The users guide to scamming Australian visas

Bravo Crikey and its new investigative unit, INQ:

The man sitting opposite us says he has found happiness. He lives in a small rented room in an outer Sydney suburb. He works a 60-hour week in a low-paid maintenance job from which he could be fired at any minute. He travels three hours a day on trains and buses to get there. He has no Medicare cover should he get sick. And it’s a whole lot better than where he came from.

We’ll call him Raymond (we can’t use his real name, for reasons which will become obvious). He arrived at an Australian airport from Malaysia four years ago on a tourist visa. Within a month he applied for refugee status. His claim — that he feared religious persecution back home — was not believed by assessors from the Department of Home Affairs. He lodged an appeal against the department’s decision, as is his right. But more than two years later he still doesn’t have a hearing date. The odds are that his appeal will fail, but in the meantime he’s got the protection of a bridging visa. This means he can remain in Australia and work until his legal avenues run out.

Raymond’s is one of more than 20,000 cases listed as “active” at the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT). The tribunal puts its clearance rate of refugee cases at 38%. A year ago there were 14,000 cases. Since then, the appeals have poured into the tribunal at the rate of around 200 new cases every week. And the more cases there are, the longer it takes to clear them.

Gaming the system has proven remarkably simple in a country that proudly parades its “tough-on-borders” credentials to the world. Raymond is happy to show INQ how it’s done. He opens his phone and taps into a private Facebook group run by a man called Jebat Joe, a Malaysian national who oversees the Australian end of a labour recruitment syndicate.

Jebat Joe has nine tips on how to get through customs for anyone who arrives on a tourist visa at an Australian airport and hopes to stay permanently:

  • Don’t bring big suitcases and say you are only in Australia for one week’s holiday. Travel light.
  • Don’t appear nervous or scared.
  • Wear neat clothing. Don’t look messy.
  • Delete all data and contacts in your phone regarding work in Australia.
  • Don’t bring too little money for a holiday.
  • Have a return ticket.
  • Not having a hotel booking is a problem. Have a booking for one day at least.
  • On your declaration card say that you are coming for a holiday and that you don’t have any personal contacts in Australia.
  • Don’t ever say you are coming to Australia to work. If your English is no good use two phrases: “I want holiday” and “I have money”.

Jebat Joe underlines the importance of appearance. A major reason people don’t get into Australia is that they “don’t have good clothes”. Ladies, he said, should “dress like a diva”.

Jebat Joe is part of a larger system that has paved the way — at a price — for thousands of Malaysians to make money in Australia, a step taken more often than not out of necessity.

Next, Raymond shows INQ the online site of a man known as Zed, who worked in Australia but has returned to Malaysia. Zed works alongside Jebat Joe to recruit Malaysians looking for work in Australia. Anyone seeking a job must pay a minimum fee of $300. In Australia, Jebat Joe’s operation does deals with contractors who are looking for workers, and his operation takes a percentage of the total labour cost. It’s a scheme that mostly operates through closed Facebook or WhatsApp groups.

Raymond has barely travelled outside Sydney, yet his knowledge of Australian regions and their fruit produce is vast. He’s able to recite it flawlessly: “Coffs Harbour, blueberry. Robinvale, oranges and grapes. Cairns/Mareeba, mango. Darwin, mango. Perth, strawberry. Mildura, oranges.”

Raymond has gleaned his knowledge from job notices posted on sites like “Kerja di Australia” (“Work in Australia”). At the time of writing, the website has a callout for blueberry picking jobs in Coffs Harbour.

Raymond has a wide circle of Malaysian friends who, like him, entered on a tourist visa. Most have made a living working on Australian farms while, like Raymond, they wait for the system to decide on their refugee application. For those working on a farm there’s a strict protocol, he says. “They don’t talk to the farmer, and the farmer does not talk to them,” explained Raymond. “The farmer only deals with the [labour] contractor.”

In the world of Malaysian farm labourers, the contractor — who might be Malaysian but equally could be Indonesian, Chinese, or Lebanese — holds the whip hand, according to Raymond. Workers are paid in cash, usually every two weeks.

“If the contractor wants to play bastard he will call immigration. Then immigration will come and the employees won’t get paid,” said Raymond.“They don’t think they’ll be caught, only if the contractor calls immigration.”

