“Are dictators in Beijing now writing Morrison’s lines?”

Deary me, Simon Benson:

Anthony Albanese’s tactical attack on Liberal MP Gladys Liu is at risk of backfiring horribly.

Scott Morrison’s strident press conference today in her defence would have been all over WeChat in minutes. And the Chinese community would have heard only one thing. The Labor Party is racist.

The clumsy imputation that she is an agent of China has exposed the Labor leader to a withering response from the Government.

It has cast a smear over 1.2 million Chinese Australians while undermining the principles that Labor claims to represent.

So, Labor can’t hold the Government to account for ignoring ASIO warnings about Gladys Liu and foreign influence because a dodgy online portal edited in Beijing (that is, foreign influence) will cost it at the ballot box? That’s is treason dressed up as good politics.

Andrew Bolt piled in:

Sky News host Andrew Bolt has unleashed a stunning attack on Prime Minister Scott Morrison for playing the “race card” in defending under-fire Liberal MP Gladys Liu.

“The way that the Prime Minister played that race card five times this morning, well I can only say the Chinese regime should be sending him a thank you card,” Bolt said in his opening monologue on Thursday.

“This slur against Labor and others was particularly disgusting.”

…Bolt said he couldn’t “believe what the Prime Minister did today — from someone of the far left, yes, but this Liberal Prime Minister today actually played the race card”.

“What a dishonest tactic,” he said.

“It is dishonest because no one is criticising Gladys Liu just for being Chinese. No one. They are criticising her and asking her tough questions about whether she’s been too close to the Communist regime of China. They’re wondering why she served its propaganda arm. They’re asking why she didn’t tell the truth about that.”

…On Sky News, Bolt asked the PM whether ASIO was also “racist” for warning Mr Turnbull off the meeting last year, or if Labor was racist for asking why Ms Liu “falsely denied on this show to having served on two Chinese organisations that are now part of China’s official propaganda arm”.

“Is it truly racist to ask why Liu is so reluctant to criticise China, given how close she’s been to China’s propaganda arm? What rubbish,” he said.

“This is Scott Morrison using the race card to protect Liu from the questions and criticisms she would get even if she was as non-Chinese as say, Sam Dastyari, who was actually forced to resign as a Labor Senator for himself getting too close to the Chinese regime.”

Bolt went on to say that the “final insult” from the PM was to suggest all 1.2 million Chinese Australians supported the Communist regime.

…“What an insult that is to the democracy activists who fled here from the Tiananmen Square massacre,” he said.

…“Extraordinary! Are the dictators in Beijing now writing Morrison’s lines?

In other words, The Australian or ScoMo or both are now in bed with Beijing to defend the LNP majority in Australia. What an ANZAC would make of that I leave to you. You can get hint from this.

Meanwhile, at Domain, Professor Salvatore Babones mounts a more defensible defense:

…look at the problems facing Gladys Liu. A native of Hong Kong and Australian citizen since 1992, she has become embroiled in controversy over her association with organisations such as the China Overseas Exchange Association and the Australia Jiangmen General Commercial Association, of which she was apparently once the honorary president.

Jiangmen is a large (population 4.5 million) but relatively unimportant Chinese city in the hinterland of Hong Kong, and its commercial association in Australia is likely little more than a small business council. The China Overseas Exchange Association arranges cultural tours for non-Chinese families who have adopted Chinese students. These are small-potatoes organisations, not communist fifth columns.

…Call it unfair, call it a beat-up, call it a witch-hunt. But don’t call it racist. If Liu had Russian or (worse) Trumpian connections, the story would be the same. Racism is real, but the “R” word is thrown around much more casually than it should be, especially when it comes to politics.

The AFR chimes in with a disgraceful spin job but even it can’t hide the issues:

Given she was born in Hong Kong, 33 years before the territory was handed back to Beijing, it was noteworthy she identified as “Chinese-born”. But potentially more interesting was another biographical morsel detailed in her maiden speech.

…The former fishing village in the southern Chinese province of Guangdong is famous for its entrepreneurs and its “tight friendship networks”, wrote John Garnaut, the former journalist and foreign policy adviser to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.

