unvaxxed, of course?

          • And still after 18 months of the pandemic, the vast majority of that time without any significant population-wide vaccine coverage, and only partial lockdowns for non-essential workers, only 1 in 8 people in the UK have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. Either we’re not all going to get it, or we are, and it’s a damned sight less threatening than we’re being told.

            The exploitation of Aids (The Guardian, 2008) – ‘The Aids scare was one of the most distorted, duplicitous and cynical public health panics of the last 30 years.’

            Fauci Was Duplicitous on the AIDS Epidemic Too (American Institute of Economic Research) – ‘In May 1983, amid the rapidly escalating AIDS crisis, a doctor at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) promoted a stunning theory about the newly encountered disease in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). Noting that the same issue of the journal contained an article documenting one of the first cases of the immunodeficiency disease’s appearance in an infant, the author sounded an alarm about “the possibility that routine close contact, as within a family household, can spread the disease.”’

          • kiwikarynMEMBER

            Yes, that is actually the most interesting data in that report. So far there is no explanation as to why vaccinated people are catching covid at a greater rate than unvaccinated people. Unless the unvaccinated are living in self imposed isolation or something.

          • @skippy – and Guardian propaganda comes from the other end of the horseshoe, but they both tell the same story of duplicitous public health officials cynically exploiting fear for political purposes.

    • Why have you accepted the CDC’s recent redefinition of “vaccine”? Look up the definition prior to covid and you’ll overwhelmingly find it referring to the provision of immunity. The US Patent Office regularly rejected vaccine patents on the grounds that they did not adeqately confer immunity therefore could not qualify as vaccines. Until covid, it was also completely normal to use “immunize” and “vaccinate” interchangeably.

      Do you recall the saturated messaging about needing to get vaccinated in order to reach herd-immunity? A % target was set with this goal in mind. Yes? So, if a vaccine does not confer immunity to any individual then how does it confer immunity to a herd? Why did this narrative even exist if vaccinate != immunise? Because, until covid, the understanding was that yes, a vaccine confers immunity, therefore mass vaccination can get to herd immunity.

      The definition was changed by the CDC when it became apparent that these vaccines do not confer immunity. Yet, oddly, the % target remained in place and nobody questioned the moving of the goalposts to a new reason to justify the target.

      CDC at the start of the year:
      Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.
      Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
      Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.
      Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.

      CDC today:
      Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.
      Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
      Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.
      Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.

      I see what you did there CDC.

  5. Jumping jack flash

    Waiting for Novavax… not a peep though.

    I had a thought the other day. With the world pretty much settled on the 3 or 4 main vaccines (including J&J I guess) I read an article about a new vaccine being developed by some company somewhere, might have even been here in Australia, and they were finding it really difficult to conduct trials because they couldn’t find unvaxxed people!

    It made me wonder about who is driving the 70%. 80%. 90% vaccine targets. Is it CHOs? Or is it CHOs in consultation with vaccine manufacturers, gauging “best practice” and “projections” while really trying to crowd out any chance of competition?

    It would make sense, because in true political style, the private sector knows best, and the vaccine manufacturers would certainly know more about the vaccination rates required than anyone else could possibly ever know in the history of mankind.

    I believe Pfizer is projected to have a $33 billion dollar profit as a result of all of this. They would want to keep as much of that as they could and make sure nobody else could swoop in and take it from them with a better vaccine.

    I’m sure that once you got your double dose of whatever you choose, that when it comes time for your booster you would more than likely stick with the one you know, rather than reach for the bottle of the “other stuff”.

    • Reus's large MEMBER

      Did you notice the shift in rhetoric over time for the vaccines … 95% efficient, then 90%, then 85% … now 45% and you need a booster, they are already preparing the ground for 6 monthly boosters, Australia had on order 125 million doses of vaccines …. how many shots is that.

      Nice setup for a subscription model by big Pharama

      • Jumping jack flash

        Yes.

        They tried so hard with the flu shots, but weren’t successful. Mainly because the flu shots are rubbish, based on dodgy mutation models generated by a computer. If only they’d thought of mRNA.

        I’m looking for some information about the rise in cases of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and the uptake of flu shots… correlation causation, yes… I know. I know.

        The problem is that research like that isn’t funded by anyone because anyone who thinks its relevant wouldn’t have the money to fund it, and the ones who have the money to fund it don’t think its relevant. Science is great isn’t it?

  6. It’s only early days and the problem we’ll be facing is people shortened their second jab period, which will impact their long term protection. I reckon in 3 months time we’ll be struggling and most people will lose their protection by the time we hit the worse winter months with little vitamin D/UV.

    • Jumping jack flash

      It’ll be daily vaccines after about 5 years or so. Wake up in the morning and get your daily vaccine from the cafe with your coffee. You can already get them at Bunnings, just a matter of time.

      Who knows what the average human’s lymphatic system will be like by then?

      Nobody knows. Nobody is looking.

        • Reus's large MEMBER

          The religion of “follow the science” the same science that brought you, the earth was flat, the earth was the center of the solar system, the whuflu is not transmissable between humans, don’t wear and mask / wear a mask, and that threw a man in a asylum for suggesting that surgeons washing their hands before cutting you open was a good idea …. and many other gems

  7. Working in one of the Sydney hospitals that received a lot of C19 cases the last 3 months, I can tell you that C19 in 2021 was really a disease of the unvaccinated. Being vaccinated greatly reduced your risk of hospitalisation, serious illness and death.

    To the best of my knowledge, no staff knowingly became infected despite caring for many hundreds of cases coming through our door. Partly PPE, but partly also vaccine.

    I would hazard a guess (with zero evidence) that some of us did actually get “infected.” But if you did not get any symptoms, you would not know.

    Large UK data is pretty convincing that vax reduces your risk of death to that of someone 30 years younger than you. That’s pretty powerful for a disease with an exponential relationship between age V risk of death.

    That’s why in 2021 there seemed a high % of people on their 50’s and 60’s dying. The 70-80 yr old had been vaxed and their risk was lower than the unvaced middle aged.