VIC Liberals: Taxpayers must pay for international student quarantine

Victorian Liberal leader, Michael O’Brien, has issued a press release demanding that taxpayers pay to quarantine international students brought in under Australia’s COVID-19 travel bans:

The Liberal Nationals are calling on the Andrews Government to urgently work with the Federal Government to facilitate safe entry for international students back into Victoria.

International education and training is Victoria’s largest service-based export. In 2018, the sector generated $11.8 billion in export revenue for the state and supported almost 79,000 Victorian jobs.

The impact of COVID-19 has hit the international education and training sector very hard in recent months, with international travel restrictions preventing many international students from arriving in Victoria to commence or return to their studies.

Our economy needs to get international students back to Victorian universities and training providers and that requires reopening borders to international students followed by 14 days of quarantine.

To aid the Federal Government in getting this done, the Victorian Liberal Nationals call on the State Government to help in subsidising affordable quarantine accommodation for international students on their arrival to Melbourne…

“Rebuilding Victoria’s international education sector is part of the Liberal Nationals’ Back to Work and Back in Business plan.

Get stuffed Michael.

Australians have not been put under house arrest for months to nearly beat the virus so that our greedy universities and their captured political mates can flood the joint with virus-marinated kids from overseas, paid for by taxpayers, in turn jeopardising the fortress economy and Australian lives.

Virus testing is not foolproof. Quarantine measures are full of holes. Two weeks is not long enough to exhaust contagiousness. And Australia sources a large chunk of its students from countries that are plunging into, not coming out of, the pandemic. These include highly infected counties like India, Nepal and Brazil.

It only takes one infected international student to flout the rules and the entire Australian economy will be put at risk.

Australia’s universities have already proven that they cannot be trusted on this matter, as evidenced throughout the pandemic via:

  • first campaigning to keep Australia’s international borders open;
  • then smuggling students in via third countries after Australia’s borders were closed; and
  • campaigning for exceptions to travel bans throughout.

If policy makers had listened to our ‘enlightened’ universities at any stage in the pandemic response, Australia would now be a virus basket case.

The higher education sector cannot be trusted. It has become a toxic cesspit for former public servants and officials to get rich at everyone else’s expense.

The corruption is worthy of its own royal commission.

Leith van Onselen

Comments

  1. SoCalSurfCreeperMEMBER

    Outrageous. Foreigners cannot be allowed in before Australian citizens have the freedom to travel abroad at will.

    • They charged homeless people for quarantine.

      Going to be great in 6 months when they’ve all run out of cash and there are no jobs for them.

      “Dole extended to foreign students”

  2. SoCalSurfCreeperMEMBER

    Also, how stupid is this opposition? They have a golden opportunity here to differentiate themselves from the CCP-captive ALP, and this is this is the best they can do? How out of touch are these clowns?

    • DominicMEMBER

      You must be new to politics – it attracts a special kind of grub.

      Locating someone with moral fibre in politics is like trying to find a virgin in a brothel.

    • And the IPA running around telling everyone to vote for them.

      So you have the CCALP and the Neoliberals in Victoria. What a choice. The state is also full of centre left types and with the libs being flaccid in that state and a heavy green vote, it’s esentially a free swing for Labor to do what they want.

      Nuke Melbourne and start again.

    • It just shows how bad things are in Victoria….without international students and Belt and Road deals for infrastructure they are up the creek.
      Even the so called opposition has to get on the CCP bus.

  3. Australians have not been put under house arrest for months to nearly beat the virus so that our greedy universities and their captured political mates can flood the joint with virus-marinated kids from overseas, paid for by taxpayers, in turn jeopardising the fortress economy and Australian lives.
    No, no … Australians are put into an arbitrary detention to enable government to bailout the banks via RBA purchases of their junk rmbs

    Btw. Nearly beating a virus is like nearly keeping virginity

    • What a dumb comment – its not an absolutism, its a progressive process.

      It’s like “nearly reaching the top of the mountain”.

