Welcome to Melbourne: World’s most locked down city

For years, Melbourne has been marketed as “the world’s most livable city”.

Today, it has won another award, overtaking Buenos Aires to be the city experiencing the most days in hard lockdown: 235 days and counting.

Other major cities of note with record days in lockdown include:

  • London (207 days);
  • Prague (201 days);
  • Dakar (169 days);
  • Paris (161 days);
  • Baku (152 days); and
  • La Paz (131 days).

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews stated over the weekend that Melbourne’s hard lockdown would “end on 26 October” once 70% over the adult population is double vaccinated, which would mean Melbourne will have spent 267 days in hard lockdown.

However, the 26 October will only be a partial reopening, with shops, gyms and other indoor activities remaining closed, and schools only returning part-time. A proper reopening is not scheduled to occur until early November when 80% are fully vaccinated.

Thus, Melburnians are still facing around six weeks of lockdown pain.

Unconventional Economist

Comments

    • Lord DudleyMEMBER

      Nah, they’ll continue until the vax percentage is high enough. This is why anti-vaxxers should be separated by society. And they will be. It’s coming. The majority of people despise anti-vaxxers and will throughly support firing them from their jobs and not allowing them near responsible people.

      Also: freeloader! You post so much here, but won’t pay for an account. Bludger.

      • Yes those pesky people sticking up for their human rights, why can’t they be scared, cowardly wimps like the majority and just give in to tyranny!

        • Lord DudleyMEMBER

          “tyranny”. You wouldn’t know what the word means. This is why hyperbolic man-baby anti-vaxxers will be ignored. Just get the jab and get on with life. Anyone who chooses not to gets separated from large areas of society. It’s completely self-induced.

          The sooner people are vaxxed, the sooner the lockdowns go away. It’s that simple. If the lockdowns are extended because of anti-vaxxers, then the people will know who their enemy is. It’s the anti-vaxxers.

          • After an article stating that humans have been locked into buildings, like rats in a cage, for a globally unprecedentedly 235 days of their lives and counting and people who protest the situation are tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets, some nunce confidently bleats “ You wouldn’t know what the word tyranny means”.

          • After an article stating that humans have been locked into buildings like rats in a cage for a globally unprecedentedly 235 days of their lives and counting, some nunce confidently bleats “ You wouldn’t know what the word tyranny means”.

          • Dudley. You remind my of a pre teen chess player who has his first 5 moves sorted out, and they are good moves but if he doesn’t have the opposition done by then its all over for him he gets confused. But you keep playing those first 5 moves mate with no thought as to after that.

          • You make an assumption that getting the jab will get life back to normal. Tell me, when was the last time in human history where total compliance resulted in freedoms being restored ? History says that power taken or given is never restored unless by force.

          • “Just get the vaxx and get on with life”

            I don’t disagree (am fully vaxxed). I’m confident it’s the least risky path, even though I’ve had COVID.
            However, forcing it onto people so we don’t overload the healthcare system is like forcing morbidly obese people to eat a certain diet, or smokers to stop smoking.

            People need to be able to make their own foolish decisions. If this means we can’t maintain a publicly funded healthcare system, or you lose access to that system if you don’t follow a certain path, so be it.
            But you should give people a choice regardless.

            Could you imagine what would happen if we forced pregnant women with serious symptoms to take Thalydomide so they stopped going to the doctor and/or hospital for help?
            Or if we forced diabetics to have 5 servings of grain daily (because that was the recommended approach – see food pyramid)?

            There are more examples I’m sure. But the basic point is that sometimes we get medicines wrong (I think we have this one right). And if society has forced everyone to take it, then we’ve basically forced those people down the wrong path.
            No thank you.

          • Who’s locked in their buildings? TBH, I’ve been out more now than I was before, excluding time spent travelling to work. Never been fitter.

            There are reasons to be skepticaL, but hyperbolic statements don’t help your case.

        • desmodromicMEMBER

          This is Australia and there is no Bill of Rights. Such niceties are for Americans, Europeans and others.

          • I find it amazing they have banned golf. Surely, one of the safest pursuits, wandering around in the open air, away from other players???

