One week in, Morrison’s recovery plan implodes

I wish it were hard to believe that just last week Josh Depressionberg announced a major tightening of fiscal support, the RBA put the stimulus cue in the rack, and the Morrison Government tried to bulldoze state quarantine borders in preparation for a rushed international opening to renew mass immigration and his favoured house price growth economic model.

But it’s not hard to believe because that’s how stupid our macro managers are. They can only hold one idea in their heads and this is it: boost the bubble whatever the cost.

Yet here we are one week later and the plan has imploded. Victoria has entered a state of emergency as the aged body count mounts. Plus, the kind of lockdown one would normally associate with martial law. Its borders will be shut for many months to come.

Likewise, QLD shut last week and WA has rebuffed the Scummo plan to infect it with the virus:

The Prime Minister wrote to WA Premier Mark McGowan on Saturday night to say the commonwealth would no longer participate in Mr Palmer’s border case.

But federal officials have already testified at a Federal Court hearing on the facts of the case last week.

If it comes to it, WA should point blank refuse and plunge the Consitution into crisis. Insisting it open the border is the worst public policy decision that I can remember.

Or maybe this is. Via The Australian:

The Morrison government is committed to helping Victoria fight its spiralling coronavirus infection and death rates but reluctant to give special financial treatment to one state because of the COVID-19 outbreak.

Scott Morrison and Daniel Andrews are due to talk on Sunday about Victoria’s move to Australia’s strictest pandemic restrictions on business, schools, public transport and movement.

The Victorian Premier will make the decisions on the restrictions and how they are enforced as well as when they will take affect but the Federal government has already signalled it will do what it can to help bring the infectious outbreak under control.

But senior Coalition ministers are wary of providing commonwealth financial assistance to Victoria above and beyond what has already been provided for all states and territories on a national scale.

While there are calls to extend the $340 billion JobKeeper and JobSeeker programs for Victoria, given the Budget assumptions the Victorian lockdown would have been lifted in three weeks, not tightened and extended, the Morrison Government is reluctant to single out a state for special assistance because of an outbreak.

How does crushing Victoria promote a national recovery?

Sadly for the nation, the Morrison Government is lurching hysterically from bullying one state to the next as its mad border opening plan is torn apart by the federation, eaten by the virus and shat out by an increasingly angry polity. Summarising the disarray makes the point:

  • VIC’s virus suppression is in danger of wiping the state from the map.
  • NSW is battling on with suppression but is on a knife’s edge permanently.
  • VIC will succeed with its Stage 4 lockdown, leading to the complete isolation of NSW with the virus so it will have to shut.
  • WA, QLD, SA and TAS are rightly sealed shut, enjoying life and loving their leaders.
  • The credibility of testing and tracing is seriously challenged and faith in quarantine is gone.

And we’re supposed to be crashing off fiscal support, getting nothing more from the RBA, unleashing loan defaults and opening the international borders, all in the next few months. This is fantasy.

The states are crumbling towards virus elimination by default while the Morrison Government chases its own suppression tail, making it more difficult. It should back elimination NOW. And fully fund it federally.

With determined leadership, we can all be virus free by November at the price of a little more federal debt that is utterly irrelevant and monetised by the RBA anyway.

Then the fortress economy can grow.

David Llewellyn-Smith
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  1. The Morrison government is very nervous about the implications of an eradication policy. Strict quarantine for OS arrivals is bad news for the population ponzi.

    • happy valleyMEMBER

      The ponzi is the total extent of its policy and it’s what its big end of town backers (and post-politics employer) wants delivered.

      • Yep, the big end of town are not happy with Scummo’s handling of things. Let her rip, they’re telling him privately.

        What’s the alternative? Tip another $200bn into the pockets of citizens, I guess. Poor Joshie will be blubbing at the thought ..

        • Tassie TomMEMBER

          I’m not saying “let her rip” is the right policy, but at least it needs to be seriously considered and discussed.

          Why should a heap of predominantly young, insecure workers lose their jobs, homes, and livelihoods to protect a few retirees and nursing home residents (who also happen to be their blood-sucking landlords)?

          Maybe they should, maybe they are happy to, but this is supposed to be a democracy and nobody has asked them. It’s just been forced on them.

          • The FNG.MEMBER

            Keeping the ponzi alive is what helps the old. Letting it rip helps the old. Some will die, the survivors stay attached to the ponzi teat. This brutal adjustment will help the young and smash the old. Why do you think the biggest “let er rip” advocates are old??

          • We’ll know the answer with hindsight- as always. Right now, policy makers are trying a little bit of this and a little bit of that and hoping they make the right decisions.

