Rise in isolationism caused by drop in education

by Chris Becker

An interesting study on the motivations and causes behind the shock Brexit vote which suggests a lack of higher education. Not surprising given it was also lower education levels that were “crucial” to Trump winning the Presidency. Its much easier to appeal to emotion than logic, particularly when it comes to isolationism.

More from The Independent:

Britain would have likely voted to remain in the European Union were its population educated to a slightly higher level, a new study has found.

Researchers at the University of Leicester say that had just 3 per cent more of the population gone to university, the UK would probably not be leaving the EU.

The researchers looked at reasons why people voted Leave and found that whether someone had been to university or accessed other higher education was the “predominant factor” in how they voted.

The paper, published in the peer-reviewed journal World Development, applied a multivariate regression analysis and logit model to areas of the country to identify why people voted the way they did.

The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.

Age and gender were both significant but not as important as education level, the researchers found. Income and number of immigrants in an area were not found to be a significant factor in how people voted.

The researchers also found that a lower rate of turnout – by just 7 per cent – would also likely have changed the result to Remain.

The last Labour government set a target of half of young people accessing higher education and there has been a large expansion in numbers in recent decades. Universities UK says it expected the number of people in employment with higher education qualifications to have risen from 28.7 per cent in 2002 to 51.3 per cent in 2022

 

British voters voted by 52 per cent to 48 per cent to leave the EU in a referendum held in June 2016.

And there’s Daniel Barenboim’s recent take at the Proms against isolationism:

It’s a lot easier to convince with alternative facts if you have an uneducated populace who consume media for its emotional content, while ignoring logic and critical thinking.

Comments

  1. Jake GittesMEMBER

    This idea was discussed in the post Brexit shambles. An easier explanation is to say that without a fool Tory leader, Cameron, who promised something in a referendum, which is not binding due to the sovereignty of Parliament, ignorant complacency in the elites has them being led by the hoi polloi. This was exhibited by May who thought she could go to the Queen to enact article 50, and circumvent Parliament: sheer ignorance.

    • You definitely wouldn’t the hoi polloi having their voices heard.

      Only university educated people should be allowed to vote. N’est ce pas?

    • Obamacare got knocked back several times before Obama realised that he has the power to tax but not the power to ban. And that muppet was a qualified lawyer!

      You are just having a rant against the mechanism. PM May did not think that the judges would defy the will of the people (Brexit) – but they did!

      • Jake GittesMEMBER

        Let’s be clear: In the British Constitution the referendum is not binding in any sense at all, so the legal argument you advance is erroneous. The judges did not defy the people’s will because the people do not determine such things; Parliament does. The judges held to the Constitution as they should have as they are bound to do so.

      • migtronixMEMBER

        Lol British Constitution!!!! Bwaaahaaahaahaa is that before or after 5th Republic Jacque?

  2. casewithscience

    The middle class has been shattered for 20 years (particularly since Howard’s battlers got what they thought they wanted). The irony is that when the educated middle lose power in society, the levers stop being pulled and the machine veers off course. What is coming is not the workers revolution, it is a middle class one.

  3. Education is not the same as intelligence (related in part to ability to use logic). Lack of the former doesn’t imply the latter.
    And regarding the comment from ‘The Independent’ – one can also interpret the study to indicate that going to University only changes your bias or attitude resulting from the propaganda purveyed there.

    • +1
      This argument actually has parallels with the attempts by the elites to shut down the anti-immigration debate here in Australia i.e. by branding them all racists and knuckleheads.

      “A study says ….” Lol.

      Conducted by a non-conflicted, unbiased organisation — obviously 😉

    • Yep. “Educated” people should know that there are only lies, damn lies and statistics. Trying to say its a matter of ‘education’ is coming to a conclusion on some pretty flimsy evidence.

    • +1 Education is not what it once was. Brexit was a rebellion against entitled undemocratic authoritarians who cloak themselves with hubris and pretend to be intellectual. It is self interest and arrogant insolence that led remain, it was the real world, representative democracy and accountability that lead Brexit. The ‘unrepresentative” swill are still squealing.

    • Yep, and not only that, but may be the uneducated chose leave over stay as they recognised they were being raped.