          • reusachtigeMEMBER

            ^^ Was never banned in NSW thankfully. I think Gladys has proven indisputably that everything and anything is better managed under a Liberal Nationalist government.

          • Arthur Schopenhauer

            @rusty Golf is not safe when open space is needed to be shared with other citizens, however there are plenty of man-children (it’s always men) who insist on wacking the little white ball amongst people not playing golf, endangering them.

            Why is the space needed? A symptom of planning priorities.

            Do the man-children think of the rights of others not to be injured? Nah, they couldn’t give a FK.

          • Re golf – are you talking about public courses that are shared spaces (in Melbourne , I think Cheltenham and Yarra Park?) – because the private / semi privates are perfectly safe, especially once one is safely behind the gates at RMGC. I joke, though – had a hit at Byron with the wife – 2 pax, safe? Unless I am missing something ?

          • There is nothing stopping the overweight, tatted up KFC food court freedom warriors getting their KFC home delivered and eating it under their beds.

      • You should be separated from society, along with the rest of the hypochondriac vermin that can’t do basic stats.

        • Arthur Schopenhauer

          The cry-babies should get the Vax and we can get on with opening up.

          What a bunch of scaredy-cats!

      • You fell for one of the oldest playbooks in the world. It is true that there are some more extreme elements active. The opportunistic reporting of anti-vaxxers with both extreme left and right wing movements should be noted. Discrediting any movement of concern by now having most builders distancing themselves and removing their voice. You may also believe that it was the Christians who burnt Rome.

  1. How Dan’s approval rating isn’t 10% or less is beyond me.
    Almost makes me see Victorians as some weird alien species.
    Stockholm syndrome.

    • Frank DrebinMEMBER

      Australians in general these days I think unfortunately.

      Conservative, insular, afraid and unaware of the world around them.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Victorians have proven themselves to be, on a whole, absolute chicken sh1ts, except their freedom fighters! They’re hard as unlike Sydney’s chicken sh1t protesters. A strange contradiction indeed.

      • 270 odd days of lockdown for a virus that gives you excess deaths of .05% of population a year median age 85.
        Greatest screw up in Australian history.
        Schools not opening in entirety on Oct 4 is repulsive.no country on earth has not opened schools at 30% vaxed.
        90% of over 50s are vaxed. Pandemic over.
        BTW Sweden followed our pandemic plan and had a better result by a factor of 100. I do hope the freedom fighters tear the city to shreds BLM style.

        • Yeah. Sure. 1100 Deaths from 90,000 cases out of a population of 25.8Million….. vs 14,700 deaths from 1.1M cases out of a population of 10M …. Yeah they had better result than us by a factor of 100…..

          Do you realise a better result is to get lower deaths per capita, not higher..?

          You might want to read up on how Sweden has dealt with Covid19, originally went ‘Let it Rip’ but put in place restrictions as of Jan ’21.
          https://sweden.se/life/society/sweden-and-corona-in-brief

          a Huge factor in why Sweden has not had to go harder is they have a very high trust in the government, unlike US, UK and Australia. If everyone had listened the spread would have slowed and measures could have been eased earlier but too many selfish clowns think their freedumbs are at more inportant than other peoplse lives….

          Also the 0.05% death rate depends on where you are and what actions are taken by the country/community. In the US, Covid19 currently has a Mortality rate of 2091 per Million ( 0.2, not 0.05% ) With all the measures that have been put in place. Influenza has a massive 152 per Million without the same measures. Covid19 currently is way more lethal, even with the restrictions.

          yeah, I know not all of the US is as restricted, but it shows in the data, they are currently #1 on all measures related to Covid19…

          • Do you not believe that the US death toll is the result of the way the US statistics are distorted and compromised by the way the virus has been politicised and profiteered there?

            How can you possibly imagine that the death toll per million of population is genuinely four times higher in the US than Indonesia, twice as high as Iran?

          • Do you seriously believe the US over reports their death statistics while the countries you mention are honest about it?

            Your so hell bent on seeing a conspiracy in everything your blind to the fact 90% of the “real truth” facts you buy into are fabricated by foreign actors trying to destabilise the west, the rest by people wanting to believe.

