NSW Liberal Senator: cut legal immigration to save infrastructure

By Leith van Onselen

Retired army general turned NSW Senator, Jim Molan, weighed into the debate on immigration in his first speech in the upper house yesterday, expressing concern that the infrastructure of Australia’s major cities is reaching the limit of its capacity to cope with the influx of legal migrants:

“I am concerned that the level of legal migration now that we control our borders is in excess of the capacity of our cities to absorb, both culturally and in terms of infrastructure. We are approaching limits on this, if we have not already exceeded them. I don’t have the answers, but I certainly have the concerns”.

One Nation leader, Pauline Hanson, also raised concern that Australia’s mass immigration program is overwhelming the nation’s water supplies, infrastructure and housing, and that nothing is being done by the government to ameliorate the problem:

The truth is that Australia’s population has grown by 3.3 million in just five years and that more than two million of these individuals were born overseas. These two million individuals include a million or so skilled migrants who have arrived on a permanent visa…

Every one of the 3.3 million individuals added to our population since Labor left office needs water and other essential services, yet this government has done nothing about water security. Not a single dam has been given the go-ahead since Labor left office. It is reckless and a national disgrace because Australia is the driest continent on earth and prone to severe and prolonged drought.

The government and Labor’s strategy is to reduce the consumption of water by increasing the price. Let me bring the people’s attention to Agenda 21, which was signed by Australia and 176 countries around the world. In chapter 18, it is their agenda to privatise water in countries other than Third World nations. I believe the same plan for increased prices and privatisation is lined up for our electricity. This approach is rejected by One Nation because it affects the most vulnerable in our society. It has been widely reported that Cape Town, in South Africa, with a population of 3.7 million people, will run out of water by 21 April this year…

We are arrogant if we think that it can’t happen here in Australia. Australia has the highest population growth of any developed country in the world, at 1.6 per cent a year…

Here’s the problem. The government, which is the Liberal and National parties, and Labor before it have set annual immigration numbers without a single thought to the end result. Labor relies on votes from ethnic minority enclaves. Labor knows that new migrants tend to vote Labor, so it wants a large immigration program, no matter the cost to existing citizens. The Liberals pander to foreign-owned multinationals and other big businesses which benefit from a bigger population size. It is partly huge donations; it is partly outdated ideology; and it is partly detachment from the lives of real Australians. Both the current government and, previously, Labor have used migration to disguise the fact that they have no answer to the economic problem that has seen productivity per person in Australia falling since 1990, and with it our standard of living…

In the past 10 years, two out of every three people added to Australia’s population were born overseas. This level of immigration exceeds our ability to cope. We know that because we are experiencing problems directly linked to excessive immigration, including rising water, electricity and gas prices, lack of public transport, and stress on our education and medical services.

Housing prices in the major cities have surged, meaning fewer Australians own their own home. If most Australians don’t benefit from these excessively high levels of immigration, then we have to ask the question: who benefits from high levels of immigration? The answer: big business and morally bankrupt politicians.

Let’s be honest: the Liberals and the Nationals—and, of course, I’ve got to throw the Greens in here—are bereft of any approach to respond to falling productivity, other than excessive immigration. We are increasingly going into debt to pay for basic services, and that debt will one day need to be repaid. We are increasingly in the hands of our creditors.

Are we heading down the same path as Sri Lanka and Greece, who lost their ports and airports to their creditors? The level of immigration matters. Let me say that again—the level of immigration matters. The time has come for the government and the opposition to listen to what Australians want in respect of immigration. They were prepared to listen to what Australians had to say on same-sex marriage, but they won’t let Australians have a say on immigration numbers…

The coalition and Labor know Australians want lower immigration, but, for their own selfish reasons, refuse to act. In October 2017, the Australian Population Research Institute issued its report on voters’ views on immigration. It noted that there was increased public concern about the quality of life and that 74 per cent of voters thought Australia did not need any more people…

One Nation’s immigration policy differs from that of all the other parties because our policy is in the interests of all Australians. Because of my stance on immigration I have been called racist. It is what happens in Australia when you raise issues some people don’t like. As the leader of One Nation, I recognise the invaluable contribution of overseas-born Australians, who have enriched Australia by committing to our values, our laws, our political institutions and equality between the sexes…

Immigration numbers are too high and this needs to be addressed. Let the people of Australia have their say.

As usual, Labor and The Greens were deafly silent on the matter and refused to respond.