In Australia, Chaozhou’s most famous native is the controversial political donor Chau Chak Wing, who has given generously to both sides of politics…Another generous donor who hails from the same region is Huang Xiangmo…

These are the wrong questions. The right ones are how did a singularly charisma free and unimpressive individual become such a rich conduit of cash for the LNP in Victoria? Like Ernest Wong in NSW, if it wasn’t talent then what was it? Why did ASIO warn the Government that Liu is compromised? Why is the Herald Sun exposing more of that shadowy cash pipe today?

Embattled Liberal MP Gladys Liu has failed to declare a $39,675 donation to the Liberal Party’s Victorian division three years ago.

The omission, which is a breach of disclosure laws, follows an earlier failure to declare a $25,000 donation for almost three years.

The Herald Sun can reveal Ms Liu, renowned in party circles for her fundraising efforts, never filed a return to the Australian Electoral Commission for the $39,675 donation made in 2015-16.

…The Herald Sun can now reveal Ms Liu belonged to yet another Communist Party-linked organisation which helped lead a pro-Beijing rally on the streets of Melbourne about the South China Sea in 2016.

The Hong Kong-born MP has been a delegate of the Federation of Chinese Associations in Victoria, which describes itself as protecting “the Ancestral Nation’s dignity and interests” and striking back against “anti-China groups and behaviours”.

Chinese interference expert Professor Clive Hamilton said the group was a “very suspect organisation and has been very active in (Chinese Community Party) influence work in Melbourne”

Why did Liu lie about all of it in the interview with Andrew Bolt and, revealed today by the ABC, on her pre-selection form?

Besieged Liberal MP Gladys Liu did not disclose her membership of organisations linked to the Chinese Government’s foreign interference operations when she ran for preselection for the federal seat she now holds.

The ABC has obtained the form Ms Liu submitted during the preselection process for the seat of Chisholm, which she won for the Liberal Party at the last federal election.

All preselection candidates are obliged to fill in a section titled General and Community Activities, where they are supposed to list all organisations of which they are or have been a member or active supporter.

Ms Liu listed 17 different organisations, including the Box Hill Chess Club, the Australian Dancing Society and the Rotary Club of Melbourne. She also made reference to having been an honorary president or adviser to “many community organisations”.

She did not, however, declare her council membership of two chapters of an organisation called the China Overseas Exchange Association, which the ABC this week reported were part of the Chinese Government’s efforts to spread influence overseas.

The ABC has previously reported that Ms Liu was an honorary chair of two other organisations linked to the Chinese Government’s United Front Work propaganda and foreign influence activities — the World Trade United Foundation and the United Chinese Commerce Association of Australia.

In her application for endorsement, Ms Liu did not declare her membership of these two organisations either.

Ms Liu released a statement this week in response to the growing furore over her ties to a number of Chinese Government-linked organisations, in which she admitted to having been a member of one chapter of the Chinese Overseas Exchange Association, the United Chinese Commerce Association of Australia and Jiangmen General Commercial Association.

She did not disclose membership of the latter on her preselection application.

As the endorsement application is an internal Liberal Party document, it is unclear whether candidates are obliged to disclose membership of foreign organisations, but Ms Liu disclosed previous membership of some Hong Kong-based community organisations.

In the application, Ms Liu also claims to have raised more than $1 million for the Liberal Party by organising functions or bringing guests to fundraising dinners.

At a function in October 2015 she supplied guests for five VIP tables at a total cost of $50,000. Those guests then bid for auction items, which Ms Liu said helped the dinner exceed its estimated revenue by $400,000.

At an April 2016 federal election dinner, Ms Liu said she supplied 10 VIP tables that raked in $100,000 for the Liberal Party and “introduced high-value business and community leaders”.

“The Chinese community naturally shares many of the values of the Liberal Party, including an affinity for hard work, self-reliance and initiative, achievement in business and education, family values and respect for the rules of society,” Ms Liu wrote in her accompanying statement.

“But converting these natural values into support for the Liberal Party requires constant, active engagement. The Liberal Party in Victoria currently does not have an MP of Chinese background who can champion it at either federal or state level. If I were to become the first, it could enhance the Party’s support in that community across our state.”

Ms Liu says her name may have been added to records without her knowledge (courtesy Sky News: The Bolt Report).

The debate over Ms Liu’s ties to various organisations intensified this week after a bruising interview with Sky News commentator Andrew Bolt, in which Ms Liu claimed to be unaware of her membership of some organisations and struggled to answer other questions.

