New ageing Australia visas to be available from April

By Leith van Onselen

The Productivity Commission’s (PC) Migrant Intake into Australia report, released in 2016, recommended significantly tightening parental visas and raising their price, given they are costing taxpayers an estimated $335 000 to $410 000 per adult, or between $2.6 and $3.2 billion per annual intake in present value terms (and growing):

There is a strong case for a substantial increase in visa pricing in relation to some elements of the family reunion stream. This would provide scope to recoup at least a portion of the high fiscal costs typically associated with immigrants in this category. In the medium term, the allocation of parent visas should be revised…

The contributory visa charge of just under $50 000 meets only a fraction of the fiscal costs for the annual intake of roughly 7200 contributory parents. And an additional 1500 parents make a minimal contribution. Overall, the cumulated lifetime fiscal costs (in net present value terms) of a parent visa holder in 2015-16 is estimated to be between $335 000 and $410 000 per adult, which ultimately must be met by the Australian community. On this basis, the net liability to the Australian community of providing assistance to these 8700 parents over their lifetime ranges between $2.6 and $3.2 billion in present value terms. Given that there is a new inflow each year, the accumulated taxpayer liabilities become very large over time. This is a high cost for a relatively small group.

Ultimately, every dollar spent on one social program must require either additional taxes or forgone government expenditure in other areas. It seems unlikely that parent visas meet the usual standards of proven need, in contrast to areas such as mental health, homelessness or, in the context of immigration, the support of immigrants through the humanitarian stream, and foreign aid.

Given the balance of the costs and benefits, the case for retaining parent visas in their current form is weak.

The PC’s subsequent Shifting the Dial: 5 year productivity review also doubled-down against parental visas, claiming that their long-term costs to the Budget are immense:

… parent visas, which provide a short-term benefit to the budget via visa charge income, but impose very large costs in the longer term through their impacts on expenditure on health and aged care, and social transfers. In previous work, the Commission estimated the budgetary costs associated with the 2015-16 parent visa intake alone to be $2.88 billion in present value terms over the lifetimes of the visa holders. By comparison, the revenue collected from these visa holders was only $345 million. Ten year estimates of the fiscal effects of the current parent visas would show a similarly stark disjuncture between revenue and costs, and would therefore provide the insights for a more informed policy decision on the pricing or desirability of these visa types than the current decision-making framework.

With this background in mind, up to 15,000 sponsored parental visas will be granted each year, starting from April 2019. From SBS News:

Migrants who wish to bring their parents to Australia for longer periods will be able to lodge a sponsorship application to sponsor their parent for the much-debated new temporary Sponsored Parent visa from April 17th this year.

The legislation tied to this new visa which allows sponsors to bring their parents to Australia for longer periods was passed in November last year…

Applications for the visa are intended to open from 1 July 2019…

The Sponsored Parent (Temporary) subclass 870 visa provides parents and grandparents with a new pathway to reunite and spend time together through having the opportunity to visit Australia for a continuous period of up to five years.

There is also the opportunity to apply for a second visa for another five years after a short period outside Australia, meaning parents and grandparents will be able to spend up to 10 years in Australia…

The new temporary Sponsored Parent visa being introduced by the government has disappointed certain members of the Indian community, who have said the new visa is ‘too expensive’.

The new parent visa will cost migrants $5000 for a three-year visa, $10,000 for a five-year visa and $20,000 for a ten-year visa.

Along with visa fees, children will have to bear the financial burden of healthcare for migrant parents, with sponsors legally required to act as a financial guarantor for any outstanding public health costs incurred by the visa holder.

Arvind Duggal, an Adelaide resident, who kick-started the ‘Long Stay Visa for Parents’ campaign that saw national participation before the federal elections, told SBS Hindi they will continue to fight for a fairer visa.

“Our fight to make it fairer and affordable to everyone in the community will continue regardless,” Mr Duggal told SBS Hindi.