      • And when that’s been accomplished, the riskiest part of the climb is …the descent.
        That’s what ‘letting them in’ encompasses.

    • And their full time working partners, their children at public schools and the perpetually ‘visiting’ crippled parents clogging up footpaths and emergency rooms.

      • happy valleyMEMBER

        +10,000 Tell them all to f.ck off and any pollie apologist with them, including pretty boy Michael O’B.

        • Lord Winchester EntwhistleMEMBER

          I’m unsure if it is accurate to describe Michael O’Brien as a pretty-boy.

    • Ronin8317MEMBER

      The Federal Government created a situation where Australia universities need international students to survive. No international students means all of our universities will go bust, and Australians must go overseas to get a tertiary degree.

      • The90kwbeastMEMBER

        Close, it means the government needs to go back to adequately funding our universities, like how they used to 30 years ago, instead of passing the funding buck back to the unis.

        The government created this mess, have no doubt.

      • No. I don’t think you understand how much fat universities are carrying. Unless you’ve worked in a university, it’s easy not to realise this. VCs have built an empire to justify their inflated salaries.

    • NoodlesRomanovMEMBER

      You fools are forgetting Vibrancy and Diversity, that brings tangible benefits like…..umm….dilution of societal and cultural values that the west has taken thousands of years to develop?

      • drsmithyMEMBER

        LOL.

        “Thousands of years.”

        Same sex marriage was legalised in *2017* after being made illegal in 2004.
        Just over half a century ago Aboriginals were granted voting rights.
        Just over half a century before that, women were granted voting rights.
        Just over half a century before that, slavery was still legal in the USA.

  4. Ex Victorian LNP Minister for flogging off tertiary education, Phil Honeywood, has obviously been busy working the old boys network in Victoria. With Manchurian Dan’s love for the way that the CCP roll, and that other Dan (Mrs Tehan’s little boy Dan) on board, no pandemic is going to stand between this unlikely lot and their orgy of OS student $. Anyway, it would be racist to prioritise the health and security of Australian citizens first.

    • sometimes I think that whole coronavirus fraud has been done to discredit science and scientists so that what they say about climate change becomes fiction …
      but than I remember that those people in power are so dumb busy counting newly minted dollars given to them to do something large like that

      • If the global warming fraud worked as hoped they wouldn’t have needed the virus fraud.

    • Juice Media suck. Literally just a bunch of cosmopolitan lefty wankers from Collingwood whinging about the same topics.

  5. gibber_blotMEMBER

    Heh, I knew Macrobusiness would have babies about this article as soon as I saw it.

      • gibber_blotMEMBER

        They seem to long for the return of the days when Australian universities were just for white middle-class kids.

        • I’d be happy if they were just about educating students, ideally locals first irrespective of colour or class.

        • Nope. I yearn for the days when entry and teaching standards were half decent. And universities were about quality teaching, not maximising bums on seats and profits.

          You obviously prefer the latter.

  6. So we need to pay to import these people, who are supposed to be an export?

    I don’t understand much of anything these days.

    • We have to import the students so we can export jobs and remittance overseas.

    • No. Your “WE” has a duality to the word. We (The taxpayer) has to pay to import these people, so that We (the private enterprises) can export to them.. Makes perfect sense when you look at it that way.

  7. “.. Virus testing is not foolproof. Quarantine measures are full of holes. Two weeks is not long enough to exhaust contagiousness. …”

    What holes?

    Make it 3 weeks then and make them pay for quarantine.

    Still a hugely attractive selling point to thousands of foreign families eager to get their kids working in our entry level and low skilled labour markets.

    Amusing that the Liberals want the local taxpayers to pay for quarantine.

    When it comes to business the user NEVER pays.

