Go the pope, not the dope

by Chris Becker

First the Pope:

Pope Francis, called upon world leaders on Wednesday to “listen to the cry of the Earth and the cry of the poor, who suffer most because of the unbalanced ecology.”

Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew I, the head of the Orthodox Christian Church, will issue a joint message to commemorate the annual “World Day of Prayer for the Care of Creation” on Friday, the Associated Press reported.

In 2015, the Pope designated Sept. 1 as “a precious opportunity to renew our personal participation in this vocation as custodians of creation,” framing the preservation of the environment as a moral responsibility.

Similarly, Bartholomew—who backed Francis’ 2015 encyclical on the environment, Laudato Si—once said:

“There has never been so much turmoil on our planet, but there has never been greater opportunity for communication, cooperation and dialogue. Basic human rights such as access to water, clean air and sufficient food should be available to everyone without distinction or discrimination. We are convinced that we cannot separate our concern for human dignity, human rights or social justice from the concern for ecological preservation and sustainability.”

Versus the Dope:

“The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

“This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice.”

“Ice storm rolls from Texas to Tennessee – I’m in Los Angeles and it’s freezing. Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!”

“I believe in clean air. Immaculate air…. But I don’t believe in climate change.”

Not sure that “belief” is going to go down well with those in Texas. Its far too early to ascertain if “the largest dump of water on the United States than any other weather event in history” is directly attributed to climate change, but its a clear abrogation of sound risk management.

From Politico:

Scientists may disagree on the degree to which anthropogenic (or human-caused) climate change intensified Harvey, but almost all concurred that Houston’s lack of preparation for it magnified its ramifications.

Urbanization turned prairies and forests into concrete, reducing the land’s capacity to absorb rainfall, and lax zoning codes gave way to development more prone to cave to the flooding. Paired with an explosion in the city’s population, the damages snowballed.

“We’re doing a huge disservice if we put off the reality that we are changing the climate and the sea levels if we wait until we do fancy analyses (on storms like Harvey) years later. It’s time to face up to the fact that some of these are going to become the new norm,” said Harold Wanless, chair of the geological sciences department at the University of Miami.

 
Lack of regulation, burgeoning population growth and poor urbanization policies. Does this ring a bell? Government should be at the forefront of managing risk that markets and households cannot.
It’s time to dump the dopes and put some soap into the mouths of those who “believe” climate change isn’t real.

Comments

  1. I dont think anyone does not believe climate change is not real
    it is just what is causing it, Been hotter before wiht no humans, been colder before wiht humans??
    But like the catholic faith, which based on rumor and superstition. and has lost out to an even more fallible faith islam.
    Yikes. no wonder there are some who are wealthy and no wonder there are many who are poor.
    Thinking. a poorly used habit.

      • Every survey of climate scientists has shown that about 2/3rds agree with CAGW theory. The 97% fake news was created buy a couple of frauds who cherry picked a subset of approx 70 scientist from a survey of 4000. Ironically the 97% concensus excluded 98% of scientists surveyed. Since then the models have been falsified by observation and the IPCC has admitted that they don’t know if CO2 will cause dangerous warming. Try keeping up to date.

      • “I’m an AstroTurfer” Robert.

        So where is your research disproving the correlation between the warming the world is having and CO2 emission increases? (Your other statements are not worth replying to).

      • Given that every Climate Scientist is paid to think it, was there ever any doubt?

        What idiot would be prepared to break ranks and jump off the gravy train at this point? The cost of living is expensive and well paying jobs are hard to come by. Besides, all those overseas climate conventions where delegates are served canapés and champagne are a such delight — and all paid for by a largely clueless mob of tax-cows. Isn’t life grand!

      • Given that every Climate Scientist is paid to think it, was there ever any doubt?

        LOL. Yes, much like the only reason planes fly is because of all the scientists who are paid to think they should.

        If only more would embrace their skepticism and turn their faith instead to “intelligent falling”…

    • Ah the anonymous WW – who seems to think I have time to establish separate accounts after all the pies I eat – and likes to dox my location from time to time, I wonder what cesspool you climbed out of?

    • Dear Wolf.

      “Climate Change” is real. It was strange though how the name for it came to be after it had initially been called “Global Warming”. Suddenly when some of the temperate records had been called into question, the “scientific” community quickly switched from calling it “Global Warming” to calling it “Climate Change”.
      Anyhow, that aside, destruction of vegetation due to human activities probably has a larger impact on land temperature changes than CO2 in the atmosphere. Australia has been one of the worst offenders here. Clearing millions of forested land for agricultural use and then to add to that also overstock much of agricultural land.
      Delving into the history of Australia, you would find that the whole of the east coast of Australia had been forested from Victoria all the way to Northern Queensland for hundred’s of kilometers inland. The same for South Western Australia. Nearly forested all the way to Kalgoorlie. One would not think that today.
      Along came the colonists and cleared the whole lot for farm land. Probably the worst destruction of natural forests in human history.
      Ever measured the temperature in an area surrounded by barren soil on a summer’s day and compared that with the temperature on a large vegetated area? You’d be surprised that the actual temperature difference would be more than 5 degrees C. There is most of your man made climate change.
      The responsible action would be to build large solar arrays or nuclear power stations in the Bight with associated desalination plants and to use the produced water to re-forrest Australia.
      Running a few thousand sheep in barren country on hundreds of thousands of hectares is a waste of an opportunity to “save” the planet. Just re-forrest it.