This version of parental visa is better than the one initially proposed before the 2016 Federal Election, since it will require sponsoring children to be financially responsible for medical costs as well as limiting the visa to one set of parents per household.

Unbelievably, the open borders nutters at the Labor Party vehemently opposed these sensible safeguards – as if having four elderly people draining Australian taxpayers and crushing infrastructure is preferable to two.

Regardless, these new parental visas are unambiguously poor policy and a very bad deal for incumbent Australian taxpayers. This is because aged migrants will add pressure to already strained economic and social infrastructure and will not work, pay taxes, or contribute in a meaningful way to the economy.

Existing residents will be required to foot the bill for the additional federal government investment in hospitals and infrastructure required to keep up with the expected migrant influx.

Moreover, because these migrants would be old, and likely be heavy users of health services, they would place upward pressure on private health insurance premiums for everyone else. They would also place greater pressure on health care professionals – both private and public – whose training is paid for, to a large extent, by the taxpayer.

Stupidly, our federal politicians have chosen to increase the quantity of elderly migrants flowing into Australia, thus adding to strains on infrastructure, housing, the Budget, as well as exacerbating the aging of the population.

Rather than trying to ‘fix’ the Budget deficit by cutting back spending on welfare and other important community programs, they should first tackle wasteful and illogical programs like parental visas.

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Comments

    • It’s like me saying I’ll retire in Ireland (having been a brief tax payer for 6-7 years there) in my 80s and leech off their health system. Seems unfair doesn’t it? I think so.. but that’s exactly what’s going on here..

      • proofreadersMEMBER

        The list of leaners in Straya is endless – immigrant grannies, franking credit “refund” pensioners, negative gearers, CGT discount beneficiairies, pollie pensioners, etc etc, etc

      • I plan to go spend my working life in 0% tax location and come back to Australia when i’m 75 and live off a credit card linked to a foreign bank account with my stashed millions. I hope you enjoy paying for my healthcare 🙂

      • Judging by the huge surge in the numbers of 1ndian and Ch1nese grannies and grandpa’s in my neighborhood, there seems to be no restriction at all on the migrant intake – who knows how they all get in?

      • You obviously did not understand the article. The children are responsible to pay for all medical costs of their parents!

    • This is so wrong.
      We can’t even look after our own old, poor or sick Australians.
      And we are bringing in even more third world non tax paying elderly as a social & economic burden that wiill cost billions.
      Why isn’t every Australian out on the street protesting this?

  1. “…given they are costing taxpayers an estimated $335 000 to $410 000 per adult, or between $2.6 and $3.2 billion per annual intake in present value terms.”

    And the question that needs to be asked is, “for what benefit?”

    A. To solve the population ageing crisis?

  2. Why do we have a responsibility to reunite families, when a family member leaves their home country for economic purposes?

    Even if the cost of the elderly parents was covered by the sponsoring family (which I doubt), these people still take up space – be in on the roads, public transport, emergency waiting rooms et al.

    We have no obligation to host these people that contribute nothing.

    I have never heard of an Australian moving overseas, and bringing their elderly parents along too.

    • My partner is an ex Pom. Moved here in 1998. She goes back to visit her Dad regularly. The idea of bringing him here is absurd.

      Nobody should come to this country with the expectation that they’ll be able to subsequently drag their useless and ageing parents along with them.

    • Entitlement seems a feature of the caste system. Also, to not allow expensive unhealthy elderly parasites to migrate from a crappy to a less crappy country is rac1st you see.

      • Spot on. As soon as one gets an employment contract, the first thing they look for is number of days off.

    • I’ll tell you why they (Indians / Chinese) like to bring their elderly here. Cheap Labour.
      With elderly parents here they get a ‘free’ baby sitter, cook and cleaner.
      I have worked with many many people from those nationalities and they alway bring home cooked (by mum) meals for lunch, get their parents to baby sit while they are at work and also do all the washing. They come home to dinner on the table, house cleaned and bub in bed. Life is easy when you can treat your parents like your own personal slave.
      One particular entitled Indian lass I worked with complained bitterly when her parents had to go home as she said her and her (working) husband would now struggle as they had to look after their child, cook and clean.

