Andrews is a disaster but Morrison is a catastrophe

Via a brown-nosing Australian:

Morrison wants to keep public faith in the system, to avoid partisan clashes within the collective state and federal leadership of the national cabinet and criticism of those leaders, as well as drive home the point that the commonwealth “has come to the rescue” of the states, particularly Victoria.

He also pointed to commonwealth offers of help that have or have not been accepted, and made it clear that he and premiers, including Andrews in Victoria, will be accountable for mistakes and failures.

The Victorian Premier wants to deal with the here and now of the pandemic while trying to avoid the damaging distractions of responsibility for Australia’s second wave and the extra national economic burden and to restore confidence in his leadership.

The other state and territory leaders are maintaining a disciplined unity with Victoria — offering all sorts of assistance, while trying to protect their people from the new coronavirus outbreak and prop up their ailing economies with border closures.

What discipline and unity? There is none and that is all Morrison’s fault.

No doubt, Andrews has buggered it up royally. Readers will know that MB would have liked to see the back of him years ago given his population-ponzi economy, treasonous foreign policy adventures and general disregard for probity. These failures led directly to his quarantine stuff up and the cover-up underway today that is killing him politically.

But Morrison has stuffed his job beyond belief. He has been behind the curve throughout the pandemic. Led by the nose by much more decisive state leaders, including Dan Andrews. He has resisted lockdowns, rushed reopenings and fiscal tightening plus convulsively promoted the same population ponzi of importing foreign students and labour from pandemic nations as soon as possible.

This despite commonplace quarantine failures in every state with only small numbers entering. Morrison’s reopening plan to bring in tens or hundreds of thousands of foreigners From pandemic epicentres had disaster written all over it.

Moreover, even as it became plain that the nation was Balkanising into virus-free and virus states, Morrison discouraged VIC from locking down and encouraged NSW to open up, effectively isolating both permanently from all other virus-free states.

Did Morrison think that once NSW and VIC denizens began to die then other states would happily volunteer their borders, perhaps swept aside by his own special magnificence? Clearly, the answer is yes since he supported the Clive Palmer attempt to bulldoze the WA border.

And has he learned the lesson yet? No. The RBA has the inside run on policy. From Friday:

Education exports are also an important component of Australia’s international trade. This includes spending by foreign students when they are in Australia, as well as direct revenues such as university fees. Many students did manage to get to Australia before the borders closed. So, unlike tourism, this component of services exports will not fall to essentially zero, but it has fallen significantly. We project that education exports will remain broadly stable over the next year. This expectation is predicated on the assumption that allowances will be made for some international students to arrive for the start of the 2021 academic year.

In terms of his own plan, then, Morrison’s position today is preposterous. He will now have to argue to fearful Australians trapped in their own states that they should grant free movement across the same closed borders to tens of thousands of foreign students with very high virus occurrence.

This infected hoard will have no responsibility or obligation to the country, exacerbating the risks of already failed quarantine. And why is it coming rather than studying online? To compete directly for jobs with 20% of Australian workers that are under-employed and to bail out a few ponzi-landlords

Nobody said managing the pandemic would be easy. But this outcome is ludicrous economically, pathologically, socially, and politically.

There was and is a better way. As thirty-five eminent economists made clear in April, it was better to not rush reopening and to support the economy fiscally. Whether we pursue virus elimination or suppression this remains true.

But the Morrison Government does not think in terms of “Australia”. What matters to it are the vested interests it needs to manage for political gain. Morrison probably doesn’t even know the difference. After all, he’s  a real estate and tourism marketing hack not a leader. For him, it all equates to a few basic Howard-era managerial principles:

  • run a tight(ish) budget to claim “good economic management” and drop interest rates as low as possible to boost house prices;
  • run mass immigration at full tilt via foreign students and cheap foreign labour to artificially boost demand and crush wages.

Obviously this trickle-down rubbish doesn’t work amid the pandemic. But Morrison is yet to realise it. He’s humpty dumpty with attention deficit disorder; a broken egg compulsively trying to glue himself back together again.

Australia now directly reflects this Morrison catastrophe, with a sundered federation, trashed economic recovery, persistent health risk, massive lifestyle disparities for the duration of the pandemic, and a building fury.

David Llewellyn-Smith
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  1. Of course Scomo is to blame, that’s why the Murdoch press and any member of the Federal government who can get a journo to listen to them are finger-pointing at Dan like he’s a witch in Salem.