          • “Do you realise a better result is to get lower deaths per capita, not higher..?”

            But how do you actually weigh this up against all other impacts? Lives saved vs children’s education and development. Lives saved vs economic impacts. Lives saved on CV-19 vs lived lost due to other unattended health issues. We could go on.

            I have yet to see a detailed analysis on these tradeoffs yet your assumptions (and many others) is that saving lives regardless of other consequences is the “better result”. Your view, like mine, is merely an opinion, doesn’t make it right.

          • But how do you actually weigh this up against all other impacts? Lives saved vs children’s education and development. Lives saved vs economic impacts. Lives saved on CV-19 vs lived lost due to other unattended health issues. We could go on.

            Sure, there are impacts to education that will be felt for ages… but not quantifiable in statistics until we see the impacts and can be remediated once identified.

            Sure, there are economic impacts as well, and it will take years for the general economy to recover. Weird thing is if you have been playing along for the last few years, the economy has been in a bit of a state and for all we know was going to collapse until the drunken sailor stimulus was thrown around.

            As for the other unattended health issues, There has been no dramatic increase as yet in any other death rates in any data I have seen. Influenza deaths are way down. Suicide rates haven’t changed despite the claims. Imagine how the impact of a health system overrun with Covid patients would handle trying to treat those unattended health issues?

            The problem is your thinking about these things as isolated and unrelated things and seem to be unable to see the bigger picture.

            Dont worry about Covid and the health system is over run, those unrelated deaths sky rocket.
            Those deaths skyrocket and people who would ordinarily been contributors to society for decades are no longer there, their loved ones suffer. The impact on the economy that this has is real, it may or may not be smaller but it still is real.

            I have yet to see a detailed analysis on these tradeoffs yet your assumptions (and many others) is that saving lives regardless of other consequences is the “better result”. Your view, like mine, is merely an opinion, doesn’t make it right.

            Let me turn that upside down for you….

            I have yet to see a detailed analysis on these tradeoffs yet your assumptions (and many others) is that not saving lives related to Covid regardless of the obvious impacts and other consequences is the “better result”. Your view, like mine, is merely an opinion, doesn’t make it right.

            You seem to be caught up in the fallacious viewpoint that Doing nothing about Covid will allow us to return to a normal life and result in no impact on anyone. It comes across as selfish and is shortsighted. Do I think the lockdowns as Melbourne has seen are a perfect solution, no, but while ever a small contingent of people keep ignoring the requirements and doing whatever they want, the lockdowns need to stay in play to reduce the spread and reduce the impact on the health system. You want the lockdowns to end quick, get everyone to comply and then you can see room for a relaxing of the rules.

          • Covid kills mostly extremely old people, average age of death is 85. 90% of them had co-morbidities. People this old and sick would have died anyway, probably from the flu or pneumonia like old people normally do. Covid did not cause these people’s deaths, they would have died anyway, with or without Covid. So what have locked down countries gained by destroying the lives of healthy people in order to let elderly people go back to dying from cancer, dementia, congestive heart failure and all the other things that they were dying from pre-Covid? The only real deaths attributed to Covid (those who would not have died if Covid had not happened) is far lower than the headline numbers of those who died “with Covid”.

          • Usually people in favour of lockdowns are in cushy WFH jobs, living in low density housing with few members of household and/or wealthy. Many other people are not in the same privilege position.
            The reality is COVID has been killing the elderly, frail and already sick.

          • Usually people in favour of lockdowns are in cushy WFH jobs, living in low density housing with few members of household and/or wealthy. Many other people are not in the same privilege position.

            You know this because you have seen numerous opinion polls on this? or did you do a survey of your own?
            It seems like a logical assumption but that doesn’t necessarily make it accurate.
            I am in one of your “Cushy WFH jobs” and I dont like being in lockdown, My brother lives in caravan and hasnt had a job in years, has no where to go that he cant do under lockdown and he is angry about the lockdowns… He has always been self centred, entitled with a distinct lack of empathy so that doesnt surprise me.

            I know a number of people who are not lucky enough to have WFH jobs and they want the lockdown to end, but are also against the open it up and just let the elderly die mentality. They are angry at the people who are ignoring the restrictions which are resulting lock downs extending.