  3. DominicMEMBER

    What’s the issue? We’ve MMT to pay for it all.

    On which note, why TF do I even pay tax if the RBA can just print up all the money the government needs?

    Come on you MMT’ers, let’s have it!

    • Not an MMT’er but for a FIAT currency to have value you must have taxation otherwise they are just pieces of plastic, also for equity reasons it might be a good idea to have some taxation to level the field a bit. Hence, as I understand it under an MMT system (which we are actually in) taxation is required to fundamentally provide value to the money system.

      • DominicMEMBER

        I was just being sarcastic but, yes, a fiat currency derives its value from the fact you can settle your tax bill in that currency. That said, the day that no one accepts that currency as settlement of anything is the day the currency dies.

        It should be clear that if Coles no longer accepts paper money in exchange for goods then public sector workers sure as hell won’t, and so on …

        Fiat money is still, at heart, little more than a confidence trick sustained by the taxation angle.

      • @dominic.
        That is true of anything including gold.
        The day people stop thinking gold will be accepted by others as valuable, is the day it’s value vanishes.

    • StephenMEMBER

      Just for any observers (parent post is just trolling) – firstly, MMT itself doesn’t ‘pay’ for anything, it simply describes how monetary systems already do operate (but that understanding can give policymakers more options because it dispels mythical fiscal limitations placed on the Government by mainstream theory, but at the same time highlights real resource limitations that are ignored by the mainstream).

      And secondly, the purposes of taxation (given that it doesn’t technically “finance” any Government spending in a modern economy – it’s just that current policy makes it look like it since that’s what everybody was used to from the old gold standard days) is 1) to create a baseline demand for currency, 2) to maintain price stability and give the Government “fiscal space” to spend into without causing excess inflation, 3) to express Government policy in encouraging certain activities/industries (through tax breaks) or to discourage them (by taxing them more heavily – e.g. on tobacco products) and 4) to express the Government’s policy with respect to the optimal distribution of wealth.

      • DominicMEMBER

        I would respectfully just chime in here that MMT is just another name for a scheme that has been tried hundreds of times in the past and has failed i.e. led to the eventual demise of the currency. Venezuela and the demise of the Bolivar is a more extreme example but is illustrative of what happens in the end.

        Since the inception of the Federal Reserve the US Dollar has lost around 97% of its purchasing power — this is a direct result of the expansion of the money supply over that period. During periods (over the past 100yrs) where there was some kind of gold backing the rate of decline was stemmed somewhat — gold is like a brake, it instills discipline that a fiat regime does not.

        In any case, I believe MMT is coming because, in a crisis, pollies will do anything to keep the restless hordes at bay. We’ve had QE which served the wealthy and the banks (and expanded wealth inequality) so when the next crisis breaks (very soon I believe) a more extreme, more citizen-friendly form of money printing will be introduced: MMT. This episode will almost certainly bring about the demise of the existing fiat money regime. The existing system is very fragile already (the GFC very nearly did for it) but the next crisis will likely be the nail in the coffin.

        I’m not preaching — the MMT crowd are most welcome to their views — but I have been a student of money and economics for more than 20yrs and I have pretty sound feel for what’s coming down the pike. Good luck!

  4. The new temporary Sponsored Parent visa being introduced by the government has disappointed certain members of the Indian community, who have said the new visa is ‘too expensive’.

    Well fcuk them, then. If they want to belong to an Indian community with their old rellos and can’t afford to pay for it, they should join them back in India. And two grand a year is “too expensive”?? If these tosspots are so povvo that they can’t afford that tiny amount, they need to spend more time in their Ubers.