In the statement she subsequently released she said she had cut ties with “many organisations” and was in the process of auditing any organisations that may have added her as a member without her knowledge or consent.

Ms Liu did not respond to the ABC’s request for comment regarding her preselection form.

The questions about Ms Liu are these. Is a person that:

  • ASIO has directly warned about,
  • that is a channel for large sums of mysterious foreign money surrounded by fraud allegations amid a documented wider push to corrupt democratic process,
  • that has lied repeatedly about both as well as her association with the same foreign dictatorship,
  • that refuses to personally endorse Australian foreign policy,

a fit and proper person to represent Australians in the Parliament?

If the PM Morrison’s answer is “yes” then neither should he be there. It might even be taken out of his hands, via Crikey:

Section 44 disqualifies from parliament, in addition to foreign citizens, anyone who is “under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power”. Call it the foreign agent provision.

The High Court has been asked twice to invoke this law, and both times said no. In 1949, Gordon Anderson was elected in the Sydney seat of Kingsford-Smith. He was challenged on the grounds that, as a Roman Catholic, he owed an allegiance to a foreign power: the Vatican. True, the Vatican is a country; but the court was having none of that anti-Papist rubbish which had been made obsolete in 1829 when the United Kingdom finally allowed Catholics to sit in parliament. Freedom of religion, which the constitution separately guarantees, trumped any suggestion of divided loyalties by virtue of personal faith.

The question next came up in 1987. Elaine Nile (wife of Rev Fred) challenged Robert Wood, who had beaten her to a Senate seat representing NSW. Among her grounds was that Wood had, years earlier, been convicted of a criminal offence of “obstructing shipping”, and this action “against the vessels of a friendly nation” indicated that he had an allegiance to a (not identified) foreign power.

Entertaining argument, but the High Court is not for cheap thrills. The case was kicked out, although the judges did make one interesting observation: section 44, they said, will only operate on a person who has “formally or informally acknowledged” a foreign allegiance, and not withdrawn or revoked it.

What this would mean for Liu, if she found herself facing a section 44 challenge (which now can only be referred to the court by the House of Reps), is that her professed accidental membership of various Communist Party-front organisations would not likely be enough to meet the test of allegiance to a foreign power. There’d need to be a much smokier gun than has so far come to light.

The world of politics moves much faster than that. Needless to say, Morrison has catastrophically erred getting into bed with Beijing. He’d better jump out quick smart.

Comments

    • What does ANZAC have to do with it? No foreign government should have access to or interference in our sovereign nation besides Britain through the queen. I don’t make the rules it’s just the way it is we have to become a republic before Britain has no say.
      Meanwhile let’s have a look at dutton’s links to USA. I know what that man is up to and why USA will again give him the top job if Morrison does not do their bidding. Which he will cause none of them give a stuff about Australia only their own power.

  1. Politicians everywhere are shameful pieces of … but to watch them humiliate themselves performing the Kowtow is a national disgrace.

  2. Yet another example of the political class only caring about their interests and not that of the country. They wonder why people tune out and ignore them, especially younger people as they see their situation as hopeless.

    • The Horrible Scott Morrison MP

      The fact is that people can’t be trusted to decide anything and therefore they need politicians and corporations to decide everything for them. High property prices, gender fluidity and Chinese rule are baked into the cake no matter how you vote.

    • The political class are very pleased when they are ignored by the public, in fact they work very hard to make sure this happens.
      Then they can carry out their nefarious deeds and ignore the clear and present dangers that are bearing down on us.

  3. “It has cast a smear over 1.2 million Chinese Australians while undermining the principles that Labor claims to represent.”

    That’s right. Instead we should all get our children’s feet bound as a mark of unity.

    Does Simon Benson realise that many of these Chinese Australians have been here since the gold rush, came from Hong Kong, Singapore and Malaysia or basically hate the CCP? Or, according to Simon, do they all vote the same ’cause they look the same’? Because if you look Chinese you must have a monolithic ideology and go to the same Yum Cha on Sunday?

    In his disingenuous defence of “The Chinese” our Benson has just revealed himself to be pig ignorant! The Chinese I know are not a monolithic block of mainland China poodles. Those that are will be fee paying and shipped into our unis.