          • Those young people are reasonably likely to suffer effects decades from now.

            50% of SARS survivors had chronic fatigue a decade later – and other damage.
            ~70% of COVID cases have heart damage. Other organs are damaged in the process.

            Is it permanent? We don’t know.

            Is it worth risking a generation of partially disabled people who die in their 60s?

          • Tassie TomMEMBER

            @ Myne, I believe the risks and ill-effects to young people are being massively exaggerated by media embarrassed that they’ve been complicit in supporting the destruction of our economy for what’s turned out to be 1) essentially just a bad flu, and 2) too contagious for the destruction of our economy to have actually achieved anything.

            Now we’re essentially just “throwing good money after bad”, so to speak. What do the successful traders say? “It’s not about making the right decision, it’s about cutting your losses and getting out on time when you’ve made the wrong decision”

          • Tassie TomMEMBER

            @ Myne & DT15 – clearly you two are a couple of the privileged few who have not lost their jobs during this futile debacle.

          • scootytootyMEMBER

            It does suck a bit. I’ve just been released from a two week quarantine despite testing negative on four occasions. I was compensated $300 for missing 2 weeks of work. Meanwhile my retired parents haven’t taken this seriously and been driving around visiting family and said they’re saving an extra $1000 a month because they aren’t eating out as much. Not cool.

          • I know a COVID-19 long-hauler. The effects are massive and who knows where it is headed. They are a 35 year old, fit (well were fit anyway), healthy (no known underlying health conditions) and productive person. Five months on they are still flat on their back and quite useless. They can’t work properly and are a big drain on the health care system.

            If you put aside any of the health and social problems caused by COVID, just the long term economic risks of letting this thing run are going to be beyond what we can all imagine.

          • Modern Westminster style “Democracy” has nothing to do with asking the population what they want, or hadn’t you noticed. It is about the illusion of “representation”.

          • I am GrootMEMBER

            Everyone already got their vote in an admittedly flawed democratic system. Are you suggesting leaders should be holding referendums before they choose a course of action?

        • happy valleyMEMBER

          Yes, hard to take for LNPers and their big end of town mates that the spoils have to be shared with the poor, the other great unwashed and even small business?

      • But even if they succeed in a suppression strategy domestically the ponzi is still dead or terminal on life support. Hordes of migrants in quarantine and it won’t escape? Coal-d war with china yet they will go back to pumping our bubble? Poor Nepalese to replace rich Chinese?

        The bubble has popped, and any architecture they come up with to try and patch it up will fail

        • People won’t be able to come to migrate to Australia if they can’t afford the quarantine costs and don’t have a job to go to. Our recent immigration growth model is broken. Even with a vaccine for Covid-19 Australia will have high unemployment for years. New arrivals will not be welcome unless they’re cashed up and not competing for jobs.

    • That’s because he has no imagination whatsoever.

      Here’s an idea. Rent Kangaroo Island from the inhabitants. Pay them a good wage to go holiday anywhere else in Australia for a few years. There’s only ~5000 of them. At 100k/y each it’s only half a bil a year.

      The Island can land a 737/a320 and it’s ~30mins flight from Adelaide. There’s plenty of space that can support tens of thousands of portables if necessary. Getting the portables to the island isn’t impossible. Trains from all over the country stop in Adelaide, from there it’s a ship/ferry. Can drag one or two of the Tassie ferrys over for a while if needed.

      Then, you just have to set up a bunch of separated quarantine camps. Dozens of them. Thousands of portables in smallish clusters. Only a few hundred staff should be needed. Select them from the very young, willing locals, and the previously infected. Let the quarantined do things like bushwalking, and sports – within their groups. If they last 3 weeks with no cases, they’re good to go. If not, they’re about an hour from the Royal Adelaide.

      We can potentially be one of the world’s clean countries – which would attract a lot of people who want to escape the nightmare elsewhere. If we can manage it well, we’d be golden.

      • bolstroodMEMBER

        There are the disused desert refuggee camps that could be reactivated as quarantine stations.
        In the past quarrantine was like being in a prison bar the beatings.
        It ensured those quarantined were kept sperate from the rest of society.
        We have become over supplied with rights in the past decades, at the expense of obligations.

  2. This is a perfect insight into the situation. The federal government is such a weak link in our country (and Gladys). A few years ago I was one of those people who thought state governments should be eliminated, but I have very different views now.
    I hope you are right about Vic achieving elimination. I know there are some very strong anti-Dan feelings in these forums (and from at least one of our hosts), and oversights from his government have clearly been a factor in where we have arrived (but not the only factor by a long way), but wow is he trying.
    I want this virus gone and to live in a fortress for however long we have to. I think more and more people are coming to that realisation. We cannot risk letting this virus loose anywhere in this country ever again.

