Morrison and Delta are stalking your children

In my experience, most pollies have a personality disorder. There are degrees of toxic that do not matter or we can put up with.

This is not the case with Prime Minister Scott Morrison. He is a genuine psychopath, unable to empathise with his fellow Australians, premiers or anybody else he needs to negotiate with.

We don’t need inside information to know this. It is as plain the nose on Morrison’s face as he bungles one national crisis after another:

  • Swinging in a Hawaiian hammock as the nation burned.
  • Doing nothing on climate change.
  • Gaslighting parliament and the people about rapes in his party’s midst.
  • Gaslighting the living daylights out of the Chinese.
  • Flip-flopping like a mad metronome on COVID open and closed and failing to centralise hotel quarantine.
  • And, the greatest single failure of any PM in the last century, trashing the vaccine rollout.

But, if we do want inside information to understand Morrison then it is increasingly available via leaks.

Last weekend we had the ignominious spectacle of Gladys Berejiklian labeling Morrison an “evil bully” and the “PM for Morrison”.  Yesterday Nikki Savva joined in as well:

When this columnist reported elsewhere that restless government MPs hoped Dutton would surface as the standard-bearer for conservative causes which they believe have been betrayed by the government, it sent Frydenberg into over-drive. Now, even progressives believe Dutton would be more proactive on climate change than Morrison because he wants the issue “off the table”.

Frydenberg would be even more agitated to know that several Victorian MPs, once terrified of getting wiped out under Dutton, who you would think would relish the opportunity to elect a Victorian as leader, give a swift “no” or “nah” to questions about Frydenberg’s potential as a leader.

They want him to be less submissive to Morrison. They want him to speak out more, at least privately, because they know, and history shows, creative tension between the prime minister and the treasurer is vital for better government and better policy, even at the cost of the relationship.

…For three years the Liberals have lacked a coherent policy agenda and commitment to any cause beyond surviving the news cycle. As one senior Liberal observed: “Morrison doesn’t want anybody with a robust reform agenda. He doesn’t have one, and he doesn’t want anyone beside him to have one. Morrison is a ruthless campaigner. Josh needs everybody to like him.

“There is no clash of ideas or reform path. Josh is about managing expectations, managing relationships and managing stakeholders. So yes, they would be very comfortable living together.”

The psychopath and the doormat. A co-dependence if ever there was one.

Today, if you are a parent then you must ask yourself if you trust this man with the welfare of your young children. His attack dogs are going nuts over state border closures and, in particular, caring for kids:

Annastacia Palaszczuk has been criticised for being “out of control” and accused of keeping Queenslanders in a “state of perpetual anxiety” in a scathing TV interview.

Disapproval is mounting for the Queensland Premier as members of the Morrison government blast her over her refusal to agree to a plan to open borders.

National cabinet was presented with modelling from the Doherty Institute recently which advised lockdowns and enforced border closures would no longer be needed when jab protection reaches a specific threshold.

But Ms Palaszczuk continues to defy instructions from federal counterparts, infuriating many senior Morrison government cabinet figures.

A steady stream of senior federal cabinet ministers tore into the Queensland Premier after she raised concerns about the need to vaccinate children, creating a new barrier to open borders.

Ms Palaszczuk told parliament she wants more research into the impacts of Covid-19 on children and for this risk to be considered in the modelling.

“Unless there is an answer on how these young people are going to be vaccinated, you are putting this most vulnerable population at risk,” she said.

“You open up this state and you let the virus in here, every child under 12 is vulnerable.”

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews accused the Premier of “scaremongering” while Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg continued the assault on the state leader on Thursday.

“It‘s a desperate denial of the reality and is not based on the medical advice,” he told Sunrise.

“The medical advice is that we should vaccinated people aged 12 to 15 – which we’re doing.”

The pressure continued on Thursday afternoon in a searing TV interview with LNP senator Amanda Stoker, also the Assistant Minister for Women.

