Low-wage temporary migrants flood Sydney and Melbourne

By Leith van Onselen

The ABS yesterday released a report entitled Insights from the Australian Census and Temporary Entrants Integrated Dataset, 2016, which revealed that there were 1,500,409 temporary residents in Australia on Census night, comprising:

  • 41% Special Category (New Zealand citizen) visa holders – 664,957 persons (634,250 residents and 30,705 overseas visitors).
  • 30% Student visa holders – 487,012 persons (449,883 residents and 37,125 overseas visitors).
  • 10% Temporary Work (Skilled) visa holders – 170,407 persons (165,351 residents and 5,055 overseas visitors).
  • 8% Working Holiday Makers – 129,442 persons (78,763 residents and 50,680 overseas visitors).
  • 11% Other Temporary visa holders (including Bridging visa holders) – 183,677 persons (or 172,155 residents and 11,524 overseas visitors).

According to the ABS, 81% of temporary residents resided in the capital cities (compared with 67% of all Australians), with 27% living in Sydney and 24% in Melbourne:

Most shockingly, however, is the news that so-called ‘skilled’ temporary migrants were paid a personal median income only $1,143 per week or $59,436 per year in 2016:

  • In 2016, the median personal weekly income of all temporary residents (aged 15 years and over) was $542 per week…
  • Temporary Work (Skilled) visa holders had the highest median personal weekly income – $1,143 per week.
  • Special Category (New Zealand citizen) visa holders had a median personal weekly income of $814.
  • Working Holiday Makers had a median personal weekly income of $648.
  • Other Temporary visa holders had a median personal weekly income of $486 a week.
  • The lowest median income of $236 per week was recorded by Student visa holder who had lower rates of employment and mainly worked part time.

While this was higher than the $1,000 median weekly earnings of all Australians in 2016, it was below the $1,242 median weekly full-time earnings of Australians (which includes unskilled workers).

It is also worth pointing out that the median employee earnings of all Australians includes every employee in the country – such as young uni students working at Coles, Kmart or Maccas, mums working part-time, etc – which obviously pulls the national median income down.

It’s fair to assume that most temporary ‘skilled’ migrants are not granted visas so that they can pack shelves at Coles, work at 7Eleven, or as cleaners. Rather, they are supposed to be ‘skilled’ and working at high capacity.

In this regard, the $59,436 median earnings of temporary ‘skilled’ migrants is pathetically low and is unambiguously contributing to Australia’s low wages growth.

Don’t just take my word for it. Recall the damning indictment of Australia’s “defacto low-skilled migration programme” in the book, The Wages Crisis in Australia, released late last year by a group of labour market academics:

Official stock data indicate that the visa programmes for international students, temporary skilled workers and working holiday makers have tripled in numbers since the late 1990s…

Decisions by the federal Coalition government under John Howard to introduce easier pathways to permanent residency for temporary visa holders, especially international students and temporary skilled workers, gave a major impetus to TMW [temporary migrant worker] visa programmes.

Most international students and temporary skilled workers, together with many working holiday makers, see themselves as involved in a project of ‘staggered’ or ‘multi-step’ migration, whereby they hope to leap from their present status into a more long-term visa status, ideally permanent residency…

Though standard accounts describe Australian immigration as oriented to skilled labour, this characterisation stands at odds with the abundant evidence on expanding temporary migration and the character of TMW jobs… the fact that their work is primarily in lower-skilled jobs suggests that it is more accurate, as several scholars point out, to speak of a shift in Australia towards a de facto low-skilled migration programme

This crisis has been precipitated by the federal government’s decision to freeze the salary floor for temporary skilled migrant workers since 2013… the government has chosen to put downward pressure on real wages for temporary skilled migrants, thereby surreptitiously allowing the TSS [Temporary Skilled Scheme] visa to be used in lower-paid jobs…

TSMIT’s protective ability is only as strong as the level at which it is set… But since 1 July 2013, TSMIT has been frozen at a level of A$53 900. ..

There is now a gap of more than A$26 000 between the salary floor for temporary skilled migrant workers and annual average salaries for Australian workers. This means that the TSS visa can increasingly be used to employ temporary migrant workers in occupations that attract a far lower salary than that earned by the average Australian worker. This begs the question — is the erosion of TSMIT allowing the TSS visa to morph into a general labour supply visa rather than a visa restricted to filling labour market gaps in skilled, high-wage occupations?..