Yet again, the Fake Left are missing in action, and only the conservative side of politics seems capable of having a rational debate (when they avoid racial stupidity).

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    • But why does mass immigration have to mean dumbing down Aussie “degrees”?

      AUS got mass immigration before and Aussie “unis” were not dumbed down in the 1950s.

      And why do the airports and electricity grids have to be privately owned.

      Also, I bet the land prices can be stabilised – at least in nominal terms – and the bogans would not know any better.

      • Privatisation is a fail. I don’t think there is a rational argument for it when it is assessed from a community wide benefits perspective. Privatisation of ‘public goods’ and ‘commons’ only benefits a very narrow segment of society. The community as a whole carries the costs of its failure – privatised profits and socialised costs.

        I watched an interesting NZ documentary on the history of housing in NZ. Prior to the neoliberal economic stupidity and its insidious impact housing in NZ was funded via government backed mortgages at 3% interest backed by the nation’s assets. It is also interesting how governments – NZ, Canada and Australia, suppressed stats to prevent an understanding the impact of these policies.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzSAmOQuyjU

  1. Molan and Abbott need to join the AUS Conservatives – which wants immigration to be cut.

    Cory is very transparent about donations and is against the ban on 2-stroke leaf blowers while Hanson voted with the LNP to ban them.

    The AUS Democrats had 9 seats in the upper house – now the Greens have that many.

      • We guess, you should know that very well – having been told that by all your relations: 2 Pump Chum..mmmp!

      • Yup, they’re a terrible pest …. I’d put that top of the present Govt’s priority list.

        The immigrant tsunami clogging up the country’s infrastructure and generally ruining everyone’s lives can wait.

      • Apparently global warming is caused by the enormous number of lightweight 2-stroke leaf blowers in AUS so they must be banned in favour of heavier 4 stroke ones while doubling the population.

        You see, doubling the population has no impact on the pollution emitted from AUS.

        And we get a boom in injured wrists.

  2. If Molan was in the other house he’d be PM within days. That Green idiot Bandt called him a coward and a war criminal, and Molan beat him like a mongrel dog. The incident showed the true measure of both men. So now we have a Liberal senator pointing out the downsides of the immigration scam. It’s interesting that Molan says he doesn’t have the answer…he just needs to realise the bleedin’ obvious, which is that the solution to excessive immigration is to reduce the level of immigration, and start delivering speeches in the Senate pushing that line.

    Upon reflection though, Molan is obviously a smart bloke and I suspect that he knows very well what the solution is, but he wants to push the edges of the Overton window slowly, rather than coming straight out with a call to reduce immigration. We’ll just have to see where this takes us.

    And that spray from Pauline might have been written by HnH or UE…has she paying you guys for consultancy services…or subscribed perhaps? 🙂

    The line about failing infrastructure is a good one to push, but the water supply thing is absolute gold, particularly with CapeTown about to run out of water, largely as a result of excessive immigration. That’s the sort of killer point that SAP and all other normal (ie anti-immigration folks) need to push.

    • The opening quote tells you everything you need to know about the man’s complete lack of integrity:

      I am concerned that the level of legal migration now that we control our borders is in excess of the capacity of our cities to absorb, both culturally and in terms of infrastructure. We are approaching limits on this, if we have not already exceeded them. I don’t have the answers, but I certainly have the concerns”.

      Blows the dog whistle furiously, implicitly lies about where the high immigration policies come from and the fact it was his party that both facilitated and encouraged them, then absolves himself and his party of responsibility from any future action with a virtual shoulder shrug about whether a problem even exists.

      But I guess since he was in the army, he can do no wrong. Yay for blind patriotism ! Ozzie, ozzie, ozzie !

      Upon reflection though, Molan is obviously a smart bloke and I suspect that he knows very well what the solution is, but he wants to push the edges of the Overton window slowly, rather than coming straight out with a call to reduce immigration. We’ll just have to see where this takes us.

      LOL. You mean the Overton window that’s been heading steadily rightwards for the last thirty-odd years and is the reason we have such high immigration in the first place ?

      • “You mean the Overton window that’s been heading steadily rightwards for the last thirty-odd years and is the reason we have such high immigration in the first place ?”

        The reason we have high immigration is because there’s no one left to oppose it.

        The game changer has been Greens and Labor being pro big Australia.

      • “I am concerned that the level of legal migration now that we control our borders is in excess of the capacity of our cities to absorb, both culturally and in terms of infrastructure”

        He’s talking about it. It’s a start and far better than Greens or Labor. How bizarre that the business party are taking us towards a lower population debate.