    I’m very surprised Dan hasn’t thrown that moron of a health minister under the bus for the quarantine fiasco. Big of him to claim responsibility – clearly he has a Plan B to shoot Scomo down for his role in not nationalising the quarantine approach.

    Quarantine, aged care, PPE and poorly planned fiscal stimulus are all Scomo’s fault.

    If I wanted to commit suicide I’d climb his ego and jump to his IQ.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      Scomo like Trump are merely symptoms of a systemic disease that !nfects the entire world

      From links,

      “ There will still be good jobs, and you’ll still be able to lose everything in a few months if you become seriously ill.

      But when those people who are hanging on go out in the streets, they’ll see, even more than now, the fate that awaits them if they slip.

      So much of American meanness, and the culture is mean in the details of its daily life, comes from this fear. Because it is so easy to slip into the underclass, even if one “does everything right”, Americans are scared, even terrified, all the time. They suppress it with massive amounts of drugs (most of them legal), and most deny it, but the fear drives the cruelty.

      In the Great Depression people became less cruel, not more. They say that the idea of meritocracy was absolute bullsh!t the richest people in society had fvck Ed up, good people wound up in poverty, and merit had nothing to do with who had how much.
      I hope this is what will happen in America this time. I fear, instead, it will lead to even more cruelty. Instead of saying “we should make sure everyone is taken care of” and instituting universal health care and good wages and a non-punitive welfare system (whether a universal income or some other way), Americans will instead become even more cruel out of fear of losing their place.

      America is “undeveloping.” It is moving from being a developed nation to being an undeveloped nation.”

      https://www.ianwelsh.net/america-is-about-to-feel-like-a-3rd-world-nation/

    • If i want to test space rocket I’d shoot it from the base of his IQ and hope the rocket has enough fuel to reach his ego

    • GunnamattaMEMBER

      Cracking read from Stephen Bartholomeusz this morning which goes to the nub of some of the side arguments everyone wants to get into

      Health versus economy trade-off isn’t a solvable equation
      https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/health-versus-economy-trade-off-isn-t-a-solvable-equation-20200808-p55jvq.html

      In particular note…

      While some view the dilemma confronting governments around the world as one of dollars versus morality, there isn’t any clear evidence to conclude that viewing it through either lens would produce either better economic or better health outcomes.

      Donald Trump and others may have argued the cure shouldn’t be worse than the disease but the renewed outbreak in Victoria, whether it’s a “second wave” or an acceleration of the first, underscores the reality that, until there is an effective and widely-distributed vaccine, there is no cure for either the virus or the economy.

      And for mine that is why we are either aiming for eradication (and making decisions on whether that is actually possible or not). The economy – as we knew it only 8 months ago and have known it for a generation – is Dead, is Kaput, is floating face down in the pool with the crows of fate landing on the bloated carcass for a free feed. It will not be back anytime soon in any form, and will not be back as it hitherto was ever.

      The game from here is to build a new economy. The only way to build the new economy is to nail the virus. Either nail with a vaccine (which may or may not be possible/practical) or nail it with a societal management approach built into everything we do.

      In the absence of a vaccine, is the Victorian experience likely to be the norm, with economies veering continuously between cautious reopenings and then hard lockdowns and is there an alternative to Victoria’s harsh response to the surge in its infections?

      The obvious reference point is the much-discussed Swedish strategy. The Swedes didn’t impose a lockdown, instead advocating voluntary social distancing, bans on large gatherings and table-only service in bars and restaurants.

      There have been about 6000 deaths attributable to the coronavirus in Sweden and its economy contracted by 8.6 per cent in the June quarter.

      The economic impacts weren’t as severe as those experienced elsewhere in Europe – Germany’s economy, for instance, shrank 10.1 per cent – but they are very similar to those of its Nordic neighbours and the death rate is about four times that of Germany’s, about 10 times Denmark’s and nearly 25 times Norway’s, countries where the restrictions on activity have been far more stringent.

      That would suggest there isn’t that much difference in the economic costs of doing little to contain the virus or adopting strong measures but there is, however, a very large disparity in the health outcomes.

      This is the reason reason I think the ‘let it rip, and carry on as we always did’ crowd is living in utter lala land.