Put simply, temporary demand for migrant workers often creates a permanent need for them in the labour market. Research shows that in industries where employers have turned to temporary migrants en masse, it erodes wages and conditions in these industries over time, making them less attractive to locals…

Combined, then, with the problems with enforcement and compliance, it is not hard to conclude that the failure to index TSMIT is contributing to a wages crisis for skilled temporary migrant workers… So the failure to index the salary floor for skilled migrant workers is likely to affect wages growth for these workers, as well as to have broader implications for all workers in the Australian labour market.

Blind Freddy can see that Australia’s immigration system has become a giant rort that’s all about lowering labour costs for employers by crushing wages and abrogating their responsibility for training, while also feeding the growth lobby more consumers.

Australia’s low wages growth won’t be resolved without root-and-branch reform of the immigration system, starting with dramatically lowering the overall permanent migrant intake, as well as raising the wage floor for ‘skilled’ migrants from the pathetically low level of $53,900 to the 80th to 90th percentile of earnings. This would ensure the scheme is used sparingly by employers on only the highest skilled migrants, not as a general labour market tool for accessing cheap foreign labour with the carrot of permanent residency.

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    • Hi Djenka & Haroldus 🙂🙂
      It’s a bit like the ABS unemployment stats isnt it? A million people missing..
      It’s 2016 ABS data & it is incomplete.

      Here is the accurate figures from the Dept of Home Affairs (DHA) publish quarterly detailed reports.
      VSure & others then summarise this.

      2.431 million non resident TR migrant guestworkers plus growth since on trend as the numbers lag = > 2.5 million.
      These are the official number & stats from immigration. Dec 2018.

      https://www.vsure.com.au/many-temporary-residents-working-australia/

      The DHA links & facts are at the bottom of the Vsure tables / you will get to DHA Website & then the ABF data that shows migrant guestworker country of origin, visa type, tenure, migration paths (extensions, visa churn, prior & new visa etc)

      That data on detailed country of origin show the 92% of Non NZ SCV are of third world origin, then add 262,000 of the 690,000 NZ SCV also non NZ born) and that is exactly 85% third world origin.
      So majority third world & unskilled.

      That almost all are unskilled is shown by their visa category- only a tiny fraction (75,000) of the 2.431 million are the primary applicant in the skilled visa.
      And as the income data shows.

      The DHA data has what is called pathways and tenure – they are Long stay – permanent stay (NZ SCV), very long stay (student up to 9 years until they get a PR not uncommon), 3-5 years skilled, 2-5 years bridging & protection, 1-2 or even 3 years backpacker, 6 months multiple & repeat stay.
      Basically pseudo permanent residents.

      Macrobusiness is broadly on the right path re migrant intake, but still to come to grasp with the fact that 2.8 million migrant guestworkers is 147% of the last decades 1.9 million PR intake.
      Or equal to nearly 15 years of PR intake at 190k a year.

      The TR ‘don’t go back’ – nearly 700,000 are permanent stay for a start & the rest are extremely long stay / churning vida categories or re/entry until getting a PR.

      And it is the number present onshore at any point of time that’s the issue, not how long they stay – the impact is an onshore migrant guestworker non resident population of 2.8 million and growing at rates of 5-8% a year.

      Which means this:

      🔹 Australia could set the PR intake to zero and it DOES NOTHING.

      The 2.8 million TR / non resident migrant guestworker onshore population is now 14.7 times the yearly 190k PR intake.
      The TR / non resident intake is growing at rates of 6-8% year to year (see the link & table) or 168,000 to 224,000 each year.

      So just the growth in TR / non residents TR is approaching the entire yearly PR intake.

      TR / non resident Average income.
      The treasury estimate is $43.3k each.
      The ABS table shows its even lower.
      The MB summary is a only one tiny category earn $1,100 a week, add them all up by visa group and average them & is only $40k or less.

      Ratios of up to 75% working illegally.
      Eg it’s actually 672,000 foreign students & their partners on a range of visa types (source Australian Education Gov / snapshots website) and at least 75% of just that one category or 505,000 working illegally (source : Syd Uni & UTS / studies SMH).
      Add them all up & it’s over 1 million TR working illegally or in some form of racket (711, cash back, labor ring etc) plus then the Overstayers & tourist visitors working illegally bringing it up to 1.4 million.

      In summary.
      We have 2.431 million non resident TR & long stay visitor migrant guestworkers with the majority on a visa pretext & if you do the numbers – a least 1 million of those working illegally.