        The left, so ridiculous, so irrelevant, so finished.

      • blacktwin997MEMBER

        Quite right Mr Walker, vertical it is. drsmithy might reply ‘What difference does 90 degrees make anyway?’

      • FMD – you guys are arguing about which way the fscking metaphorical window is stretching.

        Also @Smithy:
        >Blows the dog whistle furiously, implicitly lies about where the high immigration policies come from and the fact it was his party that both facilitated and encouraged them, then absolves himself and his party of responsibility from any future action with a virtual shoulder shrug about whether a problem even exists.

        I think you missed this:
        >Here’s the problem. The government, which is the Liberal and National parties, and Labor before it have set annual immigration numbers without a single thought to the end result….

        And this:
        >Let’s be honest: the Liberals and the Nationals—and, of course, I’ve got to throw the Greens in here—are bereft of any approach to respond to falling productivity, other than excessive immigration. We are increasingly going into debt to pay for basic services, and that debt will one day need to be repaid. We are increasingly in the hands of our creditors.

        And this:

        >The coalition and Labor know Australians want lower immigration, but, for their own selfish reasons, refuse to act.

        So… he says it three times that they’re *ALL* the same on this matter, for different reasons of course. Seems to me that he’s bagging all sides of the politics equally, and sure as hell he’s not pulling his punches…

      • So… he says it three times that they’re *ALL* the same on this matter, for different reasons of course. Seems to me that he’s bagging all sides of the politics equally, and sure as hell he’s not pulling his punches…

        Those quotes are from Hanson.

      • But I guess since he was in the army, he can do no wrong. Yay for blind patriotism ! Ozzie, ozzie, ozzie !

        Oh FFS.

      • Businesses have been overwhelmingly pro-Big Australia because it grows markets. The LP has always been the pro-business party, so there is no surprise that the LP’s policy is aligned with the collective wishes of the Australian businesses. In short, the LP is supposed to be pro-Big Australia and they have been doing a good job of advocating its policy.

        If Molan is less than full-on about the immigration issue that is because it is against the policy of his own party.

        I cannot figure out what the ALP and the Greens have been thinking about the immigration issue, that is, if they have been thinking at all. Big Australia is neither aligned with workers’ interests nor environmentally friendly. If they are not pro-workers and pro-environment, respectively, why do they even exist?

      • Immediately shoots the observer when experiencing dissonance and ideas that perturb his current beliefs. Every time.

      • ‘…been heading steadily rightwards for the last thirty-odd years and is the reason we have such high immigration in the first place ?’
        The reason we have high immigration is because of both the left and the right. It’s that walking and chewing gum thing. But for you to support your blind spots it’s no true lefty fake left when the left does it.

      • Oh FFS.

        LOL. Because nobody – least of all the man himself – has been trying to make bank from his military past, right ?

      • I cannot figure out what the ALP and the Greens have been thinking about the immigration issue, that is, if they have been thinking at all. Big Australia is neither aligned with workers’ interests nor environmentally friendly. If they are not pro-workers and pro-environment, respectively, why do they even exist?

        Labor is overwhelmed by neoliberal cancer. There is little to separate them, today, from Howard’s Liberal Party of the ’90s.

        As has been documented here, the Greens are apparently riven internally and fear being wedged externally on ‘racism’ concerns. But they, at least, make noises about the makeup of the “skilled immigrant” stream in terms of a) whether the skills are actually in need and b) whether the people coming in actually have them.

      • Immediately shoots the observer when experiencing dissonance and ideas that perturb his current beliefs

        Molan is an “observer” ?!

        The reason we have high immigration is because of both the left and the right.

        Indeed. But the difference is the right have been actively pushing it to destroy the bargaining power of labour whereas the left haven’t been fighting it particularly well (due in no small part to there being so little of the left, left).

    • blacktwin997MEMBER

      drsmithy i’m not sure what you’re getting at regarding Molan’s integrity on the basis of the first paragraph. Could you explain further please?

      Also being in the army might not necessarily make you infallible but it does demonstrate some commitment to the country, wouldn’t you agree?

      • drsmithy i’m not sure what you’re getting at regarding Molan’s integrity on the basis of the first paragraph. Could you explain further please?

        He’s implying that in the past we have high immigration (and associated ‘cultural’ problems thanks to refugees) due to a lack of control over the borders while Labor was in Government.