      Sadly I think our Federal Government – ScoMo and Josh Depressionberg foremost amongst them, is holding out this weird mirage of ‘we arent that far from ‘normal’ ‘ if only those idiotic Victorians had their act together. That the Victorians have cocked up I dont think anyone can disagree, but at the same time I do find myself wondering if Andrews resigning would be the right thing to do by the Victorian people if all it were to lead to were the introduction of a Liberal government at the state level – with not one skerrick of sense anywhere that a Victorian Liberal government would deal with the day to day exigencies of handling the risk of Covid 19 any better, and tonnes of evidence to suggest that their playbook would be either a lot like the ALPs and some evidence it would be worse [with a penchant for some form of austerity for main street while bailing out vested interests].

      It is this last point – the vested interests – which underlay Australia’s almost unique predicament. Those vested interests have shaped Australian politics and economic policy for a generation. Both sides – ALP and LNP.

      Between them they have, inter alia, created a situation where a nation which now needs to invest in itself and encourage meaningful investment in its economic activities finds itself with:-

      The worlds most expensive real estate (thank you real estate lobby and banks)
      The worlds most expensive university courses (thank you university lobby)
      The worlds most expensive energy (thank you gas producers and the monopoly controlling Australian gas pipelines)
      Amongst the worlds most expensive people (thank you RBA and banks for nailing the AUD to the roof for a generation)
      An economy wedded to low productivity mass immigration (thank you immigration lobby, with a real estate lobby, large inward facing corporates lobby, and banking and university lobbies singing backing vocals, all duly reported on unquestioningly by Australia’s totally sold out media lobby)

      My take from here is that Australia is going to have to cough up some of those vested interests, and that for mine is likely to become fairly obvious in the lead up to the next federal election. And I tend to think as it does that there are likely to be lots of howls of protest, and a fair bit of instability (regarrless of how the virus management is going – which I dont think will be smooth).

      Finally I would note his prophetic final paras…….

      A six-week or even three-month lockdown appears preferable to the long-term damage done if there were a rolling series of reopenings and closures. The health and economic outcomes don’t appear, from the evidence to date, to be conflicting priorities but rather inter-dependent.

      Setting aside the moral questions, sustainable economic growth, even at a pandemic-reduced level, can’t be achieved unless the virus is sustainably contained, whatever the immediate economic cost.

      Someone had best see if they can get this idea into ScoMo and Josh real soon

      • migtronixMEMBER

        “That suggests that even when the hard lockdown of Victoria ends, there will be an ongoing reduction in economic output and not just in Victoria. As the Victorian experience has also demonstrated, at this point in the life cycle of the virus, infections can be contained but not to the point where they are eradicated”

        Its going to zero. “construction is the lifeblood of our economy” – that’s your amazing premier tripling down on utter failure!! There’ll be giant holes to nowhere no-one uses because – what they don’t recognise in the article – who will want to stay in the worse of all states when they’re unemployed anyway? People in Perth can do whatever they want and their economy isn’t really picking up – hellbournes will be toast.

      • Has the writer of that article considered that the Sweden/Denmark/Germany comparison isn’t very valid at they are all at different stages of being done on the health front, just one saw the advantage of being done quickly on the health front? Rather than a slow bandaid rip over a longer time to come to a similar health outcome but worse economic. It isn’t a footy scoreboard that will always be a correct score.

        A test cricket match must blow their mind.

      • PalimpsestMEMBER

        I started reading the comment, then realised how sensible it was and scrolled back up to check who wrote it. Ah yes.

      • Gunna, pining for the revolution that will never come – at least not with the outcomes you may prefer.

        • GunnamattaMEMBER

          Dunno how to tell you this 3d but i suspect your side is egging the revolution on far better than i could do.

          Everytime i see ScoMo on screen i find myself wondering if his advisors have told him not to grab the hand of anyone expressing a desire to not shake his hand…… .

          And then, when mulling over all the issues he a Josh have on their plate – from the budget to universities to China to the Population Ponzi and on – i dont think i am alone in wondering at what point the public mood becomes white hot and goes off like a bag of ammonium nitrate in a shed……… and Josh has that new to welding feel about him

          Though i do understand the whole idea of coughing up vested interests would be viewed with concern from your end

          • No one wants a revolution. Most punters want Covid gone, jobs back, opportunity to socialise, house prices to remain stable or better, opportunity for their kids, understand vested interests have rights too – everybody wants to protect their patch, happy enough with ScoMo ie want a return to normalcy, warts n all, because mostly, normalcy works!

