Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Reddit + - Watch US Presidential debate live By Unconventional Economist in US Economyat 12:07 pm on October 23, 2020 | 154 comments About Latest Posts Unconventional EconomistLeith van Onselen is Chief Economist at the MB Fund and MB Super. Leith has previously worked at the Australian Treasury, Victorian Treasury and Goldman Sachs. Latest posts by Unconventional Economist (see all) Weekend Reading: 21-22 November 2020 - November 21, 2020 Retailers anticipate solid Christmas sales - November 20, 2020 Final auction clearance rate strengthens - November 20, 2020 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Reddit + - YOU MAY ALSO BE INTERESTED INUS virus deaths launchSadly the pandemic is about to enter its nextFox News not fake enough for El TrumpoThis is a classic for the Murdoch haters outEl Trumpo siphons cash from election defence fundEl Trumpo doesn't miss a trick. At Reuters: AsEl Trumpo sore loser tantrum spreadsSo far, US institutions have done well. But there Comments NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:14 pm first punch landed by Trump. Aout how Joe makes his money. bskerr2 October 23, 2020 at 3:20 pm Trump destroyed Biden, great debate, Biden slips up, Says he wants to shut down entire US oil industry, I get the feeling he didn’t mean to say that, then at some points checks his watch like he wants to get out of there, he also didn’t answer very well and I loved how Trumped kept saying do nothing Jo, you had 8 years, you did nothing DSSMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:24 pm Debates expose so much re people seeing what they want to see. I thought it was yet another pretty even debate, which is a win for Biden. I dislike them both but again I felt the moderator was a bit more biased against Trump with regards to preventing Biden from having to respond to certain difficult questions. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:17 pm lol That’s obvious. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:19 pm and now Trump has an opening if he is smart to take it. Joe said “I am going to shut the virus and not the country” – I wonder how can he do that. Comon Trump ask him. migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:21 pm Transmital rate 😂 RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:21 pm Pretty clear Trump has no plan for Covid. Hasn’t since day dot, nothing has changed, no vaccine is coming, and he has packed SCOTUS to repeal Obamacare and leave 20m+ uninsured in the middle of a pandemic. Biden is right: Trump is all tip and no iceberg. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:25 pm no one has a plan for covid. You realy think Joe can do what he said? He just said he can shut the virus but not the country. If you beleive that then I have a bridge to sell you. Seriously. RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:27 pm Biden’s not planning to rip away health insurance to a group the size of the Australian population in the middle of a pandemic. Fresh off getting jacked with the best healthcare in the world, he seeks to deprive millions of even the basics. What. A. Guy. Curious October 23, 2020 at 12:38 pm Yes Trump is a piece of work. He gets the best of care but for everyone else …. some of you are going to die, but thats a risk Im prepared to take. It is what it is. PeterMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:45 pm Spot on. bskerr2 October 23, 2020 at 3:26 pm Biden is playing to rip away the entire US OIL Industry, and it’s the Biden’s who to pack not Trump. Love how Trump started to include all the dodgy dealing of Hunter and Jo’s Brother. And yet another Biden biz partner just came out live saying Jo new everything, he has 3 mobile phones and other evidence that he is going to hand to the FBI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiiSq7toqlQ There is also now a link to Kamala and the laptop somehow may now have a money laundering link. Hunters other x partner, the one in jail who many say was the full guy for the Bidens just gave access to 26,000 emails to show he’s not guilty and that the Bidens are guilty. DNI director John Radcliffe just came out and also said there is no Russia links to that laptop that was handed into the FBI in Dec 2019. Biden is screwed. DSSMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:36 pm It’s not getting the traction you think coz I think even most Trump supporters know he’s not exactly squeaky clean either. Curious October 23, 2020 at 12:30 pm Noone has a plan for covid? Australia doing fine now. US has been wilfully stupid under Trump. Just doing basic things gets it better. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:36 pm we were lucky. If Scott was calling the shots we would have been worse than US and the only thing we would have been alowed to do about covid would have been to pray. RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:38 pm At least when you rock up to hospital here, the first question you’re asked is “what’s wrong?”, not “do you have insurance?” NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:41 pm Robot – your last comment has nothing to do with how things would have play out if the religious lunatic had it his way. Nothing to do with how many infections we would have been dealing with. RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:46 pm Yeah my apologies I misread your remark about what we’d be able to do here. Agreed that Morrison was completely off with his assessment and early intervention by state premiers was the key to our response. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:37 pm let’s see if EU locks up again the way they did last time. MountainGuinMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:51 pm Yes Donald doesn’t really have a short term plan but what I took away from Biden is that he would not do shutdowns but would seek more social distancing and more mask wearing. Given the high levels of infections and the skepticism folks have for govt instructions, both are really pursuing a policy of letting it rip and hoping for minimal impact until a vaccine appears. Neither is showing leadership IMO. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:54 pm about right. Just to add it is impossible to implement proper distancing with Mericans. ColMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:27 pm Trump just smashed him on wall Street. And he us right. He doesn’t take their money. This is what you trump haters can’t come to term with RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:30 pm Trump is a stone-faced conman who ripped off tens of millions with his “Trump University” that had about the same credentials as a YouTube video. He should be in prison. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:34 pm I am not arguing against that. You are probably right but he should share the cell with the Big Man. Djenka October 23, 2020 at 12:35 pm So you’re saying that if someone took money say from Ukraina peddling influence, should go to gaol? Just saying… Burisma RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:39 pm lol. Just like #Obamagate, a scandal looking for proof. Djenka October 23, 2020 at 12:43 pm Hey, at least you’re laughing! It is not the evidence that is problematic, it was drowning the investigation that is indicative… NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:44 pm but Russia, Russia, Russia is not a scandal loking for prrof. WHile clean evidence on a hardrive with Hunter snorting coke and under age girls emails discussing how get how much from the cake is scandal looking for proof. lol RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:47 pm Let’s pretend (for sake of indulging this ridiculousness) that all this stuff about Hunter Biden is true. Or even half of it. So what? Djenka October 23, 2020 at 1:08 pm “all this stuff about Hunter Biden is true. Or even half of it. So what?” Can we apply “So what” to the other “non-Biden” guy RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:10 pm No because he’s the one actually doing it. Who does he owe the $400m he is personally in debt to? America should know who has leverage over their candidates. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 2:29 pm lol.. stop it. After she/he said that, I realised I wasted 5min I’ll never get back. ColMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:57 pm Conmen dont deliver. Trump has delived an economy running at full tilt before the virus. He has taken action on china. He has started less hot wars than any president in memory. Once again your tds has made you wrong wrong wrong. bskerr2 October 23, 2020 at 3:27 pm Biden will lose, he did very poorly in that debate, migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:45 pm He’s already a billion in debt to them… ColMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:06 pm Mig you know or a least you should that wall Street was totally piss of with trumps china tariffs so much so that they are financially supporting Biden. If trump is really the devil himself then why do you need to tell lies and use hyperbolic statements to discredit him… Its because you hate the idea of Trump and not what does migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:31 pm Why do you? It’s clearly there in taxes I) and he hasn’t put any of his own money in this campaign II) “Trump Has Contributed Only $8,000 to His Campaign” https://politicalwire.com/2020/10/21/trump-has-contributed-only-8000-to-his-campaign/ DSSMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:07 pm Wall Street are just backing who they think will win. HoodyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 2:12 pm Operation Warp Speed? SwampyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:34 pm A lot of commenters here would benefit from listening to this https://samharris.org/podcasts/218-welcome-cult-factory/ GavinMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:52 pm Yeah I’ll have a listen. Rorke's DriftMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:12 pm Did you listen? What if you offer a few key takeouts, maybe a subject matter and we’ll see. Torchwood1979 