        In reality, there was no loss of control over the borders, refugees are a rounding error (regardless of whether you want to talk about economic or social impacts) and the Liberals both kicked off, and have continued, high levels of low-skilled immigration to create a massive labour surplus, consequently leading to social problems.

        So, either he knows and understands all this and is being willfully dishonest about it, or he’s just parroting what he’s been told to say. I struggle to believe anyone rising to that level within the armed forced is ignorant and stupid, or that he has the character to just do what he’s told, so that leads me back to willful dishonesty – ie: lack of integrity.

        Also being in the army might not necessarily make you infallible but it does demonstrate some commitment to the country, wouldn’t you agree?

        That’s meaningless in and of itself. History is replete with examples of bad things done “for the country”.

      • I don’t think he’s read the entire quote… I read it as an equal apportionment of blame across all sides of the politics.
        Well – bugger me dead – that was Hanson… right! I stand corrected!

        15-20 years after the event – it no longer matters who started it. Those who continued it, augmented it, and made it permanent have now equal level of blame to shoulder.

      • 15-20 years after the event – it no longer matters who started it.

        If someone wishes to draw some sort of contemporary authority based on alignment with a group and leveraging their past actions (ie: reputation), then “who started it” does matter in that context.

        Those who continued it, augmented it, and made it permanent have now equal level of blame to shoulder.

        Well, then, it’s hardly fair to lump the Greens in there, as Hanson does, as they have never had any influence or control over immigration policy or enforcement thereof. Similarly, despite her accusations, they are not “bereft of any approach to respond to falling productivity, other than excessive immigration” [aside: I think with that comment she shows she doesn’t really understand what is meant by “productivity”].

      • @ drsmithy, the refugee intake is hardly a rounding error.
        They currently make up 8.5% of the permanent immigration program, increasing to an ongoing 9% from 2018-2019.
        Apologists like yourself should remember that the refugee resettlement program we have in Australia and a hand full of other countries is totally voluntary..

      • They currently make up 8.5% of the permanent immigration program, increasing to an ongoing 9% from 2018-2019.

        Silly me, here I was thinking we were talking about the policies, pattern and quantity of all immigration over the last twenty-odd years.

        You know, like basically everyone else posting here does (except when it’s inconvenient).

      • Hanson chucks Greens under the bus wrt immigration and gets away with it because the greens are MIA. utterly silent on excess immigration

        She wasn’t chucking them under the bus about immigration, she was chucking them under the bus about plans for the future of “productivity”.

        Which would probably be enough hypocrisy to kill a normal human.

  3. Even sensible people who think that immigration has been good for the county can see the nexus between high immigration and declining standards of living though the chewing up of every bit of surplus capacity in infrastructure and service delivery. Immigration is extremely expensive for existing citizens and needs to be cut.
    At 2% population growth we need to double ever bit of housing, infrastructure and services in 36 years, water, sewerage, roads, ferries, trains, hospitals, aged care, houses, apartments, schools, universities, buses. Where is the NSW or any other state plan for how this will be managed and funded?
    “illegal” immigration is not the problems it is the massive growth in population through foreign students, investor immigration, 457’s with permanent residency and citizenship pathways.
    #stop-the-planes

    • FiftiesFibroShack

      Exactly. And we’re in a lot of trouble if the way governments are handling infrastructure continues. It’s a mess in NSW, it’s like they aren’t even planning for what demand will be a decade from now.

  4. Yes, UE, sustainability and amenity are critical. Accepted. But it is a pity that most of the parliamentary support seems to come from the wackos.

    • it’s only the whaco’s willing to talk. Anyone with a brain knows there’s a problem. That’s how rare integrity is among our politicians. Vote against every single one of them.

      • The only one with integrity that I recall was Kelvin Thompson, but unfortunately he retired last election. How the rest continue to sell us out shows what either idiots or scum they are.

  5. Gosh, I so wish someone in government other than these ultraconservatives was willing to call out the immigration policy as “too many, too quickly”. Surely not ALL Labor supporters work in the property industry… surely many are battlers just like me, normal workers without much capital, who’d love to be able to get into a home and start accumulating it instead of giving it to my landlord. Train drivers, retail workers, nurses, teachers are union… surely we should matter to Labor? And surely Greens can find a way to articulate support for accommodating refugees whilst also limiting the number of students and fingernail painters who are granted permanent visas, if they really do back the policy against “Big Australia” that some of their supporters claim they back.

