ABC loons delight in “American carnage”

Via the ABC’s number one CCP sympathiser, Stan Grant:

This week’s insurrection in Washington has been shocking but not at all surprising. It’s part of a long deep unravelling of America.

The angry mobs storming the Capitol building reflect a broken country where tens of millions of people have traded the American dream for American carnage and no longer know what truth is.

American politics, business and media have been complicit in delivering the US to this moment.

The sad scene of a country that billed itself as a beacon of democracy — always contestable anyway — now tearing itself apart has also revealed the hypocrisy of those condemning it.

Former president George W Bush says it is a “sickening and heartbreaking” attack on democracy. America, he says, resembles a “banana republic”.

But this is from a man who pushed the idea of Saddam Hussein possessing weapons of mass destruction as a pretext for the invasion of Iraq.

His lies led to more than 100,000 Iraqi deaths, upturned the Middle East, setting off unending conflict, and cost the US $US2 trillion.

Bill Clinton says the attack on the US Capitol building is fuelled by four years of “poisonous politics” by Donald Trump.

This is Clinton who as president disgraced the White House, perjured himself and became only the second president to be impeached; Donald Trump became the third.

While Trump pedals his conspiracies of election fraud, remember Hillary Clinton told Democrats there was “a vast right-wing conspiracy” trying to destroy her husband’s presidency.

America has always teetered on the edge of collapse

American political leaders have been playing loose with the truth, deepening partisan divisions and whipping up anger amongst their supporters for decades.

Trump has exploited sick politics: from Richard Nixon’s Watergate lies and corruption to Bush and Clinton, the road leads to Donald Trump.

The President’s dangerous delusions and his crazed followers should remind us that America has always teetered on the edge of collapse: a nation born in crisis and awash with bloodshed.

Let’s not forget it was created by revolution, torn apart by civil war and has seen presidents assassinated.

The 1960s were marked by violence, revolt and political killings and they lit the fuse for division and tribalism.

America is locked in a perpetual culture war, lacerated by class, race and faith.

Political writer Michael Cohen traces today’s malaise to the election of Nixon in 1968, a time he calls a “maelstrom”, a violent whirlpool of disorder.

Americans formed battle lines, shouting each other down over black civil rights, gay equality, family values, gun laws, abortion or feminism.

That year revealed a deep cleavage among the American people and it profoundly reshaped politics. The Democrats lost the white working class that was captured by an increasingly conservative and religious Republican right.

Trump didn’t pretend to govern for all

Trump was right when he said: “This country was seriously divided before I got here.”

At least presidents before him paid lip service to unity. Trump has never pretended that he governs for all.

The country was ripe for his brand of political opportunism: us-versus-them populism feeding on fear, anxiety and exploiting racism.

He was a Barnum and Bailey political circus act made for the 24/7 media age, where “truth” is a matter of opinion.

Journalist Matt Taibbi in his book Hate Inc says the news media is addictive and anxiety inducing, pitting people against each other while often failing to hold power accountable.

The big cable news broadcasters, he says, are politically partisan, each speaking into their own echo chambers.

Little wonder Americans have lost faith in truth and trust in institutions.

Growing inequality has fractured the country, with the working poor left behind while power and wealth are concentrated in the hands of what has been dubbed an “American meritocracy”.

The financial crash of 2008 left the country poorer and deeply scarred; ordinary Americans lost their homes and their jobs while rich bankers got bailed out.

Research by economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton reveals a shattered America of broken families, drug dependency, increasing suicide, declining wages or no work at all.

To these people, they say, Washington politics “looks more like a racket”.

A return to politics as usual is not enough

Trump will soon be gone from office and the Democrats will now control both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

Joe Biden has an opportunity to deliver change to America but nothing he has said thus far gives us any confidence he can reverse 40 years of drift, despondency and disillusion.

After the mayhem of this week, all he has had to offer is the same old platitudes of coming together and respecting the rule of law.

This crisis demands more than Biden’s appeal to decency and consensus. A return to politics as usual is not enough.

America appears as a nation that refuses to be governed. Some have called the events of this week an attempted “coup” or “sedition”, and there are those fearing a wider conflict.

Time to break up the union?

So where to America? It could always disintegrate; fracture and break apart.

In his new book Break it Up, writer Richard Kreitner says: “There never was any guarantee the country would survive, and there is none now.”

Kreitner reminds us America has always lived with the threat of collapse. From the start, there were those who believed even then the union was too big to hold.

It survives by compromise and when that failed in the 1860s Americans made war on each other.