October 23, 2020 at 12:38 pm Still a mess of two old men pointing fingers at each other over who is more corrupt. I can’t take this anymore! Bye kannigetMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:41 pm Its no longer a contest of who has the best plan to run their country, its become a contest to show who is least effected by deranged president syndrome… MountainGuinMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:56 pm And both are losing this contest….. Torchwood1979 October 23, 2020 at 1:18 pm So I jumped back in. Trump “I am the least racist person in this room” Bye again. Ronin8317MEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:44 pm Policy aside, the way Trump talk over the moderator is simply rude. Djenka October 23, 2020 at 1:11 pm Sometimes it is the only way to deflect bias. Politeness can only go so much before it is stupid to be polite. Neville Chamberlain did not know that migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:46 pm “having a good relationship with foreign leaders” Just the worst ones tho…. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:49 pm he will win. He’s got beutiful health care plan. lol GavinMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:53 pm Lol given the average IQ of voters in the US I think he will win. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:55 pm what worries me is we are not far behind. GavinMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:20 pm Well we seem to embrace every US policy with open arms instead of thinking for ourselves. So we too are sliding backwards and the Turkeys here vote for Christmas. Jl2012MEMBER October 23, 2020 at 4:12 pm The average IQ in Australia is the same as the USA , 98. They are skewed lower by the bottom 15 %, i strongly suspect there median would be higher, than ours. drsmithyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 5:15 pm Nah, it’d be the same. kannigetMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:54 pm Yeah, one he developed by grabbing them by the [email protected]$$y China PlateMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:09 pm Who built the cages…….who Mig? migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:13 pm Who put the kids in them? China PlateMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:17 pm “fry ’em like bacon” China PlateMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:18 pm Did he just call him a foghorn GavinMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:21 pm He said he has a dog whistle as bit as a fog horn. Which I thought it was quite funny. China PlateMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:21 pm “you got nothing done” SpunkyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:43 pm Who dug the hole in the outhouse? You did, baby – you did Who put Whitey in the White House? You did, baby – you did, baby Keep your eye on things while I’m gone Keep a lid on things NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:57 pm now the important bit starts. Jobs. Mining BoganMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 12:59 pm He’s hypnotic, isn’t he. CCCP October 23, 2020 at 1:00 pm Gees, Trump is [all manner of badness] and should and deserves to lose BUT Biden is a terrible debater and just comes across as whiney. I would not be backing Biden too heavily. Trump could win this. RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:03 pm Biden doesn’t need to debate. He just needs to show enough functioning neurons to not off the rails, leave important decisions to experts, and not be Trump. So far he’s doing all those things. Make no mistake, nobody is voting for Joe Biden because he is bringing revolutionary ideas and a vision to the table. He’s just an inoffensive “I’m not the other guy.” CCCP October 23, 2020 at 1:08 pm Interesting point. Djenka October 23, 2020 at 1:13 pm “So far he’s doing all those things” Does he? You cannot see that blank look in the face (eyes)?? RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:21 pm Again: nobody is voting for Biden because he’s a visionary. Biden can do what Trump can’t and get out of his own way. Trump is the single most dangerous person to be in charge of a healthcare and economic crisis: not only is he disinterested and incompetent, partisan and fradulent; he is so blinded by his own ego that he thinks he is the only one who can solve the problem, will surround himself in people he demands kowtow to his opinion, but discard them if they try and wrestle the controls away to avert impending disaster. Djenka October 23, 2020 at 2:22 pm Again, I did not even imply he was a visionary (that would be outright silly), only that heis look is like a lost puppy, like that guy in the Twilight Zone episode “Where Is Everybody???