    • we don’t need an infected foreign student to restart “epidemic” of this glorified common cold, there are already hundreds or thousands of hosts in Australia …

      simply virus has not been spreading in Australia since the very begging, even in March when infected people were freely entering the country and going wherever they like, on average they were infecting way less than 1 other person (around 2/3 of all positive cases in Australia are imported cases). The only reason we had drop in number of cases is because we don’t let people in in such large numbers … when it comes to local transmission all the social distancing measures and lockouts did nothing

      so the official story is that virus started from a single person in Wuhan and in two months infected millions of people in the city of which 50k tested positive and almost 4k died. In Australia we prevented that because of or great government measures despite the fact that we had thousands of infected people arriving weekly and walking freely around before any measures have been imposed …

      • “… despite the fact that we had thousands of infected people arriving weekly ..”

        The fact?

        You need to research the difference between a fact and your speculations.

        Thousands of negative tests is a fact.

        • how about you quote the whole sentence?

          In Australia we prevented that because of or great government measures despite the fact that we had thousands of infected people arriving weekly and walking freely around before any measures have been imposed …

          just look at the numbers thousands of positive people arrived before borders closed (including infested cruise ships) and they were let go home by trains and taxis … how many people did they infected? Most of them failed to pass the virus to household members before they were even tested and after getting symptoms

          you may pretend as much as you want but numbers are there, in three weeks prior to 27/03 (a typical incubation period after the travel ban) we had 3k cases detected almost all imported (>95%) … they all arrived and were not required to quarantine … those arriving after 16/03 went into self-quarantine but failed to pass it to family members … but even a week after that day we already had imported 2k cases that were not even required to self-quarantine
          Also we let thousands of people to travel home from infested cruise ships after travel bans and mandatory quarantines were introduced

          so obviously we had thousands of confirmed infected people running around before mandatory quarantine and yet they failed to infect almost anyone (5k out of 7k confirmed cases are imported)
          https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers

          should I mention Australian research showing 80% of cases were asymptomatic … so likely we had ten thousands of infected people entering the country and yet no epidemic at all

        • its tiresome scrolling past his nonsense.
          at some point he should think jeez I’ve been proven wrong in just about every aspect, I’ll just STFU now, but no.. walls of dribble.

          • yeah proven wrong …
            when in Mid March you and 90% of people here were saying we’ll have hundreds of thousands of dead … I said in two-three weeks it’s going to be over (number of new cases drop by 90%) all on it’s own …

            I wonder who turned to be right ?

          • you’re ignoring the shutdown and so on being successful in stopping it.

            more dribble.

          • By the time lockdowns were introduced on 31/03 in NSW and 1/04 in VIC number of new cases was already down bu half … but for a lockdown to show it worked it needs to be in place for at least a week to two and by than – mid April … number of new cases were down by 95%

            even measures like closing bars and restaurants didn’t do much because by the time results had a chance to materialise, number of new cases were already down by 80% … simply numbers were flattening well before any measures were introduced
            it was flattening because border was closed in mid March and since there was no significant local transmission number of cases dropped down by 80% a week or two after we closed borders and blocked cruise ships (one week or two were needed to test all those imported cases in incubation). two weeks after last significant number of people were allowed to enter the country we had number of cases down to nothing

            simply there was never any significant local transmission in Australia, it was absent equally before or after social distancing measures …
            now you can create as many fairy tales about our glorious leaders but that will not change any of the obvious facts that the only things they managed to do is to close borders and destroy economy via lockdowns

  8. Seriously, do an article that kills the great export myth that can be shared and forwarded to pollies and supportive journalists.

    Actually compile the numbers. Fees paid from overseas monies to be repaid via remittances. Fees earned in Australia to be sent out via remittances. Costs in infrastructure. Cost of state governments schooling their children. Healthcare costs from higher insurance premiums and those presenting to emergency rooms without proper insurance. The minimal money spent here.

    Don’t let the pollies and industry keep trotting out the bogus inflated export numbers.

    Actually have the figures to prove it’s an overall burden havng these students here.

    Let the real numbers speak for themselves.

    • Nobody cares about the numbers.

      People care about their own p&l.

      You should bloody get it, already. it’s how the whole world works. It’s how privatising the gains and socialising the losses works.