In the interview, with the ABC’s Patricia Karvelas on Afternoon Briefings, Ms Stoker called Palaszczuk’s arguments “utterly unreasonable”.

“No where in the world is there a vaccine that’s approved for under 12s, nowhere,” she said. “She’s set a goalpost that can be met by no one.

“I think that exposes her real agenda here and that is to keep Queenslanders living in a state of perpetual anxiety and uncertainty rather than a path towards living safely alongside the virus.

Ah yes, “the medical advice”. So what is it?

There is none. That’s right. There are NO scientific studies yet completed on the effects of Delta and children. There is only anecdata from other countries. It is both unsettling and reassuring. Read it yourself, from the New York Times:

Pilar Villarraga had spent much of the summer counting down the days until her daughter Sophia’s birthday. In early August, Sophia would turn 12 — and become officially eligible for a Covid-19 vaccine. “I didn’t want her to start school without the vaccine,” said Ms. Villarraga, who lives in Doral, Fla.

And then, in late July, just two weeks before the milestone birthday, Sophia caught the coronavirus. At first, she just had a fever, but on July 25, after four quiet days convalescing at home, her ribs began to hurt. The next day, Ms. Villarraga took her to the emergency room, where chest X-rays revealed that Sophia had developed pneumonia. She soon began coughing up blood.

Sophia was promptly admitted to Nicklaus Children’s Hospital, in Miami. Her parents, and their friends, were in shock. “I didn’t think that kids could get that sick,” Ms. Villarraga said.

But Sophia was one of roughly 130 children with Covid-19 who were admitted to a U.S. hospital that day, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That number has been climbing since early July; from July 31 to Aug. 6, 216 children with Covid were being hospitalized every day, on average, nearly matching the 217 daily admissions during the pandemic’s peak in early January.

Hospitals in coronavirus hot spots have been particularly hard hit. On a single day last week, Arkansas Children’s Hospital, in Little Rock, had 19 hospitalized children with Covid; Johns Hopkins All Children’s Hospital, in St. Petersburg, Fla., had 15; and Children’s Mercy Kansas City, in Missouri, had 12. All had multiple children in the intensive care unit.

These numbers have sparked concerns that what had once seemed like the smallest of silver linings — that Covid-19 mostly spared children — might be changing. Some doctors on the front lines say they are seeing more critically ill children than they have at any previous point of the pandemic and that the highly contagious Delta variant is likely to blame.

“Everybody is a little bit nervous about the possibility that the Delta variant could in fact be, in some way, more dangerous in kids,” said Dr. Richard Malley, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at Boston Children’s Hospital.

Most children with Covid-19 have mild symptoms, and there is not yet enough evidence to conclude that Delta causes more severe disease in children than other variants do, scientists said.

What is clear is that a confluence of factors — including Delta’s contagiousness and the fact that people under 12 are not yet eligible to be vaccinated — is sending more children to the hospital, especially in areas of the country where the virus is surging. “If you have more cases, then at some point, of course it trickles down to children,” Dr. Malley said.

Climbing cases

Many children’s hospitals had been hoping for a quiet summer. Several run-of-the-mill childhood viruses are less common during the warmer months, and national Covid rates had been declining through the spring.

But last month, as Delta spread, that began to change. “The number of positive Covid tests started to climb in early July,” said Marcy Doderer, the president and chief executive of Arkansas Children’s Hospital. “And then that’s when we really started to see the kids get sick.”

The vaccines are effective against Delta — and provide powerful protection against severe disease and death — but children under 12 are not yet eligible for them. So as more and more adults get vaccinated, children make up an increasing share of Covid cases; between July 22 and July 29, they accounted for 19 percent of reported new cases, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

“They’re the unvaccinated,” said Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist at Stanford Medicine and chair of the A.A.P. Committee on Infectious Diseases. “That’s where we’re seeing all the new infections.”

From July 22 to July 29, nearly 72,000 new pediatric Covid cases were reported, almost twice as many as in the previous week, according to the association. At Johns Hopkins All Children’s Hospital, 181 children tested positive for the virus in July, up from just 12 in June.