      • Plus 1. Stupidity and arrogance is not a good combination. Notice how his “trying” does not entail any ministerial responsibility, or any practical accountability. He is still pulling the wage of the most expensive premier in the country. He should be on the back bench, and his medical advisors replaced.

          • migtronixMEMBER

            1. Fire Andrews.
            2. Replace police with health professionals
            3. Replace the vicious bullying of the public with compassion.
            4. Replace the brutal repression of businesses with managed coordination of hygiene and reporting.
            5. Increase testing – A LOT! I don’t believe their BS 1.4 million tests garbage.
            6. Maybe actually do some contact tracing.
            7. Maybe actually use data science to help the community instead of spying on them.
            8. Start a fund to deal with the appalling mental health issues this jerk has unleashed to save old people.
            9. Tell old people the bad news.
            10. Execute Dan Andrews

          • Because he doesn’t pay off his supporters with public money and doesn’t reject ADF support because he doesn’t want to give them adequate PPE.

          • kannigetMEMBER

            1. Fire Andrews.
            Hey, Lets not try an dhide our biases at all.
            2. Replace police with health professionals
            Yeah, because as we know they are all just siting around twiddling their thumbs right now, despite all the claims that Victoria has reduced it health staff they are just playing patience and smoking pot.
            3. Replace the vicious bullying of the public with compassion.
            Which one is this? The one where despite asking people to stay home they didnt, and despite instituting fines they didnt actually issue them?
            Those bullying tactics..?
            4. Replace the brutal repression of businesses with managed coordination of hygiene and reporting.
            Karen from Bunnings and her lot prove that doesn t work, the outbreaks despite asking infected people to self isolate proves that doesnt work.
            5. Increase testing – A LOT! I don’t believe their BS 1.4 million tests garbage.
            So, Andrews is a bad premier because you dont believe their numbers? Where is you reasoning for the claim? Which reputable source informed you they are not actually testing?
            6. Maybe actually do some contact tracing.
            Oh, Again with they are not doing it coz I said so angle….
            contact tracing is only possible if people are willing to show where they have been and its only effective when people listen when asked to self isolate if they went to any of the locations the infected say they went. If we learnt anything from the stupid girls from QLD it is that people dont listen and wont listen. They ran all over south Brisbane after going to Melbourne. One kept running around despite being ill and getting tested.
            7. Maybe actually use data science to help the community instead of spying on them.
            Yeah, Nah.. Must be spying on people…. What data science are you referring to? the masses of it that has analysed the spread of contagions for the last 30 years and is getting ignored by the general public under he claims its all just a conspiracy to spy in me?
            8. Start a fund to deal with the appalling mental health issues this jerk has unleashed to save old people.
            While I agree with you about needing to deal with mental health issues much better, they were there before hand. Its why domestic violence is so prevalent, its why suicides are so high. Interesting that despite the bleating about domestic violence going up due to covid, the evidence I saw a few weeks back indicated its actually gone down. But then again that could just be due to other factors or misreporting.
            9. Tell old people the bad news.
            Which bad news is this? That we have a large portion of the population who think their right to eat smashed avocado sandwiches is more important then them living a much longer?
            10. Execute Dan Andrews
            Yeah OK…. you obviously have a bias that is preventing you from being even somewhat rational.

            I am not a huge fan of any of the political class but we are never going to get any decent people stepping forward for politics if we just condemn them all for anything we imagine is a problem regardless of any rational balance. When we behave like this we get the politicians we deserve, only a corrupt or incompetent person would front up to that.

          • migtronixMEMBER

            Domestic violence didn’t go down reporting did, guess why? The rest is just you thinking your say so is better. Its not.

          • migtronixMEMBER

            Your entire response is people are bad but they didn’t let the virus out of Quarantine. Dan did. And you ignore that.

          • Why is has no-one got anything on their list about taking action against the security firm that started all this? Sure Andrews hired them, he’s not alone in that pattern of behaviour, look at Morrison’s handpicked impartial gas led recovery board. Its just the game of mates for all to see.

            The security firm should be held to account for their part in all this.

      • Arthur Schopenhauer

        Look at the ‘talent’ on both sides of the bench. Whether you like Dan or not, there is little depth in parliament. They are doing the best with what they have got.

    • A few years ago I was one of those people who thought state governments should be eliminated

      WA has gas reservation. ACT has weed reservation. Vic has euthanasia reservation.