Today it is a country whose electoral college system can ignore popular will, whose Supreme Court is politically stacked, where power is held and passed around like a family heirloom.

Kreitner says there is too much at stake for complacency. He says Americans “need to recreate” their country.

The constitution needs an overhaul. Congress doesn’t work, the House is not truly representative and the Senate has too much power.

The country’s deep inequalities are destroying the promise of America. It must redistribute wealth and reach back to those left behind.

Kreitner’s book is not a call for an end to America but a warning about how it could end. After this week it is timely and sobering reading.

He quotes one of the founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin: “We must indeed all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

Franklin left Americans a gift and a curse: “A republic, if you can keep it.”

America is not going to break up. This is the fantasy of an anti-American loon.

In the history of American progression, last week’s skirmish was a barely visible nothing as the nation voted out Trump and his crazies in both houses.

Get it? Trump is in his death throes. The Dems now have the policy traction to keep him out for eight years. He’ll then be 84 and very likely dead.

That is not to say that American divisions are not real. They are. But where the Republicans go from here is anybody’s guess. Trump’s cult of personality is immense. His demise will seriously dent the movement of his various loons, and offer the chance to the Dems to recapture its traditional base. The US just lurched dramatically to the left not right.

Riven by race, class, populist, libertarian and authoritarian grievance politics, the most likely scenario is that Republicans spend the next decade in the wilderness trying sort themselves out.

Some kind of collective hysteria has taken hold of the global left on this. A dark fantasy in which their long-held anti-American intuitions have come to imagined fruition in a self-congratulatory conflagration of narcissistic drivel. Perhaps it’s the last outpouring of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Take a Bex and lie down, Stan.

David Llewellyn-Smith
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  1. “The Dems now have the policy traction to keep him out for eight years.”
    Yes, and No.
    What united the internal differing ideology of the Democrats (and half the Republican Party!) was their determination to oust Trump no matter what it took.
    With him gone the disparate parts of the Democrat Party will likely turn their attention to each other and in all likelihood rip that Party apart; as you rightly suggest the current Republican one is doing.
    All the Republicans have to do is – stand back and watch.

    • +1. Trump phenomenally effective at uniting his opponents. If he can somehow stay around, he could give Biden a stick to bring the left with him. If not, then with such fine margins Schumer and Pelosi are really going to have to earn their money to keep their troops working together.

  2. Imagine being alarmed at sustained attacks on fundamental Governance institutions, including by the very people who are supposed to be ensuring their success. Obviously must be hysteria. 🙄

      • David … yes and no.
        Riot in itself killed few, and therefore appears small on the surface, but Trump wanted the election result overturned. Tried to pressure Senators, sent the mob … a failed insurrection does not deserve mercy because it was incompetently executed.
        So the item of significance to the arc of history is what happens from here.
        According to Wikipedia, in the Munich Beer Hall putsch in 1923, Hitler was wounded, 4 police officers dead and 16 Nazi party members dead. Hitler was convicted of treason and sentenced to 5 years imprisonment, serving 9 months.
        Minor thing in the sweep of history, no?
        While Trump is not Hitler, the point is that (1) proportionate sentencing for outcome instead of ambition leaves a precedent that attacking the Govt is not all THAT serious, which must be avoided at all costs and (2) the right kind of economic and social conditions for this kind of uprising need to be defused as a matter of urgency.
        So I don’t agree your minor blip in history sweep argument, but I do agree the need to reinstate opportunity for the American working and middle classes that have had an awful time of globalisation.
        Finally, in my view Congress is the prime injured party, and they are the ones who need to set the consequences for the action. Impeach Trump, hold Senate trial and convict, even if he has left office. And then vote to disqualify him from public office. They need to demonstrate why no future President should commit such actions. They cannot afford a soft precedent.
        After that, there should be enough material in respect of a variety of people to keep a few lawyers fed for a while …

    • His long winded questioning including pre-empting of interviewees replies (often wrong) is too annoying to watch. He doesn’t get that his views are not the point of the interview.

      • True. A lot of journalist across the board seem to have this thing of asking a question and before allowing the other to answer, then add a qualifying post-amble thereafter. It is really poor journalism and an inability to ask straightforward questions (to get straightforward answers).

      • innocent bystander

        can’t control his ego.
        I am recording the Tim Minchin interview – I hope he puts Stan in his place but I suspect he is quite a polite fella – just his writings/lyrics are superbly acerbic

        • There’s something creepy and false about Minchin. Put on some eyeliner to get in with the Triple J crowd, and then grow that into an ABC profile.