Most of those children have relatively mild symptoms, such as runny noses, congestion, coughs or fevers, said Dr. Wassam Rahman, the medical director of the pediatric emergency center at All Children’s. “Most of the kids are not very sick,” he said. “Most will go home and be treated with preventive care at home. But as you might imagine, families are scared.”

A small share of children do develop severe disease, showing up at the hospital with pneumonia or in respiratory distress.

Of the 15 children with Covid-19 who were inpatients at Children’s Hospital New Orleans late last week, four — including a 3-month-old baby — were in intensive care, said Dr. Mark Kline, the hospital’s physician in chief. None of the children, including the eight who were old enough to be eligible, had been vaccinated.

“This Delta variant of Covid-19 is an infectious disease specialist’s worst nightmare,” Dr. Kline said. “And there’s just no sign that it has started to plateau.”

Some hospitalized children have other chronic conditions, like diabetes or asthma, that may make them more vulnerable to Covid, but doctors said that they also have seriously ill patients without any obvious risk factors.

Sophia, who was on her school’s track and cross country teams, was healthy and active before getting Covid, her mother said. Her parents were surprised by how quickly she deteriorated. “From one minute to another, she got super bad,” Ms. Villarraga said. “I said, ‘You know, I could lose my child.’”

After Sophia was admitted, doctors began treating her with the antiviral drug remdesivir, as well as antibiotics, steroids and a blood thinner. “From there, it was a day-by-day thing,” Ms. Villaraga said. “Little by little, she got better.”

Sophia, like most children with Covid-19, is expected to make a full recovery, her mother said. (A small percentage of children may experience lingering, long-term symptoms often known as long Covid.) She was discharged on July 31 and celebrated her birthday several days later — at home, with an ice cream cake.

Delta differences

Ms. Villaraga was not told whether Sophia had the Delta variant, but more than 80 percent of new cases in the United States are caused by Delta, the C.D.C. estimates, and doctors said that it is clear that Delta is behind the surge in childhood infections.

What remains unknown is whether children who are infected with Delta are actually getting sicker than they would have if they had caught a different variant — or if Delta, which is roughly twice as transmissible as the original virus, is just so infectious that many more children are getting sick.

There is some emerging evidence — mostly from data on adults — that Delta may cause more severe disease. Studies in Canada, Scotland and Singapore, for instance, have suggested, variously, that Delta may be more likely to lead to hospitalization, I.C.U. admission or death.

But the research is preliminary, experts said, and there is not yet enough good data on the severity of Delta cases in children.

“There’s no firm evidence that the disease is more severe,” said Dr. Jim Versalovic, the pathologist in chief and interim pediatrician in chief at Texas Children’s Hospital, in Houston, where about 10 percent of children now test positive for the virus, up from less than 3 percent in June. “We certainly are seeing severe cases, but we’ve seen severe cases throughout the pandemic.”

Although not all states report their pediatric hospitalization rates, the data that is available suggests that they have remained essentially steady for months. Nationally, roughly 1 percent of children who are infected with the virus end up hospitalized, and 0.01 percent die, according to the A.A.P. data. Both hospitalization and death rates have declined since last summer.

It is still possible, of course, that Delta could turn out to cause more severe disease in children. Hospitalization rates, which are a lagging indicator, could rise in the weeks and months ahead. And the rare but serious inflammatory syndrome that develops in some children with Covid-19 can take weeks to appear.

“I think time will tell, really,” Dr. Rahman said. “We need at least a month, maybe two months before we get a sense of trends.”

But in the U.K., where Delta swept through the population before the variant became widespread in the United States, experts say they have not seen clear evidence that the variant is making children sicker.

“There was a wave, there were children who became unwell,” said Dr. Elizabeth Whittaker, a pediatric infectious disease and immunology specialist at Imperial College London. “But not in the kind of, ‘Oh, my gosh, this is very different, this is worrying.’”