          • GunnamattaMEMBER

            Most punters want Covid gone, jobs back, opportunity to socialise, house prices to remain stable or better, opportunity for their kids,

            …..and the sooner they twig to which vested interest is holding that aspiration to ransom, the sooner we can sacrifice a vested interest (or two or three) after maybe having roasted them, and their parliamentary representatives, in the glare of a public spotlight.

            That should assuage the revolutionary urge for a bit

          • GunnamattaMEMBER

            Well from my end of the pitch it would appear ‘corporate power’ is a vested interest which could do with some roasting a sacrificial experience…..

      • “This is the reason reason I think the ‘let it rip, and carry on as we always did’ crowd is living in utter lala land.”

        With respect, in my analysis that’s where you (and the article your statement relies on) make subtle yet important error of data analysis.

        Please study the Sweden situation further and you’ll find that the Swedes made some critical mistakes (which they openly admit to) in handling their aged care facilities, resulting in a lot of avoidable deaths of aged care patients.

        This accounts for the bulk of the difference in the stats between Sweden and its immediate neighbours.

        Once accounting for this, the arguments against the Swedish approach fall away.

        Bottom line: Because this virus appears to be at least an order of magnitude more hazardous to the elderly and comorbid, when assessing the success of various jurisdictional policies you have to account for the regional demographics and the quality of management of the elderly population in that jurisdiction, otherwise risk drawing exactly the kind of false conclusions that you did (but it was the article you relied on that led you astray).

        I’m a Legal Metrologist (look it up) and can state categorically that the world is awash right now in terrible analysis of the statistics. From the senior government advisors all the way down, there are very few who get the data analysis right. It’s not a subject you can do a few google searches on and expect to be able to analyse and draw useful conclusions from the COVID stats.

        Besides all that, the central argument of the article you refer to is, to put it nicely, poor. Comparing dollars and deaths is just silly. The proper process is called Total Harm Minimisation. Implicit in this approach is the recognition that there are adverse outcomes no matter what path is taken, and the goal is try and identify the path with lowest Total Harm. And of course, it is never precisely clear how to quantify harm, but robust debate around this goal (of THM) would arrive at a “best estimate”. In terms of death and disease, you start with the well established metric of YLL – Years of Life Lost. Actuaries are all over these kinds of measures.

    • “”I’m very surprised Dan hasn’t thrown that moron of a health minister under the bus for the quarantine fiasco. Big of him to claim responsibility – clearly he has a Plan B to shoot Scomo down for his role in not nationalising the quarantine approach.””

      But, but, but …. Gender equity mate …. gender equity!!!

  2. You leave the good people of the Balkans alone! They didn’t produce Scummo. Abbottabad-Murdochracy did.

  3. 30 nurses from WA have volunteered to travel to victoria to work in hospitals and nursing homes to provide relief.
    And they do this knowing they could catch covid.
    It beggars belief that with what people in this country have sacrificed or put on the line to deal with this the china disease, that scummo will put everything at risk by bringing in diseased foreigners that have no loyalty to australia and risk more waves of covid and more deaths. all so he can restart the population ponzi and keep his mates in filthy lucre.

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      Randomly picked volunteer citizens working for free would do a better job than Morrison and his mob at running the country

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        +1 Parts of the media, the bankers and the rest of big business basically run the country and SFM is just the current LNP puppet sitting in the chair. And let’s not forget that SFM is happy clappy and isn’t one of their dicta supposedly that anybody in strife (eg unemployed) probably deserved their fate?

      • Display NameMEMBER

        You could replace cabinet with 457 visa workers and get much better outcomes for the average tax payer and a lot less BS

      • bolstroodMEMBER

        +1000
        We will have to give it a go at some stage.
        Politics by lobby group is a complete failure.

      • Arthur Schopenhauer

        +1 Ricky Muir did a better job than any Lib or Lab hack.

        Maybe Senators should be a random selection from Citizens between 18 and 75.

    • billygoatMEMBER

      It beggars belief the narrative, , changeable nature, (Dam lies) & statistics & general preposterous BS made available to public via media, TV news & commentary and ‘The Socials’ that folk choose to believe, buy into and repeat as nauseum to themselves and others….I saw it on TV therefore it must be true. I did not see/hear it on TV therefor it must untrue therefore Con $$$$$$$$$$$$ Piracy…..aaah Maties hoist the Jolly Roger we’ve got some mind RAPEing & pillaging to do

    • Who cares. Surely Victoria has enough nurses. Probably want a little excitement given the Covid fizzer here in Perth. No doubt they will have have time for a dance routine on TikTok.