      No crime minister since 1996 reserved anything.

    • You had it the wrong way round – it’s the federal govt that should be abolished.

      They’re the ones that determine immigration policy and reap the rewards while the State govts get shafted and are left to pick up the pieces.

      • Yep. Totally. Perhaps the national cabinet that Scomo has started should continue. Just without Scomo.

    • @the Fall.
      @the Fall
      Agree Dan Andrews is trying and except for the quarantine bungle has done all he can despite interference and pressure from idiot Scummo. Fingers crossed we come out the other side of this virus free.

      For some reason replies to posts don’t appear where they should

  3. “WA, QLD, SA and TAS are rightly sealed shut, enjoying life and loving their leaders.”
    Dont think for a minute that we dont know it was a combo of luck and sensible management that left us in this good position.
    Australia’s luck was its remoteness that should have allowed us time to lock the international borders earlier on.
    WA’s luck was its remoteness within Australia that did allow us to lock the borders early on, after the east got hit first.
    But the sensible management was with our premier who locked down hard and quickly to our benefit now.
    And i guess thanks to the sensible peoples of the state who followed the distancing guidelines.
    So over here in the west we both commiserate with and fear whats happening now in Victoria.

    Scummo seems to change his tune depending on how the wind is blowing.
    250K and counting people have signed the petition to keep our borders closed. No politician can ignore that for long.
    I expect this is why Scumo withdrew from the court case supporting palmer.
    https://www.change.org/p/scott-morrison-and-clive-palmer-support-mark-mcgowan-to-keep-west-australian-border-closed?recruiter=1060179079&recruited_by_id=396ad770-6c9d-11ea-8979-c580e4c8204f

    After this i dont think the local libs can win the next election. McGown has something like 86% approval right now.
    Even if WA loses the court case people will blame the libs and they will get a thumping at the next election.
    And if the result is Covid turning up in this state on losing then god help any of the federal libs who turn up in WA in the future.

    • I’m too removed from WA to know the general feeling, but I would have thought that the libs supporting Clive Palmer may have woken up a lot of people. I suspect there could be a very long-term loss of votes for the libs from this.

  4. adelaide_economistMEMBER

    Here in SA the traffic volumes seem almost back to normal, the city is pretty busy (maybe back to 70 to 80%) of normal and it’s nice to feel free to go out without having to have a reason or wear a mask. If it’s a choice between lower wage growth (which we were going to get anyway) and relative normality and freedom or opening up to international ‘students’ and the migration tsunami so we can ‘lockdown’ again I think it’s pretty obvious which choice the bulk of the population will make.

    As for eradication, yep, that’s the goal regardless of what anyone says in public. I’d guess the smarter people have worked out that a society where people aren’t scared to leave their house or go to work is probably paying more taxes and conducting more ‘economic’ activity than one locked down while you bring in a bunch of foreigners. I won’t be surprised if there’s a breakout here thanks to all the Vics allowed across the border but outside of that, a resurgence here will be the end for the current State Lib government and I’m sure they are very aware of that.

    • I’d guess the smarter people have worked out that a society where people aren’t scared to leave their house or go to work is probably paying more taxes and conducting more ‘economic’ activity than one locked down while you bring in a bunch of foreigners.

      why do you think those two are the only options? We could have a society where people aren’t scared, they do normal things despite virus being present around them, same way we do with influenza, RSV, … that kill thousands every year

      eradication is just a fairy tale, look how one by one all successful countries are failing, even those dictatorships where government can do anything it wants
      three days ago Vietnam, the most successful one, had no covid death, now it has 5 with cases spread around the country
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-03/coronavirus-update-australia-covid19-da-nang-japan-cases/12516980#Vietnam

        • LOL
          and VIC until a month a ago, and Japan until recently, and Singapore for few months, and Vietnam until 5 days ago, and Uruguay until recently, … do you see a pattern?

          • Again remind me which of those countries 1) had a virus elimination strategy (as opposed to suppression) before removing restrictions and 2) not an island like Aus? I’m sure you can work it out doc.

          • C.M.BurnsMEMBER

            doc, Victoria had zero identified cases of community transmission, because as was documented publicly last week, they have a centrally run and staffed public heatlh team that has obsolete, paper-based processes and was horribly horribly (only 14 PHOs in the entire unit for the entire state) understaffed.

            NSW and the other states have very different approaches (org structures, processes and funding models) and more importantly, many many more people involved with public health including contact tracing

          • Just because you have people returning with C19 and entering quarantine, doesn’t mean there isn’t a comprehensive elimination strategy. It just means you are eliminating community transmission. Sigh!