Dual surges

Whether or not Delta turns out to be more severe, the variant is clearly driving a surge of new infections in both children and adults, especially in areas where vaccine coverage is low. “The rates among children are going up because the rates among unvaccinated family members in their homes are going up,” Dr. Maldonado said.

And more infected children means more hospitalized children. “It’s a numbers game at this point,” Dr. Versalovic said.

Making matters worse, many hospitals are also reporting a highly unusual spike in children with respiratory syncytial virus, a contagious flulike illness that typically strikes in the fall and winter. R.S.V. cases were abnormally low last winter, likely because of lockdowns and pandemic precautions, but cases have been rising as officials lift restrictions and children begin to mingle.

Children’s Mercy Kansas City had nearly three times as many R.S.V. patients as Covid patients late last week, while Texas Children’s had nearly 1,500 positive R.S.V. tests in the last 90 days, hospital officials said.

“That has created a dual surge,” Dr. Versalovic said. “Because both viruses are widely circulating, we’re seeing a much greater impact.”

The combination of R.S.V. and Covid has pushed Children’s Hospital New Orleans to capacity. “We haven’t had an empty bed in any of our intensive care units in six weeks,” Dr. Kline said.

It is not yet clear when children under 12 may be eligible for vaccination, but in the meantime, experts said, the best way to reduce the danger to children, and relieve the stress on hospitals, is for older children and adults to get vaccinated, which will help curb Delta’s spread.

“The safest way to never find out whether Delta is more aggressive to children than the original strain is to really enhance vaccination,” Dr. Malley said.

There are lots of similar reports. But there are no scientific studies yet. So there is NO MEDICAL ADVICE either, unless medicine is now a matter of he said, she said.

In the US, Pfizer is planning to submit its 5-11 yer old vaccine trial data this month, and, all going well, it will be approved by December. This is as much practical as it is biological given they need to work out dosage given kids sizes, stronger immune systems etc.

The likelihood is that the US will be vaccinating small kids by Xmas. In Australia, ATAGI is so slow that it probably won’t be until Q2, 2022.

So, the vaccines for kids are probably coming, and in a timeframe that more than justifies keeping borders closed for those that have kept the virus out.

But they are not coming in a timeframe that suits the Morrison psychopaths, given they need to call an election by May and are desperate to avert any “Morrison recession”.

By early next year, there will also be waves of vaccine boosters needed for the elderly and infirm. You see what’s coming, right? A gigantic scab grab for vaccines in short supply thanks to the catastrophic failure of Morrison’s psychopaths to manage basic health policy.

And that is what this is really about. QLD and WA can’t be allowed to sensibly keep their borders closed while they wait for ACTUAL MEDICAL ADVICE BASED UPON SCIENCE in defense of our smallest kids if it derails Morrison’s psychopath’s re-election chances.

Morrison’s flesh-eating lunatics are literally stalking your kids.

Houses and Holes

Comments

  1. Data from Israel, Florida, and anecdotal/video accounts of kids still recovering from COVID in hospitals does worry me. Data from the UK is still too soon – its only been a month or two for them (Israel been 6+ months). While they may be less likely that’s no consolation if it is your kid. There’s the rub – do you want to put your kid in that lottery? Most parents will say no.

    My problem with all of this is that the vaccine when considering potential variants probably a short term fix (6-9 months). We should use the effect it has on the R value (as short term as it is) appropriately; not leaning totally on it.

  2. pfh007.comMEMBER

    Huh?

    So the solution is to maintain a hardlock down while Delta is circulating until ATAGI approve a vaccine for children and some percentage (70, 80, 90, 100%…who wants to put a price on the life of a single child) of them are fully vaxed?

    That would be a hardlock down in NSW and Victoria to the middle of 2022?

    A doomster dream come true as the economy tanks, employment tanks, house prices tank, public debt explodes. It might all be worth it if the ALP can beat Scotty…..but that may be a bridge too far!

    Does that include shutting down playgrounds until kids vaccines are administered as kids in playgrounds spells transmission?