      Plenty of educated people reading this website deny CC etc, plenty of educated politicians do likewise, while plenty of educated and uneducated believe in something akin to the tooth fairy. So what does that say!

  4. Sweet. The author of the article has implied that the people he disagrees with on Brexit did so because they were uneducated (and maybe a little bit dim at least compared with the author. What about the uneven distribution of benefits from being an EU member country being given disproportionately to the educated?

    • I read it as education was just the proxy for critical assessment/thinking with education level being a much easier factor to gather data on than testing people for critical assessment skills.
      I’m sure the authors realise there are plenty of educated people without the great critical assessment capabilities

      • Agreed. Total misunderstanding by the writer of the article. Correlational perhaps but not a factor in decision making unless the question like. Did you vote to remain because of you’re education level. ?

  5. Well I think this is a bit obvious given that Brexit was voted for my a majority of older people, and older people typically do not have degrees as they were not as common in eras gone by. I’m not sure if there is a direct link, or it’s more just due to natural demographics of society. I think it’s different in the UK to the USA, as many educated people voted to exit as well.

    My view is actually the opposite, and that is that the governments actually want the populations to be dumbed down so that they can feed them any old shit through the media and the public just laps it up. The whole reason that Trump got elected is because of the uneducated masses and the simple slogan “make america great again” which appeals to the great unwashed that saw their quality of life get eroded by globalisation. There were very few educated people that voted Trump (other then the 1% that stand to benefit), and the reality is that the USA has a much higher percentage of American Idiots (to put it in Greenday’s terms) than the UK has British Idiots.

    The same thing happens here with the boomer class – most of them are uneducated twats, but the hold a bit chunk of the vote, and also a vast amount of the wealth – so they are pandered to by the political classes.

    To have control over a society – the ruling class needs to have the masses both uneducated and in debt. I would even go as far as suggesting that most school curriculums have been watered down since the 1990’s. Kids graduate school here with very little idea about how to manage money, how the political system works, why there is conflict in the middle east, or even how globalisation works.

    The governments want us stupid, not smart.

      • Sorry, just don’t agree.

        For starters: “My view is actually the opposite, and that is that the governments actually want the populations to be dumbed down so that they can feed them any old shit through the media and the public just laps it up.”

        Plenty of educated people voted for Turnbull and the LNP in general and sprout lame sloganeering like “Labor can’t be trusted”, lap up the trickle down economics bs and deny CC etc.

        Then this: “The whole reason that Trump got elected is because of the uneducated masses and the simple slogan “make america great again” which appeals to the great unwashed that saw their quality of life get eroded by globalisation. There were very few educated people that voted Trump…”

        I’m pretty certain that a post US election review found that a large number of educated voters went for Trump over Hilary as well. Imo a large percentage of Trump supporters don’t necessarily believe Trump will make “America Great Again”, but are more than happy to see the place torched

        Then this: “Kids graduate school here with very little idea about how to manage money, how the political system works, why there is conflict in the middle east, or even how globalisation works.

        Well, the bit about managing money has been true since forever and contradicts how our boomers in general are dumb (so did they know how to manage money better then, when they were dumber??). As to how we are governed; I think those whom believe todays kids are less informed on this subject have little real knowledge of what was taught in school past the the last 15 to 20 yrs. I last attended school in the late 70s and politics and how gov is carried out in this country was not very high on the agenda whatsoever. Globalisation isn’t something that is new, it goes all the way back to the 70s, except they were referred to as Multi-National companies. I recall very well my old man in ’75 (when I was 15) warning they had no allegiance to any country, only themselves. As to M.E. politics, shit no one back then knew what the driver of politics was then either, though I’d say far more people today are aware of the economic drivers of war than 30 to 40 yrs ago.

        To me what behaviour we seem to face is what governments always resort to: Divide and conquer, point the finger and encourage us to follow greed dressed up as good economic policy.

      • St JacquesMEMBER

        Good points Dennis. I’d like to point out that many districts that voted once or twice for Obama switched to Trump, which would suggest disenchantment with the Dems rather than any belief in Trump’s bs. Bolstering this is that Trump scraped in on a technicality. In reality it wasn’t that huge numbers flocked to Trump, the Republican base plus a few (many disenchanted ex-Dem, probably working class and precarious middle class voters who felt betrayed) but also the collapse of the number of Democratic voters. So I put Trump down as more a case of default victory due to disenchantment or loss of faith in the Dems rather than huge numbers suddenly believing in his message, and in some cases people deciding to angrily throw a spanner in the form of Trump into the machine.