      • Yes but we are only months away from a potential vaccine. Its incredibly lucky that this particular virus appears to be both easy to vaccinate against, and has a low rate of mutation. (Fingers crossed of course) And you should be extremely concerned about contracting this virus since a German study found myocarditis in 80% of people infected. Even mild myocarditis takes 3-6 months to overcome, and its not unusual for it to lead to permanent damage/arythmias/heart disease. Then there is widespread reports of neurological complications/brain fog effects which are ongoing, similar to suffering a mild stroke. Its not a case of getting sick and either getting over it or dying, its a disease with the potential for life long morbidity in significant proportion of victims.

        • Yes but we are only months away from a potential vaccine. Its incredibly lucky that this particular virus appears to be both easy to vaccinate against, and has a low rate of mutation.

          Is that the same virus that makes personal and herd immunity impossible?

          And you should be extremely concerned about contracting this virus since a German study found myocarditis in 80% of people infected. Even mild myocarditis takes 3-6 months to overcome, and its not unusual for it to lead to permanent damage/arythmias/heart disease.

          What you call mild myocarditis that takes 3-6 months to overcome gives people symptoms and can be diagnosed by electrocardiogram or X ray, … so not the kind that required MRI to find anything in this study LOL

          Then there is widespread reports of neurological complications/brain fog effects which are ongoing, similar to suffering a mild stroke. Its not a case of getting sick and either getting over it or dying, its a disease with the potential for life long morbidity in significant proportion of victims.

          Just like flu or RSV that none seems to be particularity worry about, …
          90% of population never even heard of RSV that kills hundreds every year in Australia, including large percentage of small children. Looks like those deaths and long term health effects is not worth preventing?

          • Still waiting for you to go and catch it for us and report back. If the risk and long term effects are overcooked, you should not have an issue catching it, right?

            Cheers!

          • I have at least dozen of friends in Europe and USA who had been diagnosed with covid. Some had just some mild symptoms, one had pneumonia but spend only two days in hospital.
            Many others suspect being infected but had no symptoms so none did tests.
            Some are in late 60s … not nearly as scary as our media is reporting. People are living almost normaly in many parts of the world that have much higher rates than Melbourne.

          • What you call mild myocarditis that takes 3-6 months to overcome gives people symptoms and can be diagnosed by electrocardiogram or X ray, … so not the kind that required MRI to find anything in this study

            Source?

          • 90% of population never even heard of RSV that kills hundreds every year in Australia, including large percentage of small children.

            Kills hundreds every year!!

            Once again, DrX, you are way ahead of the medical world. Researchers claim foolishly that there were only about 138 deaths between 2006-2015 from RSV, but you have uncovered thousands more!

            Dear readers, we have a genius in our midst! We are truly blessed.

          • Those are test confirmed cases. Tests for RSV are rarely performed while annually few thousand people
            (Some years up to 5k) die from unknown respiratory infections in Australia (excluding influenza). Some argue that RSV takes as many lives as influenza.
            Epidemiological studies done by CDC and others in USA claim around 15k RSV deaths in USA (only around 1k confirmed). We are 12 times smaller so you do the math.
            If we do as many tests and studies on RSV as we do for covid we would probably find some scary numbers.

          • Ah! So inspired guesswork, eh? Brilliant.

            I do find unsourced stats and claims somehow more convincing than sourced claims. That makes me the ideal DrX acolyte, I guess. Teach me, oh master!

          • Sources are clear. Chech abc deaths by cause ans look for unknown respiratory infections, unconfirmed respiratory infections, other respiratory infections…
            If not RSV tahn people were dying from common cold so it just makes my argument (that other respiratory diseases kill more people but we dont care) even stronger.
            Also how many confirmed deaths of RSV among children vs. Covid19?
            Those kids lives are not as important as elderly lives?

          • Sources are clear

            Yes they are, and they state that here in Australia we have about 13 confirmed deaths from RSV a year, which you have magically morphed into “hundreds” in an effort to press your case for letting COVID-19 rip.

            It’s called “sophistry”, as I told you before.

            If you aren’t already employed by the MCA, you should apply. They could use a man with your skillset.

            Oh, and BTW learn to tell the difference between deaths “associated” with a disease and deaths “caused by” a disease. 💡 Just because you had RSV when you died of heart disease does not mean RSV caused the death.

        • Display NameMEMBER

          The oxford vaccine is about to or has recently entered stage 3 trials. I read somewhere that 90-95% of all vaccines fail at stage 3. Still along way to go. Qantas is saying 2024 before they think international travel resumes at something like precovid volmes. I am betting they paid a bucket of cash for that analysis, so they know how many planes to mothball and for how long.