“, like he can’t remember if he’s running for Pres or for Senate or… like he is tired and wants to sleep… Will Biden fix anything? Will not-the-Biden guy fix anything??? …. I do not care. Popliteal fossa October 23, 2020 at 2:41 pm Deadpan face, not blinking when talking – someone check his fuses SwampyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:01 pm What is with Americans’ fear of an Australian style system with universal cover + optional (cough not really optional in Aus) private for those who wish to have it? Genuine question. RobotSenseiMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:05 pm “Healthcare is not a privilege, its a right,” Biden said. “Everyone should have the right to have affordable health care.” “bUt sOcIaLiSm” I don’t know, America has some genuine fear of collective benefits that cover everyone. It’s a heavily-wired free-market thing I guess. SwampyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:25 pm Yes I noticed that Why can’t this be reframed as a universal healthcare – equity / fairness issue? Torchwood1979 October 23, 2020 at 1:57 pm They’ve tried. The right (including a large number of Dems) basically responds “But how is it fair to rip even more money from someone who has worked hard and been successful just to give it to someone who pays little or no tax and eats meth amphetamines for breakfast?” Edited to add: Anecdote – I had a neighbour who moved here from Texas and he thought Medicare was the greatest thing ever. But apparently it would never ever work back in the States, just because reasons (of which he couldn’t actually give one). The90kwbeastMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 2:57 pm Lets face it, the USA is a country full of selfish people, selfishness and capitalism go hand in hand. GavinMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:25 pm Yeah socialism …. What I’ve found is that Americans don’t like paying into a system that they don’t perceive benefits them. If someone without a job gets sick and needs healthcare and costs tax payer money they feel they don’t deserve the tax dollars because they are a bum without a job. Same with College they want people to pay their own way, but what they don’t realise is that by contributing a small amount into a system like healthcare, is like insurance you do it because 1 day something bad may happen. Not because it’s funding the unwashed to exploit it. American society is very much about the individual, about self, not about the greater good. They are like our Liberals on roids. JasonMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:16 pm Yet they love big expensive war machines which are of even less benefit to them. myne October 23, 2020 at 4:06 pm The benefit is the ability to project freedom into any lounge room in the world in 12 hours. Ronin8317MEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:35 pm Because it means less profit for the health care industry. maddzMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 8:25 pm @swampy you kinda answered your own question in the way you reflected on how private cover in Australia is not really optional. US is riduculously larger than Australia and costs of free healthcare are astronomical, for little return. Yes people dont live forever. If you have seen death, you’ll know no amount of free access to healthcare saves everyone. You have to comprehend the thrust of the US is about pioneers, about competition, incentives, free markets and liberty. You mandate healthcare and you turn that philosophy upside-down.. again for little benefit. There’s a difference between access to healthcare and the best in healthcare. You can argue what you like. Seems obvious to me but, that free access to healthcare undermines all the other more desirable behavioral qualities/objectives US is seeking to achieve. Like investing in geniunely new medical research. Besides US does have medicaid as a safety net. Plus philanthropy towards others in need is also more prevalent in US. In Australia we just expect the government to cover everything – we end up with paying for stupid private cover that isnt really optional as you say – but we’re happy with that cause we’re sheep basically. You outsourced the provision of care to government when society you live in has abandoned values of caring for others. Funny though, we then grandstand, criticise government and demand Royal Commissions to tell us what we should’ ve able to figure out logically ourselves. Hard truths. dam October 23, 2020 at 1:03 pm Good to watch a proper debate where the moderator is not in. Trump is pretty good (he must have been on something/Roid at the last debate with his covid, he was not thinking straigh then), Biden is struggling.The Biden family laptop story is extremely grave but too late as so many have already voted I still hope he wins but without much illusion. kannigetMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 6:13 pm Oh… The laptop dropped off for repairs at some back water IT repair shop that happens to be run by a Legally blind person who cant recall what the customer looked like….. and this person happened to give the details to a pro trump person who happens to be facing fraud charges…. dam October 23, 2020 at 7:46 pm Dodgy origin but who care, the emails trails have been confirmed by senders, Biden’s lawyers tried to get the laptop back and the Biden teams has never denied the veracity