            The reality is COVID has been killing the elderly, frail and already sick.

            And 30 yr olds, and some kids. But this is all irrelevant because unless you decide to just abandon anyone who is suffering from Covid19, if we let it run then the health system is overrun and people die from all sorts of things they would not have died from before. You dont have to be Einstein to understand this..

          • There are a few assumptions around my views in your post, lets address some of the main ones.

            “You seem to be caught up in the fallacious viewpoint that Doing nothing about Covid will allow us to return to a normal life and result in no impact on anyone.”

            Never said that. I asked a question around how do you weigh up impacts and concluded that its all just opinion without data.

            “The problem is your thinking about these things as isolated and unrelated things and seem to be unable to see the bigger picture.”

            Incorrect. My original post calls out these tradeoffs and our inability to weight them up properly. Your original post and elements of your second post continue to infer that reducing deaths is the only goal in town. I am merely disputing your ability to make that claim because an analysis has not been done.

            Lets address some of the other topics raised.

            Usual patient care is suffering
            https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/21/we-are-absolutely-in-crisis-sydneys-health-workers-on-whether-the-system-is-coping-under-covid

            “Unfortunately, non-Covid-19 patients are also affected.

            Other wards are being forgotten. Acute wards are not being staffed, our nursing colleagues are being deployed to the Covid-19 wards and the staff to patient ratios are breaking down.

            Working in full PPE is exhausting and seeing young patients with few comorbidities die even more so.

            Health outcomes will suffer. Patients that should be seen in hospital for workup of time critical conditions such as cancer are not being seen to free up hospital capacity pre-emptively for Covid-19 admissions. People will die.

            People who may have lived with high levels of function are going to die or become disabled. We will spend years trying to catch up with the devastation this has caused.

            In this scenario the govt has decided that CV-19 critical patient care is a priority. Okay fair enough, but it does not change the flow on health impacts for non CV-19 patients as noted. All I am saying is that we haven’t done the analysis to know this trade-off is the right one.

            Lifeline records highest daily calls on record as lockdown exacerbates loneliness, hardship
            https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/lifeline-records-highest-daily-calls-on-record/100350522

            “The recent lockdowns have significantly shifted the social and economic landscape in Australia and will exacerbate the risk factors that are clearly linked to distress such as economic hardship, employment, relationship breakdown and loneliness, particularly for young people.”

            This article alone does not tell us the full story but if we wanted to draw some assumptions then the increased call volumes indicate a level of distress. How that will be felt across the community remains to be seen but as a society we haven’t effectively weighed these impacts up.

            Australian Government and institution measures in response to COVID-19
            https://home.kpmg/xx/en/home/insights/2020/04/australia-government-and-institution-measures-in-response-to-covid.html

            “Since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Australian Government has provided $257 billion in direct economic support to cushion the blow and strengthen the recovery. The 2020-21 Budget commits a further $98 billion including, $25 billion in direct COVID-19 response measures and $74 billion in new measures to create jobs, bringing the Government’s overall support to $507 billion.”

            $507 billion is a lot of money and you need to ask what else could have been done with those funds. This is a disease of the elderly and co-morbid and even these people are relatively resilient. As an example (https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mortality-risk-estimator) an 80yr old male with obesity, lung cancer and hypertension has a 12.7% chance of death if they catch CV-19. Add in type 2 diabetes and high cholesterol and the risk of death goes up to 15.4%. If the argument is that we are saving quality life years by saving all those who would die of CV-19 then I have to fundamentally disagree with you. The data supports that quality of life indicators for these folks would be poor and if it wasn’t CV-19 their age or disease status would have negatively impacted their life expectancy.

            For the sake of the exercise lets say we saved 35,000 lives (140 dead per 100K) because of lockdown. $507B / 35,000 is $14.485M per life saved. On a pure economic basis its very hard to argue that there would have been a $14.485m economic loss per person considering age and co-morbidity factors.

            All said and done, I maintain the position that we cannot claim saving lives was the only logical outcome once we had a grasp on the disease mortality rates and risk factors. Leaders have failed society on presenting the balanced view points and tradeoffs to be debated. By stating absolutes you risk shutting down any rational discussion.