    “Our fight to make it fairer and affordable to everyone in the community possible for Indians to bring their doddery relatives here to suck all the life out of the health system and all the other infrastructure built up over generations that they have never contributed a penny to in their entire worthless parasitic lives will continue regardless,” Mr Duggal told SBS Hindi.

    Fixed it.

    Jesus this fills me with rage.

    • DominicMEMBER

      Hard to see the benefit here, agreed. Must be ‘white guilt’ or some such airy fairy progressive nonsense.

      In any event this sh!t won’t last — the system will be brought to its knees eventually. A parasite can only live off its host for so long. Best be wealthy when this goes t!ts (or FFS don’t get ill).

      • An elderly parasite on the aged pension at 65 will cost around $980,000 in pension costs and another ~200,000 in medicare.

        The boomers are leeching much more than they ever paid in tax. The system cannot last.

      • DominicMEMBER

        @Ottoman
        I’d be curious know where you got that 980k number from — it looks a bit rich to me.

        State pension is $20k per annum roughly so $400k is they live 20yrs ..

    • “It’s unfair,” Mr Duggal said to the tax-payer funded Hindi language service (not to be confused with the tax-payer funded Punjabi language service).

      • Lenny Hayes for PMMEMBER

        To be fair, you aren’t thinking about it from the perspective of a wanna be career politician in a marginal seat where the migrant community makes for a powerful vote bank.

        It makes a lot more sense if you just put yourself in the politicians shoes, surely they can’t be expected to oppose the demands for the good of the country ?.

      • Well actually they are the representative of their electorate, so they should be representing their wants, even if they are against the national best interest. You just hope that as part of a democracy there are not enough to swing a vote in parliament.

    • I got an idea – why don’t they go to a country which has cheaper visas then? Meerkats and all that jazz, no?

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      It’s a bit unfair to these Indians considering they’ve all been lifters and bought land on the fringes of our cities to build nice houses for their aging parents to live in.

    • We must be “Good Global Citizens”. Others don’t need to, though, apparently.

      • I’m not bitter towards my countryment. I’m well peeved at these self-entitled immigrants who want to come here and then bring their doddery old parents along to exploit our services and infrastructure without ever contributing to those things. Those people aren’t my countrymen. They’re hostile foreign invaders. They’re destroying my country. They’re my enemies.

        I’ve paid vast amounts of tax over a 40 year career which has been used to pay for roads, schools, cops, firemen, defence, medicare etc etc. Why should someone be able to come here who’s finished working, and enjoy the benefits of all that without ever having paid a cent for it, to the detriment of me and (more importantly) my children?

  5. GunnamattaMEMBER

    Time for an overt political campaign

    No access to social services without a taxpayer contribution

    Applies both to new ageing immigrants and to tax avoiding locals

    All taxes paid should be accessible and in the public domain

    • Agree. I don’t know why we are granting permanent residency to migrants arriving at 50 years. They have about 17 years of contributing little in tax (due to the lower salaries they obtain), and given their age (and poorer health outcomes then those born here), are high Medicare users, before they qualify for a complete pension (as they have little in super contributions). Lunacy.

      I would love to know why exactly we are doing anything and everything to appeal to Indians and Chinese. Are we now that crap that this is the only calibre of migrants we can attract?


      • Are we now that crap that this is the only calibre of migrants we can attract?

        Yes, if continuing to attract he same number of migrants is a goal.

    • If you are an Australian citizen who has paid tax all their adult lives after a 7 year absence overseas you have no automatic entitlement to public health care in Australia. This is irrespective of paying tax on domestic investments, bank accounts, shares and company tax for businesses you own in Australia for that full 7 years.

      Contrast this with what is offered to non-Australian citizens who are related to someone who obtained citizenship via the university study visa scam system.

      Isn’t it about time that the rank hypocrisy of this was better known? It totally shocked me to learn this recently as it suggests that your citizenship via birth and ancestry means much less in practice than citizenship via the back door as a service to the ‘diversity’ industry.

