China muzzles world as it…ahem…”re-educates” Muslims

Via the FT:

At any other time or in any other country, the incarceration of as many as 2m people on the basis of their religion would be a global scandal of epic proportions. But the relative indifference of the world to the plight of the Uighur ethnic minority and other Muslims in the western Chinese territory of Xinjiang is a sign of Beijing’s rising power and its ability to control global discourse well beyond its borders.

In recent interviews with the Financial Times, the leaders of Indonesia and Pakistan, the two most populous Muslim-majority countries, feigned total ignorance of the situation in Xinjiang. In both countries there have been public protests over Xinjiang and government ministers have publicly condemned the situation there. But Joko Widodo, the recently re-elected president of Indonesia, and Imran Khan, the prime minister of Pakistan, used strikingly similar language to deflect questions and avoid even oblique criticism of the Chinese government’s treatment of Muslims.

…Beijing has been extraordinarily successful at neutralising most criticism of its Xinjiang policies through a combination of threats and inducements. In December, the human rights commission of the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation, a 57-country grouping that describes itself as “the collective voice of the Muslim world”, criticised China’s treatment of Xinjiang Muslims on Twitter. But then, in March, the OIC reversed this position, issuing a report “commending the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens”.

…It is not just Muslim countries that have been cowed into silence. In the aftermath of the horrific mosque shootings in Christchurch in March, Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, earned great praise throughout the Islamic world for her sensitive and empathetic response to the tragedy. But on a trip to Beijing barely two weeks later, Ms Ardern refused to mention the situation in Xinjiang, despite public calls from Muslim and human rights groups to do so.

Pass the barf bag.

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      • BoethiusMEMBER

        (a) Via the ABS, just under 20% of private household consumption is imports from all sources. Some proportion of that 18% will be from China. 20% is a very long way from 90%.
        (b) Whatever the share is, when deciding to buy good x or good y, we can always exercise a moral choice over whether to purchase the cheaper product from China or switch to a more expensive alternative source, and where there is no alternative source, we can ask ourselves whether we really need x or y anyway.

        I give you VWs as a good place to start:
        https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-47944767/vw-boss-not-aware-of-china-s-detention-camps

    • Just thank your blessings they are in camps as China could have followed the Nazi model and sent these 2 million up the chimney if had they wanted to, closed off this area to everyone without security clearance and then denied it for 10-20 yrs.

      The West and the Arab nations would do nothing.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      No way man. I just got me a Huawei p30 pro and it’s farkn ace! The camera is so far ahead of anything else on the market. And the linked network runs so smooth.

    • TighterandTighter

      I agree, she needs more chili flakes in her Kow Tow.
      I added rice to mine and it was nicer

    • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

      Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, earned great praise throughout the Islamic world for her sensitive and empathetic response to the tragedy. But on a trip to Beijing barely two weeks later, Ms Ardern refused to mention the situation in Xinjiang, despite public calls from Muslim and human rights groups to do so.

      Nothing sums up the Progressive value set more than that. Pathetic.

      • It really is. Say one thing. Do another. The Chinese approval rating is at roughy the same figure as the USA. Nobody should be counting on a bailout. Ain’t gonna be one.

    • didnt see her cuddle up to christians when they got hit by similar lunatics in sri lanka….think she was still loving the limelite from CNN and cohorts saying she’s such a world leader…

      • kiwikarynMEMBER

        The only upside from Jacinda’s desire to stay in power is that she canned the CGT. I think I shall don a hijab in celebration.

  1. Large numbers of religious fanatics willing to die so that they can amble off to paradise to receive their 72 virgins, confronted by a tyrannical dictatorship determined to maintain an iron grip on power and that will brook not the slightest dissent. Seems like one of those irresistible force versus immovable object situations.

    I dunno about the Indonesians, but I suspect that the Pakistani gummint don’t want to annoy their large Northern neighbour who also supplies most of their weapons. If the USA or anybody else was doing this though I reckon there’d be Muslims detonating all over the world every few seconds in protest.

    It’s gonna be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few years.

    • It’s interesting how Muslims are quick to claim kinship based on nothing more than a nebulous idea that they all share the same beliefs when it suits, but in this instance… nary a peep.

      It’s almost like the claim is one born of convenience more than anything else.

