China’s “social credit score” in action

Put your feet and on the seats and prepare for imminent “re-education”. Coming to a Victorian town near you. Via the ABC:

Victoria has formally pledged to sign up to China’s controversial One Belt, One Road initiative in a deal the state hopes will generate more trade and jobs.

Premier Daniel Andrews and Chinese ambassador to Australia Cheng Jingye finalised a memorandum of understanding this week, making Victoria the first and only Australian state to support President Xi Jinping’s global trade initiative.

China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive global network of infrastructure projects that seeks to revive the Silk Road by creating two modern transit and trade corridors between China and Europe.

“This new Australian-first agreement sums up everything we have achieved with China over the past four years — it means more trade and more Victorian jobs and an even stronger relationship with China,” Mr Andrews said.

Under the massive plan first unveiled in 2013, China wants to revive an ancient network of land and ocean silk trade routes and has already spent billions of dollars on new infrastructure projects for roads, railways, ports and maritime corridors.

So far, 68 countries including New Zealand have signed up to the signature project of President Xi, which marks his nation’s plans to expand its power in the region and beyond.

To date, Australia’s official stance has been to not be part of the divisive trillion-dollar One Belt, One Road investment initiative.

Senior national security figures have often warned of serious “strategic” consequences if Australia formally signs up, although various investment projects on Australian soil seem to have had some form of involvement.

However, the MOU signed by Victoria marks a sharp turn in domestic views of the initiative which has been welcomed by the Chinese.

“Over the past five years, it has received positive responses and broad support from the international communities and has become a platform for international cooperation in policy coordination, connectivity of infrastructure, unimpeded trade, financing integration, closer people-to-people ties,” Mr Cheng said.

“It enables China to share development opportunities with other countries in the world and achieve mutual prosperity.”

Mr Andrews was the only state premier to be invited to the Belt and Road Forum which took place in China last year.

We need an Australian social credit score to fail Daniel Andrews.

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      • yep, 7 years ago when they opened Beijing-Shanghai high speed train service nothing could stop the passengers from smoking during the very short stops (~2min) every 45-60 minutes or so. I was probably among the first westerners taking the route then.
        https://youtu.be/PVKUvE2ny40?t=208

    • The message didn’t mention hawking and spitting — plenty of room for improvement then, along with stiffer penalties 😉

  1. CaptainFeatherSwordsGhost

    not really a whole lot different from say…….being fined for exceeding an arbitrarily set speed limit, or removing a tree without approval, or building a dam without buying a permit etc etc etc ???

    • Ha yep … and all avoided by slipping a few Yuan to the appropriate persons. Meanwhile in China ………………..

    • or fined for placing your feet on the seat of a train or travelling without a ticket.
      Hopefully they actually enforce their laws though, rather than the Australian way of making everything illegal and then just letting everyone do it anyway.

    • Or you know…totally different? You can pay a fine here and then continue to live in society as a normal accepted person. Not a total outcast who is continually shamed and prevented from doing anything considered ‘luxury consumption’ i.e high speed rail travel, plane travel.
      Also you’re unable to get any loans, pay more for a lot of things…

    • I think you missed the point. It has nothing to do with fining people for breaking laws / bylaws etc, but everything to do with the Social Credit Score side of it, and its implications.

    • not really a whole lot different from say…….being fined for exceeding an arbitrarily set speed limit, or removing a tree without approval, or building a dam without buying a permit etc etc etc ???

      Yes it is.

      Those are all things that can seriously impact other people’s lives and/or property.

  2. The Cultural Revolution in the 1960’s completely upended the society and its norms.
    The huge growth since 1990 has meant that doing anything amoral is OK, as long as you get rich.
    This credit system is probably the only way to teach manners.

    • my Chinese mate says that the message is just asking people to use the toilets nicely and this is totally necessary during Spring Festival.

  3. reusachtigeMEMBER

    I have no problem with this social credit system. As a property investor with good relations I’d excel at this and use it to enhance my profits.

    Like they say, only people with something to hide should fear this. For everyone else, ie, the go-getters, this gives them something to strive for, to be the best they can be!

  4. In years gone by I was anti Government and anti regulation.

    I am ashamed to say this but now after God knows how long of unrelenting exposure in the emergency department to the consequences of appalling behaviour and stupidity by people who contribute nothing to society, I do find myself wondering if we would not be better off under a totalitarian system.

      • No. But when you encounter punters who wander through life causing havoc and waste and contributing nothing, you become sympathetic to any change that imposes any sort of penalty against that lifestyle. I never thought that I would feel this way, but strange things come to you at work at 0300 when you are dealing with the 5th drunken stabbing in 2 hours.

      • People who feel worthless are the ones causing havoc and contributing nothing.
        Our society has been increasing the penalty for that sort of lifestyle for decades as our welfare payments have fallen in real terms while cost of living has increased.
        The end result has been increasing dysfunction as you observe.
        The solution isn’t totalitarianism. it’s creating a more equitable and socially cohesive society.

      • “People who feel worthless are the ones causing havoc and contributing nothing.”

        This statement has a degree of truth to it, no doubt, but is handing more money to these people the answer to boosting their self-esteem? One’s self worth is surely guided by achievement and feeling valued? I’d argue that handing these people more money simply sustains the misery and the feelings of hopelessness, along with allowing them to afford greater quantities of drugs and/or alcohol — the classic slippery slope. Don’t get me wrong, cold turkey is not the answer as huge damage has already been done to many of these people (mainly mentally) and the opportunity to forge a career has passed so they are now effectively wards of the state till their dying day, however, I suspect history will not be kind to welfare system.

    • Were any of the victims taxi drivers?

      London taxis have a physical barrier between the driver and passenger and it obviously prevents physical attacks on the driver. As if Aussies behave any better.

  5. AUS has a social credit system:

    Divorced dads banned from leaving Australia until they pay child support

    A wealthy mining magnate has been stopped from boarding a first-class fight overseas due to his six-month child support debt.

    The father who is based in the Mediterranean, was attempting to fly out of Sydney when Border Force officials ordered him to repay his six-month debt of $22,000.

    1800 dads banned from leaving the country until they pay the child support money owed

    https://www.oversixty.com.au/lifestyle/family-pets/divorced-dads-banned-from-leaving-australia-until-they-pay-child-support

    I guess we should fine graffiti vandals heavily and ban them from flying when they fail to pay the fine.

    • A first class ticket to London is $10k and he refuses to pay $22K for 6 months child support.

      This twat deserves to get locked up.

  6. “Victoria has formally pledged to sign up to China’s controversial One Belt, One Road initiative in a deal the state hopes will generate more trade and jobs.”
    Well good on Daniel ! The Australian Govt should be behind it also – But can only Kowtow to Washington.
    China’s One Belt, One Road initiative seems an exceptional & well worthwhile project to me
    & NO one is being invaded or bombed to do it. It’s co-operation all the way. Where’s the problem ?