          • The two leading vaccines are revolutionary though, they simulate an actual viral infection, stimulating the TH1 anti viral immune pathway that produces t cell immunity. They work the same as a attenuated vaccines that are highly effective but are dangerous to immunocompromised people. Traditional antigen vaccines are highly problematic, with low efficacy and high incidence of auto immune side effects. Most fail in stage 3 because they don’t produce sufficient or lasting immunity. They instead stimulate the TH2 pathway designed for fighting bacterial infections.

        • C.M.BurnsMEMBER

          it’s most likely years away. From the company (Merck) that has singularly had the most success developing vaccines in the last 25 years (there have been 7 truly global vaccines and Merck produced 4 of them). They are as much as anyone, the experts. Their CEO was interviewed recently, I’ll take his expert opinion over your anonymous hopium.

          https://www.firstlinks.com.au/hard-dose-reality-check-vaccines?utm_source=Website Subscribers&utm_campaign=5aee1e95a2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_07_16_01_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_953154ac75-5aee1e95a2-83924701

          https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/merck-ceo-ken-frazier-speaks-about-a-covid-cure-racism-and-why-leaders-need-to-walk-the-talk

          • Merck CEO is a little behind on modern molecular biology. We can make individualized cancer vaccines now. CSL make 2 new influenza vaccines a year. Merck tech is old school.

      • Doctorx, I suggest you stop wasting your time trying to convince these people. They are in a state of hysteria and not even a tsunami of reason will not cause them to reconsider. We are truly in the twilight zone, where the world is bifurcating into a herd of hysterical sheep and the rest of us who are watching on in horror and disbelief as these sheep run themselves off the cliff, chased by a lion-shaped shadow cast by a poodle in unfortunate lighting.

        The number of undeniable facts in this world are a tiny proportion of all those claimed to be so, but one that has to be close to the “fact threshold” if not already well over it is that highly contagious viruses are, as you rightly claim, unstoppable. They will spread until they have exhausted the available hosts. And (just like all coronaviruses before it), they will come back in the future, whether in the same form or mutated.

        And even if a virus could be “eradicated”, the hysterical sheep drastically underestimate the long term costs and harms of becoming “fortress Australia”.

        Even the founders of Macrobusiness have lost the virus plot. It’s part of the reason I ceased my subscription.

        • It’s like the concept of a vaccine is lost on you. You don’t see people contracting smallpox and polio in Aus anymore. It’s psychopathic to seek 20k extra deaths when a vaccine is just around the corner.

          • Robert, your comment reveals how little you understand vaccines, let alone vaccines for coronaviruses.

            What a disgusting thing that you insinuate that I “seek” the deaths of thousands of people. What a sick mind.

            Let’s meet up and you can tell me I’m psychopathic to my face and see how it plays out.

        • Mate, totally agree with you!! Its funny how there also has been very little mention in the mainstream media or from medical authorities about eating nutritious food, getting sunlight, taking herbs, adequate sleep and exercise as well as finding ways to relax as simple things to maintain health. Its only lockdowns, ‘social’ distancing, masks and vaccines as the answer.

          • It’s a world going mad before our eyes, mate. The people who lived through the Asian flu (let alone the Spanish flu) would be appalled and disgusted at the mass fear and hysteria over a virus that is piss-weak compared to either of those outbreaks. They would be marveling at what led to the breeding of masses of weak and spineless minds.

            But this has been building for decades, IMO. COVID just was the straw that broke the camels back.

  5. “Policy Market [tm]” where only cash has purchase.

    This explains what laws pass and why none of the outcomes can be coordinated as public benefits: whatever the optics, the laws are to secure private cash flows for those who paid for them = because markets [tm].

    With that in mind – Dr. Robert Gallo on Vaccines, Plus the Democrats’ Campaign Strategy | Useful Idiots

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHvV81ZB-fk&feature=youtu.be

    With regard to the above you can start at 50:00 for an inexpensive and available short term fix till a vaccine is available or we can all wait for Venture capital and PE firms to dictate outcomes.

  6. If it comes to it, WA should point blank refuse and plunge the Consitution into crisis. Insisting it open the border is the worst public policy decision that I can remember.

    I also wish WA gets us into a huge constitutional crisis so we finally (either as a nation or separate nations) finally get a constitution that has something in it for the people, not just for wealthy and political elites.

    • Indeed. You have to wonder what would ScoMo do if WA is told to open the border, but doesnt?