      Why?

      • It’s only going to get worse with the vote blocking of the Indian community. They will soon be over-represented in Canberra and a determined major minority getting what they want. And we let it happen.

      • I know I’m harsh, but it’s hard to justify saying they are mentally challenged just because they are !ndian.

      • I am talking about the locals who haven’t contributed much tax during their lifetime because they are handicapped. Should they be allowed to have access to social services?

      • Yes BobnVagene they should.

        The reason is that they have probably come from generations of family who were citizens and paid taxes and contributed to a nation. The equal ‘entitlement’ idea for immigrants is predicated upon ‘equality’ and ‘equity’ as a level playing field yet this concept fails to look at the rights of those who have already contributed over generations of social, cultural and economic capital. It is they who are being abandoned by this faux PC rhetoric that proposes that citizens have no more rights than anyone else.

        Yes, people who have been here for generations and have built a community and amenity have more right to it. It’s just that no one likes pointing that out. It’s high time that a spade was called a spade.

        As an immigrant you don’t have more rights than a citizen to dilute the pool of resources. You have less. The family of citizens are more entitled to public services and amenity than a family produced by a reunion program.

      • I don’t agree with you Clive. An individual who has built a community and contributed his share of tax is rightfully entitled, but his whole generation ? No.
        According to this logic, a local hard working tax paying individual from a family of convicts/immigrants is not entitled to equal rights as other citizens.

        If the community feels the need to help the disadvantaged, it needs to be done through non profit organisations, not through national social services.

      • Bob – the reason why we have social services is to prevent crime, reduce impacts upon dependent children and to ensure that social stability is maintained – the clue is in the title, “Social Security”. It is not a hand out for nothing.

        Yes, it includes the entire generation because everyone benefits. How would you sleep during a ‘shock’ that produced massive unemployment and the violent crime and theft that goes with? Without giving people the means to feed and maintain themselves and their dependents this is what happens. That’s the responsibility of the entire community as is designed to protect the entire community.

        The main question is whether people who come from outside of this society (overseas) and bring in older members of their family should burden this system so that the welfare net becomes inadequate? No. A compromise needs to be made based upon their tax contribution and the burden to the social security net. It is simple cost-benefit. If you can’t look after your own you are no sort of government.

        Once people are here you need to protect the entire society from the effects of poverty, disease and poor childhood outcomes. That’s why mass immigration is crazy unless the benefit vastly outweighs the cost and future risk. Take a look at the USA – they have your model of welfare and they reap the consequence in social fragmentation and violent crime.

        Currently we are setting up the social security system to fail in future ‘shocks’ by overburdening it now due to foggy thinking and mad immigration policies.

  6. What’s wrong with them getting tourist visas ever year or so, and visiting like a other overseas parent / grandparent would do? Wouldn’t there visits contribute to the economy, like any other tourist?

    • DominicMEMBER

      Now, now … you’re just asking sensible questions and there’s really no need for all that.

    • And to make matters worse, the elderly Indians are the rudest people around – pushy and never smile in public plus always hobbling along and getting in everyone’s way. And the women, every two seconds throwing that damn sari sash over their shoulders.

      Our culture is being diluted by these entitled, arrogant and rude new arrivals (with their children and grandchildren born here less likely to become ‘Aussie’ because they are surrounded by the backwards culture of their extended families).

      • Let me guess, you have been on the receiving end of another Indian Granny Death Stare???

      • Well, to be fair, it’s just not the elderly from the subcontinent. I said a ‘g’day; to an Indian neighbour and just got a blank stare in return. Unless you are in a position to offer them something they feel entitled to, you are nothing to them. But when they think you can offer them something, outcomes the contrived ‘mate’ every second word.

        Please do the needful and give me everything I think I deserve and I will give you nothing in return. By the way, did you know India invented ‘zero’. Yes that’s right, India invented nothing!

