AMA: Don’t ease COVID-19 restrictions

Australian Medical Association President Tony Bartone is urging states to pause any further easing of restrictions until Victoria has gained control over recent coronavirus outbreaks.

Mr Bartone said the recent surge in virus cases is a prime example of the rapidly changing nature of the pandemic:

“So it’s an appropriate time or message at the moment to say everybody let’s just hit that pause button”…

“It’s not a rush to the finish line, it’s a marathon and we need to learn to live with this virus and not become complacent and deal with it for many, many months to come.”

“It’s not having an acceptable number of caseloads, it’s about understanding that you know where the virus is and you’re able to contain, isolate and stop it spreading further.”

There is also an economy to worry about.

With community transmission almost non-existent outside Victoria, and Victoria now closed-off from other states:

There’s little reason to pause reopening in these non-Victorian jurisdictions.

The only reason why Victoria is in its current precarious predicament is because the state government botched its quarantine process for returned travelers.

This tells us two things:

  1. Australia’s international border must be kept shut to all but returning citizens and permanent residents; and
  2. Quarantine must be managed by experts, such as the ADF.
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  1. F*&^ Off. Remove your restrictions, let me live my life.

    If that puts some people at risk, let them self-isolate until a vaccine is found.

      • Do we Qldrs remain locked down till a vaccine is developed?

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m enjoying this more than anyone but any realist knows the borders must open even absent a vaccine and we’ll all be exposed to it. The question is: at what point do we ‘give in’? We can’t wait forever, after all.

    • call me ArtieMEMBER

      In other words, an end can occur not because a disease has been vanquished but because people grow tired of panic mode and learn to live with a disease. Allan Brandt, a Harvard historian, said something similar was happening with Covid-19: “As we have seen in the debate about opening the economy, many questions about the so-called end are determined not by medical and public health data but by sociopolitical processes.”

      Endings “are very, very messy,” said Dora Vargha, a historian at the University of Exeter. “Looking back, we have a weak narrative. For whom does the epidemic end, and who gets to say?”

  2. PaperRooDogMEMBER

    New outbreaks in Spain and areas quarantined.
    Will be interesting to see what happens in the UK in the next month.
    No easy option.

    • Reus's largeMEMBER

      The brits are all travelling abroad so I am sure that they are going to get/spread it around and EU will have a massive second way, especially when they go into winter

  3. Reus's largeMEMBER

    The problem is that sooner or later we are going to have to let the WhuFlu run as the rest of the world is going to be immune and we are not, you can be sure that any vaccine that comes along is going to have more side effects than the actual virus till they have been able to fully test it on the un-willing populace.

    So if we ever want to travel again, you either get it and survive or you are going to be in ISO for a long time.

    • Cookie Cutter

      So true, but no one is thinking long term.

      The virus mostly kills old boomers anyway, so not a big loss to society, will save the rest of us pension and health care costs in the long run, too.

      • Saw this as a comment on a US website:

        “There was a grandfather, father, wife, and son facing dwindling food supplies as winter progressed on the steppes of Tibet. Mamma measured carefully and decided there was no way they could all survive to Spring. The dead were usually taken out onto the barren steppes and left for the vultures and Mamma told Dad to take Grandad out and leave him. Father and son loaded grandad onto sled and pushed off into the vastness. When Father decided they had gone far enough, he asked his son,”Should we just leave Grandad on the sled? Or should we set him on the ground and take the sled back?”
        Son replied,”We should take the sled back. We will need it when it is your turn.”

        • Beautifully put by someone whose own mortality has not yet come into full awareness….

    • Ronin8317MEMBER

      While containment will not work forever, it only need to be done until a cure or a vaccine is found.

      • Ronin, were you one of the volunteers for human trial experiments of the covid-19 vaccine?

    • mikef179MEMBER

      Do you have evidence of this supposed immunity? Are you knowledgeable about the subject or are you just parroting something you have heard someone else say?

      As far as I can tell, there is no evidence yet of any herd immunity.

      • Indeed, the only Herd immunity so far is what happens when someone explains immunity to me. “Heard” immunity.

  4. funny how this works 10-20% of population (old and sick) predominantly work inactive population is at risk yet governments forcefully lockdown everyone to prevent the spread instead of enabling those at risk to self-isolate (if they want)

    by now it’s clear this is not spanish flu or similar disease that can be dangerous to significant percentage of the rest of population yet measures are targeted as that’s the case

    strange world we live in

    • Yeah, but that would be discrimination in strayas world-leading PC utopia where that may cause offense to certain groups.

      Although, if this kung-flu only was serious to millennials, it’d be guaranteed that there’d be forced lockdowns by age of millennials only and everyone would be allowed to live their lives normally.

      • I’m not saying those at risk should be forced to isolate – they should be offered an option to do so both in aged care facilities (daily testing of staff, full PPE, …) and home where government could provide free contactless delivery, phone/online doctor consultations etc
        everyone would still be allowed to go to parks, beaches etc

  5. Segregate Victoria

    East Asia is successfully suppressing the virus. Also, Thailand as well hasn’t had a case of community transmission in a month.

    It is possible to suppress this virus and let life go back to something resembling normal. Thailand is proving it.

    It’s all too hard for the west. Everyone has waved the white flag. Citizens of the west can’t delay gratification for more than a few weeks.