      The “losses“ are made to arise somewhere else, not on anyone’s p&l. That way they are easier to ignore. This is a feature, not a bug. It is in everyone’s interests to ignore them.

      • And yet you attack MB at every turn for fighting against this perverted system. Make up your mind. Should we just accept it? What’s the point of MB’s existence then?

        • Heya Leith. The question you ask about the purpose of MB is an interesting one. I will need to give it some thought, but some of my initial reactions are:

          1. It is different for different people (for you it’s a meal ticket, for some readers/commenters it’s educational, for others it’s cathartic)

          2. It is different from different perspectives (publicly it is probably to advocate for fairness and progress – in the economic and political sphere – for Australians, privately, it might be something else (it needs to continue to be a meal ticket))

          3. It is different across time (what it is now, with the advent of a reasonable amount of readership and the Nucleus element, is not the same as what it was in 2013)

          What are your thoughts on these items?

          PS – and I don’t attack MB. I just state my truth. It can be different to your truth, but it’s not a personal attack, and you should be bigger than to treat it as such. I’m always open to refutation (but, of late, it has Disappointing just been deletion).

          • Sorry mate, you are full of it. On this thread you wrote:

            “They are often against profits, prosperity and progress.”

            Before bitching about the system:

            You should bloody get it, already. it’s how the whole world works. It’s how privatising the gains and socialising the losses works.

            The “losses“ are made to arise somewhere else, not on anyone’s p&l. That way they are easier to ignore. This is a feature, not a bug. It is in everyone’s interests to ignore them.

            You write this type of contradictory bile every day. It’s nauseating.

          • I am beginning to see – I think that perhaps some people don’t really understand me, in the same way that everybody doesn’t understand skippy.

            Anyway, In my mind there is no conflict between the posts you quote. Here they are, amalgamated, quite coherently:


            You should bloody get it, already. it’s how the whole world works. It’s how privatising the gains and socialising the losses works.

            The “losses“ are made to arise somewhere else, not on anyone’s p&l. That way they are easier to ignore. This is a feature, not a bug. It is in everyone’s interests to ignore them.

            This is what is termed profits, prosperity and progress in Australia

        • gibber_blotMEMBER

          “What’s the point of MB’s existence then?”

          That’s a good question Leith. I’ve been reading MB since before it was MB, back when it was ‘Houses and Holes’, Cameron’s blog, and one other whose name I can’t remember. Back then, it was a series of informative blogs that did contrarian analysis of economics and helped me to understand what was happening in the Australian and global economy.

          It seems far removed from that now. These days its primary purpose seems to be a forum where middle-class white men get together to vent their frustrations at anyone who dares to view things differently to them, to call these people names, and to generally just pick random pieces of data out and make exceedingly spurious conclusions from them to fit the narrative.

          About a year ago I got sick of the name calling so stopped reading pretty much any article to do with property or banks, even though I think these are some areas that MB does great analysis.

          Then the bashing of the universities started. These are quite ill informed, taking some of the poor practices at some universities, tarring anyone who is associated with universities with this brush (including me), and generally making incorrect statements about how universities are run and what they stand for; longing for the days when they were for ‘our kids’ and not these foreigners.

          But then MB took the cake with its repeatedly wrong and short-sighed analysis of the epidemiology of COVID; the criticisms of the medical experts who did get it right, and the politicians who dared to trust them. Even after the MB commentators and members’ predictions have turned out to be far from correct, still this amateur epidemiology continues without shame.The type of criticism leveled at economic forecasters who don’t acknowledge their poor forecasts is absent from MB’s COVID analysis.

          This bit was the last straw for me and was when I cancelled my subscription to MB. It seemed irresponsible to fund an organisation that peddles bad advice and lacks the insight to know what they are experts at.

          It’s a shame, because this started out as a good forum with good analysis, but the toxic masculinity ruined it..

          • Hello? Cringe department?

            That’s way too much victimhood in a comment for this time of the morning.