  7. No child is going to pay much in the way of their immigrant parents medical expenses.
    I can already see the 7.30 Report sob story about recently-arrived fit and vibrant nanna’s sudden and unexpected stroke, the emergency interventional clot lysis procedure, the week or two in ICU, the month long hospital stay punctuated by costly complications and the months of rehab and the $500,000 medical costs set to crush the poor battlers who can’t, and never will be able to, pay it.

    • And private health insurance consumers should not be hit with higher fees to offset their burden either (if they happen to go via private means).

    • cuturhairMEMBER

      Exactly. The headline will state ‘The Americanisation of Australia’s health system’. And on ABC radio hosts will stick up for the families by stating the elderly are not a burden, and suggest that all taxpayers should then cover the burden.

    • Shouldn’t they be forced to pay for private health insurance (with a premium based on existing health status / conditions). Similar to travel insurance, you pay a premium if you want existing conditions covered. If you are uninsurable, then that would suggest you are going to be a burden to the public system (especially via presentations to public emergency rooms where there isn’t a turnaway policy).

      No insurance, no visa.

      • Doubt it, ED don’t believe in thrombolysis for stroke 😉

        But yes, I can see this happening. I know a story of someone that was visiting from OS (Indonesia), ended up having a year long admission in a tertiary hospital with various complications. Bill was along the lines of $23 milllion. Whadda ya think happened there

  8. Indian community says it’s unfair? That’s rich from a culture that has what, 0.4% foreign born population and an excellent reputation of treating other races well (African students in India the brunt of racial intimidation and discrimination).

  9. How else can they increase the number of people they import from China or India, places where the number of people under thirty have been in decline for more than a generation?

  10. It has to be said, but the 1ndian migrants are the worst migrant group to come to Australia.

    OK, maybe the First National people will say the whyties were, but whatevs.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      Yeah right on! And what’s with that ridiculous head wobble thing? It makes me farkn dizzy. Ban it!

      • They have you fooled. Just try saying no to them and their true colours come out. Or are you getting them mixed with the Tamil or the Nepalese.

        I have no issues with the ones that had come out decades ago, and have integrated into a more respectful way of dealing with others. The children of Indians, born here, no issues, either.

        But the new arrivals are just entitled – as per their caste system dictates.

      • When they want something they work very hard to ingratiate themselves – dropping a ‘mate’ here and there, talking about the sport we like etc. But they are entitled, not as a race, but as a culture.

      • Have you had any meaningful conversations with them or are you basing your opinion on light hearted work commentary?
        Have you asked about their opinion on the caste system? Indians from other states? Pakistanis?
        If there is a rort for something these guys know it.
        Don’t be fooled by the surface layer, dig a little deeper

  11. $400K-ish per year?!

    Why?

    Aren’t the children footing their living costs? Or, are they on a pension of some sort?

    With respect, I hope not…

    For example, I know very well that the Carer pension isn’t even enough to live off. I would be quite disappointed if a Carer can’t receive more for the valuable (and massively cost-saving!) work they do, but parents of immigrants get a wage for simply being parents of immigrants…

    I want to be welcoming, but I don’t think it’s OK to come over here and straight onto a pension, especially when there are others already here that are struggling to get by for no fault of their own (etc)…surely that’s not what is happening?

    • I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what’s happening. It’s not the kids supporting these imported wrinklies, it’s all the rest of us taxpayers.

    • I think the $400K figure comes from the associated average costs in greater infrastructure that needs to be covered during their stay here (extra roads, emergency service numbers, emergency room coverage, community services). This figure probably factors in the cost of healthcare for these elderly people whose children sponsors can’t cover high-cost healthcare of said elderly.

    • it is what’s happening, but the kids have to pay to make it happen. The kids work, the parents get the age pension, live in the house, look after the grandkids. No carer’s pension involved, the grandparents are usually pretty young and able by most standards, but age-pension-eligible with financial contribution from PR kids. Far, far cheaper than supporting them in a foreign country, which was usuallly what the kids were doing before they got them over.