      We have another 440,000 illegally working visa breaching Tourist visitors at any one time (5% of the 8.8 million tourist visitors yearly – Source: 2015 ABF parliamentary submission on the migrant black economy). A tourist visa is not a visitor or non resident visa. Seperate again. There has been special ABF squads for years now & media on this but people just don’t make the connection that most of these illegals caught are on tourist visa.

      And 63,000 Overstayers (Source DHA).

      ➡️ That’s 2.8 million onshore.

      So, 2.8 million non resident migrant guestworkers- with at least 1.4 million on a visa pretext or in blatant visa breach – working & living here illegally.

      85% plus in Sydney or Melbourne.
      (Source ABS & the MB articles on this)

      If you match it out (DHA & Aust Education & ABS etc), then the non resident TR by location are 85% in Sydney & Melbourne.

      This is conservative, as the DHA don’t track locations / but everyone agrees it’s at least that.

      TR / non resident long stay by location.

      🔻46% or 1.3 million in Sydney pop 5.2 mil.
      => 24% or 1 in 4 people

      🔻39% or 1.1 million in Melbourne, pop 5 mil.
      =>19% or 1 in 5 people.

      🔻15% or 400k elsewhere.

      An Aussie job & house gobbling train crushing non resident migrant overshoot.

      More guestworkers than Gaddafi at his peak. Many working illegally / fake ID, ABN labour rackets, cash in hand.

      $130 billion migrant guestworker sub economy (@49k each Treasury) with an estimated $72 billion of this as cash / blackmarket & illegal work. (Parliamentary report on the black economy).

      Our very own migrant illegals (many are in visa beach) “National Emergency”

    • Hi Haroldus – Ohai (NZ) the smell of chimney fires on a summers day.
      On this topic – its a bit like the ABS unemployment stats isnt it? A million people missing.. It’s 2016 ABS data & it is incomplete.

      Here are the accurate figures from the Dept of Home Affairs (DHA) publish quarterly detailed reports.
      VSure & others then summarise this.

      2.431 million non resident TR migrant guestworkers plus growth since on trend as the numbers lag = > 2.5 million.
      These are the official number & stats from immigration. Dec 2018.

      https://www.vsure.com.au/many-temporary-residents-working-australia/

      The DHA links & facts are at the bottom of the Vsure tables / you will get to DHA Website & then the ABF data that shows migrant guestworker country of origin, visa type, tenure, migration paths (extensions, visa churn, prior & new visa etc)

      That data on detailed country of origin show the 92% of Non NZ SCV are of third world origin, then add 262,000 of the 690,000 NZ SCV also non NZ born) and that is exactly 85% third world origin.
      So majority third world & unskilled.

      That almost all are unskilled is shown by their visa category- only a tiny fraction (75,000) of the 2.431 million are the primary applicant in the skilled visa.
      And as the income data shows.

      The DHA data has what is called pathways and tenure – they are Long stay – permanent stay (NZ SCV), very long stay (student up to 9 years until they get a PR not uncommon), 3-5 years skilled, 2-5 years bridging & protection, 1-2 or even 3 years backpacker, 6 months multiple & repeat stay.
      Basically pseudo permanent residents.

      Macrobusiness is broadly on the right path re migrant intake, but still to come to grasp with the fact that 2.8 million migrant guestworkers is 147% of the last decades 1.9 million PR intake.
      Or equal to nearly 15 years of PR intake at 190k a year.

      The TR ‘don’t go back’ – nearly 700,000 are permanent stay for a start & the rest are extremely long stay / churning vida categories or re/entry until getting a PR.

      And it is the number present onshore at any point of time that’s the issue, not how long they stay – the impact is an onshore migrant guestworker non resident population of 2.8 million and growing at rates of 5-8% a year.

      Which means this:

      🔹 Australia could set the PR intake to zero and it DOES NOTHING.

      The 2.8 million TR / non resident migrant guestworker onshore population is now 14.7 times the yearly 190k PR intake.
      The TR / non resident intake is growing at rates of 6-8% year to year (see the link & table) or 168,000 to 224,000 each year.

      So just the growth in TR / non residents TR is approaching the entire yearly PR intake.

      TR / non resident Average income.
      The treasury estimate is $43.3k each.
      The ABS table shows its even lower.
      The MB summary is a only one tiny category earn $1,100 a week, add them all up by visa group and average them & is only $40k or less.