      • Exactly! If only more leaders of democratic governments would follow China & wouldn’t stand for sh*t wrongful be better off.

  2. kiwikarynMEMBER

    Not much discussion about Muslims in Muslim countries murdering other Muslims in ethnic wars on a daily basis either. So why are we surprised that no one is talking about China?

    • C.M.BurnsMEMBER

      if you’re referring to the ongoing “civil war” between Sunni and Shia muslims, they don’t view each other as muslims, but more akin to heretics.

    • It’s how they were pushed out of Spain. They were too busy fighting each other and noone came to help each other when the Reconquista got going. It was every caliphate for themselves.

  3. I don’t get why people are so entranced by the likes of Jacinda Ardern, Penny Wong and Tanya Plibersek. Yes, they all sit on the fence and try to make everyone happy and whisper sweet nothings to not upset anyone. But talk is cheap, and action is little. NZ is not exactly utopia. What about poor Jeffery who wants an Auckland home?

  4. *sigh* it’s all so depressing. But remember folks it’s the straight haWhite male that is the problem right now.

    • So true homie.

      Most days it’s all I can do stop myself rapering, not checking my privilege, and microagressing. I’m using plastic in the microwave just hoping my nads shrivel up and make me a better person.

    • kiwikarynMEMBER

      You should just give up, start taking female hormones, and become transgender female athletes.

  5. kannigetMEMBER

    The chinese in general dont allow religion, this is not solely a Muslim thing. Its only an issue of note because the focus at the moment are muslims….

    • C.M.BurnsMEMBER

      and also because the geographical density / centralisation of the Uighur means that the PCC has the “need” and the ability to take a centralized means of control. Whereas controlling Christianity and other religions amongst the broader population requires a different approach.

  6. ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

    Over a decade ago I was working on a commercial kitchen reno in a large Nursing home in the south west of Syd and had to work back late into the night to Finnish before the next day.
    I was required to be supervised by this security guard, he was a Syrian fellow and like me very talkative and opinionated on Geo Political matters.
    We spent hours talking about US imperialism, 9/11, Islamic terrorism and religion.
    I didn’t let on I was an atheist and allowed him to assume I was a Christian.
    He spoke in favour of Sharia law for Musl!m people, extreme modesty for their women including his insistence on his wife wearing the Niqāb instead of the headscarf like hijab.
    He even justified honor killing of young women who bring shame on their all importsnt family names.
    He expressed respect for the “Christian West” for allowing Islamic people to live by their own religious standards within the Christian western Countries.

    It was all very friendly with no one else about, chatting away.
    He later went on to say “it is written” (exactly where he did not say) that the Muslim world and Christian world will join forces in the future to fight a third world war against the Satanic Athiest Chinese.
    The Jews, who according to him were responsible for September 11, would also all perish along with the Chinese,….and the Hindus incidentally in this 3rd world war.

    It was an odd and entertaining evening finishing of that kitchen.

    • Stewie GriffinMEMBER

      What fabulous cultural values he is adding to our own – Australia’s future as a peaceful oasis is assured as his children, unburdened by the gratitude their Father has in being allowed to live in Australia, seek to preserve and project their values forward into the future and competing with our own.

      You secular Atheists and your namby-pamby values of tolerance and understanding had better watch out !! lol

    • You were trying to Finnish? Is that code for drinking vodka and eating reindeer in a sauna?

    • Scary to think that there are people like that walking around freely in Australia.

      • @ Stewie and @ zaxxon

        Stewie great work as usual; MB should be paying you for your input.

        Zaxxon, had a traddie in my home, called Mo short for you know who. His ending to the story ( like EP above ) was that Islam was the last great religion and that they would rule the world because they will just out breed us.

        He laughed that western democracy, being a numbers game suits them because they will have the numbers by 2100.

        Seriously scary stuff.

  7. bigpadaricoMEMBER

    This is clearly a horrendous situation and the numbers are mind-boggling, but it’s a bit of stretch to claim that this is somehow a unique response. The attention given to oppression and genocide is always dictated by economic and political pressures. How much do we know about the Armenian genocide? Rwanda? The Roma? Pygmy Australians? Or to take a current slaughter, Nigerian Christians?

  8. Where are all of the Chinese shills that guarantee China could destroy the western world at a moment’s notice?

    “You go now!”. CNTZ. And so is Ardern. And so are filthy Aussie politicians.