      • There are more than a thousand healthcare workers in Victoria wit covid. Your tone implies disposable people, disposable nurses, staff, and medicos. Disgusting. Australians used to skin in the game, too much importation of foreigners, too much foreign media with dance routines courtesy China and we have a dogs breakfast much of it rotten.

  4. https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-live-victoria-qld-nsw-covid19-updates/live-coverage/6112b8febb0cf51b6b5a73b74257af04

    A nurse who reportedly worked at Melbourne’s quarantine hotels says those in charge of the program were more worried about appeasing guests than infection control.

    The nurse, who did not want to be named, told the ABC that some guests were given extra “fresh air” breaks and took advantage of the increasingly relaxed system, threatening to self-harm if they were not given allowances to leave their rooms.

    She said a suspected suicide during the first two weeks of hotel quaratine may have unnerved the Department of Health and Human Services.

    The suspected suicide is being investigated by the coroner.

    “They were just trying to fix guests’ anxiety, and as a result (staff) started having too many interactions with guests,” she told the ABC.

    “We should have been seeing them as infrequently as possible.”

    • SoCalSurfCreeperMEMBER

      I am on day 8 of hotel quarantine in Sydney. It is well run.. no complaints. Apart from the nurse that swabbed my throat and sinus on day 2 I have not seen another human. I work a lot. I try to eat and drink in moderation. I know the characters on farmer wants a wife. It’s monotonous but I’ll get thru it. I don’t know what they were doing in Victoria.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Mates who have gone through quarantine in WA say they’re given a key card to their room that can be used once, obviously for when you first enter. They’re the same, only people they see is for testing. Twice in the two weeks. They got through it easy enough and they’re mostly ratbags.

        The security company that Scummo recommended Victoria use needs to be taken out and shot.

        • a key card to their room that can be used once, obviously for when you first enter.

          Interesting. So no possibility of a root.

          WTF is the Vic hotel key not the same?

      • I’ve been in Hospital since Tuesday stuck in the same room for most of it. Meals brought to my door. No chance to see daylight apart from out the window. No exercise etc.. so I have an idea what it’s like to be stuck in quarantine. I’ll be honest it’s not that easy, but it is doable.

        Especially if you have some TV to watch or Wifi connection to access YouTube etc..

        • SoCalSurfCreeperMEMBER

          Hang in there Gav and I hope whatever you have is on the mend. No it’s not easy. I’ve had a few rough moments but I woke up this morning over the half way point it feels better. I’ve been waking every day to be at work by 4am, which is 11am in California and 2pm is Eastern. I spend 4 to 5 hours on calls and then do focus work until 2pm. Then I motivate for a bit of exercise. Jump rope (being careful not to hit the fire sprinkler!), planks, crunches, whatever I can figure out. The worst is between 3pm and when my dinner arrives at 6:30pm. I try not to have a drink before 5pm but it’s so boring. I go to bed before 7:30pm

          • Google up “you are your own gym”. Heaps of exercises that don’t require equipment.

          • There are loads of quarantine exercise programs on YouTube now.

            And Dr Smithy is right, your own body is an excellent training device. I’ve gone from doing old persons kneeling push ups to proper power push ups in a surprisingly short space of time. Iso body doesn’t have to mean a chunky body.

            Getting yourself hot and sweaty isn’t that hard, follow it with a long soak in the tub and you’ve killed 2 hours out of your day.

          • SoCalSurfCreeperMEMBER

            Thanks drsmithy and bubbley. I’ve managed 30 minutes a day every day except yesterday. Will look up those youtubes. I’ve been jumping rope some days. I have to avoid the sprinkler heads. If I took one of those out with my rope could cause a partial evacuation or worse. I’d probably make the evening news.

        • Arthur Schopenhauer

          Are you in the Austin Gav? If you need anything, happy to drop it at the front desk.

        • If you are into audiobooks ‘World War Z’ by Max Brooks and ‘Wanderers’ by Chuck Wendig are good listens. Both are also very apt for our current moment.

        • Sorry to see that Gavin. You’ll be missing your little new one and your missus will be missing you. Get well soon.

        • Sorry guys to clarify I’m not unwell, but due to Covid-19 regulations once I entered the Hospital with the missus Tuesday night last week. I was stuck there until this morning. I was at St Vincents Private in Fitzroy. The missus needed a c-section and so we had to wait for her recovery which took about 5 days after junior was born on Wednesday at Midday.