        • Arthur Schopenhauer

          Most schools in LA were closed for over 12 months, and the city barely locked down relative to Australia.

      • reusachtigeMEMBER

        We needed to be in this position to get on with things. History will record that they did the right thing and voters will thank them soon enough. You can hide away if you don’t like it, by all means. You are free to, but your ilk wishes to take everyone else’s freedom for yourselves.

      • Definitely not. A large portion of the discourse which makes this site attractive is provided by non members.

        • I would like to think the logic goes something like this- when you pay for something, you may be more inclined to value it enough to not have to turn to a cesspit.
          Less likely to care about quality of something you don’t pay for and thus haven’t personally invested in.

      • Lord DudleyMEMBER

        Plus a bazillion. A lot of the non members are anti vaxx brigaders here to wreck the joint, and they create sock puppet accounts like nothing else. They’re worthless, gish galloping wastes of space.

    • I support your view Steve but it is a good point about non members not commenting. I’m actually a little embarrassed that we share the same view and then you freeload from this site. Makes me wonder what’s else you freeload on

      • There’s an apparent lack of understanding of freemkum models at play here.

        If the proprietors were so inclined they could paywall every aspect of this site both viewing and commenting. The fact they don’t do so probably indicates having some free / open articles plus commenting drives some value for them

        • The Travelling Phantom 👻

          ➕1 some people love to force their views even over the owners of this great forum as if they know better in every thing. Being right on the topic of vaccination doesn’t give anyone the high moral ground…what makes them different from religious zealots?
          If I may add, everyone to their own..go get jabbed or not , the biggest mistake was not providing the vaccine and saturated the market from the beginning…nature will take care of who was right and who was wrong

    • + many

      That’s why I now give my internets money to Michael West, Wikipedia and a few others. I have thrown the MB fund some cash, so they are getting something out if me.

  2. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature?” –James Madison, Federalist 51

  3. Camden HavenMEMBER

    The state of Victoria’s economy on reopening will be interesting, might need a lot of support from Canberra. Ponzis world wide are in trouble and Melbourne is ground zero

    • MountainGuinMEMBER

      Sure it could do with more dollars from the feds, but the feds have already blown huge holes in the budget that our kids need to repay. Most other states and territories have been hit by direct lockdowns or have had tourism sectors hit indirectly by interstate lockdowns and no international tourism. While WA did very well avoiding lockdown, it is facing a large iron ore drop.
      So their is pain all around and I’m not really sure how much more fed payments are needed. Try considering if people would be calling for more dollars if the deal was to jack up taxes on them in 1 or 2 years?
      My view is decent unemployment benefits are needed for those who really need it, if the govt didn’t pork barrel so much a bit of infrastructure spending like electricity transmission lines would be nice but payments to help with lost income are a luxury i don’t think we can afford.

    • Canberra not going to help-got no cash with iron ore crash. Melbourne goes straight into economic depression.

  4. Lockdowns for vic labour have always been about power and control, the overall physical and mental wellbeing for the population was forgotten about long ago.

  5. Its going to be costly living in Melb given highest debt (>$100bn), continued lagged infrastructure built for a time when CBD’s were a thing, people leaving as soon as able – reminds me of the Kirner years. There’ll be tumbleweeds down Elizabeth St again!

  6. I can’t stand people spouting that it’s only a small percentage. It hides the base number and we’re in lockdown, yet it’s still too high. Your analysis of data is that of a high school kid.

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      An Economist is not an Engineer. It’s not as if people’s lives depend on them getting their calcs correct. No skin in the game.

      Covid has shown Economics more of a religion than a science. At least as practiced in Australia. Viva Covid!

  7. Australia is now delivering one million doses every 3-4 days, compared with 45 days for the first one million doses, 20 days for the next million doses and 17 days for the third million total doses.

    So far, 25,445,232 doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been delivered across the country.

    Even at this rate it’s bloody trurtle spec, it’s all Scomo’s fault, and he’s washed his hand with it.