  9. Mylifeforaiur

    I imagine there would have been a similar air of dispassioned apathy when Hitler was rounding up the Jews in concentration camps during WW2. What China is doing to these 2m Uighurs could, without too much of a leap in imagination turn into a humanitarian disaster which may only receive the condemnation and attention it deserves well after the fact. No leader or country has shown the cojones to call out China for what it is doing whilst the virtue signalling SJWs of the world like the NZ PM feign moral outrage and concern for 50 victims but remain silent on the plight of 2m. The word Hypocrisy seems to sum up perfectly the attitudes and conduct of the progressive left. It’s easy to be outraged when there is little economic and political cost to you but when that cost is potentially great, principles and values are the first casualty.

    • triageMEMBER

      To be fair, the Uighur are a turkic people and that none of the turkic nations are making a fuss of the situation makes it much harder for others to take the lead on this. From memory Turkey’s president kicked up a stink when Thailand handed over some Uighurs who were claiming refugee status to China but to a large extent all the turkic stans seem indifferent.

  10. kiwikarynMEMBER

    When Sharia Law is eventually implemented throughout the West, or it becomes like The Handmaids Tale – we might all end up becoming refugees seeking asylum in China. I’m actually all for the Chinese determination to be religion free, in case China ends up being the only “safe space” on the planet.

      • kiwikarynMEMBER

        I havent lived there, but on the occasions I have visited it seemed a pleasant enough place. Shanghai and Beijing are not much different to any of the big Asian cities such as Jakarta, Hong Kong and Bangkok. I think provided you have a good social credit score you’ll be fine LOL

      • John Howards Bowling Coach

        Yep. I am there often enough. It’s no good, I doubt I would ever live there. If I had no choice, I would find some way to make another choice. You don’t want to live in China. Not even Shanghai or Beijing. It’s not just the crushing overpopulation or the pollution but the people who are dishonest in the extreme and have no manners or values beyond naked greed.

    • I guess if the Chinese government choose to cut a live man with a scalpel to steal his liver and kidneys, san anesthetic, then China gunna just do it! Horrendous!

  11. reusachtigeMEMBER

    Well if those Muslims behaved they wouldn’t be getting extinguished in concentration camps! Successful people do their hardest to achieve a higher social credit score. These trouble makers do not.

  12. The CIA were in there helping give Russia a Muslim problem in Chechnya. What I wonder is to what extent the CIA is in there giving China a Uighur problem?

  13. the_bystander

    >Put it this way: mocking Donald Trump and his administration or criticising American policy will not trigger US sanctions. Countries, companies or, indeed, newspapers that attempt the same with Xi Jinping and China do so at their peril.

    Sadly, leaders like Trump will see China getting away with literal murder and decide that perhaps sanctions and executive overreach ARE in fact perfectly legitimate means of suppressing opposition. Perhaps if progressives were a little less busy suffering aneurysms over the latest confected outrage on Twitter then world governments might do something to alleviate the Uighers’ plight

  14. John Howards Bowling Coach

    A good friend who is a Han Chinese but grew up in Xinjiang told me 20-30 years ago it was all good, the Uighur population and the Han Chinese all got along fine and worked together. The men wore the white hat but were all moderate Muslims. She went home a couple of years ago and said they are now wearing the burka. Her childhood friends were reluctant to meet her, life has now changed under the global influence of Islam V the world. I am no fan of the Chinese Government, but it is evidently no happening solely because the CCP are a totalitarian dictatorship (which they are), but the Uighurs have made trouble for themselves and the CCP are never the type the back down, they don’t respect any type of international rules, they do what they want and f%%k you to the outside world.

  15. robert2013MEMBER

    When you don’t stand up to bullies early they get worse. So far only Trump and Duterte have stood up.

  16. The situation is very sad. All the Uighurs I’ve ever met during the many years I lived in China were lovely people and quite moderate with their religion as far as I could tell (ie they’d drink alcohol). One needs to ask why after so many decades of them relatively peacefully accepting Han rule that they started to fight back. I suspect the answer to that is not quite clear cut but I would stake my life on policy over reach being a major factor. The soul of the Han polity strives towards total domination, domination is not enough, it must be all encompassing.