          • innocent bystander

            I find there’s something creepy and false about pretty much all actors/entertainers/look-at-me types …

          • my toranaMEMBER

            that’s because they’re your alter-ego, innocent bystander.
            how cynical can you be about a person, Chase. ‘get in with the triple J crowd’. I think Minchin’s proven he has this thing called talent and has very little interest in crowds.

  3. ‘a self-congratulatory conflagration of narcissistic drivel’

    Love the style, DLS.

    I hope you’re right-but you may be a bit overconfident about this one. It’s not the lunatics in the Capitol that are a worry–it’s the 45% of Republican voters who support them, or the 75% who think the election was rigged. That looks like a seriously fractured consensus, and you don’t have to be left or right to be worried about it.

      • my toranaMEMBER

        I agree with DLS, it was a handful of the 70 million Trump voters there and perhaps that’s why the security services stuffed things up. even then, they didn’t really want to enact a coup because essentially they love and respect American democracy. there was mob behaviour and some dangerous weirdos but essentially it was beyond their wildest dreams to get to wander around the Capitol, they never thought they were going to get in. Not to discount that if i was Pence I’d be pretty frickin pissed at Trump. And Trump did incite them.

  4. Perhaps the plan all along was to rend the US into irreconcilable tribes so as to create a permanent disunity which is far less threatening to nefarious forces seeking to divide and conquer. Neoliberalism in the West doesn’t like to be cast into too much scrutiny…..that might make the natives restless and unmanageable.

    I’m certainly not the first person to suggest such a possibility- however remote it’s likelihood- but sometimes it’s worth contemplating in fresh context every now and again ?

      • “Hence perhaps the push for ‘multiculturalism’ in Australia and elsewhere in the West?”

        It has been their agenda to create division amongst societies by mixing culturally incompatible races so no consensus will ever be able to be had.

  5. sydboy007MEMBER

    Riven by race, class, populist, libertarian and authoritarian grievance politics, the most likely scenario is that Republicans spend the next decade in the wilderness trying sort themselves out.

    Ah, that sounds more like the Democrats. The republicans seem to have moved very much to the “left” in terms of no longer caring about race, sexuality etc. Republicans seem to only care about will you work within the laws and procedures of the country, or not. Will you let me live my life how I see fit? I see far more racism from the left than I do the right, including in Australia.

    The Democrats lost so many house seats they barely have a majority there. They only have a tie breaking VP win in the senate.

    The working class poor in the fly over states will be looking for a new populatist to get behind, if they don’t just give up on the votiing process since it appears to be broken to them. It’ll be much harder this time, because the tech oligarchy and MSM will do everything in their power to crush the rise of someone who is an outsider to the swamp.

    Then again if Trump wanted to he could fairly easy start his own “patriot” party and take much of the Republican voter base with him, though someone would need to manage his social media account and keep him on point. Trump might stay around and reshape the republican party to be a more centrist populist party. He could easily help to primary a lot of new blood into the party in 2022.

    To have an Obama esq orator who doesn’t want to go aroudn the world droning weddings would be awesome, but there’s no one I can think of that could break through. The visciousness of the media makes it so anyone who’d do a decent job would have to be crazy to go throguh the ordeal.

    Wonder what the Cop kamala will do when she’s the president? Blacks don’t like her because of her disgusting abuse of power as a DA.

    She was a major fund raiser to bail out the mostly peaceful protestors over 2020

  6. Mr SquiggleMEMBER

    Stan Grant is full of hate and resentment. It infects his comments on most topics. I normally switch off when he appears on my telly. For some reason, I read this extract from start to finish and it has just affirmed me views of him.

  7. Trump is in his death throes but his base won’t suddenly swing to the left just because you wish it so. The democrats are going to deliver four more years of the same. The Trump loyalist loons will be pushed out of sight and out of mind and someone else will step in and fill the Trump shaped void, except that person might be more intelligent and hard working and thus able to do more with them.

    Stan is spot on with these lines.

    “Joe Biden has an opportunity to deliver change to America but nothing he has said thus far gives us any confidence he can reverse 40 years of drift, despondency and disillusion.

    After the mayhem of this week, all he has had to offer is the same old platitudes of coming together and respecting the rule of law.

    This crisis demands more than Biden’s appeal to decency and consensus. A return to politics as usual is not enough”

    David, I’m not seeing any real insight in your comments on this, just blowing raspberries at other press and decrying them for hyperventilating. If you think Biden’s policy platform is going to turn this around let’s hear your great rebuttal that explains why we should all take a xanax and lie down. As it is I think you’re so used to being contrarian that its leaving you looking naive on this issue.