          • fitzroyMEMBER

            Actually Universities were built for our kids with our money by people who never went to university,. You bring race into discussions to signal your own virtue. If you don’t like what is written you can always contribute, You seem to do your own fair share of name calling, or is that too toxically masculine?

          • The bashing of universities started for a reason. They went from being educational institutions whose role was to impart knowledge to local students so that they could become engineers and scientists etc and contribute to making Australia an advanced nation to money hungry, foreign student focused, don’t give a sh*t about educational outcomes degree factories.
            And you can nick off with your “middle-class white men” and “toxic masculinity” name calling. Play the ball, not the man “Person”.

          • Toxic masculinity? You must be a humanities researcher who is upset that people here calling out questionable social research coming out of universities at the moment.

          • gibber_blotMEMBER

            Hi zaxxon,

            I don’t consider it name calling when one middle-class white man observes that most people on a forum are other middle-class white men.

            As for toxic masculinity: that is behaviour, not people. I am playing the ball when I say that. I find the behaviour on here resembles a twitter thread more than a forum for discussing economics. This is why we don’t see too many non-white, non-male participants I suspect.

          • That’s some wonderous virtue signalling there gibber_blot. I’m sorry that I am a toxic white male that is not as woke as you, and cannot see that Australia’s universities do not exist to provide quality teaching to Australian kids.

          • I did notice MB slowly turning toward the right-nationalist (not so much right-conservative) side but staying on the fake left side wasn’t much better either. They also kept some usually seen as left ideologies like AGW … but that doesn’t make them less ideological or less biased.

            what’s important here is that like every other media outlet out there, MB has its ideological bias and as far as people are aware of it … that’s fine

            I mean. most of my posts are ideologically biased as well, but since my ideology doesn’t fall into into any of the major categories they may appear more objective because I equally criticize almost everything coming from both left and right, and both fake and real left and rights …

            the worst kind of media these days are not those that are biased but rather those that pretend to be independent

          • In case you haven’t noticed, we attack all sides (Liberal, Labor, Greens) equally. Basically, we see the entire political system as corrupted.

            Trying to put us in one camp or the other is ridiculous. I attack dumb ideas and praise good ones, regardless of who makes them. Whether you agree with me or not is another matter.

          • @Leith

            As I said, you are not a typical media that writes from a “right of centre” position because you are not conservative but rather nationalist kind of “right”. And since there is no major party from that side of spectrum in Australia you look like someone not ideological attacking all major parties in Australia.

            While on some issues you are balanced, you cannot say that you are never biased and that you always criticize all dumb ideas and praise all good ones. On some issues like immigration, universities, urban development, coronavirus … you have very rigid and ideological stance but once again that’s fine … there is no objective person out there to throw a stone

          • fitzroyMEMBER

            Everyone is biased Doc, from the observer’s perspective, unless there is no difference in the view, even yourself.

  9. reusachtigeMEMBER

    Knowing Australian girls like I do, and being able to compare them to the well kept chinamen-like ladies, this country needs a lot more Brazilians!

  10. johnoconnorMEMBER

    Off-topic, but here’s (the brilliant) Michael Lind on a possible future America:

    “..a deindustrialized, English-speaking version of a Latin American republic, specializing in commodities, real estate, tourism, and perhaps transnational tax evasion, with decayed factories scattered across the continent and a nepotistic rentier oligarchy clustered in a few big coastal cities.”

    Remind you of anywhere?

    http://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-strategy-trade-lind

    • If only we could import some decayed factories from somewhere. And teach everyone English!

    • Not Australia. We demolish our factories and build dog boxes in their place. No decaying anywhere.

  11. My mama owned and operated a boarding kennels and cattery for 23 years. Every animal had to be vaccinated at least 2 weeks prior to being admitted into the facility. No exceptions. Not one outbreak of parvo, canine cough in that time.

    Did have the odd escapee though. 😉

  12. Pricktoria needs to be immediately expelled from the Federation. Communist maggots.

    • by communist you man “fake communist neoliberal capitalist rich loving china like”