    Can we find a half smart journalist to confect outrage next time? Benson is boring.

    • @Clive…please….their in-group preference is second only to another group we’re not allowed to talk about.

    • The group of ethnically Chinese that have a disdain for the CCP are now swamped by mainland Chinese born migrants who don’t hold the CCP in disdain.

  4. 20 hours ago

    Barnaby Joyce says government MP Gladys Liu should be removed if she’s found to have allegiances to China.

    Some senior Liberals say the intelligence community warned the party against pre-selecting Gladys Liu before the federal election.

    https://www.2gb.com/barnaby-joyce-says-gladys-liu-saga-is-why-we-have-asio/

    She won the seat by a lousy 1090 votes. 48,005 vs 46,915.

    7 hours ago

    Andrew Bolt has unleashed a stunning tirade against Scott Morrison for playing the “race card”

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/what-an-insult-andrew-bolt-rips-into-scott-morrison-for-playing-race-card-over-gladys-lius-chinese-ties/news-story/37da09e68970bf84c0ab7e39f1d07265

    🤣🤣🤣

  5. My gosh what a traitor to this country our PM is this is disgusting behaviour. I wish I had a second passport as a backup who knows what rule we will be under in 20 yrs at this rate. Racism? Get f…… good on Bolt

  6. There is actually a far larger question than any of that.

    At some point during the Malcolm era of Liberal leaders she wanted to donate a significant sum of money to the cause, ostensibly in exchange for introducing some guests to Malcolm. The nub of what is vaguely being reported in the media is that ASIO raised some sort of concern about the individuals and that the donation did not subsequently occur.

    The question for Ms Liu (and Australia’s current PM) is who were those people, how did she know them, and was their donation dependent on meeting Australia’s then PM, and what were the grounds for the advice to the then PM not to meet them, which subsequently led to the donation not occurring.

    Maybe someone in Malcolm Turnbull’s old office might like to step into clarify what did or didnt happen, or maybe Malcolm might like to step out in public, put his arm around ScoMo and declare that there are no issues whatsoever with what unfolded.

    • TailorTrashMEMBER

      I’d like to see Malcolm come out and put his arm around Scomo and say “this is my leader “
      …..now that would be something
      Suspect as this drags on Scomo is going to sustain some real unrecoverable damage …..Malcolm must be loving it.

    • I’d be very surprised if Malcolm is anything other than silent on this matter. ASIO told him not to take donations and attend a fundraiser and he complied. Makes Turnbull look squeaky clean under the circumstances and if he starts waffling he’ll either say something potentially incriminating or provide the right sound bite to get the media speculating. Silence is golden, especially for former PMs

    • With all the profitable massage parlours in Australia, you get to do the next best thing.

      We can call it ‘negative, sideways diplomacy’.

      Reusa, thrusting forward in Australia’s interests !!

  7. ScoMo’s first big mistake. When you think about it, it reeks of desperation from Scomo and his minions.

    • But if you were going to make a mistake with a slim majority in the house this is the one to make

      Perception of foreign influence (and Chinese to boot) – check
      recrudescence of the S144 concerns which roasted the whole of the last parliament – check
      Involvement of security services – check
      self immolation of individual on home turf TV – check
      political donations – check
      Economic hail Mary in the air (house prices and interest rates) soon to descend into the waiting arms of commodity prices, unemployment, debt, and budget stringency – check

      • Recrudescence is the revival of material or behavior that had previously been stabilized, settled, or diminished. In medicine, it is usually defined as the recurrence of symptoms after a period of remission or quiescence,[1][2][3] in which sense it can sometimes be synonymous with relapse. In a narrower sense it can also be such a recurrence with higher severity than before the remission.[3]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recrudescence

        • Glad you liked it

          I slipped it in to a missive further up my tree a few weeks ago along with ‘catastasis’ and ‘nombrilisme’

  8. MountainGuinMEMBER

    Not that long ago we kicked out parliamentarians who were born oversea or had parents born overseas where the foreign citizenship had not been revoked. This was due to a line in the sand in the constitution about potential foreign influence.
    But some who was a long term propaganda member for another country, who lied about this membership, who provided alot of cash seeking access to PMs is A.O.K…..

  9. I used to think the commenters here might be a bit harsh about our open house attendant in chief.
    I see I was wrong.