    • The Travelling Phantom 👻

      It also shows the under 55 are enthusiastic about getting vaccinated as soon as the door opened for them to get it..what an idiot Scomo for such a plan and such pathetic supply

    • Yep, he screwed the pooch on this and several other things. Premiers stuffed health care. All are in cahoots to reboot the ponzi.

      As we open, the unvaxxed, very old or very unhealthy will still die. People need to be prepared for this.

      • The vast majority of unvaxxed won’t die because they are young and healthy and Covid has a 99.7% survival rate. Most of them will get mild flu symptoms and go on to recover having acquired natural immunity that is far superior to anything the vaccine can deliver, thus protecting them from future variants. The vaccinated elderly, obese and the ill will continue to die, because (a) vaccines dont work very well on elderly, obese and immunocompromised people and (b) the vaccine protection wears off after 6 months. So unless these people want to sign up to a lifetime of 4-6 monthly booster shots, they will have to roll the dice with Covid just like all the unvaxxed people.

        • Wrong because there’s a chance healthy people will have their lungs attacked due to the virus if you are unvaccinated which means reduced lung capacity when you get through the other side. What about requiring a heart transplant at 40? (even though before covid you were running marathons).

          The vaccine isn’t just about dying, its the protection you get from all the nasty sides. People are so ridged into their anti vaxx stance that they don’t see the whole picture.

          Would you get into a gun fight with out a gun? You start with a handicap as well because your immune system has never seen this virus before.

          • Vaccinated people can still contract the virus, for delta, vaccinated and unvaccinated patients have a similar viral load in the oral cavity. If vaccination does not protect others, it should be up to the individual if they choose to take it or not. If you try to use the argument of filling up the hospitals, why have we do anything on smoking, alcohol, high sugar food and extreme sports?

          • Yes vaccinated people still get the virus, but when the virus enters deep into your system the vaccine comes in and protects you. What part of this can you not understand?

            why have we do anything on smoking, alcohol, high sugar food and extreme sports? Because these do not overwhelm the system like covid does.

            Extreme sports are a minority.
            You cant give someone diabetes or obesity by coughing on them.
            Smoking has been in the firing line for years and on the decline.

          • Jumping jack flash

            “but when the virus enters deep into your system ”

            Lol!
            This actually doesn’t happen. Either you get the virus, get an infection from it while your body fights it, or don’t get sick at all while your body fights it. The vaccine just speeds up the time it takes for your body to learn how to fight the vaccine so you generally don’t get as sick while you have it.

            Depending on which paper you read, something like 7% – 40% of COVID cases are asymptomatic, and that was irrespective of vaccination status.

          • Jumping Jack Fish you’re completely incorrect. The virus sits in your nose and throat cavity which isn’t deemed intra-muscular, its surface skin level, when it moves down your throat it becomes intra-muscular and starts attacking your organs and this is were the current vaccines work.

            Before it attacks your lungs it already circulating through your brain and working your way through your body at a much reduced pace.

            But whatever insert any percentage here to continue with your cognitive dissonance.

          • Jumping jack flash

            I guess you mean Long COVID – that mysterious ailment up there with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Lyme Disease? I’m waiting for them to put Long COVID on the NDIS eligibility list.
            After they do that they can put all of those fantastic diseases including lupus on there as well.
            I have a friend with lupus. Terrible disease. Not eligible for DSP though, as much as she would like it. Too bad for her, but maybe long COVID will change all that? Maybe she can catch Long COVID and then live a life of luxury relative to the dole?

            Anyway, a quick google found that there’s a UK study that found a 50% chance at avoiding long covid after double vaccination.
            Flip a coin. Apart from the fact how can they tell whether someone exposed to covid after being vaccinated even would have developed long covid without being vaccinated is astounding. There’s some clever people around that’s for sure.

            Still, 50% is around about the protection level the regular flu shot gives you if you live in the correct hemisphere, on a good year, so that’s something I guess.

        • Arthur Schopenhauer

          The French Gov has put the post-Covid immunity at 6 months. They apply it to their Vaccine Passport.

        • “Covid has a 99.7% survival rate.”

          There is literally no country where the maths:

          deaths/(deaths+recoveries)*100 gives a result of 0.3%

          3.0% maybe, but not 0.3%

  8. Surely this is a positive. All the jackboot stuff and lockdowns being beamed around the world has to be discouraging more vibrancy.