    What do you expect though from a culture that survives on Facebook, Uber Eats, Netflix, reality TV and easy credit.

    Not to mention half the populations drugged to the gills with SSRIs, ADHD medication, opioids, not to mention Aussies being the illicit drug user champions of the world.

    The western world will never recover from this. China’s booming again. They’re going to just keep powering ahead now uninterrupted.

    • East Asia is successfully suppressing the virus. Also, Thailand as well hasn’t had a case of community transmission in a month.

      It is possible to suppress this virus and let life go back to something resembling normal. Thailand is proving it.

      for how long?
      singapore though they were successful in suppressing the virus until they were not
      Japan is also seeing start of a second wave

      this is a marathon race and being first after 5km is not a guarantee of the victory

      • Segregate Victoria

        China hasn’t had large outbreaks. East Asia and Thailand are in great shape.

        The west is a lost cause.

        • only Vietnam and Thailand are doing well – the rest is either failing or has questionable data

          • Segregate Victoria

            You wouldn’t expect it given those countries have some large densely populated cities, healthcare supposedly inferior to the west, and governments with less resources at their disposal.

            The level of planning and organisation leaves western nations for dead.

          • Vietnam and Thailand have had several epidemics in living memory, so the population know to fear it and obey the public health. And once it’s gone you then have strong borders to keep it out. The West managed to not be impacted in the same way and therefore the population does not have the required skills. We also have become used to medicine fixing everything and therefore have lost skills of infection control without the medicines. Adjustment painful.

        • The90kwbeastMEMBER

          Assuming you actually believe any of the data China has released.

          Would be interested to see another update on MB on the traffic etc data on China to see if life is returning to normal or not.


    They say multiple studies demonstrate particles known as aerosols – microscopic versions of standard respiratory droplets – can hang in the air for long periods and float for several metres, making poorly ventilated rooms, buses and other confined spaces dangerous even when people stay 1.8 metres from one another.

    “We are 100 per cent sure about this,” Lidia Morawska, a professor of atmospheric sciences and environmental engineering at Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, said.

    She makes the case in an open letter to the WHO accusing the United Nations agency of failing to issue appropriate warnings about the risk.

    A total of 239 researchers from 32 countries signed the letter, which is set to be published next week in a scientific journal.

    Time make N95 masks available to the general public in large quantities Wearing masks should be the standard guideline for anywhere outside your own house..

    • That is an interesting one
      It looks like that the virus becomes airborne only under certain conditions (temperature and/or humidity and/or pollution particles, … ) and that would nicely explain those super spreading events that led to Bergamo, Toledo, NYC, … scenarios

      So far there is observational evidence that virus is airborne and is not airborne depending on conditions. Discovering those conditions would be valuable in controlling the spread of the spread and avoiding those super-spreading events that overwhelm healthcare systems

      Wearing N95 masks would not help much (90% of people don’t know how to fit it properly anyway) and if it’s airborne not wearing it at home would be enough for many to get infected

    • Angry, do you believe that viruses and other microscopic contaminants can’t bypass the mask fabric weave? Have you seen footage of health care workers wearing hazmat suits when dealing with infected patients. And you think wearing a mask in public will save you?

      This is the WARNING on the N95 box:
      This product is an earloop mask. This product is not a respirator and will not provide an protection against COVID-19 (Coronavirus) or other viruses or contaminants.
      Wearing an earloop mask does not reduce the risk of contracting any diseases or infections. User is solely responsible for the selection of appropriate personal protective equipment for the setting and application. Change immediately if contaminated.

      The masks aren’t for your protection. They’re a sign of your submission.

      • The mask is to prevent you breathing your diseased airborne droplets into the wider atmosphere and hence reduce the risk of other others catching it from you. Plus reducing the risk of you contracting it somewhat. That’s assuming its manufactured to spec and fitted properly.
        Of course i expect you to let us all know the next time you have surgery or hospital treatment you will demand that the nurses and doctors dispense with the masks because you refuse to be operated on by someone who submits to government mandated health regulations despite any scientific consensus on the issue.

  7. call me ArtieMEMBER

    If pandemic fear triggers a reappraisal of Australia’s immigration Ponzi, I am prepared to be restricted for quite some time. Sacrificing for the greater long-term good, so to say

    • +1
      I’m willing to wear some pain if the alternative is turbo charged crush loaded immigration.

  8. These days the entire world has a last days of Rome feeling to it. Bit of a shame really.

  9. >> There’s little reason to pause reopening in these non-Victorian jurisdictions.
    Were you not saying the same about how Queensland should throw open the borders just few weeks ago? Perhaps it is time to listen more than talk.

    • The UsurperMEMBER


      I’d be very happy for the SA borders to remain shut for at least the rest of year.

    • Hadron CollisionMEMBER

      It’s quite incredible actually – you are right

      Then we have the little fiasco up at Wilson’s Creek – the 1000 person rave party and then the 200 person shindig at Suffolk Park. Who knows who attended and where they were from but the Northern Rivers could go from 0 cases in something like 12 weeks to a lottttt.

      Lot of people converging on Byron too and social distancing out the window

    • The Victorians are desperate for their winter break in paradise. If they don’t get it they’ll be very, very upset.

      Interestingly, I was hearing that Noosa is solidly booked over the Christmas break — can only assume by Victorians assuming that all will be back to ‘normal’ by then …