  10. This is not about Morrison and China, this is totally about Morrison protecting the LNP’s one seat majority. Chisholm is a marginal seat and a by-election could swing to Labor. A Labor win won’t make much of a difference to them but will mean the LNP will loose their majority and with it the bullsh1t facade they’re a portraying as a government with a crushing majority. The crossbench will have them for lunch. If the Libs had a 4 or 5 seat majority, Liu would be gone by now. This is nothing more than Morrison’s political self interest outweighing national interest.

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        Just lie back and think of the diversity in political thought that this is adding to our society.

        The bedrock upon which a cohesive society is built are the shared values which shape our attitudes towards things like:

        i) Social Status;
        ii) Political views;
        iii) Attitudes to freedom;
        iv) What constitutes corruption;
        v) What is and what is not immoral

        The list goes on and on – Multiculturalism ISN’T just about going to the Moomba festival and trying some Sudanese biscuits and Goh.

        Acceptance of diverse Multicultural values is what Australia as a Multicultural nation is all about – as you have previously said, ‘this is who we are’

        Surely this is a far better outcome and policy than the racist immigration policy that we had prior to 1973?

        Conditions of immigration into Australia
        Australia’s immigration policy is directed towards the maintenance of a socially cohesive and homogeneous nation. It seeks to avoid the creation of permanent minority groups resistant to integration even through successive generations. The policy does not exclude persons of any ethnic origin; but it does exercise prudent caution in the matter of accepting large numbers of people with substantially different backgrounds, characteristics and customs who may resist general integration even in the long term.

        Thank God/Allaha/Buddha/Confucius/Baal that Gough Whitlam got rid of that racist immigration policy, prudent caution is obviously code word for supremmacist.

      • Morrison’s to stupid to see it that way; we do, he doesn’t. Morrison is about protecting the one seat majority, aiding and abetting the CCP is a distant second. Morrison is desperate to maintain the facade of a dominant Government backed by The Australian and shockjocks as it’s their god given right to trash the environment and beat up.on dole bludgers. Most Australians think this government is stronger than it really is and if it all goes pear shaped, they’re doomed.

    • And if we didn’t have such evident ethnic/cultural enclaves, this would never have been an issue. This is multiculturalism at play.

  11. reusachtigeMEMBER

    With so many hot Chinamen ladies around, why the great Liberal Nationalist Party chose this one is beyond me. Her margin would have been massive if she was prettier. Just look at how the seat of Lindsay was smashed with the biggest margin ever. I’m hoping our great party thinks more along these lines in the future.

    • Think of how great the country would be run if parliament was full of hot women. The amount of dollars we could make out of instagram would be incredible.

  12. Wow. Did you just describe wechat as “dodgy online portal edited in Beijing” ? Paranoid much?

    I didn’t come back here for xenophobia and conspiracy theories. Can I have my membership fees refunded please?

        • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

          You’re absolutely correct Mav. You can’t complain when the Multiculturalism you support results in the importation of cultural values that are not aligned to your own.

          You either support all the multiple cultures operating in Australia, their values and all their historical connections, or you don’t. Picking and choosing which cultures and values you want and don’t want is racist.

          It is far more racist than saying:

          “I’d like to see my culture preserved via immigration policies based around integration and assimilation”.

          Because you are making a Value Judgement from you’re own cultural viewpoint, between different cultural values as to what is good and what is bad, as opposed to merely saying:

          “I want what is mine and to see it continue.”

      • WeChat is how the majority of Chinese communicate. While the Chinese government impose censorship and have ’50cent’ trying to spread influence, 99.9% of the communication is private chatter, advertising, and fake news.

        To call WeChat a tool of Beijing influence is the same as Iran saying Facebook/twitter is a tool of CIA influence. Using WeChat doesn’t turn you into a CCP crony.

        • It would be nice to make political campaigning in a language, other then English, to be unlawful. We need transparency in what campaign policy each party and candidate are promoting and to who.