      • Good post. I have 10 acres that we’ve gradually changing from livestock grazing to reforestation for the purpose you describe and weed exclusion zones. I mean, raising cattle is worth lotsa $, but since I don’t eat meat it’s terribly hypocritical and, you know, teh environment.

  2. Haha! The pope has some of the most power of anyone on earth to do something green.

    Explicitly encourage birth control.

    Until he does that he’s just another empty suit.

    • Vegetarianism or veganism won’t solve climate change because its a complex problem, but eating less red meat is one minor step. A step that could be taken back if you don’t change how you source the plants in your diet, e.g via resource intensive farming or long distance transportation of those plants.

      • Methane is not a potent greenhouse gas as claimed. Water vapor absorbs in the same spectrum and so adding methane has minimal effect due to saturation. The original experiments were performed in a dry atmosphere and are wrong.

      • The average Aussie could make a much larger reduction in their carbon emissions by choosing not to fly occasionally, but beef cattle are very inefficient way to produce protein. Chicken OTOH is very efficient, if you can get whole animal cruelty thing.

      • Might not solve it, but will help.

        And then there’s the inherent horror in just slaughtering animals, or using for dairy.

        @Lorax: and the fact it basically kills you.
        Ah the Proteinaholic. Whereby one normal human needs 0.8g/kg a day and can easily, easily, source that from plants etc.

  3. Yeah, I wouldn’t place too much stock in the commentary of a person who still believes in sky wizards in this day and age.

    • Are you talking about the pope, the_donald, or politico? I mean they all believe in sky fairies last time I checked?

      Pope: ‘a precious opportunity to renew our personal participation in this vocation as custodians of creation’ – whatever else you may say, he clearly does not believe in the catholic sky fairy. The last time I checked, the only custodian of creation was upstairs. Still, the catholic church has utterly failed to stop leftist virtue signaling spirals, so every progressive (a fork of catholicism) is now holier than jesus – custodians of creation indeed. If I cared about the catholic faith, how exactly does this not fall under heresy/blasphemy?

      Pope’s buddy: ‘Basic human rights such as access to water, clean air and sufficient food should be available to everyone without distinction or discrimination.’ – Dafuq??? ‘access to water, clean air and sufficient food’ are resource dependent. Unless we live in the magical world with no limits, this statement is a contradiction in terms. I find it amusing that the Catholic Church, a 2000 year old entity, seems to have replaced the Catholic god with Human rights. Fucking idiots.

      Dope: ‘“The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.” … fml…

      HopeyChangey retards: ‘Scientists may disagree on the degree to which anthropogenic (or human-caused) climate change intensified Harvey, but almost all concurred that Houston’s lack of preparation for it magnified its ramifications.’

      lol… so now scientists disagree?? What happened to 99% of climate scientists being whatever???

      Clearly, these f^*ktards could not wait to tell everyone, our sky fairy says hopey changey diversity is good. Maybe if you ‘unbelievers’ were not all racist towards black people, our sky fairy would have stopped the hurricane! nyah nyah nayh nayh.

      fml…

  4. This article a little contradictory. The pope’s pure humanitarian perspective is incompatible with environmental protection. That is, if you make life easy for everyone on the planet then the population growth will explode until we reach or exceed the limits of the environment.

    • Did you actually read it or the article linked within?

      Or do you have any idea about what happens a population becomes more wealthy, secure and happy? It has less babies.

      • What you say about the link between wealth and birth rate is true for those who care about wealth. Natural Selection will ensure that this group of people will always remain the minority of the world’s population.


      • What you say about the link between wealth and birth rate is true for those who care about wealth.

        Seems to be true of pretty much everyone – can you give an example of country with above replacement fertility where the TFR has increased over the last 20 years and that country got noticeably richer over the same time frame? Actually, can you give an example of a country with above replacement fertility that hasn’t decreased over the last 20 years at all?

    • That is, if you make life easy for everyone on the planet then the population growth will explode until we reach or exceed the limits of the environment.

      Huh ?

      Evidence would seem to fairly comprehensively demonstrate that if you make life easy for people they generally stop breeding to the point where there’s not enough of it to ensure propagation of the species.

      • Sigh…. were some to know most of the population breeding thingy throughout antiquity was basically infant mortality rates, free labour and out breading the competition … some call it the traditional family… lulz…

        Disheveled…. hay I think I remember Rome raped an entire city for such reasons… nice painting tho….

      • Comprehensive based on one generation?