    • drsmithyMEMBER

      Kids graduate school here with very little idea about how to manage money, how the political system works, why there is conflict in the middle east, or even how globalisation works.

      +1

      Probably the most important of those, that’s lacking – or seems to be – is an understanding of how Government works.

      This is hardly constrained to the yoof, however – plenty of oldies think they’re voting for a Prime Minister, and that the Prime Minister (and/or his party) essentially has – and should have – complete and unquestionable power to enact “their plan”.

      The most important ignorance that must be maintained, is the ignorance of how to enact change within the system.

      Front and centre of this ignorance is the catastrophic sabotagefailure of the Fourth Estate.

    • I’m kinda of the opinion that Education only ever delivers a comparative advantage, so when we no longer have any real global comparative advantage from Education we naturally retreat and try to protect the advantage that our accumulate wealth delivers, this advantage is best protected by Isolationist policies. Naturally the poor and uneducated are the first to see their global advantage erode however it won’t be long before even our most highly educated gain no global comparative advantage from education, that’s when the real shift towards Isolationism will happen.
      Unfortunately modern western civilizations are preprogramed to associate real wealth with row and columns of numbers in a spread sheet, rather than acres of healthy farm land, rows of highly productive differentiated factories or robots we’re creating to do our bidding. When was the last time you were at a bbq and someone expressed their own wealth in terms global advantage that they were personally developing through their own superior understanding and execution? Nope not gunna happen in Australia nor in Britain, were too wealthy to focus on what’s needed to get rich.

    • “To have control over a society – the ruling class needs to have the masses both uneducated and in debt.”
      Absolutely! + many
      A substantial proportion of the blame needs to be aimed at the form of globalism that we have embraced. Given the dividends it produces largely flow to the few, the growing discontent and desperation of the masses should be of no surprise. Controlling them requires ignorance and fear in spades.

    • wow this comment is bullshit…

      (1) ‘Brexit was voted for my a majority of older people, and older people typically do not have degrees’ – grow some balls. admit you think degree === capability. here is a counterpoint, degree’s today are almost completely horseshit, given the leftist infestation across the education system. You want to take a cheap shot at older folks, just call them ugly. suggesting they know less about the world because they have less education is a lovely built in assumption.

      (2) ‘more just due to natural demographics of society’ – like, i don’t know, older people are likely to know when some virtue signaling schmuck is bullshitting, cause they have more real life experience, having already been lied to by leftists of various persuasions over the years maybe?

      (3) ‘governments actually want the populations to be dumbed down so that they can feed them any old shit through the media and the public just laps it up’ – this is correct. Now, why does government pay for an education system? They have been funding public education since bismark, and the population keeps getting dumber, and you think this is a bug?

      (4) ‘whole reason that Trump got elected’ – confirmation bias much? I’m an arrogant cock, and even i think i only know some of the reasons.

      (5) ‘ saw their quality of life get eroded by globalisation’ – could this have anything to do with it? Maybe the slogan was a symptom, not the cause and maybe their education level is a distraction? Confuse correlation and causation much?

      (6) ‘very few educated people that voted Trump (other then the 1% that stand to benefit)’ – do you seriously not see that they biggest story here is that the left is more pro-1% than the right now [think support of corps, lowering of wages worldwide, moral totalitarians etc]? A flip of this magnitude, and you explain it away with ‘some people i know told me’.

      (7) ‘much higher percentage of American Idiots’ – they built and ran the American Empire for the last 250 years give or take. They have been the most powerful country for nearly a century. Their religious beliefs – i.e. puritan inspired progressivism is the de facto religious order that runs the world today, and is descended from another religious order, ‘British Idiots’ as you called them, that caused the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. Wait till you work out that the majority of high-status ‘education’ universities were founded by religious orders, and nothing has changed.