The Malaysian visa scam began on a small scale but escalated five years ago and is controlled by syndicates in Malaysia. In Australia, gaming the system relies on a legal framework that guarantees a fair hearing for anyone with a claim for asylum. At the centre of that system is the AAT, which has been driven to a state of virtual meltdown. These are the numbers:

  • In July 2016, there were 17,480 cases at the tribunal’s migration and refugee division — by May 2019, that number had grown to 58,442.
  • In 2014-15, the AAT had on hand 8587 applications for onshore protection visas (asylum) — by 2017-18 the number stood at 27,931.
  • In 2014-15, there were 327 applications from Malaysians. In 2017-18, that number had grown to 5825.
  • The average time to process an application is now 600 days.

Those statistics sound horrific, but the long waiting times are very good for business. Abul Rizvi, a former deputy secretary of the Immigration Department, says this state of dysfunction is exactly what labour-hire syndicates need: “It’s not much use bringing a worker out to Australia and only having them for a week. They need a worker to stay for years to keep making money from them,” he told INQ.

“The beauty of it, is that it is completely legal for those on a bridging visa to work,” Rizvi explained. “The visa system, and by implication our borders, have never been so out of control.”

There is much more at the piece.

Bernard Keane adds his voice to the outrage:

The abuse of Australia’s onshore humanitarian visa application system by employers poses a growing threat to the wages and employment prospects of Australians, as well as having national security implications — and it’s getting worse on the watch of a government that claims to be tough on border control.

With onshore humanitarian visa appeals cases in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal at nearly 60,000, and with 10,000 new cases a year, onshore bridging visas now represent a substantial addition to Australia’s already large pool of temporary labor.

While some think tanks cheer temporary migration, it’s become clear that foreign students and working holidaymakers — who together form the majority of the more than 900,000 temporary workers in Australia currently — are the victims of widespread and often industrial-scale exploitation.

The FWO noted in its annual report for 2017-18:

Migrant workers and visa holders continue to be one of the most vulnerable worker cohorts, and are continually over-represented in disputes as well as our compliance and enforcement outcomes.

The report of the government’s Migrant Workers Taskforce, released earlier this year, noted temporary migrants were “particularly vulnerable to unscrupulous practices at work” and that “[t]he underpayment of temporary migrant workers has become more visible in recent years as the number of temporary visa holders in Australia has grown substantially over that time.”

It’s now clear the exploitation of temporary migrants goes beyond foreign student and working holidaymaker visa holders and includes a new industry of temporary workers gaming the onshore humanitarian visa application system to work in Australia.

For these workers and the employers who exploit them, exploitation isn’t an opportunistic feature of life in Australia, it’s the entire purpose of their arrival in the country. And the numbers — there are around 180,000 bridging visa holders — are large enough to make a significant impact on the wages growth and employment prospects of Australian workers and other temporary workers.

At last MB is not alone and the Fake Left is fracturing.

Cut immigration hard. It is the only way to end this shocking restructuring of the Australian economy towards slave labour.

Houses and Holes

David Llewellyn-Smith is Chief Strategist at the MB Fund and MB Super. David is the founding publisher and editor of MacroBusiness and was the fouding publisher and global economy editor of The Diplomat, the Asia Pacific’s leading geo-politics and economics portal.

He is also a former gold trader and economic commentator at The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, the ABC and Business Spectator. He is the co-author of The Great Crash of 2008 with Ross Garnaut and was the editor of the second Garnaut Climate Change Review.

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  1. It’s broken. Completely broken.

    That’s why we need the Australian people to petition fir a Royal Commission into our broken borders and corrupted visa system.

    And the intake settings, migration controls and visa enforcement (and the AAT) authority to taken away from the government (any government of the day) and placed in the hands of an Australian Immigration Authority that represents that Australian people.

    Because no government, LNP or Labor can be trusted.

    🔹Sneak in on a tourist visa, work & live illegally, appeal to the AAT and get a 5 year stay full work rights, usually end up with some spousal or sponsor fraud & stay forever.
    190,000 bridging / protection visas.
    90%+ found to be fake / false claims.
    But they get a 5 year plus stay with full work rights as they cascade thru categories A to E.
    And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
    We have some 8.8 million tourist visitors a year.
    Over 440,000 or 5% of them are estimated to be here working illegally (DHA / ABF parliamentary submission 2016). The number has only gone up since.