      Ratios of up to 75% working illegally.
      Eg it’s actually 672,000 foreign students & their partners on a range of visa types (source Australian Education Gov / snapshots website) and at least 75% of just that one category or 505,000 working illegally (source : Syd Uni & UTS / studies SMH).
      Add them all up & it’s over 1 million TR working illegally or in some form of racket (711, cash back, labor ring etc) plus then the Overstayers & tourist visitors working illegally bringing it up to 1.4 million.

      In summary.
      We have 2.431 million non resident TR & long stay visitor migrant guestworkers with the majority on a visa pretext & if you do the numbers – a least 1 million of those working illegally.

      We have another 440,000 illegally working visa breaching Tourist visitors at any one time (5% of the 8.8 million tourist visitors yearly – Source: 2015 ABF parliamentary submission on the migrant black economy). A tourist visa is not a visitor or non resident visa. Seperate again. There has been special ABF squads for years now & media on this but people just don’t make the connection that most of these illegals caught are on tourist visa.

      And 63,000 Overstayers (Source DHA).

      ➡️ That’s 2.8 million onshore.

      So, 2.8 million non resident migrant guestworkers- with at least 1.4 million on a visa pretext or in blatant visa breach – working & living here illegally.

      85% plus in Sydney or Melbourne.
      (Source ABS & the MB articles on this)

      If you match it out (DHA & Aust Education & ABS etc), then the non resident TR by location are 85% in Sydney & Melbourne.

      This is conservative, as the DHA don’t track locations / but everyone agrees it’s at least that.

      TR / non resident long stay by location.

      🔻46% or 1.3 million in Sydney pop 5.2 mil.
      => 24% or 1 in 4 people

      🔻39% or 1.1 million in Melbourne, pop 5 mil.
      =>19% or 1 in 5 people.

      🔻15% or 400k elsewhere.

      An Aussie job & house gobbling train crushing non resident migrant overshoot.

      More guestworkers than Gaddafi at his peak. Many working illegally / fake ID, ABN labour rackets, cash in hand.

      $130 billion migrant guestworker sub economy (@49k each Treasury) with an estimated $72 billion of this as cash / blackmarket & illegal work. (Parliamentary report on the black economy).

      Our very own migrant illegals (many are in visa beach) “National Emergency”

  1. And no-wage migrants flood the regions:

    work without pay for months at an Indian restaurant

    work between August 2017 and March 2018 before she was granted a 457 visa.

    Another Indian restaurant in Colac lodged my 457 visa but they also demanded money, $35,000. I worked for them for nearly ten months without any pay

    https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2019/01/03/my-employer-asked-50000-visa-sponsorship

    Thanks to the fake Greens. Flooding the nation with cooks on $0/month salaries. Put a massive tax on every work visa already.

    • reusachtigeMEMBER

      I’m ok with this Indian setup. I don’t want my butter chicken cooked by some snotty nose overpaid local loser. If the best Indian Korma cook comes in and works for free all the better because I pay less for my favourite Indian takeaway. Stop whinging and go achieve yourself like these hard working and actually respectable Indians are doing.

      • No, no, no, you have her confused. She’s a victim, so says Dwinda and Djenka et al.

        How could a person from such a corrupt country possibly be involved in anything dodgy?

      • Yep. I wonder how she could afford to give birth here. Are we funding midwives for foreign “students”?

  2. Lenny Hayes for PMMEMBER

    665,000 NZ citizens earning $800 a week is surely more of a bigger story given it is a larger chunk earning far less ?!.

    Are these “new” NZ citizens ??.

    • It is a bit odd. A few years ago NZ citizens were the second highest earning nationality in Australia (behind the Yugoslavs). Although it might be affected by the high number of Kiwi’s employed in the mining industry, who were probably sitting around unemployed at the time, contemplating their return to NZ.

      • It’s been nearly thirty years since ‘Yugoslav’ was a nationality anywhere at all,so it can’t have been all that recent if it ever happened.

      • 260,000 of the 690,000 NZ SCV in Australia are non NZ born. 38.5% third world unskilled who entered NZ to get the stamp then enter Australia. 95% one way flow.
        Almost all very low skill Asian Chinese, Malay, south East Asian, or Indian, Fiji Indian, African etc.
        Not that many islanders now or poms.
        The non NZ born ratio of NZ SCV in Australia has gone from 8% to 38%. Plus all their brood / dependents & aged burden.