      (8) ‘The same thing happens here with the boomer class – most of them are uneducated twats, but the hold a bit chunk of the vote, and also a vast amount of the wealth – so they are pandered to by the political classes.’ – preconceptions much?? Also don’t be jealous of their wealth, its unseemly to pick on a man for making choices that benefit him when the selection is limited. maybe they were trying to look out for their families/children, you know, [email protected]*kwits like you?

      (9) ‘the ruling class needs to have the masses both uneducated and in debt’ – sure. and they pay for the education system. they have paid for the education system for centuries. What does this tell you? Maybe they don’t have enough experience running an education system… yeah thats it clearly… no vested interests here at all.

      (10) ‘most school curriculums have been watered down since the 1990’s’ – go look up any speech by the folks involved with the American Revolution. such as: http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/revolution/henry.htm – it was written for people with a year 8 education – blacksmiths and carpenters mostly. The curriculum being watered down is a feature, not bug, of the education system.

      (11) ‘very little idea about how to manage money, how the political system works, why there is conflict in the middle east, or even how globalisation works’ – say, who is it that runs the education system again? Could it be the religious clergy dominated by the dumb ass religious tenets of the left? no… clearly not…

      (12) ‘The governments want us stupid, not smart.’ – maybe you should have simply said this, and nothing else?

      Have you ever met a priest that said anything other than ‘you need to go to church more?’. The cult state we live in says ‘you need to go to school more’. Do you honestly not see the parallels? And in things that make you go hmm…

      Christianity| Liberalism/Progressivism
      hell | capitalism
      Satan | Hitler
      demons | men
      heaven | progress
      original sin| privledge
      salvation | equality
      savior | education
      disciple | college professor
      wickedness | racism
      rapture | global warming
      blasphemy | hate speech

      • Wow – thanks for the link. I read the original. Sacked for thought crime. Diversity doesn’t extend to diversity of opinion. no tolerance there, only authoritarianism.

      • ” The original comment that got the big MB thumbs up was nothing but a large ad hom. “
        Epic irony there. Do either of you come in vowels?
        “…older people are likely to know when some virtue signaling schmuck is bullshitting, cause they have more real life experience, having already been lied to by leftists of various persuasions over the years maybe? “
        Oh no! It’s an attack of the bullshitting, virtue signalling, leftist schmucks with no life experience. Again!
        “…grow some balls. admit you think degree === capability. here is a counterpoint, degree’s today are almost completely horseshit, given the leftist infestation across the education system……epic rant …… [email protected]*kwits like you…… “
        Correction; that’s ball less, bullshitting, virtue signalling, leftist schmucks with no life experience … and they’re infecting our education system with lies and “… [email protected]*kwits like you? “
        /sarc

      • Philly SlimMEMBER

        Great post T. That folks think “educated” lean left tells me there is something wrong with the “education” system.

  6. Know IdeaMEMBER

    While one would not want isolationism, nor would one want a loss of sovereignty. There seems to be a convenient confusion being propagated that any attempt to retain sovereignty equates to isolationism.

  7. Ronin8317MEMBER

    It’s self-interest. Those with tertiary education can sees an open EU as more opportunity for jobs, while those without sees the immigrants taking jobs away from them. The reality is somewhat fuzzy but the narrative is compelling.

    As to Trump voters: they really, really hate Hillary. They hate her so much, they’re willing to believe any lies Trump tells them.

    • it’s a bit more than that on the ground. The UK populace was sick of dictations coming from unelected EU officials. Case in point when market stall holders got prosecuted for selling fruit and veg in pounds and ounces rather than kilos and grams despite having both weights and prices displayed. The EU also enacted a ruling that lessened the power of everyone’s vacuum cleaners and that was the nail in the coffin.

      • C’mon Trav. Next you will be talking about bendy bananas. British pollies have blamed their legislation on Brussels for decades while the yellow press (mainly in the hands of uncle Rupert) has focused on things like going metric. EU legislation mostly concerns definitions so everybody has a similar set, and this has had very little impact on people’s day to day. But the selling-off of infrastructure, hollowing of services and the general rip-off culture that permeates the country are all made in GB. The Tories successfully tricked the oldies into thinking it was the continent’s fault.