of the content.The FBI is on it/sit on it since dec 2019. it so bad you wonder if the Hunter did not want to burry the Dad bid for the WH on purpose.Go to Jail stuff kannigetMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 9:49 pm Which email is this? Which one is the incriminating email? Mining BoganMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:05 pm Did Joe just throw Obama under a bus? NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:06 pm what did he say? I missed it. Mining BoganMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:10 pm Joe was asked why he and Bazza didn’t get immigration sorted out in their time. He says they were slow to act, too slow, but this time he will be President and things will get done. DSSMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:11 pm Lovely irony from the president of the past 4 years. migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:12 pm Classic blowhard Trump “those Mexicans are all rapists and criminals” “Joe you really made it so tough on criminals in 1994 that was terrible” Who buys this crap? TrooDoh October 23, 2020 at 5:48 pm Fake News. Trump never said that all Mexicans were rapists and criminals. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:15 pm the killer punch keep landing – Why didn’t you do it when you had a chance? migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:15 pm Why didn’t Trump? Mexico isn’t paying for anything NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:18 pm he asked it few times over different policies. Not only Mexico. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:21 pm see, helanded the punch again. Joe will strugle to stear away as they discuss issues that have been there for many years. migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:17 pm Here we go Djenka October 23, 2020 at 1:18 pm Uh-oh, Sleepy Joe has worn off all the substance stimulants and his tongue begins to become knotted – Rudi Giullalalalni migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:20 pm Trump declares himself greater than Martin Luther King Junior. Should go down well. China PlateMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:22 pm “You gotta talk a minute Joe” Mining BoganMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:24 pm “I’m not sure if Joe knows what it represents.” Lol migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:25 pm “we have the cleanest air and water” tell Flynt, Michigan China PlateMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:29 pm But they have clean wind NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:50 pm and why Joe didn’t fix it when he was in office? lol NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:25 pm now is Joe’s moment – the envrionment. He needs to take it or he loses. China PlateMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:25 pm Pink bats….sounds like the bats are coming back SnappedUpSavvyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:26 pm jusy watched 30 seconds of biden….i’m out, don’t care who wins SwampyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:27 pm Jeepers he is funny to listen to The Donald. That comedian dude on YT who impersonates him is so on point. migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:29 pm Wind is very expensive and kills all the birds! NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:32 pm this is why I said this should be Joe’s moment but doesn’t look like Joe landed too big punches. Trump put him on the ropes at the end. Biden should have shined in this area. I am not sure how this is going to play out for Biden. migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:34 pm Trump, trying to save the oil industry in 2020. What a vision…. NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:52 pm no. Trump is trying to get re-elected. He doesn’t give a flying f for any industry but his own business. herpderp . October 24, 2020 at 1:59 am yeah and it’s fixed. airbnb toasted. hotels full. f**kyouguysimgoinhome! ps. derp! NikoMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:35 pm oh dear god.. Joe why on earth you want to say that. He fckd up now and Trump is right. Pennsylvania and Texas have been won. migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:45 pm No they haven’t. Those industries aren’t there in large numbers, it’s just wildcats and locals have never been that keen in PA, and Huston is not the demographic it once was… Mining BoganMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:36 pm Is this what the public holiday is for? maddzMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:36 pm Entertaining perhaps. But the debate means nothing. It is the ground game has mattered for months. Antifa is the only enthusiasm backing Biden. The Bernie bros, millennials, Never-Trumpers won’t show up to the ballot box. Ordinary people are now receiving letters to their homes threatening them as “Trump supporters” who should watch out post 3 November if Trump wins, and make sure your house is insured… is where it is at. US has seen