        Thats why the NZ scv income level has plummeted.

        Backlog.
        NZ has another 200,000 third world unskilled queued up waiting for the stamp to then enter Australia.
        NZ is just a transit lounge where they can work & live illegally to then get guaranteed access & work rights in Australia.

        NZ / Aust SCV should only be for NZ / Aust born.


        Here’s is the NZ SCV stats

        The article is 2016 ABS data & is incomplete.

        Here is the accurate figures from the Dept of Home Affairs (DHA) publish quarterly detailed reports.
        VSure & others then summarise this.

        2.431 million non resident TR migrant guestworkers plus growth since on trend as the numbers lag = > 2.5 million.
        These are the official number & stats from immigration. Dec 2018.

        https://www.vsure.com.au/many-temporary-residents-working-australia/

        The DHA links & facts are at the bottom of the Vsure tables / you will get to DHA Website & then the ABF data that shows migrant guestworker country of origin, visa type, tenure, migration paths (extensions, visa churn, prior & new visa etc)

        That data on detailed country of origin show the 92% of Non NZ SCV are of third world origin, then add 262,000 of the 690,000 NZ SCV also non NZ born) and that is exactly 85% third world origin.
        So majority third world & unskilled.

        That almost all are unskilled is shown by their visa category- only a tiny fraction (75,000) of the 2.431 million are the primary applicant in the skilled visa.
        And as the income data shows.

        The DHA data has what is called pathways and tenure – they are Long stay – permanent stay (NZ SCV), very long stay (student up to 9 years until they get a PR not uncommon), 3-5 years skilled, 2-5 years bridging & protection, 1-2 or even 3 years backpacker, 6 months multiple & repeat stay.
        Basically pseudo permanent residents.

        Macrobusiness is broadly on the right path re migrant intake, but still to come to grasp with the fact that 2.8 million migrant guestworkers is 147% of the last decades 1.9 million PR intake.
        Or equal to nearly 15 years of PR intake at 190k a year.

        The TR ‘don’t go back’ – nearly 700,000 are permanent stay for a start & the rest are extremely long stay / churning vida categories or re/entry until getting a PR.

        And it is the number present onshore at any point of time that’s the issue, not how long they stay – the impact is an onshore migrant guestworker non resident population of 2.8 million and growing at rates of 5-8% a year.

        Which means this:

        🔹 Australia could set the PR intake to zero and it DOES NOTHING.

        The 2.8 million TR / non resident migrant guestworker onshore population is now 14.7 times the yearly 190k PR intake.
        The TR / non resident intake is growing at rates of 6-8% year to year (see the link & table) or 168,000 to 224,000 each year.

        So just the growth in TR / non residents TR is approaching the entire yearly PR intake.

        TR / non resident Average income.
        The treasury estimate is $43.3k each.
        The ABS table shows its even lower.
        The MB summary is a only one tiny category earn $1,100 a week, add them all up by visa group and average them & is only $40k or less.

        Ratios of up to 75% working illegally.
        Eg it’s actually 672,000 foreign students & their partners on a range of visa types (source Australian Education Gov / snapshots website) and at least 75% of just that one category or 505,000 working illegally (source : Syd Uni & UTS / studies SMH).
        Add them all up & it’s over 1 million TR working illegally or in some form of racket (711, cash back, labor ring etc) plus then the Overstayers & tourist visitors working illegally bringing it up to 1.4 million.

        In summary.
        We have 2.431 million non resident TR & long stay visitor migrant guestworkers with the majority on a visa pretext & if you do the numbers – a least 1 million of those working illegally.

        We have another 440,000 illegally working visa breaching Tourist visitors at any one time (5% of the 8.8 million tourist visitors yearly – Source: 2015 ABF parliamentary submission on the migrant black economy). A tourist visa is not a visitor or non resident visa. Seperate again. There has been special ABF squads for years now & media on this but people just don’t make the connection that most of these illegals caught are on tourist visa.

        And 63,000 Overstayers (Source DHA).

        ➡️ That’s 2.8 million onshore.

        So, 2.8 million non resident migrant guestworkers- with at least 1.4 million on a visa pretext or in blatant visa breach – working & living here illegally.

        85% plus in Sydney or Melbourne.
        (Source ABS & the MB articles on this)

        If you match it out (DHA & Aust Education & ABS etc), then the non resident TR by location are 85% in Sydney & Melbourne.