    🔹Enter as a foreign student.
    712,000 of them – 615,000 as a primary, 63,000 as so called ‘Partners’ & 34,000 via DFAT or special visas.
    Doesn’t matter if your clearly an end of life Chinese, Korea or Taiwanese sex worker or a Thai ladybody, a Nepalese rural, a Chinese Hukuo petty criminal, Indian slum clearance on fake papers & fake health check, a Bangladeshi ummah, a Malay long term unemployed, Indonesian villager – all are welcome.

    Pay the bribes, the feeder intakes & agents taking commission, the false funds borrowed or self declared, only checked once then used for the next one or never even checked. The first semester of the ‘English learning class’ or some year 12 4 week course packaged up as a 3 year certificate or diploma – then off to the brothel (legal in nsw), the factory, the restaurant, etc all cash in hand, fake ID, living in the cash in hand bunk share in the grubby little ex Australian unit invariably owned by some foreign local & then go for the COE & visa churn.
    75% or 534,000 work illegally (Syd Uni / UTS)

    🔹Cant get into Australia or have been kicked out?
    Then via NZ. Even easier. work & live illegally in NZ until you get the passport stamp, then enter Australia on a SCV permanent stay & full work rights.
    690,000 NZ SCV with some 260,000 being non NZ born and another 290,000 Indians Chinese south east Asians, Africans etc in NZ stacked up in the queue.

    🔹Come in on a ‘skilled visa’ 150,000 of them but only 70,000 as a primary and less that 6,000 genuinely skilled – the work documents bought at the railway station for $150 plus the $250 bribe for the fake health check.
    We have 1.5 million Australians unemployed and another 1.1 million seeking work…
    We have youth & regional & rural unemployment rates at over 20%.

    🔹Come in on the partner or spousal visa – the backyard ‘religious wedding’ or to your cousin or someone in the village – the ‘2 for 1 visa’ – no checks, full work rights.

    🔹Come in as backpacker / working holiday -another 150,000 or more – pay the agent & farmer bribe to say you did the 90 days rural or regional ‘make work’ and get an extension.

    And so we end up with:
    2.561 million third world unskilled TR/SCV
    And another 440,000 Tourist Visitors working illegally.

    ➡️ 3 million.

    3,000,0000 non residents
    1 in 8 people in Australia.
    And at least 1.5 million in blatant visa breach.

    90%+ who are in Sydney & Melbourne.

    That’s right – 2.7 million in just those 2 cities.
    1.3 million TR/SCV in Sydney
    Another 200k tourist visitors working illegally.
    1.5 million non resident migrant guestworkers.
    🔻1 in every 3.5 people
    Crammed into migrant guestworker slums that have spread like a chancre across our city suburbs.
    Congesting public transport, overloading our dams & public infrastructure.

    Melbourne, pop 5 million.
    At least 1.1 million TR / SCV
    And 200,000 tourist visitors working illegally.
    -> 1.3 million
    1 in 4 people.
    Same.

    More migrant guestworkers than Gaddafi at his peak.

    Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth, Hobart, Canberra – all little mini me recreations of the same migrant guestworker explosion and migrant guestworker slums.

    Nationally – 3 million unskilled migrant guestworkers that have destroyed jobs, wages, housing, education, public services, infrastructure.

    Lowering Australian wages by 6.8%
    Lowering our gdp per Capita.
    Lowering our productivity.

    Where do they all live?
    They live in ‘private shared accommodation’ the ABS code for migrant slum share.
    Living in an average of 6 or more per dwelling in over 500,000 ex Australian modest units & small houses.
    At twice if not three times the normal Australian occupancy ratio, Fake ID, all cash, working illegally, no tax paid, no social or economic contribution, only here to steal.

    Why aren’t the Australian people out on the street?

    Why isn’t our youth picketing the fake foreign student institutions & pillorying the corrupted chancellors who prostitute ‘education’ as a visa alibi.

    Why aren’t the unions and employee advocate groups demanding controls on the migrant intake?

    Why aren’t our 1.5 million unemployed and 1.1 million seeking work given a voice in this destructive migrant guestworker onslaught?
    And what about the 116,000 Australian permanent homeless and 340,000 Australians seeking affordable housing – squeezed out of our cities or put on the stree by the foreign criminal syndicates buying up their modest housing, evicting them and converting it to cash in hand migrant slumshare.

    Questions here.
    🔻Why aren’t Australian families and our young people who are being denied affordable education, work & a decent wage, housing affordability or any reasonable expectation of a good standard of living out on the street also protesting this migrant guestworker onslaught?