    • Even better when you consider that vaccine hesitancy is highest amongst ethnic and indigenous populations. So with vaccine passports, wh1te people finally get to exclude people of colour from society again. #winning

  9. SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER

    Something that was actually dangerous happened in melbourne yesterday, thank dog for lock downs

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      He’s been picked up by Austria’s equivalent of One Nation, and failed to have a case heard in the Canadian Courts, on factual grounds.

  10. Australia needs to be in lock-down. The federal and state govs are in collusion with this because all sides of parliament are pro-mass immigration. All govs know that hospitals have no chance of managing a completely realistic pandemic with the current level of population. The immigration floodgates have been open since 2005 – at 10x long term rates. Hospitals have certainly not been built, equipped and staffed at 10x rates. That is why Australia must be locked and frozen. It’s the big lie that is hidden and staring everyone in the face. It is not only lies that “we are all in this together”, and “we need to stay safe and keep each other safe” (by detaining ourselves). It is all just a propaganda cover up of the mass immigration scheme that has been so lavishly generous to a small group of industries at, now, the expense of individual freedoms (along with every other detriment to peoples’ lives) I’m surprised this blog hasn’t connected that puzzle yet.

    • 1. Immigration levels that gave rivers of money to the property development and real estate industries have been on full-tilt.
      2. Immigration population growth means existing public health system is overwhelmed and inadequate.
      3. Pandemic arises and the country must be put into totalitarian system with no individual freedoms.
      4. Government lies and propaganda to convince the population that “we need to be safe and stay inside” (to cover up gov corruption and mismanagement).

      • Jumping jack flash

        “Immigration population growth means existing public health system is overwhelmed and inadequate”

        Add to that the systematic dismantling of our public health system to pursue the (since failed) agenda of privatisation.
        Not only is our public health system inadequate from an immigration and population growth perspective, it is inadequate and in tatters because it was purposefully starved of funds so people would get frustrated and move over to the private system!

        Without overtly hobbling our once great public health system, the pride of Australia and the envy of the world, nobody in their right minds would choose to pay for private health and the private system.

        Nobody is talking about that little chestnut, either.

  11. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-does-no-one-ever-talk-about-sweden-anymore

    never hear dan andrews or bret sutton or msm talk about sweden. what an inconvenient country those swedes are. brave and good looking. historians will have a field day with it and no doubt will shape future thinking about handling pandemics. always the outlier that provides uncomfortable awkwardness that people dont talk about. outliers can be totally wrong or totally right from what i have observed in life

    • One this has normalized globally it will be interesting to look at countries such as Sweden and compare them to places such as Australia. If we end up with a similar number of CV-19 deaths with very tight restriction it will highlight Sweden was right to front load the problem in exchange for keeping a semblance of normality for their citizens.

      One has to wonder if we are just dragging the pain over a longer period of time only to reach the same inevitable outcome.

      • Jumping jack flash

        Keep in mind that the entire reason for lockdowns is to “flatten the curve”, ie, reduce load on hospitals.
        This action was validated using data and experiences from the Spanish Flu in US cities where some cities locked down and others did not. In the cities that locked down, the time it took to “recover” from the flu was prolonged, but hospitals were not overrun. Conversely in cities that did not lock down, they recovered more quickly but obviously had the burning piles of corpses on the street corners and mass graves.

        It has nothing to do with anything else.

        The real (and only) question to ask is “were Swedish hospitals overrun with millions of undead COVID zombies as a result of their strategy?” and possibly, “how many mass graves and corpse bonfires were required in Sweden because they didn’t lock down?”

        Using lockdowns for anything else other than that is simply panic by our “leaders” – who are ordinary people pretending to be leaders and who just got lucky during the good times when nobody was depending on nor examining their leadership ability.

  12. Daniel BenmayorMEMBER

    Australia is in such a geographically advantageous position for situations like this, prevention of the virus infiltrating should have been easy. So many different options for quarantine facilities that could have been created with just a little initiative and proactivity. And then the vaccine debacle. It’s almost like they tried to stuff everything up.

    ScoMo and his gang should be tried for treason.