        Someone who puts more value in children (than money) is more likely to have children of their own and pass on those same traits to the next generation. That is nature works.

      • The evidence overwhelmingly supports the thesis that the more prosperous a nation becomes (measured by either GDP per capita or using the Human Development Index) the lower its fertility rate.


        The only modifier or variable that’s worth watching with this is religious populations as they gain prosperity, but even places like Saudi Arabia are seeing their fertility rates drop.

        Please provide sources from peer reviewed journals that back up your opposite assertions that have no proof.

      • “pass on those same traits to the next generation”

        Are we talking biases or Lamarckian epigenetic control systems – ??????

      • “The only modifier or variable that’s worth watching with this is religious populations as they gain prosperity”

        You make a similar point and asking for proof?

        In the context of hundreds of thousands of years of human existence I personally don’t find a single generational reduction in the fertility rate as being statistically significant. The link between affluence and fertility rates little more than materialistic people stepping off the evolutionary path and making way for other people/cultures that want to continue having children.

      • The link between affluence and fertility rates little more than materialistic people stepping off the evolutionary path and making way for other people/cultures that want to continue having children.

        No, it’s legal equality for women and access to contraception.

        Give women an option to be more than breeding sows and, hey, big surprise, they take it.

  5. Well the whole of MB sup[ports even more negative RAT interest rates – which are directly aimed at increasing consumption and using up the planet at an ever faster rate.
    Then call of the President of the United States the ‘Dope”
    Strewwth!!! What bloody hypocrisy!!!!

    One of the reasons climate change gets sceptics is the practice of attributing any happening on the planet to climate change. Wait for the big storms that come out of the Pacific in over the West coast every few centuries that massively flood the whole area. But again that will be climate change.
    I’m not commenting here on Global Warming of whoops sorry Climate Change – just on the irrational response to every phenomenon that occurs in the world that is outside 5% of the mean.

    • I’m not commenting here on Global Warming of whoops sorry Climate Change […]

      Oh, fuck off. At least demonstrate some integrity, if nothing else. The only reason to use that sort of sledgehammer virtue signalling phrase is to make it clear that’s precisely what you’re doing.

    • dont concern yourself Doc, its kind of pointless to argue with people who have made up their mind and see every problem having come from the same hammer…

      lots of stupid opinions here on this comment thread, not to say the people are stupid though. They sure sound stupid…

    • “One of the reasons climate change gets sceptics is the practice of attributing any happening on the planet to climate change.”

      Climate change didn’t cause the hurricane, but the very warm water temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico (2 to 5 degrees above average) made it far more intense than it otherwise would have been. Less frequent but more intense tropical storms have been forecast by climate scientists for decades now.

    • DarkMatterMEMBER

      A lot of the confusion about complex systems stems from our fixation with the continuum and the mathematics of the 19th century. In fact, complex systems – like the climate, are effectively state integration. Each state proceeds to to the next state, and this is a very fine grained process. The state transitions involve a lot of input factors, and if you include biological systems, then you will also have retained state (memory). The state transition is for all intents and purposes unobservable, so the process involves constantly diminishing correlation. What is constant is the immutability of matter and energy, so what that means is that any locus of a complex system is possible as long as all adjacent states observe the immutability of mass and energy.

      Based on that, I have come to the conclusion the human caused climate change is a certainty, but the extent and direction is undecidable.

  6. The problem started when humans ceased hunter-gathering; or, as the Pope might explain it, when Adam & Eve were expelled from the garden of eden:
    “Soil carbon debt of 12,000 years of human land use” doi: 10.1073/pnas.1706103114

  7. The pope encourages millions of poor people to have more unsustainable children so that they can worship some imaginary sky monster while being diddled up the bum by his mates. I’m not sure why any normal person would give the slightest credence to anything he says about anything. The man is clearly a lunatic and would be far better off safely ensconced in a quiet room with neoprene padding on the walls.

    • You inderstand that when the early looters (aka new world explorers) came home talking of poppong corn or or smoking tobacco that yhey were ridicule the ame way?

      Your disability to see something is not a confirmation hat others are imagining

  8. Catholics, as dumb and anemic as leftists. I can see why the proddys oppressed them.

    Sit and drink Pennyroyal Tea
    Distill the life that’s inside of me
    Sit and drink Pennyroyal Tea
    I’m anemic royalty…

  9. in other words big cities have no place on this planet without dare consequences for their residents, especially those built in hurricane/cyclone/earthquake/bushfire/ … zones

  10. Gezz… Chris you do have a penchant for feeding time at the monkey cage…. chortle…

    Half the people that get done in the head if the pope says something accurate [not ignoring the other stuff here] are a cornucopia of young earthers or other various breathers, completely oblivious to the logical falsies they commit – too boot.

    To these people it is absolutely c’est impossible for humans to destroy dawgs creation unless its in accordance to prophecy – full stop.

    Disheveled…. but then people – believe – all kinds of silly stuff…. eh…