      • So, what exactly did the newly arrived parents contribute tax-wise to entitle them to the pension here? If they put in 45 years’ worth of income tax beforehand for example, this would be easier to stomach.

        What’s the value proposition of this visa subclass for ordinary taxpaying Australians?

      • I don’t think those on this new Parent Visa will qualify for the pension. I know they have to have health insurance, so perhaps that would mean they don’t qualify for any government assistance?

  12. I see many migrants in my job with full medicare cards that can barely speak English. Work that out.
    All Medicare cards should hold biometrics with the cost offset by reduction in fraud

  13. Arvind Duggal came here in 2008 and drives buses! The fake Greens are importing bus drivers while there are a million unemployed Aussies.

    Foreigners should be banned from driving buses, trucks, forklifts. Do not give them a licence.

      • Food delivery on 2 wheels?

        We can think about it after banning foreigners from taking the better jobs that I mentioned above. Then we can look at weather or not foreigners should be banned from selling cigarettes/petrol between sunrise and sunset.

        Ban foreigners from working as accountants and IT men unless they pay $52k/year in tax.

        Gas reservation is not enough. Job reservation is desperately needed.

    • haroldusMEMBER

      Also, confirming they should be on >$100k too.

      Edit: You changed your comment!

  14. So this is potentially the super amount a nurse saves in their lifetime being doled out to new arrivals as assistance. Is this place stark, raving mad?

  15. haroldusMEMBER

    Where’s teh doc?

    Probably busy in the ED removing insertions after “cleaning accidents” on the weekend.

    “Well, I was cleaning my collection of Ken dolls in the bathroom, naked, when I managed to slip on some spilled QV lotion, and hit my head and blacked out. Imagine my surprise when I came to etc etc etc”

    • I imagine he’s overwhelmed taking care of all the elderly foreigners who’ve just arrived from overseas and have shown up at his ED with chest pains, diarrhoea, the ague, antibiotic resistant TB, tropical parasites, whatever….

    • Yeah, the old QV lotion/Ken doll combo defence. Doc must be so sick of hearing that one.

    • From my sister in law at her clinic: “I was just stepping over the fruit bowl on the coffee table …”

  16. Is the elderly parent visa a carrot to entice more third-world migration? A ploy for more votes?

    Because without it, I’m sure we would still get the same number coming.

  17. The vibrant immigrants who arrive to these shores should not be reduced to a number (costs $x per year to support them etc). These are real people with real feelings and such a privileged nation like Australia has an obligation to do what it can to reduce world suffering and lift living standards, even if it means privileged white folks have to put up with slightly longer wait times in the ER department and it takes a few minutes longer to get to work. Privileged white folk have had it too good for too long and it’s about time they shared their white privilege with the less fortunate vibrants pouring into our country. In a democratic system like we have, it shouldn’t be too much longer before the white vote is reduced to a minority and white privilege is erased forever. Please open teh gates bigly with more family reunion visa options!

    • I actually can’t wait until white folk are reduced to a minority. Then their opinion might actually get heard.

  18. Don’t you get it? Importing more old people will exacerbate the “ageing population crisis”, which means we’ll have to massively increase immigration to get more young people in who can work in aged care. Then they’ll bring their parents, rinse and repeat.

    GENIUS! How else are we going to keep this Ponzi Country going?

  19. TailorTrashMEMBER

    I live in an area of the north shore that used to be exclusively Anglo. It is now majority Asian ( Chinese and Korean ….a tad too expensive for the Indians )
    All those now Asian owned houses have a set of resident grandparents who wave and smile and speak little to no English .
    They appear to be working as nannies ,cooks , gardeners and putter out and taker in of bins . So all these new arrivals in the neighbourhood who were brought in to support the aging population have now brought in their own aging parents to support ( and get support from existing taxpayers ). It will be intresting to see how many can come in before the entire system collapses . And if it’s 15000 per year you can expect that figure to be rorted to double or more .