    • Ok random troll.

      Both houses give Demz chance to MMT their arses off In a public investment boom and deliver real wage gains. You’re not going to spend time 8Chan if u can go out and make a good living.

      This is the beginning of change for the better. Of course it’s not the instant cure but it is the right medicine and with eight likely years in the WH has scope for real change.

      The reason I’m chastising the globalist left is they are largely responsible for creating this situation in the first place and now it is here all they can do is bleat about the fallout instead of taking some responsibility for hollowing our their own working classes and handing them to the radical right.

      Culture wars are pure poison from both sides and the shift back to class politics is THE vital change to ave the US.

      Sure it may not succeed but it’s much more likely to bring the nation through than yesteryear’s Wall St Chinese outsourcing drive.

      Hence last weeks historic change was not the rabble, it was the blue wave.

      • Thanks for the response. I agree with you what should happen, and it would be nice if it happened that way, but it won’t. There’ll be some initial stimulus passed but very soon the Republicans are going to rediscover their hypocritical alarmism at the deficit and will block spending at every turn. Biden has to keep every single Democrat senator on-time at all times to get anything passed and the Republicans won’t work with him. Then in two years the Democrats will lose the House in the mid-terms.

      • sydboy007MEMBER

        You can’t be serious you believe the Democrats are banging on about the class war? All they talk about is race.

        “Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian, and Native American owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild.” — President-elect Biden

      • Yes, David the historic issue is the huge vote for Biden exceeding that for Obama,

        I put the next alternative for the future, a third party, a middle taking voters from the Republicans and the Dems.
        and that this causes panic in 2022 and 2024 to the existing Dems and RinioRepublican parties.

    • kierans777MEMBER

      +1 for the most balanced comment. Even if the Dems do MMT their arses off, I suspect the banks, Wall Street, and all the usual players will try to control the outcome so they benefit at the expense of main street. It’s the American way after all, plainly seen with all the QE that’s been sloshing around for over a decade.

      Stan’s written a lot of drivel lately but this piece is actually one his better ones.

      > The US just lurched dramatically to the left not right.

      No, they went a step to the left. Biden is still pretty right (by orthodox definitions not the currently skewed Overton Window)

  8. Mainstream media reported peaceful chanting anti-mask protesters at Bondi Junction Westfield as ‘storming’ the shopping centre.

    Mainstream media, including the ABC, go for sensationalism.

    It is sensationalism that is driving the covid hysteria that governments are being overzealous about.

  9. Surveys show clearly, that ordinary Australians trust the US much more than China. As well they might. Grant is typical of left-modern figures in this country, being perfectly confident he knows much better than ordinary Australians.

  10. Grant is one of the most self-importantly pompous idiots in the country. I can’t stand his smug bloviation and never pay any attention to anything he says.

  11. The facts are that these people exist and they have big numbers and they are willing to break the law. You think there aren’t some potential leaders out there who are more intelligent and charismatic than Trump who might be looking at this as a huge opportunity?

  12. Reality is, is that the rioters won that battle. And they know they won it. They stood down when Trump told them to. I originally thought it was a one-off thing and it would be all over once Trump left. But I think this success will now allow for greater recruitment. I think it’s escalation from here. Where it ends, who knows?

  13. The democrats seem to me a coalition of outsiders. When all you are about is demolishing the base of the structure you inhabit, what happens when you win?

  14. I remember the ABC cheering the WTC attacks 20 years ago. The Australian people are the same. Karma is going to be a bitch.

  15. UK Variant of the Chinese Virus

    I still think it’s quite a stretch to blame the riot on Trump. At worst he encouraged a legal protest.

    The BLM riots on the other hand were actively encouraged by democrats in Congress, Kamala Harris encouraged people to donate to the rioters bail fund.

    To me that’s total sedition to encourage rampant, violent criminality and destruction of property.

    • Then Trump should’ve called for a protest somewhere else – not where the count is taking place. He knew the odds of chaos were high (he’s not THAT dumb). Good thing (for him) that he doesn’t have a conscience, or he actually may feel some guilt for the pointless deaths. Actually that Qanon nutter ex-air force lady who was shot dead has made thousands who were thinking of someday storming the halls ever again think twice. Now that is a shame, as I would love to see a real revolution against the politicians take place some day (regardless of who is in power at the time).