          I was just thinking about being stuck in quarantine is similar to be stuck in a hospital room. If I left the Hospital I would only have been able to return for 2 hours per/day. So we both stayed in the Hospital. Usually they let couples stay in a Hotel after birth, but due to Covid-19, things have changed.

          • Daughter had the same problem – five weeks premmie bub, emergency C section, in and out of hospital for three weeks with neither mum or dad allowed to see the baby together…..pretty grim time but all’s well now. Main thing is a happy, healthy bub. Best of luck – best time of your life!

        • If you haven’t already found them try YouTube “I shouldn’t be alive” and “air crash investigation”

  5. robert2013MEMBER

    One problem is that the parties have now become mini dictatorships with the changes designed to make overthrowing the “leaders” harder. Those measures merely cover up the real problem which isn’t leadership churn but lack of people who are capable of leading, and possibly a polity incapable of being led. Diversity makes achieving agreement harder. Up to a point this can lead to better decisions, beyond that point it makes decisions worse. Australia may have passed that point. Perhaps what is happening is that dictatorships are arising in many organisations as a response to excess diversity leading to artificial consensus achieved through fear. It is a method for maintaining a higher degree of social cohesion than would otherwise be possible.

  6. Full blown North Korean police state societal closures at astronomical social and economic cost along with full blown North Korea style isolation from the World are quite simply not a proportionate response to a disease as mild as Covid.

    Especially as you will never, ever be able to escape the fact that Covid exists and is endemic throughout the World and as such there will never be a ‘true’ elimination.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        Lol!! Show me one that had curfew had every night for weeks because they didn’t some witnesses in a inquiry.

        • Thats because Eastern Europeans were smart enough to stay the hell at home.

          Unlike 800 stupid Victorians who were SUPPOSED to be in quarantine but decided to go out and roam freely and infect the rest of the state.

    • Full blown North Korean police state societal closures at astronomical social and economic cost along with full blown North Korea style isolation from the World are quite simply not a proportionate response to a disease as mild as Covid.

      This kind of faux hysteria is why you IPA snowflake types don’t get taken seriously.

      • Hysteria? Far from it. If Team Panic want to have a draconian close our second most populous State for god knows how long, likely further close our most populous, have rolling closures for again god knows how long all for the fairly futile goal of suspending reality of a World that contains Covid; then yes I will call for for them to prove the onus that it is somehow a proportionate response to the risk.

        If that makes me IPA then i’ll wear the badge.

        • Hysteria?

          Yes.

          You are equating short-term steps being taken through an established democratic process with the specific purpose of addressing a direct threat to public health and safety, to generational dictatorial rule that’s actively killed millions for no reason other than a single family’s ego and lust for power.

          It is complete and utterly irrational hysteria.

          (Assuming you’re at all serious, which you probably aren’t, just like all the other fvckwits trying to stir up trouble because they like to watch the world burn and think they might be able to make a buck out of it.)

  7. Sunlord BCNMEMBER

    NASA has said that a large sunspot growing in size is heading closer to earth. (AR2770)

    “Cycle 25 is now coming to life. GPS & communications systems are expected to be affected”

    As we head up into Solar Cycle 25, Q4 into early next year, you’ll see CV19 start to disappear

    The CV 19 virus will be gone in first half of next year.

    Then we will be dealing with the economic crisis caused by

    Hopefully Andrews goes too

    • Well Covid-19 might go. But something far deadlier may start circulating next. That’s gonna be real fun when the conspiracy theorists are able to spread that 1.

      • billygoatMEMBER

        Ignore the conspiracy theorists Gavin. They are clearly halfwits unable to think for themselves. Be not afraid. Covid 19 and its deadly offspring will wreak more spiritual & financial havoc in your life than some anonymous individual in the comment section of a finance blog or barely subscribed u tube channel could ever do. They are the shyte under the feet of normal thinkers. Be not afraid.GGG o d will protect you:)$

      • Gavin you could be right the. Martin Armstrongs computer thinks there is something worse coming in 2 years. Sorry about your situation, and your little one and it’s mum missing you.

        • I’m fine mate, I was in Hospital due to baby being born, but missus needing c-section. I replied in more detail on the other comment thread.