    While we are doing that could we also introduce inspections of children’s lunch boxes. Kids have a disturbing habit of sharing food and who knows what kind of anaphalatic disasters might be lurking. It only takes one peanut butter sandwich to take a life.

    • Who said shut down NSW and VIC? I said keep borders shut for those who do not have the virus. You’re fucked for distorating my words on something this important. Wash your mouth out.

      To be frank, though, even Doherty admits that lockdowns will be vital at least 30% of the time and likely more if we’re not to be overrun. So get over yourself.

      • WA and Queensland are free to keep their borders sealed for as long as they want and there is nothing that Scotty or his attack dogs can do about it. All he is doing is making the Premiers of those states local heroes.

        But it makes sense to try to maintain zero local transmission as long as possible in those states regardless of any special threat to kids, especially at least until high vax rates are acheived.

        And when it comes to a special threat to kids what is the special threat (beyond just that we don’t know if there is or is not a special threat) and if an unknown special threat to kids is such a critical reason for maintaining zero local transmission then that justification will be no less a justification in NSW and Victoria.

        How could you possibly ague to lift any restrictions in NSW or Victoria if the threat to kids is so high?

        There are plenty of people arguing that position right now and it is fair to ask them to confirm whether they mean that NSW and Victoria should stay in hardlock down until a high percentage of kids are vaccinated.

        • But it makes sense to try to maintain zero local transmission as long as possible in those states regardless of any special threat to kids, especially at least until high vax rates are acheived.

          Exactly. The Victorian and NSW media fail to see this – probably out of jealousy.

      • I have never posted on this forum, have watched for many years, HAH, you need to breath, take check of your situation before you post dribble.

    • In NSW and Victoria it is already too late, but there is no reason to force the other states to open up right now.

      “Long COVID” in children is between 2% to 14% based on a British study.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58410584

      However, that’s only 15 weeks. With the original SARS, one third of COVID patients in China experienced chronic fatigue for the next 20 years. (may be due to the treatment rather than the disease though..).

    • In the long term I suspect that will happen anyway if we open up – in fact the longer we open up the more likely the economy will tank with a few months grace that makes us let our guard down (my prediction – hope I’m wrong!).

      The economy is not separate from the people that participate in it – health and confidence are extremely important. Vaccines help, but they don’t seem to be enough against delta to get R below 1.

    • “While we are doing that could we also introduce inspections of children’s lunch boxes?”
      You don’t have kids do you.
      They already check lunchboxes. I’ve been told off by the school for dropping in a muesli bar that had nuts in it. The only time in 3 years. They noticed.

      “So the solution is to maintain a hardlock down while Delta is circulating until ATAGI approve a vaccine for children…”
      Or…we could just stop it coming in with quarantine and open internally?????
      Like we’ve done in this state for a year or two now…
      Maybe???

      • They already check lunchboxes. I’ve been told off by the school for dropping in a muesli bar that had nuts in it. The only time in 3 years. They noticed.

        Even if you go out of your way to find ones don’t have nuts in them, you’ll probably still get scolded because the big dumb rule is “no muesli bars”.

        Which I don’t really have a huge problem with because a) even the ones without nuts are often prepared alongside those that do (so could be cross-contaminated) and b) it’s hardly fair to expect teachers to take responsibility for knowing the ingredients of every muesli bar on the market.

        It can make preparing lunches a challenge sometimes, however.

        • Arthur Schopenhauer

          There’s a whole economy of bloggers writing about ‘bento’ school lunches. Lose the nut bar, gain the bento lunch.

          Capitalism’s creative destruction!

        • Sometimes I wonder how I made it through 13 years of school in the 70s and 80s without seeing a single student have a reaction to a muesli bar or peanut butter sandwich.

          • pfh007.comMEMBER

            Same here.

            Though a mate almost died a few months back when stung by a bee while riding his new motor cycle in country Victoria. Despite no past issues with bees he had a severe reaction and lost all vital signs seconds after pulling over.

            Very lucky that an ambulance was a few minutes away and they brought him back with the help of 2 epi pens.