      • I’m not offended either. It’s important in this day and age to practice your subtle communication skills and to self censor ALL THE TIME. That platform just means you have to hone your skills to an Olympian level which means you’ll be streets ahead of everyone else when the worm turns here

  13. Always wary of politicians who are said to be good fundraisers. They are often bought. In this case by the CCP.

  14. Didn’t that Jesus bloke say something about not being able to serve two masters? Remember? Can’t remember clearly, my Christian days are sooooo long ago. hahaha

  15. Jumping jack flash

    Well, arguably we’re on the cusp of the next great depression so we will need a good dictator to pull us out of the mire first and then take over the world with our superior technology and intellect…

    Good dictators are difficult to find, everyone is so hands-off and “softly softly” these days…

    Better the devil you know, and all of that.

    • imagine Penny Wong trying to weigh in on this when the Labor Party is in full support of Dan Andrews signing the One Belt- One Road Pact with China in defiance of the Federal Govt and Australia’s geo-political interests.

    • it gets even more weird – Mitchmas turned out to be the MVP of day 1 in the test and now I’m pretty sure that Elon is right and we’re living in a simulation.

      • Have you listened to the Sam Harris podcast re: Simulation Theory?

        @ Jim : from your comments it seems anyone not white and male and Christian might be a bit suss. Am I misinterpreting the tenor of your comments across the spectrum of them? But to your point, does the ALP support Comrade Andrews?

        to be clear, I am no Labor apologist.

        • @Hadron importing people en masse from low trust societies such as China and India into a high-trust European society such as Australia doesn’t work and secondly, how hypocritical is it for Labor to criticise the Liberals when one of Labor’s own Premiers has signed a pact with a hostile power such as China….that’s called treason.

          • True. You only have to look at how rorting who with all the underpayment issues in the service industry – which has even been noted by the Fair Work Commissioner. Different values in regards to what is acceptable in getting ahead.

  16. Can I just say well done to MB for running harder on this than Labor

    WHEN OH WHEN will you start a party or lend your heft to CA? (no, not the Peoples Judean Front of Sustainable Australian Party Hard Wayne)

  17. Utter rubbish. The overwhelming majority of the 1.2m Australians with Chinese heritage do not support the Chinese communist dictatorship. Only those with connections to the communist party (aka spies) would be offended. It’s a slap in the face to the Hong Kong protestors demanding democratic rights.

  18. Scummo has two options;
    1. Jump out of bed with Beijing quick smart as per Dave’s suggestion or;
    2. Outsource the role and function of ASIO to China quick smart

  19. It’s not really that much of a surprise that the LNP would seek to weaponise a million Chinese living in Australia for its own shallow political purposes. Even if a large majority of those Chinese still felt an obligation to the Communist Party of China.

    The shallow, ambitious, treacherous, neoliberal LNP cohort of the past 20+ years has trashed the conservative, democractic principles of the Party that once sought to preserve the social and cultural and economic fabric of this country.

    They are frauds, with a haltingly charmless, hypocritical evangelical autocrat as their leader.

    They deserve nothing less than the full contempt of every thinking citizen of this country.

    • The only people weaponising the Chinese are the Labor Party…..what is the NSW Corruption Commission?? What is the Labor Premier signing the One-Belt One Road Pact with the Chinese Government in complete defiance of Federal Govt policy and Australia’s own geo-political interests??

      • When the proportional size of any non-Anglo European ethnic group becomes sufficient enough for any political party to weaponise them, then you have to acknowledge firstly that your immigration policy has straight up just failed, and secondly that your political system is actively working against its own citizens.

        • @Meet Who agreed, however the Labor Party’s policy is to align our cultural values with China. So not only are we going to demographically replaced/colonised by Chinese, one of our major political parties will appease this by aligning our own values with China as well, all enabled by the very people we entrust to look after our nation’s interests.

      • When the proportional size of any non-Anglo European ethnic group becomes sufficient enough for any political party to weaponise them, then you have to acknowledge firstly that your immigration policy has straight up just failed, and secondly that your political system is actively working against its own citizens.

          • In their own countries, and they elect to do so, then yes.

            The same as the demographic make ups of China, India, Japan, Nigeria, Peru, Iran, etc, etc.

            You would only think otherwise if you think white people aren’t entitled to self determination like these other groups.

            You really need to let go of your hatred of white people.

          • @mav just like the ethnic Chinese have the God given right to be the ruling majority in their own country, it’s funny how you don’t see the mulit-culturalism trope peddled in China and other parts of the world.

          • I don’t hate anglos and I don’t make broad brush derogatory comments about anglos at all. So I don’t know where you got that idea from.