Antifa is no myth, and has in fact burned cities down. US has seen the deep state spy on Trump as an alternate candidate. While MSM have relentless, shamelessly protected the Clintons, Obama (they fawned over him), Bidens, Epstein etc etc I’d be surprised if the threats work. Freedom and liberty, law and safety will votes for GOP down the ticket. Dems are crazy mafia-styled socialist mobsters enabled by the media. Deserve to lose bigly. migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:43 pm Literally hit every keyword in the Trump psyop bingo list. Nice, and good luck with that. Bloke October 23, 2020 at 2:52 pm Despite running virtually unopposed, Trump received a record number of votes for an incumbent in the GOP primaries – I believe more than even Biden did. Each month this year has seen record levels of gun sales in total and to first-time owners and sustained shortages of ammo. Everything Biden does when he pops out in public is staged for TV cameras to look like he’s drawing a crowd when in fact he’s speaking to not even a couple of dozen people. Trump packs out multiple rallies per day with tens of thousands of people. Massive enthusiasm gap. maddzMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:56 pm @migtronix you post a lot of out-there statements, no substance. How do you process what is actually happening on the ground? Should the lives of real people be threatened by one side in a democracy? drsmithyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 5:17 pm @migtronix you post a lot of out-there statements, no substance. Wow. maddzMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 8:41 pm And here’s @smithy looking to claim the year 3 comprehensive reading award. Keep on, keeping on @smithy. Bob Grude October 23, 2020 at 1:53 pm You have highlighted my rationale for a Trump win. With all the threats of violence and the media denigration towards anyone who prefers Trump to Biden the voice of the Moderate trump voters has gone silent. They won’t even own up to supporting him in the polls. I believe they are the real majority and the appearance of the blue wave is really just a very vocal minority with the MSM in tow. I’ll be handing out free pumpkin spiced lattes for the wokesters to cry into as a form of celebration if Trump gets a second term. The Traveling Wilbur October 23, 2020 at 1:36 pm Thank deity that’s over. migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:42 pm Cthulu bailed early on Totes BeWokeMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:40 pm Biden $1.45. Trump betting suspended. SwampyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:45 pm Really? That’s interesting. Ladbrokes still have him at 2.65 CCCP October 23, 2020 at 2:17 pm Can someone assist with this: Tab is taking bets on final electoral college vote numbers. Now the electoral college has 538 votes, and you need 270 to win. However you see this, it is going be close. Last time it was Trump 304 Hillary 227 and a handful to independents who got 1 each or so. Right now Tab is offering on final Trump votes 300-329 votes $5.50 270-299 votes $6.50 240-269 votes $12.00 210-239 votes $11.00 Why is this not a sure thing arbitrage wager? Even if you think Trump is definitely going to lose, take the bottom two only and you would clean up? What have I missed here? DSSMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:14 pm Coz he could win narrowly or even by a fair bit. I wouldn’t bet on this election at all. CCCP October 23, 2020 at 3:34 pm Yeah – I did some historical digging and see that it can vary wildly. In 1972 Nixon got 502 votes vs McGovern 17 votes (!) and that was AFTER the Washington Post had started publishing about Watergate. Reckon I’ll sit this one out and save my cash for Dan Murphy’s tonight Totes BeWokeMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:56 pm Back Storm instead. JasonMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 4:21 pm Nah, Panthers are specials. JasonMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:26 pm It’s not out of the question he gets less than 210. For what it’s worth, Sportsbet is only paying 7s on the 210-239 range so 11s looks good value. JustinC October 23, 2020 at 4:03 pm 538 has Trump favoured in states with 203 votes, so under 210 is certainly on the cards. DSSMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 4:12 pm I wouldn’t trust 538 on votes to that extent after the 2016 election. DSSMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 4:48 pm If you MUST bet I suggest at least getting better odds and some freebies from Odds Checker. Totes BeWokeMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 3:57 pm Sportsb was $2.90, then suspended, now $2.70. JasonMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 4:24 pm Betfair is 2.98 CCCP October 23, 2020 at 1:48 pm Gees ABC news is in full woke mode post debate Apparently you cannot be r_cist if you are not wh!te. Now Trump’s claim about being least r_cist in the room was patently ludicrous, but the idea that you cannot say that if there is a person of colour in the room is equally