            Needless to say we need a bee lockdown as they knock off a few people each year on motorbikes…or so the ambos told my mate.

          • Schools are a lot bigger now.

            More significantly, from memory, the incidence of peanut allergy has increased by more than an order of magnitude in the last ~40 years (from a fraction of a percent up to around 3%). Some other food allergies have increased even more.

            So whereas a kid with a peanut allergy in a school of 500 students in the 70s and 80s would have been unusual, today you’d expect to find 10-20 of them.

            It is not uncommon for parents to go and park outside a hospital the first time they feed their kids things like peanuts or shellfish, these days.

    • A doomster dream come true as the economy tanks, employment tanks, house prices tank, public debt explodes.

      I am coming to the realisation that debt is irrelevant.
      When did debt last do any damage?

      All this covid debt nonsense I hear “Oh our children and grandchildren will be paying the bill” What rubbish. How will they pay a bill and who will they pay it to?

      • Lord DudleyMEMBER

        The logical flaw in thought that you’re referring to is treating national debt like an individual’s debt. For a sovereign currency issuer, no-one knows the achievable debt to GDP limit. Especially when every other nation is doing the same thing.

        As far as I can tell, the only real potential issue is inflation, and for the last 30 years, deflation has been the problem for many indebted countries, not inflation. Maybe it’s time for Japan to start monetizing its debt?

  3. The QLD & WA (if possible and not seeded by COVID) approach is to keep the virus out until Dec. By that time NSW will be the guinea pig where hospital/ICU capacity will be tested. If things go relatively smoothly then QLD (and maybe WA) can open up with little problems given their population would have reached 80%+ vaccination however if the health system/ICUs in NSW is overrun then they will continue to try and keep it out until they can’t due to inevitable leaks. Given the Libs competence on COVID related matters so far I expect the latter eventuating.

  4. NelsonMuntzMEMBER

    My wife has secured Pfizer vaccination next week for our kids (aged <16) through her work (Vic DHHS). Those in the know are acting early and preparing for the coming tsunami.

  5. MountainGuinMEMBER

    Meanwhile Gladys keeps talking about the national plan to reopen but when asked about NSW modelling and clarifying her statement that Oct will be the worst month so goes vague and says there are heaps of models and they change day to day. So good to know the dated model underpinning the national plan is unique in terms of being accurate and steadfast while all other models are so rubbish numbers cannot be released for public information….

  6. How can it be morally acceptable to place children at greater risk to suit the vaccine preference of adults? Surely mRNA vaccines should be going to the under 18s, as it is all they can have, ahead of adults who can get vaccinated easily, right now!

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      Under 12s have a very different physiology to older humans. So there’s more caution with vaccines for that cohort, as the response and effects can be different to post-pubescent humans.

      Pfizer is running trials ATM.

      • Still there’s no data past the immediate short term for vaccines (where there is an unusually high number of adverse outcomes compared to every other vaccines that exists).

        Israel putting the third injection into people in 8 months. That’s after 6 months of warm weather in Israel? What’s it going to be in colder climates to keep the machine ticking over? Injections every two months, monthly injections eventually?

        What is the cumulative toll of taking these injections 3-4 times per year over 5 years or 50 years? We don’t know.

        It’s completely unprecedented to regularly inject 3-4 times per year, children included, a treatment that creates such a powerful response in so many people. A virus that was only discovered at the beginning last year is being treated with vaccines that have only been on the market for 9 months, only invented one year ago.

        • Just wait until they start giving regular boosters to pregnant women. I’m sure there’s no possible downside there. Not.

        • Mr SquiggleMEMBER

          I totally agree. As soon as this need for booster emerged, the vaccination strategy became a busted flush.

          there will be some people who sneak in their booster early. Some will get it on time. Some will get it later than they are supposed to. Some will just opt out entirely and say, ‘”I’d rather just get covid’.

          there is no way public health officials will be able to get a whole population lined up for booster shots, on time, every time.