      Send troops from Sydney to overrun the WA Police stationed on the border?

      WA will just ignore the court ruling and bide its time

    • C.M.BurnsMEMBER

      why would a new constitution written now provide more individual liberties and constitutional freedoms, when we have never been closer to a dystopian, orwellian society ?

      • Arthur Schopenhauer

        Like the GDR with its Stasi and mined razor wire border? You guys are a hoot. 😀

        • C.M.BurnsMEMBER

          “we” being Australian. Way to make an irrelevant strawman.

          the abuses of government and corporate power that we see now are becoming more brazen, more explicit and more overt,

          are being conducted by the same politicians, the same political parties and the same corporate entities that would all still be around if a new constitution was written. What makes you think that they would permit the common folk to get all uppity and demands greater constitutional privileges and protections ?

          • Arthur Schopenhauer

            Australian has an erosion of democracy, but we are a long way of some kind of Orwellian government.

            And, there is no ‘They’. Political life would be easier if there was.

  7. This is not Italy.

    Per your crack about wealthy and political elites below, unless your blind most of them would love to let it rip as you do, just look at the U.S.

  8. “Victoria will succeed with Stage 4”

    LOLOLOLOL.

    Maybe it is as simple as ScoMo is a realist and refuses to drink the Kool Aid. Going against the delusion that somehow through collective will, humans have now the magical ability (acquired in 2020) to stop disease and death through perfect compliance of a set of rules in perpetuity (which isn’t expected in any other criminal/civil law) in spite of thousands of years of human evolution requiring co-mingling and habitat.

    King Canute would be spinning in his grave!

    • Actually its not that hard if each family unit has only one point of connection with the outside world. Thats why this latest outbreak hasn’t responded, child care and schools were still open. And children are the ones most likely to be asymptomatic. First lockdown worked because they shut down schools. Zero chance without it.

      • Except for the part where once a virus tales a foothold it has never been done anywhere, ever, in the history of mankind.

        But sure, otherwise very doable.

      • yeah, that’s the way … so that one “point of connection” can go to shop once a week and bring virus home, than a week later go back to the shop and spread it to another single “point of connection”

        lock downs, no matter how hard, at best can only slow down (flatten the curve) the spread

        Even in the most famous case during spanish flu (Philadelphia vs St Louis) the city with hard lockdown at the end accumulated almost 70% of the deaths the first one had in a short period of time. If one included all the deaths and health problems caused by lockdowns the picture may have been even worse.

        • Tassie TomMEMBER

          Finally, somebody has used the phrase “flatten the curve” in its correct context!

  9. Arthur Schopenhauer

    Good summary David. One of the biggest challenges is creating the ‘fortress Oz’ economy. Key Federal Departments, the RBA and State Treasuries have been promoting and are reliant on, the population Ponzi economy.

    At senior levels, they have been implementing the Ponzi in an almost mindless way. Listen carefully to the Jolly Swagman’s interview with MacFarlane, and you get a sense of it.

    Nobody in Federal Treasury, the ATO or the RBA knows or believes in the basic industries necessary to keep fortress Australia’s supply chain working. Local manufacturing needs a huge injection of capital and skill. The foundation industries of ‘fortress Oz’ need re-establishment as soon as possible, or there will be a rapid descent into Cuban style subsistence economy.

    For example: There is one canned food plant in Victoria, but the cans are sourced from OS, the labels paper is made & printed OS and so is the glue. This is all basic stuff.

    As for Morrison, he believes in nothing other than his own lust for power.

    • Wework Is broke

      I think what you’re saying is we need a Make Australia Great Again policy and economic agenda that re-onshores manufacturing, become more self reliant, less dependent on globalisation and puts our own country first?

      • Tassie TomMEMBER

        No way! Factory workers are often union members, and we can’t have any more of that!

        • Arthur Schopenhauer

          As a basic Defense Policy, it’s important to be able to make stuff, independently.

          On a micro scale, the same applies to maintaining employment during a depression.

          • Tassie TomMEMBER

            I totally agree. I was just being facetious. One of John Howard’s achievements in gutting the Labor Party and what it stands for.

        • FFS It was Hawke and Keating who brought in the whole A$ float open capital markets – equating sale of resources and assets to foreigners with actually producing stuff. Party political stuff over this is just BS!! Howard and Costello just added fuel to the rocket that had already been launched.
          How is it that someone like Sweeper, who is both Left leaning politically and pretty obviously knows what he is talking about, post for years on this and NOBODY learns anything?

          • Arthur Schopenhauer

            Nobody is disagreeing that both Labor and Liberal are responsible for the cluster fvk of an economy.