        This is conservative, as the DHA don’t track locations / but everyone agrees it’s at least that.

        TR / non resident long stay by location.

        🔻46% or 1.3 million in Sydney pop 5.2 mil.
        => 24% or 1 in 4 people

        🔻39% or 1.1 million in Melbourne, pop 5 mil.
        =>19% or 1 in 5 people.

        🔻15% or 400k elsewhere.

        An Aussie job & house gobbling train crushing non resident migrant overshoot.

        More guestworkers than Gaddafi at his peak. Many working illegally / fake ID, ABN labour rackets, cash in hand.

        $130 billion migrant guestworker sub economy (@49k each Treasury) with an estimated $72 billion of this as cash / blackmarket & illegal work. (Parliamentary report on the black economy).

        Our very own migrant illegals (many are in visa beach) “National Emergency”

      • 2003 Yugoslavia was renamed (and it split up in 2006). I did say a few years ago, but not thirty. But early 2000’s would be about right, it was when I moved to Australia.

  3. So you have changed your views Leith? Is is not only about permanent arrivals. Temps are a massive massive problem with international student numbers the biggest part.

    • Yes, I’ve wondered (& asked Leith) about this before. I respect his view, but find it hard to see how ever increasing numbers of temporary residents aren’t a stealth population growth mechanism. If it’s 2.4m temporary residents today and 3m in a few years time, the numbers are growing aren’t they?

      Sure, in theory they are temporary (unless they get PR) and will all go home eventually but while they’re here it’s pretty real population growth.

      • You are correct.
        And in fact just the TR increase year to year is getting close to the entire PR intake.

        Which means even if the PR intake was ZERO, the migrant guestworker population overshoot & yearly increases create even more impact.
        The PR intake is neither here nor there in the big picture.

        Firstly the article is 2016 ABS data & it is incomplete.

        Here are the accurate figures from the Dept of Home Affairs (DHA) publish quarterly detailed reports.
        VSure & others then summarise this.

        2.431 million non resident TR migrant guestworkers plus growth since on trend as the numbers lag = > 2.5 million.
        These are the official number & stats from immigration. Dec 2018.

        https://www.vsure.com.au/many-temporary-residents-working-australia/

        The DHA links & facts are at the bottom of the Vsure tables / you will get to DHA Website & then the ABF data that shows migrant guestworker country of origin, visa type, tenure, migration paths (extensions, visa churn, prior & new visa etc)

        That data on detailed country of origin show the 92% of Non NZ SCV are of third world origin, then add 262,000 of the 690,000 NZ SCV also non NZ born) and that is exactly 85% third world origin.
        So majority third world & unskilled.

        That almost all are unskilled is shown by their visa category- only a tiny fraction (75,000) of the 2.431 million are the primary applicant in the skilled visa.
        And as the income data shows.

        The DHA data has what is called pathways and tenure – they are Long stay – permanent stay (NZ SCV), very long stay (student up to 9 years until they get a PR not uncommon), 3-5 years skilled, 2-5 years bridging & protection, 1-2 or even 3 years backpacker, 6 months multiple & repeat stay.
        Basically pseudo permanent residents.

        Macrobusiness is broadly on the right path re migrant intake, but still to come to grasp with the fact that 2.8 million migrant guestworkers is 147% of the last decades 1.9 million PR intake.
        Or equal to nearly 15 years of PR intake at 190k a year.

        The other point Macrobusiness is incorrect on is that the TR ‘go back’ as they confuse visa expiry stats with that TR actually leaving.
        They don’t – nearly 700,000 are permanent stay for a start & the rest are extremely long stay / churning onto new visas or across visa categories, or re/entry until getting a PR. After 5 years most TR have been on 3 or 4 visa categories & extensions / changes in COE.
        This is all in the DHA data.

        And it is the ‘Total number present’ onshore at any point of time that’s the issue, not how long they stay – the impact is an onshore migrant guestworker non resident population of 2.8 million and growing at rates of 5-8% a year.

        Which means this:

        🔹 Australia could set the PR intake to zero and it DOES NOTHING. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.

        The 2.8 million TR / non resident migrant guestworker onshore population is now 14.7 times the yearly 190k PR intake.
        The TR / non resident intake is growing at rates of 6-8% year to year (see the link & table) or 168,000 to 224,000 each year.

        So just the growth in TR / non residents TR is approaching the entire yearly PR intake.