            And before anyone misrepresents me again, I am all for reduced immigration from all parts of the world and make it more proportional instead of being skewed to Indians and Chinese
            Oh.. and to bust the stereotype here, my new neighbor in Tarneit is an Anglo.. yay! 😁

          • I would say generations of Australian-born locals (including those that aren’t of Anglo stock), have more say in how Australia should be, then any new arrivals.

          • Mav is an interloper, before Australia it was the US (and who knows whereelse), that comes to each country to enrich himself of the cultural spoils of previous generations of the host country.

            He loves what mostly Anglo countries have produced (based on Judeo-Christian values), but then ridicules said countries for wanting to maintain such values.

          • Your words betray your antipathy towards white people, and no lies of denial can alter this.

            We’ve seen the outcome of further immigration as the 70’s morphed into the 80’s, then the 80’s morphed into the 90’s, then the 90’s morphed into now. it has been an abject failure to the lives of most westerners as they’ve seen their social services degraded, their stock of intellectual property pillaged and in places like Rotherham, their children subject to the horrors equal to wartime occupation. What’s more, they’ve all been predictable outcomes.

            Nowhere in history do we see non-whites in a position of governance over whites, and have the whites been anything other than oppressed. In all liberal western European heritage countries we see white govern non-whites to a place of prosperity in excess of their countries of origin.

            What white countries have is unique and superior, its seems absurd to allow those who cannot build or maintain this, to dismantle the governance due to nothing more than a racial head count.

            As Stewie says, the immigrants are guilty of nothing more than being selfish ingrates. But their head count will only result in turning our countries into the sh*tholes they fled. There is no magic dirt than can reverse their ingrained cultural desire to exploit white people.

          • @ chase “Mav is an interloper, before Australia it was the US (and who knows whereelse), that comes to each country to enrich himself of the cultural spoils of previous generations of the host country.
            He loves what mostly Anglo countries have produced (based on Judeo-Christian values), but then ridicules said countries for wanting to maintain such values”.

            correct, they simply see Australia as an ATM.

          • 😂. I have said nothing derogatory about the whites or the anglos (except for the Paul Keating cultural cringe reference, a viewpoint that I agree with). So tell me how that works unless you can mind read.

            As for the rest of your drivel, you are apportioning blame for neoliberalism on Indians & Chinese? WTF.. AFAIK, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Paul Keating, John Howard et al .. the neoliberal political leadership are an all white team. Still, I wouldn’t blame whites for neoliberalism. I blame the leadership, not an entire continent.. punch up.. don’t punch down.

          • The irony here is that the “interloper” is a paid member/supporter of this very blog whereas the rest of you are freeloading losers 😂😂😂

          • “I have said nothing derogatory about the whites or the anglos”

            You’ve said plenty derogatory about white people.

            “So tell me how that works unless you can mind read.” Well there is explicit communication, which you’ve expressed, and then’s there’s tacit expression, you’ve also done plenty.

            Your antipathy towards white people oozes, as I said, it’s best you let go of that racial hatred.

            “As for the rest of your drivel, you are apportioning blame for neoliberalism on Indians & Chinese? WTF.. AFAIK, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Paul Keating, John Howard et al .. the neoliberal political leadership are an all white team.”

            I think it’s clear most of us apportion blame to them, and that happens to be dissent in a different forum. What we’re dissenting here is the dismantling of our functioning societies by selfish ingrates who seek nothing more than to exploit white people.

            Whether they’re opportunists of our altruism, whether they think they deserve is as a tribute, it doesn’t matter each way. All I know is the inherent racism non-whites have towards whites will lead to a lesser quality of life for my forebears.

            “Still, I wouldn’t blame whites for neoliberalism. I blame the leadership, not an entire continent.. punch up.. don’t punch down.”

            I never wanted to punch anyway until non-whites punched whites fuelled from their racist views, and told us we’re bigots for saying we don’t want to be on the receiving end.

            “The irony here is that the “interloper” is a paid member/supporter of this very blog whereas the rest of you are freeloading loser”

            There is no irony. Users are explicitly invited here to participate (albeit in quarantined sections), assimilating to the conduct required here and being grateful for the experience.

            Lack of invitation, assimilation and gratitude is more in line with the ‘interloper’ label.

          • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

            A fair comment Meet Who.

            I genuinely believe that they come here to exploit the economy and not white people, that would imply they see us as being more capable of delivering a functioning society capable of better meeting their needs i.e. superior and I’ve never met an immigrant who thinks white people are superior.

            To believe anything other than it being simply due the economy robs them of all moral justification for being here and perpetuating their own cultural values from within the society that was built by colonial Australians – predominantly from Celtic Ireland/Scotland and Anglo England.

            They genuinely believe that the economies and societies that we have here in the West happened by historical accident, as a result of brutal exploitation of other nations and cultures, and as such they have equal right to come and plunder it back.

            That is simply not true – it was the investment in social capital and the cultural values that promoted, that enabled them to accumulate the knowledge and investment that made it possible for them to go out and then brutally exploit other regions, as primitive societies have done throughout history.

            We know that it isn’t magic dirt holding back other parts of the world that fail to launch. The West’s success repeated many times around the world, China being the most recent example.

            Those countries and people that fail to launch do so for two reasons, firstly differences in national median IQ (genes account for up to 60% of the gap) and CULTURE which accounts for the rest.

            That is why Korea and the Congo are where they are today, despite Korea being reduced to a flattened ruin after nearly 200 years of continuous warfare and occupation, and starting well behind the Congo which gained independence with the most infrastructure in Africa outside of South Africa.

            To Mav’s question: But why? Do the anglos have the god given right to be the dominant ruling majority?

            I’d simply repost RP’s reply:

            In their own countries, and they elect to do so, then yes.

            The same as the demographic make ups of China, India, Japan, Nigeria, Peru, Iran, etc, etc.

            You would only think otherwise if you think white people aren’t entitled to self determination like these other groups.

            I agree with Mav at the very least Australia’s immigration settings should be at the very least be being run on a proportional basis. I don’t think we should exclude or ban any race, but I think some realistic honest conversations need to be had about what sort of society we want to live within, and to what degree do we want alien values and differing capabilities injected into our own.

            At the very least I would like to see a return to an immigration policy something like this:

            Conditions of immigration into Australia
            Australia’s immigration policy is directed towards the maintenance of a socially cohesive and homogeneous nation. It seeks to avoid the creation of permanent minority groups resistant to integration even through successive generations. The policy does not exclude persons of any ethnic origin; but it does exercise prudent caution in the matter of accepting large numbers of people with substantially different backgrounds, characteristics and customs who may resist general integration even in the long term.

            Australia’s cultural and social destiny should lie in its own hands, and not be determined by some UN dictate or cabal of crony capitalists.

        • @Mav Indian’s and Chinese simply see Australia as a country to loot, plunder and colonise evident in the number of adverse regulatory decisions Govt Departments make where the owners of the business are from the aforementioned groups.

          • The Fair Work Commissioner has confirmed that their is cultural issues from foreign born business owners, where it seems it is okay to rip off your staff to get ahead.

  20. ErmingtonPlumbing

    This Gladys issue will be the end of ScoMo.
    To many who have forgiven his other transgressions will not forgive him for this one.
    Sure in the very short term it suits him to avoid a by-election,…but long term he is now as tarnished as Dastyari.
    This now,…Along with the 1997 Engadine Maccas incident,…makes him beyond the Pail to more than a million voters who once support he and his party.

    • Discerning voters are not as stupid as to give their preferences to the ALP/Green Alliance ahead of the flawed Lib/Nats. That Alliance is determined to utterly destroy Australia and turn the country over to China. It is simply not possible to turn them around into an acceptable future government. The rot started with Whitlamb (for whom I voted) and the determined population replacement program by people from Asia/Middle East/Africa is totally entrenched there, helped by the indoctrination in our education system, from primary school to high school and university courses. Scumbag ScoMo is all that now stands between our few remaining liberties and Oz becoming a Chinese province via the Alliance. ScoMo is lying on behalf of Gladys in order to save his government’s control of the HoR,

      If we want to clean out the traitors we have to vote in very large numbers for ON, even if we do not care for Pooline. Join Mark Latham to help make ON the future government of Oz. Stop wasting your time trying to reform what can not be reformed at the ALP.

  21. Why worri? Just lie back receptively and think of China. Adopt position that best suites your preferences.