  7. Frank DrebinMEMBER

    Palachook is as deranged as Morrison in my book.

    Rail against NSW, casually allow 100+ friends and family of NRL players into the state and then have the audacity to blame the Chief Health Officer for granting the exemptions. Who runs the bloody state ?!.

    • Judging her on the overall performance. Over the past 18 months – she has been pretty damn good at keeping COVID out. Probably why she was elected with a larger majority.

      Morrison on the other hand performance has been absolutely terrible – vaccine procurement, hotel quarantine, trying to do his best to infect Covid 0 states with the virus.
      He only needed to be semi competent and he would have been fine.

    • She certainly has a fetish for NRL
      Snap SEQ lockdown, turn the Dees around the tarmac and BNE, stop all community sport, but NRL could proceed.

      She probably thinks daylight savings curdles her milk.

      • Don’t quite get your persistent niggle about rugby league. Both league and ping pong are rubbish games played and followed by relatively few people. Just so happens I enjoyed playing league and I still get great entertainment from watching it (on mute). Don’t mind watching ping pong either. But what’s it to you?

      • QLD has a fetish for NRL, whether she likes watching or not is irrelevant. She knows how to keep QLDers on side.

        • Yep.

          Looking forward to Morrison admitting any of his mistakes. Maybe he’s just taking his time because there’s so many to choose from.

          • Frank DrebinMEMBER

            I wouldn’t be holding your breath but if you are going to use Scomo as a yardstick then best of luck !.

  8. Any truth to reports that the U.S. is refusing to help Australia source extra Pfizer. Would explain having to scrounge expiring doses from Poland and Singapore.

    • The Travelling Phantom

      Yep, they are hoarding it for their 3rd booster shots.
      When moderna arrives here it’ll be too late for vic and nsw

      • Isn’t the talk around Moderna for boosters?

        Which will be needed commencing January or thereabouts.

        25M doses, 15M arriving imminently, 10M in NY.

  9. Let’s get a sample of the alpha strain from last year and invite all the under-12’s to be infected with it. Hopefully, they will have very mild symptoms and the exposure to alpha will give them protection against delta (same idea as cowpox/smallpox).

    • Arthur Schopenhauer

      The virus is immune to wishful thinking.

      There’s no such thing as hope. Only what is happening, and what can be done within available resources to mitigate bad outcomes.

      What you are hoping for has no basis in reality. Grow up.

    • We need studies apparently. Data is insufficient even if it is early and seems to show no change in severity of the disease.
      When analysing numbers it is also best done in the complete absence of context of what the seasonal rates of hospitalisation for children from other infectious pathogens might be.
      Declaim anecdote (even when there is actually early data) but produce supportive anecdotes and cases as evidence bolstering your case where expeditious.
      Tie it in with Morriso and abuse anyone who takes issue.
      Basically we need to infect 10000 children with alpha and 10000 with delta and maybe 10000 with RSV as a control group and compare the outcomes to get a true grip on the situation.
      Ethics approval could be tricky but we need studies.

  10. Given vaccinated are as infectious as unvaccinated, if you go to pubs and restaurants when restrictions are eased, you will literally be complicit in the murders of unvaccinated children and condemning many to long COVID.

    You are literally evil if you choose to go to pubs and restaurants to spread disease and filth rather than take measures to protect society’s most innocent and vulnerable.

    The only solution is a complete lifestyle overhaul, learning to live with less.

    I hope that schooner or eggs benedict was worth it.

    • The country as a whole chose the wrong path forward too early. This is the price we need to pay if you live in NSW and now probably VIC too. We played around with travel bubbles and limited flights and we are now paying the price with lockdowns, future uncertainity and infecting our vulnerable.

      Its sad really. WA, QLD and other states that were successful in containing their delta outbreaks will now probably get it eventually. Its easy to protect international borders, its much harder to protect state borders especially if you border NSW.

      The big question for me was: How were people still traveling to get this outbreak get out (flight crew, etc). We should of had quarantine facilities months ago.