appalling. The commentators would do much better if they had a grasp of US history. The Trump claim about no-one having done more for bl_ck people since Lincoln would be shut down easily by mentioning leaders like JFK, LBJ or RFK. But it seems that that portion of US history is not taught in woke journo school. Just disgusting how light weight it has all become. Stan Grant might have a good local presence, but is way, way over his head trying to provide commentary on this stuff. migtronixMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 1:54 pm Or MLK… CCCP October 23, 2020 at 2:06 pm Agreed, but I was just confining it to elected leaders within the political system JC October 23, 2020 at 6:04 pm You should note LBJ was an avowed and known racist. He passed those reforms because he had to, not because he wanted to. kannigetMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 6:19 pm Still has done more than trump JC October 23, 2020 at 6:39 pm Totally agree, but Trump has done more than Biden or Obama. kannigetMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 9:52 pm Biden is a congressman…. He doesn’t get to make laws by himself….. They get drafted and the entire Congress votes…. their system is so screwed up It’s even possible you end up having to vote against a bill you like because the riders on the bill are toxic…. And for that matter, trump doesn’t make laws either … CCCP October 23, 2020 at 6:24 pm I am aware. But it was actually the 1964 Civil Rights Act which moved things much more than the other pieces of civil rights legislation of that era. Yes it was Kennedy legislation, but he rammed it through against the wishes of a lot of Texans. HoodyMEMBER October 23, 2020 at 2:15 pm Did Space get a mention? Had a quick long at the Artemis Space Program and it seems on par with JFK space program. JC October 23, 2020 at 6:03 pm I see a lot of nonsense on here: What has Joe Biden actually accomplished in 47 years in office? Calling Trump a white supremacist or racist is absurd and it is just a strategy by the Dems and their surrogates in media. The issue is people falling for it. BIDEN: – Passed a criminal bill in 1994 which has been responsible for incarcerating poor people (black and hispanic) in droves and many for non-violent offenses. – “If you don’t vote for me you ain’t black” – Said he didn’t want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle on the topic of desegregation and busing which he did not support. – Mentor in the Dem Party was Robert Byrd a former KKK member. Byrd acknowledged this and apologised for youthful indiscretions – so fair play. However, lets imagine if this was Trumps mentor? It should also be pointed out it is the Dems who effectively founded and supported the KKK over the course of their perverse history. – What has Biden actually done for the black community with 47 years in office? TRUMP – Passed the First Step Act. Actual Criminal Justice reform to undo what Biden helped usher in in 1994. – Music Modernisation Act. – Long term funding for HBCU’s – Actually wants more funding and training standards for police, because he understands bad shootings are usually down to crap training and not racism! The actual studies done support that there is no racial bias in unarmed shootings. https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force ^^ This study is by a black Harvard professor where the conclusion was that cops are more likely to shoot if you are white and not black. Called this the most surprising findings of his career! – Opportunity zones. – Actually curbing illegal immigration and enforcing the concept of a nation state. Illegals compete with black and legal hispanic immigrants for low paid jobs. Black could otherwise get these jobs and use it to gain more experience into better jobs. Trump became a racist overnight! He wasn’t a racist to anyone when he was gallivanting all over the NYC social circuit, appearing in TV shows like Fresh Prince, rap videos and other Hollywood movies OR getting invited to White House dinners by Barack Obama!!! What has Trump actually said or done that makes him a white supremicist? skippy October 23, 2020 at 6:14 pm Gezzzzzz …. its like watching cats chase the reflection from some reflective surface or light source around a room … CCCP October 23, 2020 at 6:26 pm Well, spin that Chicago school themed disco ball for us then Skip…. chortle skippy October 23, 2020 at 7:06 pm Are you suggesting I have or supported the Chicago school ever – ???? – you can search the archives of NC to answer that quire. LMMAO …. I’m in the MMT – PK sphere of sociopolitical economic thinking …. CCCP October 23, 2020 at 7:56 pm Yes, I thought you were a big fanboy. You refer to them so often. skippy October 23, 2020 at 8:29 pm In negative context … FFS I was pointing out the fallacies of the Milton share holder value meme years ago, et al. So that must be indicative of you mental and cognitive liabilities … please don’t project your dysfunctions on me. Kyle pin October 24, 2020 at 6:57 am He’s better at TV debates but it doesn’t matter. Everyone is over Trump.