        TR / non resident Average income.
        The treasury estimate is $43.3k each.
        The ABS table shows its even lower.
        The MB summary is a only one tiny category earn $1,100 a week, add them all up by visa group and average them & is only $40k or less.

        Ratios of up to 75% working illegally.
        Eg it’s actually 672,000 foreign students & their partners on a range of visa types (source Australian Education Gov / snapshots website) and at least 75% of just that one category or 505,000 working illegally (source : Syd Uni & UTS / studies SMH).
        Add them all up & it’s over 1 million TR working illegally or in some form of racket (711, cash back, labor ring etc) plus then the Overstayers & tourist visitors working illegally bringing it up to 1.4 million.

        In summary.
        We have 2.431 million non resident TR & long stay visitor migrant guestworkers with the majority on a visa pretext & if you do the numbers – a least 1 million of those working illegally.

        We have another 440,000 illegally working visa breaching Tourist visitors at any one time (5% of the 8.8 million tourist visitors yearly – Source: 2015 ABF parliamentary submission on the migrant black economy). A tourist visa is not a visitor or non resident visa. Seperate again. There has been special ABF squads for years now & media on this but people just don’t make the connection that most of these illegals caught are on tourist visa.

        And 63,000 Overstayers (Source DHA).

        ➡️ That’s 2.8 million onshore.

        So, 2.8 million non resident migrant guestworkers- with at least 1.4 million on a visa pretext or in blatant visa breach – working & living here illegally.

        85% plus in Sydney or Melbourne.
        (Source ABS & the MB articles on this)

        If you match it out (DHA & Aust Education & ABS etc), then the non resident TR by location are 85% in Sydney & Melbourne.

        This is conservative, as the DHA don’t track locations / but everyone agrees it’s at least that.

        TR / non resident long stay by location.

        🔻46% or 1.3 million in Sydney pop 5.2 mil.
        => 24% or 1 in 4 people

        🔻39% or 1.1 million in Melbourne, pop 5 mil.
        =>19% or 1 in 5 people.

        🔻15% or 400k elsewhere.

        An Aussie job & house gobbling train crushing non resident migrant overshoot.

        More guestworkers than Gaddafi at his peak. Many working illegally / fake ID, ABN labour rackets, cash in hand.

        $130 billion migrant guestworker sub economy (@49k each Treasury) with an estimated $72 billion of this as cash / blackmarket & illegal work. (Parliamentary report on the black economy).

        Our very own migrant illegals (many are in visa beach) “National Emergency”

  4. You only have to be working 1 hour a week to be considered employed. So when they say the govt magically created 100,000+ jobs a year, what they really mean is an immigrant who comes here and does a few shifts with uber is now an “employed” member of society. In reality he lives with 5 others in a 2 bedroom unit and think he is living the king’s life. If they keep this game up within 5 years there will be a whole new demographic here: a working poor class. Wages will get pushed down to the point where people with no skills need to work multiple jobs to stay alive, just like in the US.

    • When I lived in the US I was shocked at how blase Americans were about the de facto Hispanic underclass, overwhelmingly “undocumented”/illegal immigrants. Political and business elites encouraged it too since it didn’t threaten them, but that backfired when Trump was elected by the traditional white working class who were hurt most by illegal immigration.

      I think a similar phenomenon will play out in Australia where the political and business elites push for very high rates of immigration and a comparable underground economy where international “students” and recent third-world immigrants work for cash or below market rate to score the prize of Australian PR or citizenship. Of course the result is that wages are suppressed at the same time that the cost of living increases (especially for housing) which makes for a lot of stressed, angry “native” Australians.

      • The middle class and elites love the undocumented workers, its the next best thing to slavery since they can’t have slaves anymore. But they can have super cheap nannies, housekeepers, gardeners, handymen, and tradies. Wouldnt we all like to have servants?

    • We need the children of politicians to be hit hard. We need little Suzie and Johnny missing out on the jobs that those of their pedigree traditionally get. Perhaps they need to start to miss out on management consulting, government advisory and other professional jobs taken by foreign-born graduate visa holders. Or maybe when little Olivia can’t get a job as a nurse, because all the nurses are sourced from India, Bangladesh, Nepal or the Philippines. Or maybe little Charlotte Rose has dropped out of primary school teaching because she can’t take teaching English to a whole cohort from the subcontinent, or those with poor English skills with pushy parents. Or little Jack’s great little restaurant or cafe hasn’t taken off because he can’t compete with the foreign-owned and foreign-staffed places that don’t pay their staff correct wages?