  20. WoW. Such rage usually among illiterate white trash. Most Aussies are decent people. FYI, myself & wife came 2006 on highly skilled professionals PR, paying above 50k tax per year joint, only one child, never been to hospital, still have private cover, parents never visited Aus, & never will. We see them back once every two years. Late grandfather served British India Army & faught Japanese in Burma during WW.

    • I’m a very decent person. But this is just getting out of hand. Even with your fancy private health insurance and all your years’ of paying $50K in tax a year is going to mean nothing if you get taken into a public emergency room and you have to wait a long time whilst Mr and Mrs Elderly Who Don’t Speak English gets a lifetime of ailments treated.

    • Nobody is against the importation of staff on $250k/year.

      For the sake of your child’s career, you should be against mass immigration. Not to mention the overcrowded trains.

    • HadronCollision

      How are you only paying 50k tax in total for 2 people on high skilled visa?

      I pay 45k a year in tax on one income

      Or am I missing something

      • Cash in hand is easy when your boss is also Indian.

        Why do you think Indian PM Modi had to make a surprise phase-out of their top two printed notes? (Holders of the notes had to replace them at a bank for the new currency, and explain how they acquired the money in the first place.) It was to crack down on the absolutely insane levels of tax evasion in India.

        We must also be insane if we think that Indians coming to Australia will magically become 100% tax compliant, particularly when Indians reach a certain critical mass where they can purchase from and pay eachother.

        Widespread tax-compliance is an almost exclusively Northern European (and their descendants) trait. We have grown up in cultures where for thousands of years the societies were open and we assisted eachother with survival. In most other parts of the world (with the exception of possibly East Asia) it has been all about tribal-group preference.

      • Yeah, I noticed that. I contributed $58K+ to the common good last year on a single income. I’m glad that money will be used to provide for the welfare of lots and lots of useless old foreigners.

  21. It will all collapse when stamp duties dry up and we’re left with the prospect of paying huge costs to support Indian migrants who take more than they give (heck they even sex selectively abort females into the second generation). Just wait.

    • Hopefully the scheme gets dumped. One day a public figure, with a great deal of credibility, will articulate how mass immigration from India and China has been at a great cost to Australia.

      It would be great to see an analysis of the amount paid by this group in tax, versus how much they use in public services (Medicare, public schooling, rebates), and how much is spent regarding associated costs that come from the endless stories of fraudulent activities (childcare rorts, tax fraud, migration fraud, education rorts).

      • Yes, lots here would love to see an honest lifetime public cost/benefit analysis for these immigrants. Also taking into account the OS remittances and reduced local spending/tax arising.

  22. A mate of mine was bumped back in the queue at Box Hill Hospital because the translator had to knock off early. Most of these grand parents have little to no English – but a nice little scam there PM to keep the translators, GPs, Hospitals, other social services busy.

    Thanks for continuing to keep the hospitals full Morrison, where we will have more 2 year olds dying in queues. https://www.9news.com.au/2018/10/07/18/44/dandenong-hospital-two-year-old-boy-death-isaiah

    The same Visa racquet was silently pulled before the last Fed election. These Libs are now so far left its embarrassing.

  23. The Libs think they are providing a good policy, to replace giving PRs, pensions and Medicare cards to the elderly parents.

    It’s still not good enough.

    We live in the era of cheap international travel. If Grandma and Grandpa India want to see little Billy-Lid Gupta, then hop on a plane, stay a few weeks, and then leave. You can even do this a couple of times a year!

  24. I would love to know the real numbers of elderly migrants from India and China that are here. I’m sure their details aren’t being included on Census night.

  25. This country is a joke. It’s not sovereign. It’s being run by the owners of the RBA who are purposely sending all western countries down the shitter and gatekeepers like this shithole website never making mention of this obvious elephant in the room.