      • Unfortunately there was a lot of pressure from the ABC and the journalist class in general to “get the stranded aussies” back to Australia.

        600.000 arrivals between March 2020 and July 2021 was a lot of stranded Aussies.

        In reality the same chattering cosmopolitant class who loves open borders as much as big business were at it again.

        Working in their own interests and not the broader public interest in tightly sealed borders.

        • They’ve been very effective at controlling the narrative I must say. It seems almost obvious to me, but when I talk to others I realise sadly it does work. Asking the right questions in survey’s, focusing all the attention on one side of the argument with heartfelt minority stories, etc. If you are the only one with exposure you by default win the argument.

          The other thing of course is that they are relentless with the message; its in their own economic interests to be. Whereas any counter arguments are either too underground to be trusted (some are bad of course), or just don’t have the same exposure even if they are trusted which means the truth sometimes fades into obscurity.

          Truth sadly is the causality in all of this; and opening up is a big risk. It may pay off for them; it may not – either way both Gladys and Scomo are used to rolling the dice if the community pays the cost for failure instead of them.

          Everything about COVID has become political (vaccines, travel, rich Sydney vs poor Sydney, global vs local industry states, etc).

    • Frank DrebinMEMBER

      Why are parents taking their kids to pubs and restaurants given the high risk ?. They should be locked away in their homes until this virus magically disappears.

    • Lord DudleyMEMBER

      “Given vaccinated are as infectious as unvaccinated”

      This is anti-vaxxer bullsh1t and you are a liar who David and Leith would do well to ban. A comprehensive survey of the available data was posted on this site several days ago. The vaccines still provide over 50% protection against delta infection after 4 months. Protection against hospitalization and death are substantially higher.

      David and Leith… ban this lying anti-vaxxer.

  11. The psychopath and the doormat. A co-dependence if ever there was one.

    The Epstein and Maxwell of Australian politics.

  12. David WilsonMEMBER

    For all those that rubbish our slower roll out, this may be a godsend as it gives us the opportunity to learn from other countries mistakes thus we have saved many lives to date.
    Lock downs are bloody hard especially for private enterprises and poor buggers that become unemployed plus those poor soles that live by themselves and or in difficult circumstances with no friends etc.
    The government is in a steep learning curve with new harsh lessons being learned each day and generally they have done well other than Red Dan politics that killen 800 Victorians because of disgraceful policy and implementation failures.
    We are all learning as we go and must break out of lockdown ASAP with more jabs available each day and an additional 4 million coming our way within weeks it just pisses me off that those with protected government jobs still get their pay rises and never loose a buck whilst others suffer and the economy slowly heading backwards.
    Let’s hope this is all sorted in the next few months so we can get back to normality and so the governments can start addressing our huge and growing debt problems.

    • so we can get back to normality and so the governments can start addressing our huge and growing debt problems.

      They normally don’t address the debt problem.

  13. Ailart SuaMEMBER

    The best thing anyone of any age can do in the face of covid19, is get rid of the excess fat around their gut, cut their sugar and sodium intake and exercise for at least 20 minutes every day. It just blows my mind that this wasn’t drummed into people 12 months ago. Absolute stupidity and gutlessness from Australian governments and their so-called fucking health experts as one could imagine. Too spineless to face the music that they’ve sat back on their big fat arses for the last 40 years and allowed Australia to become the second most obese country in the OECD.

    I’ve read reports that state 78% of all US covid hospitalisations are people who are either overweight or obese. Well, we’re the next fattest OECD country after the USA. Anyone read, or heard what our statistics on obesity relative to covid hospitalisations and deaths?

    https://www.axios.com/bmi-obesity-severe-risk-factors-covid-19-cdc-063fb142-234c-4654-98b1-de357fb8df87.html
    https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33673078/

    • It truly is a disgrace.

      For whatever reason, our government, media and medical experts have become a one-trick-pony.

      Vaccines, vaccines, vaccines.

    • Yes, far better to close a large proportion of possible physical activities and have everybody at home eating Cheetos.