            It just comes down to how could a pragmatic rebuild of the economy happen? What’s done, is done. How do we avoid becoming Cuba?

          • Tassie TomMEMBER

            Partly true, but remember that early in Howard’s reign Australia was exporting Holden Monaro’s (rebadged as the Pontiac GTO) to the USA and the Middle East.

            Howard’s strategy was simple: Shut down the industry sectors that contain lots of union members; thereby reducing union membership; thereby rendering the Labor Party directionless.

            Thanks Johnny.

        • You just went and di the same thing AGAIN!!!!! What has been worse than a GROSSLY over-valued A$ for all these years????? Over-valuation 30 to over 100%!
          That is at the core of the problem.
          Note that Libs et al were in favour when it was done as well. Keating was the bloke with the weapon at the time.

      • Arthur Schopenhauer

        No so much ‘Make Australia Great”. More like ‘Make Australia Less Fragile’. Baby steps.

      • Resign. That is Ministerial responsibility. Not continue to be the highest paid Premier in Australia. No accountability; he answers a few questions and then it is business as usual. The man is a proven failure there should be consequences.

    • + many.

      It’s a morale problem. None of the powers that be actually believe we can succeed on our own.

      And if we could, we would not need them, so it’s a moot point from their pov.

  10. Apropos of nothing, Gough and some mate of his spent the years before winning govt working out a suite of policies to implement once they would win… back then, in the 60s…

    • back then, in the 00s and tweens… Gough’s example was noted by Scummo’s lot, eg., they “spent the years before winning govt working out a suite of policies to implement once they would win…”

      Among their answers to the big questions… #42 stands out:

      “42 Introduce a special economic zone in the north of Australia including:
      a) Lower personal income tax for residents
      b) Significantly expanded 457 Visa programs for workers
      c) Encourage the construction of dams…”

      Others may suit:

      “60 Remove all remaining tariff and non-tariff barriers to international trade

      62 End all public subsidies to sport (hahaha)

      64 End all hidden protectionist measures, such as preferences for local manufacturers in government tendering

      68 Allow people to opt out of superannuation in exchange for promising to forgo any government income support in retirement

      69 Immediately halt construction of the National Broadband Network and privatise any sections that have already been built

      71 Reject proposals for compulsory food and alcohol labelling

      72 Privatise the CSIRO…”

      https://ipa.org.au/ipa-review-articles/be-like-gough-75-radical-ideas-to-transform-australia
      https://ipa.org.au/wp-content/uploads/archive/1345447840_document_be_like_gough.pdf

      • Arthur Schopenhauer

        It reads like satire! What a bunch of clowns. Totally disconnected from the lives of Australians.

        They could go for maximum efficiency:
        1. Fck over everyone except our donors.

        No other clauses needed.

  11. I think it is important to raise the mental health issues associated with all things covid. I live in nsw but we have had 3 suicides of year 12 students connected to people in my school in the last week. We would expect 1-2 a year, so three in a week is huge. These kids are losing hope and they don’t even live in Melbourne. I think the mental health fallout for young people could be as challenging a problem as the virus itself.

    • I have heard of an increase in suicides also from the brother in law who is friends with a police officer. I wonder if there is data on this we can view? It seems to be kept hush hush.

      • It can take a very long time to confirm suicides – can be up to 12 months due to the pace of the coronial process, but probably delayed under the current situation, and many deaths may not reach the classification threshold and won’t be included in the stats.

        • ^ this.

          Only anecdotal for now. Which no doubt the Our Resident Dr X will spin into MILLIONS .

          • apparently 13 from my year 10 have suicided. Newcastle, late 80’s. Father john denham doing time until he dies.
            Mental health issues are not taken seriously enough.

    • Go out in flames instead – douse yourself in petrol and light yourself up in front of state parliament. That will get the message through. Worked in Vietnam and Tunisia.

  12. In fairness to Morrison his job is to keep the nation whole.
    States sealing themselves off is a bit counter to that, so I sympathise with his predicament.
    On the other hand I’m in Western Australia and want our border locked tight against outside incursions so “internal lockdown madness” is not spread here to affect our daily lives.
    Is it not okay to look at a person and appreciate they have to deal with being pulled in many counter directions, and have to make decisions with imperfect information where there is no obvious choice that can fulfil all that is asked of them?

    I agree with extending income support measures as long as they need to be, but the only one who has failed so far during the crisis is Andrews. Given Morrison still has time to adjust future policy, he hasn’t really made any serious mistakes yet, and has time to alter the ones being written into the future before they occur.