      Maybe things will turn then when the children of the political elite are effected will their be change.

  5. A young Asian dude tried to deliver some takeaway to my place last weekend. I had trouble explaining to him that he had the wrong address due to his almost non-exist English.

    No doubt a “student” at a local uni sitting slack jawed in class eaxh day not understanding anything but getting passes based on plagiarism group work.

      • A lecturer friend at the Local Uni told me years ago that they had all sorts of problems with the cohort of imbeciles foreign students they were forced to deal with, one of the largest being what he called “excessive collaboration” which the rest of the world calls plagiarism.

        To their credit, they were bringing in all sorts of pattern matching tools to run over essays, source code etc to locate the 20 or so pieces of assessment that were all produced by one person in each group.

        Another friend of mine, who was very well known in his field, gave up lecturing undergrads when he wasn’t allowed to fail a bunch of underperformers, and had to rescale their marks instead. He said he didn’t want a bunch of muppets out in the workforce claiming that they’d been taught by him, thus ruining his reputation among his consultancy clients.

      • I like the Machine Learning idea, would catch out of a lot of kids I studied with haha. Come to think of it, there was only really a handful of us in our Computer Science Degree that knew anything. The rest were lazy bastards.

  6. And let’s be honest, we can call the Permanent Residents ‘low skilled’ for the most part. Their qualifications, experience and communication skills don’t translate to ‘high skilled’ work.

    You don’t need to be high-skilled to work customer service for Metro / Queensland Rail (though their is now a dominate cohort at both these companies), or to work hospitality, administration, university admin, delivery drivers (StarTrak and Australia Post employee a lot of foreign born staff), real estate, or retail, as a start. All these areas are now flooded with migrants on PR.

  7. All major parties are committed to the notion of only growing the service industries. To do this, they need to low paid staff and mass migration not only gives them the low-paid service sector staff, but also more consumers. We need to call each party out on their lost faith in the productive capacity of Australia and Australians. The parties have given up and are going for the path of least resistance and for short-term supposed ‘wins’.

    • Interesting idea for the people to push back at the elite for productive, manufacturing factories and jobs to return – it could help, especially with a weaker AUD….

      Easier said than done, though 😛

  8. Anyone else sick of the sound of scooters everywhere now? Scooters on high streets, scooters constantly going up and down residential streets. Crack down on the rorting UberEats et al, and most of this migrants and students would have nowhere to work.

    • I now stop at the lights in an incvntenient manner that they cant nose in front of me, and I don’t give them any room once the lights change. they soon figure out they’re in the wrong spot.

      • Good point Ubietz. To all the people bemoaning mass migration, perhaps if we boycott those companies that are profiting from the mass migration or feeding the mass migration, we may have some impact. Boycott Uber & UberEats et al, boycott cash-only vendors in shopping centres offering cheap iPhone covers and repairs, don’t use Thai massage places (sorry Reusa), don’t eat at Indian restaurants staffed with those paying the owners for their sponsorship or employing extended family members under dubious visas, and don’t use car wash places only staffed by those from the subcontinent (so much for diversity in employment).

  9. But, but, but….Australian wages are too high for us to be internationally competitive! We need to bring them down for the good of the nation!

    (Keep ignoring and obfuscating the inflationary effect that housing debt and prices have on wages, everything….)

    • Huh?
      Temporary migrants are one of the larger tools bringing down Autralian wages (at least, preventing them from rising while wages everywhere else catch up)

      • It is my observation that “high wages” in Australia has been one of the infatuations of the LNP for at least 15 years, and they have targetted bringing them down…whilst also subsequently pumping housing, inflation and wage inflation generally. In truth, all the pollies did this…

        Yes, mass immigration has been pulling wages down – but since the pollies think wages are “too high”, they are happen to keep this up until…well…..it becomes politically unpalatable to continue doing so…

      • Yes – the thrust of their argument has typically been that there are loads of low wage workers in China and India, so they will want to keep this up until either the average wage in China catches up with the average wage in Australia, or Australia’s working age population gets to be larger than China’s, whichever comes first.

        15 years isn’t a long time on that front.

  10. On the Singapore to Melbourne flight this morning…I remember the first one I took in 1996 and today’s passengers are very different. A “flood” is an understatement of epic proportions….all connecting from the north west.