    • “if they really do back the policy against “Big Australia” that some of their supporters claim they back”

      There is zero evidence of that. They opposed changes to 457’s.

      Greens and Labor embracing big Australia has been the game changer.

      • Mining BoganMEMBER

        Hey Rich, here’s one for you. On the wireless this morning there was a conversation about culling introduced species because of the environmental damage they do. One response was that we shouldn’t because it might have a bad effect on the sensibilities of recent arrivals to our shores…

      • @MiningBogan

        But if you cull those sensitive ones… isn’t that kind-of “the problem taking care of itself”?

      • Mining bogan

        That’s right. Calling kangaroos and wombats natives (or indeed giving them preferential treatment) is racist.

  6. Unfortunately this has been put to bed by Kochie and the ladies at 7 Sunrise. Nothing to see here, move along. He’s not really saying anything, and has no idea anyway is the storyline.

    • Well – of course – I mean – you just have to remember that multiculti goulash served on MKR every week to realise they’re invested up to their wazoo in this tripe… And the multiculti shyte served up by the ABC Clown Channel… and the multiculti zombie sh*t of SBS/Vice… and so on…

      What did you expect when you asked the barber if you needed a shave?

  7. Looks like Pauline is becoming more prime ministerial with every speech she makes in Parliament. I just hope she appoints Dick Smith as Governor-General.

    • Businesses have been overwhelmingly pro-Big Australia because it grows markets. The LP has always been the pro-business party, so there is no surprise that the LP’s policy is aligned with the collective wishes of the Australian businesses. In short, the LP is supposed to be pro-Big Australia and they have been doing a good job of advocating its policy.

      I cannot figure out what the ALP and the Greens have been thinking about the immigration issue, that is, if they have been thinking at all. Big Australia is neither aligned with workers’ interests nor environmentally friendly. If they are not pro-workers and pro-environment, respectively, why do they even exist?

      • Maybe we are witnessing a transition to a new paradigm in which the LP and the ONP become the two major parties. It was unthinkable not so long ago, but as they say, the Moron Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

      • Agreed.

        IMO ALP parliament members are just there in transit from their Uni/Union activities heading towards better paying positions as reps for Chinese or other overseas interests. Hawke/Keating both been working for the Chinese govt while others take up all sorts of jobs representing the big end of town where the money is – mostly foreign since they mostly own Oz (except for the 4 big local banks). In addition the ALP believes that the Big Oz policies will bring in the sort of people that will vote for them – that is something that has been mentioned many times.

        Greens represent BS. People that take them seriously are deluded and have been brainwashed by our near brain dead education system, and from a very young age. They totally lack the ability to view issues from different sides. School teaches our kids to debate things in very narrow ways and the teachers tend to mark down the dissenters.

        Australians will be forced to face reality once they have endured enough pain – but that can take many years. If it happens too slowly then maybe nothing will be done to fix things because it becomes accepted as not repairable

      • “In addition the ALP believes that the Big Oz policies will bring in the sort of people that will vote for them”

        Hold on, isn’t this nothing other than a Ponzi scheme?

      • Greens represent BS. People that take them seriously are deluded and have been brainwashed by our near brain dead education system, and from a very young age. They totally lack the ability to view issues from different sides. School teaches our kids to debate things in very narrow ways and the teachers tend to mark down the dissenters.

        You certainly sound like someone with a formidable talent for ‘viewing issues from multiple sides’.

  8. FiftiesFibroShack

    The last politician that voiced views on lower population growth – and was actually genuine – was Kelvin Thomson.

    This looks more like a power play within the LNP. Conservatives in the media and other institutions have been talking about drawing “battle lines” around immigration. Concerns about infrastructure etc, are way down their list of priorities, but they’re convenient talking points to push the real game which is the “cultural” aspect. My guess is bringing in plenty of people from Norway would be ok by them.

    • Mining BoganMEMBER

      Yep, Molan be part of the Abbott mob. Also gets to stick it up the Green’s nose.

      Notice the no solution bit. They’re just making noise. They won’t cut.

  9. I thought the correct term is “deathly” silent but “deafly” is also appropriate in this context. Deafly, dumbly and blindly – hopefully to them being beaten savagely at the next election.

  10. Pauline Hanson is finally getting it. I’m seriously thinking of joining One Nation and campaigning for them.

    • You are better off joining the SAP or AHP. She passes almost every LNP legislation – not even Cory does that. I am afraid she wants to have mass immigration of Christians instead of people of another faith. The issue is the numbers.