    • That would be the ultimate one two punch. COVID made everyone go digital and if we have a disruptive solar flare it would take us back to physical at least in the short term. FANG stocks/tech which were the ‘safe haven’ would be smashed if it is a large disruptive flare.

      • Sunlord BCNMEMBER

        Very interesting point
        Could we then see a major correction in NASDAQ ?????
        Will FANGS take.beating towards end of the year ??

      • Sunlord BCNMEMBER

        It’s better than listening to the misery, let’s hope solar boy saves us
        It’s a nice sunny day in Melb
        I have a huge north facing window with sun steaming in, feels 25 degrees
        I’ve got a deck chair in my living room and I’ve put on some Bali chime music and a Hawaiian shirt, I’m going to make myself a mojito
        I’m pretending I’m by the pool, I’ve got my sunnies on too
        It’s a pretty good morning
        I’m switching the TV off

        I WANT ONE BIT OF INFO

        I WANT NUMBER CASES, I don’t want to hear anything else
        Just give me a number that’s it

        I really think we are going to see the final crash in financial markets next few months with upturn in economy and markets and see virus disappear in first half of next year

        I think the financial meltdown is coming next few months in the last part of solar minimum and upturn in markets into start of next year as solar cycle 25 turns up

  8. WhatcouldgowrongMEMBER

    Got good approval ratings though – seems like he can do no wrong in the polls…

  9. Charles MartinMEMBER

    And yet Scummo leads Elbow 60 – 25 in the preferred PM poll.
    #pollsmeannothing

    • Wait till Job keeper stops and Job seeker goes back to unlivable levels.

      Then the Daggy Dad pm’s approval rating will drop like a rock.

  10. A mate went to get tested at canterbury hospital (syd). The exit involved him having to open two doors (hand on handle, turn), no hand sanitiser available. He complained to the hospital, and to the NSW covid hotline. nobody gave a fckn.

    Expect more cases in canterbury region.

    • Drive through testing the way to go. I got a test months ago in Bondi – run by St Vincents, very efficient. It’s a shame everyone can’t maintain decent standards …

    • The wife took one of the kids to a drive through testing station on the Upper north shore today. Two tests and results back in 7 hours. Impressive stuff. Gladys is doing well in NSW.

  11. You have to separate other issues you have with Dan from COVID handling. You can’t blame Dan for the spread of the virus in Vic. As Mining Bogan pointed out Dan picked security company that Scumo recommended. Again, LIBS mates winning contracts and cutting corners same as with anything else they touch – just plain looting.
    All Scumo fault.

  12. We’re getting closer to the true state of things now. I find Scummo and Trumpo similar in terms of the hands off nature of their “leadership” in this crisis.

  13. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/coronavirus-federal-government-and-aged-care-regulator-had-no-covid-plan-commission-hears/news-story/8fdd5902d672012553fce868efab2ca6

    Neither the federal health department or the aged care regulator developed a COVID-19 plan for aged care, the aged care royal commission has heard. In a blistering opening address on a new hearing into coronavirus and aged care, counsel assisting the commission Peter Rozen QC criticised authorities for a lack of preparedness in aged care settings for the pandemic.

    Morrison is a catastrophe.

    • This is the most important thing I learned yesterday.

      Peter Van Olsen was on Insiders, with the cringe worthy Sky News hack David Speers and made the most extraordinary statement.

      THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN AUSTRALIAN LAW IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MATTERS RELATED TO QUARANTINE.

      The Federal government, not the State gov.
      Scott Morrison really is responsible for it all. Not Gladys not Dan.

      I’ve been astounded that there is no national cohesive plan (like NZ) and that its been state vs state and state vs Fed.

      It is untenable that Australians are being pitted against each other in petty squabbling and there is no over arching plan being implemented and followed by the states.

      • PVO lost the plot around the time of the last election. He’s been sniping at ScoMo ever since.

        Quarantine was mishandled by Victoria. End of story.

        • Its not a trite “End of Story”, that’s just lazy Xo

          The FEDERAL government should have been responsible from the get go and they palmed it off onto the states.

          That was both a failure of judgement and management by ScoMo

          • Most States were competent enough. Not Victoria. Andrews even appeared reluctant to have assistance from the ADF.

  14. Australia needed to pin its ears back and go for eradication in May, not to re-open too early. It could then open a trans-Tasman bubble and access another 20% of its GDP. It cools also add Taiwan. Then once Singapore achieves eradication they could be added. A common virus-free area containing 50m people would have been a good start.