    🔻Who was ever given a choice?
    When exactly did the Australian people ever ‘vote for’ 3 million third world unskilled migrant guestworkers to be allowed in?

    🔻How come 2.561 million TR / SCV and 440,000 illegally working tourist visitors – at least 1.5 million in blatant visa breach appear to escape any visa control or visa enforcement?

    -/-

    This is why a people’s petition to the Governor General for a Royal Commission is needed.

    To strip the government of border control & visa policy and place that in the hands of an Australian citizens representative authority.

    The first task of the new people’s immigration authority is to direct the DHA and all law enforcement to crack down and deport at least 1.5 million migrant guestworkers in visa breach that should never have been allowed in.
    And then to control & restrict any migrant guestworkers that enter to much tougher standards.

    • Royal Commissions are a complete WOFTAM. The banking RC proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. The only way this gets resolved is with pitchforks but there’s no hope of that in this country. The debt slaves will do as they’re told.

      • McPaddyMEMBER

        Agree. RCs are only allowed to happen so the muppets can be placated long enough till they’re distracted by what’s happening on the next season of Masterchef or The Block.

    • Is it any surprise that retail spending and the general economy is so soft, when so much of the wages earned these days goes to people who spend the absolute minimum amount possible on day to day expenses whilst living in crowded share houses and working seven days a week, who then remit the remainder of their earnings back to family overseas?

  2. Mining BoganMEMBER

    Were these fruit picking jobs in the bush the ones that McCormack clown was talking about? Yet again it looks like our kids have to leave the country, contact a scammer, then return to be fully employed at a very low rate of pay.

    Straya. Winning.

    • So what is the answer?
      Hold him in detention while he waits for his appeal hearing? Withdraw from the UN Convention on Refugees?

      • Have an adjunct department that randomly selects applicants for full audits of their claims and fast tracks their appeals process, maybe getting it down to a month all up. Do this enough times and even though the risk relatively low you’ll fracture the business model. Suddenly, you could only be here for a month, and you’ll be tied up in bureaucracy. Is that low pay rate worth it? What about the fees your paying?

      • I’ve said before that we should withdraw. That will stop all these shenanigans.
        Then direct all that detention centre money overseas where it’s more cost effective.

      • McPaddyMEMBER

        What about beefing up random labour inspections? Once asylum cheats aren’t able to undercut the minimum wage the whole business model is blown up. But of course, I’ve answered my own question there.

      • In addition they should be forced to have their pay plaid into an Aussie bank account & submit a full living expenses report (so her agent etc can’t rob them easily) every week & not be allowed to send any money overseas. This would remove much of the incentive, wouldn’t it?

      • Appoint an army of sessional members in offices to get through the backlog with harsh time limits and no appeal rights.

      • Immediate deportation if you come in on any other temporary visa and then claim asylum (heck fly them first class if that’s all the seats available, if that’s what it takes; it would end up cheaper then the appeals process and giving work rights.

        They can fly into another country that isn’t Australia, and claim asylum for Australia from another country. Simples.

    • They might qualify by doing that MB, but they’ll need to be of specific heritage and appearance to qualify. Take Robinvale for instance, as highlighted in the article above. I hear an Asian guy runs the entire labour supply process up there. Owns a house or two, puts them up in these places at a charge and exclusively sources his workers internationally. He’s the go to bloke in town and can make anything happen. Has a good relationship with the local coppers I’m told and gets left alone. Aussie kids have no hope.

  3. reusachtigeMEMBER

    Oh FFS give it up! The likes of the whinging bludger who comments on here aint gonna get their pretty game-machine playing metro fingernails dirty out in the cotton fields. We need these dedicated and hard working, umm WORKERS, to get the job done at a good price so that profits can be maximised and so that they can get food on the table for their families. It’s a win win arrangement. Why don’t youse commies move to commieastan where you will be much happier!!!

  4. This is yet another urgent imperative for a Royal Commission. Why do we desperately need Royal Commissions in so many areas where government has failed?

  5. So Crikey gets a “bravo” for this?

    He lives in a small rented room in an outer Sydney suburb. He works a 60-hour week in a low-paid maintenance job from which he could be fired at any minute. He travels three hours a day on trains and buses to get there. He has no Medicare cover should he get sick. And it’s a whole lot better than where he came from.

    Seems to be exactly the same message I’ve been disseminating here for years when explaining that the immigration tide is not going out. That clean air, clean water (+scam Medicare) and $10/hr and living in a single room in Sydney is still much much better than going back to sleep on a dirt floor in Bumfvckistan.

    I even managed to do my analysis without an “investigative unit”.

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        They need to be creating employment for regional Australia by building detention camps without air-conditioning in the far outback, preferably on the edge of some salt planes with an ambient Summer day time temperature of 44c and night time temp of 4c…. where they can house EVERY refugee claimant who flies into Australia to claim refugee status, until their various appeals can be heard by the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

        Just think of the employment opportunities it will create for regional and Indigenous Australians.

      • Of course they need to move to migration cuts.

        My point is not that. My point is that there are plenty of people here who are pretty sanguine (even cheerful) at th construction slowdown.

        The logic seems to be:
        construction bust -> unemployment -> bunch of (economic) migrants go home -> house price bust due to both unemployment and depopulation -> nirvana.

        Of course if migrants don’t go home, as they won’t, that sequence does t quite work.

        The reality is more like this:
        construction bust -> unemployment -> existing migrants stay and new migrants keep coming -> even more awful housing shortage as apartments don’t get built -> new level of housing hell.

    • Um, Malaysia is actually not that bad. Its certainly not third world anymore. Keane needs to spend more time outside Canberra.

      • PalimpsestMEMBER

        It’s pretty good for anyone lower middle class or above, just as Australia is. Fall below that cutoff through unemployment or a reliance on irregular part time or manual work and anywhere that offers work becomes appealing. Even in a tourist mecca like Bali, there are plenty of desperate people for whom AUD10 per hour is wealth.

      • Shit, man, someone needs to tell “Raymond” that – I’m sure he’ll drop his bullshit refugee claim and go back immediately when he hears the news’

        Ahahahahahaha!

      • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

        The worst thing about Malaysia are the Malaysians. Raymond and his migration agent, parasites that they are, being a prime examples.

  6. Cut immigration hard. It is the only way to end this shocking restructuring of the Australian economy towards slave labour.

    but our lords want “slave-labour Australia” and the best to get it done is to:
    1. get local population into big debts on the back of rising housing prices
    2. once they start feeling rich get rid of welfare state
    3. import foreign slaves to create initial downward push onto wages
    4. wait . . .

    after a while there is not going to be need to import slaves anymore … once housing collapses, unemployment jumps and locals go into negative equity they work for anything and will have no time to protest

  7. Hill Billy 55MEMBER

    The parental visa also takes forever. Friend who is 71 is on the list, and has been told his application will take another 15 to 20 years. He pays a $50 visa fee every 5 years and waits out the system. He’s in private health and confirms that his health costs far exceed the cost of the contribution he makes. Was rather upset when he found he had to pay the medicare levy on his income. Thought the pte health insurance covered it. One small win for Straya

    • So he is in Australia already. And all it costs is $50 every 5 years?

      Fark me, can I get a deal like that in the US, where I can use all their infrastructure for $10 per year?

  8. The ineffable social justice of endless migration must at all times prevail. Labor and Greens decry as one voice the barbaric notion that the 17m electors or their tanking environment have any rights in the matter.

    • DominicMEMBER

      At least the LNP are just thinking ‘economics’ (more consumers) with regards to migrants.

      The Greens and Labor think it’s the inalienable right of any ‘world citizen’ to go and live where they want and enjoy the hospitality there — and if anyone objects they are raycists and quite clearly ‘far right wing’!

      • True. At least the LNP is starting to cotton on that the economic numbers aren’t working out as hoped for from their darling new consumers from the third world.

    • The Traveling Wilbur

      Someone fitting that description is more likely to think that the issue here is the inordinately long waiting time and the associated uncertainty with appeals being heard. And then the fairness of the final decision.

  9. I only read first paragraph and an idea just crossed my mind.
    They need to start a some sort of a pre requisite for substantial visas as they called it. For those who are on tourist visa should not be able to apply any visa onshore.
    Seriously, I believe this is ONLY one of the loopholes in Australian Immigration.
    I myself is a migrant, I came to Australia as an international student, I studied Master in Accounting.
    I finished my study and applied for a graduate visa which lets me to stay another 18 months.

    During those 18 months, I found a company that willing to sponsor me and so they did.
    Long story short, I was sponsored and eligible to apply for permanent residency under ENS transition stream.
    Meanwhile, the company hired a graphic designer, worked around 2 months and got sponsored under ENS direct entry.
    He applied his PR a month earlier than mine. His visa was granted and mine was refused.
    Reason of refusal: the company is deemed to not be able to pay my salary for next 2 years – I work for over 5 years at the time, going almost 7 years now.
    So company nomination was refused and my visa automatically refused as well.
    Funny part, well it’s not funny actually, more like ridiculous: I prepared the company documents for my and the other person’s visa application with the same exact information. It shows me that Australian department of home affairs has no proper standard in processing visa applications because one application was refused and the other one was granted.
    I understand that each application as its own merits, but in this case, I don’t see what kind of merit it is.
    Different stories but my point is, these issues are stemming from those sitting in your government, who create bills, rules etc without carefully realising the impact on people lives. And when they realise it, it’s already a bit too late.

  10. The Traveling Wilbur

    Does this all make Tony Abbott a *lot* smarter than we thought he was?

    This looks exactly like the kind of system that you would design ahead of time if you wanted an army of slave labour pushing down wages overall in the economy and wanted to ensure there was no media backlash against it once it, inevitably, became a story. It didn’t happen this way by accident.

    • Jumping jack flash

      It actually started with Labor, with Gillard and Rudd.

      However, Howard did have Wokchoices to try and achieve the same thing without requiring opening the gates. Workchoices basically meant that everyone was just paid less.

      After its unsurprising rejection, Rudd and Gillard had to think of another way to lower runaway incomes.

      The scare tactic used at the time by Howard and the new RBA was wage inflation pushing up inflation, pushing up interest rates. That no longer applies. Debt has since ballooned to the point where interest rates can’t rise even if they wanted to lest the whole system implode.

      So if foreign workers were originally used to lower wage inflation, and now the RBA and everyone wants wage inflation to return, you’d think that they would simply stop the immigration, wouldn’t you? Maybe they’ve all forgotten the plan?

      The reason for the immigration now is to enable wage theft so business owners can obtain more debt in hyper-competitive and globalised markets without raising prices. Raising prices would simply make everyone move to a cheaper vendor, or one overseas, and the vendor who raised prices would cease existing.

      Its little wonder that business owners, and banks, and probably everyone who matters, thinks that immigrant workers are amazing.

    • But at the expense of overloading the court system, to which federal government pays the tab?

  11. Bravo Raymond and all his ilk. They are the new aspirationals. They are the ones who Scumo was signalling to when he sermonised:
    “If you have a go, you will get a go”
    How good is Straya!

    • Jumping jack flash

      +1

      Cheap immigrants – enabling business owners to take on more debt since around 2010.

  12. DominicMEMBER

    It gladdens the heart to think how much taxpayer treasure is being squandered processing and policing this farce.

  13. tripsterMEMBER

    The only way this scam can be fixed is to introduce stringent prescreening and hoops for tourist visas for countries who – through what has occurred to date – produce most of the claimants. That will stop most coming here as tourists who are not genuine. The failing has come about due to granting tourist visa to easily to third world countries

    • Or deport those that claim asylum on a temporary visa, such as a tourist visa. I’m sure they can fly to another country, and put in their asylum claim from there.

  14. The truly astounding thing is that this appeared anywhere other than MB. It’s what I expect to see at MB on a daily basis, but at Crikey? Fvck no.

    Maybe the tide is turning?

  15. Asylum should only be considered outside of Australia. No coming in on any other visa and claiming asylum – immediate deportation at that stage – think of how much time and money would be saved by doing away with the appeals process?

    • DominicMEMBER

      The bleeding heart liberals would be outraged. Cue endless current affairs programs on the ABC and other lefty mouthpieces howling at the injustice of it all — they’ll all be persecuted, even murdered if sent back. Honest! (Wink, wink)

    • It’s not a crime to seek asylum!!! [Guardian readers]

      I agree with you – straight to Manus for anyone claiming asylum onshore – no work rights. (And if Manus is closed then we build a massive centre at Maralinga or Wittenoon).

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      Asylum should only be considered outside of Australia. No coming in on any other visa and claiming asylum – immediate deportation at that stage – think of how much time and money would be saved by doing away with the appeals process?

      Indeed. Because in countries torn apart by war, or you’re someone whose life is in danger due to their religion, sexuality or cheeky comments on social media, it’s totally a simple matter for someone to just drive to the nearest Australian embassy, fill out some paperwork, then go home and wait until it’s processed.