      • Jaso, make no mistake, I was not passing judgement as to the right v wrong of all this, rather just giving a flavour that there was more to it ie. the feeling of not owning the laws/regulations that were being enacted. No real skin in the game from me either way, can see both sides.
        Edit: agreed on the “tricked” angle, also could be seen as “scared” them into it

    • Know IdeaMEMBER

      “As to Trump voters: they really, really hate Hillary. They hate her so much, they’re willing to believe any lies Trump tells them.”

      I am not sure about the last bit. If I choose to vote for One Nation that should not be taken as suggesting that I believe any lies they happen to tell. I may just have other reasons for voting that way.

  8. Hi Chris – no surprise with the result……but couldn’t the explanation be spun in an entirely different manner – the more ‘educated’ people are, the more likely they are to support the status quo, because those who benefit most from the status quo run the ‘education’ system…….and are largely in charge of what people ‘learn’ at college and in higher education……So one could argue the “its easier to appeal to emotion rather than logic” is just applicable to ‘educated’ people as those who lack higher education……

    Btw – this is no endorsement for Trump – nor an argument against college education per se – just an ‘alternative’ possible explanation of these phenomena

    • I don’t reckon you are going far enough. Per my rationale above I’d advocate the term “educated” is just a proxy for the ability to be questioning and have possession of critical analysis/thinking skills. Now I’d advocate if you have the critical thinking skills down pat then you would always be questioning the status quo rather than accepting of it.

    • Jacob, that line of reasoning is illogical, mostly because it assumes that GB has the weight to determine the outcome of trade negotiations. As has been shown in the last year, trade comes with compromises. Look at India (any trade talks should involve looser visa restrictions, aka known as GB style 457s), the US (agri restrictions lifted re GM products and animal husbandry procedures) or China. Most of the high standards that the UK currently enjoys are the result of decades of shaping legislation from within. These standards are now on the chopping block with very little promise of a return.

      • India is hypocritical and a tiny market compared to USA – quite silly of PM May to visit Delhi to try and begin negotiating a free trade agreement with that corrupt 3rd world basket case.

        AUS has long had an FTA with Thailand. AUS has never been flooded with Thai workers.

        Westminster should negotiate free trade agreements with Japan, South Korea, Thailand, AUS, NZ, Singapore, Hong Kong, Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait.

      • Jacob, FTAs are not cookies. The UK is ill-prepared to do one, let alone dozens in tandem, for years on end. It is particularly egregious when you consider that they were already trading with many of the countries that you now offer as alternative (i.e. it will make no difference). But no matter, I see what you are saying, make free trade deals with smaller countries so you can push them around. The problem is that the list of potential new suitors is tainted by their recent imperial past. There is a lot of animosity in the former colonies, and saving face may be more important to them than bending backwards to the likes of Fox, Gove and Johnson, in particular considering their past faux pas. If we look at the choices you list one by one:
        HK is a chinese city-state, not a country.
        Singapore is a free trade city state, they already trade as much as it is humanly possible with them.
        Japan, do you mean renegociate the free trade deal that the EU and Japan agreed recently? (5y if they are really fast)
        South Korea: already in one (Eu-SK, 2009) so renegociate it (5y if they are really fast)
        AUS & NZ: there is already something there due to the Commonwealth (whose wealth it was is open to debate of course).
        Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait: see the recent Saudi Arabia debacle, then decide if these are any different.
        In any case, that leaves Thailand and the comment of not being flooded with workers. Yo do realise that Thailand´s population is a mere 66m, compared to China´s (1.4billion) and India´s (1.3billion)? That explains why the Thai community is a mere 6% of the Chinese one. Also the GINI in Thailand is better than China or India. People geenrally don´t migrate unless they really have to. And that is why Australia and NZ should consider the consequences of doing business with the UK. Brits tend to be quite invasive and putting the welcome mat may not be a good idea if things go south.

  9. If this was a union strike spitting on “scabs” everyone would see it very clearly.
    Replace “union” with “nation” and “scabs” with “immigrants” and the narrative makes perfect sense.

    Of course the union would vote to kick out the scabs.
    Its in their direct economic interest as a group and an entity.

    Now, perhaps it aligns with general education levels, but that’s no surpise either. The jobs most easy for someone who’s not a native-language-speaker to slot into are the physical jobs. De tuk er jerbs is a meme with an element of truth.

  10. sydboy007MEMBER

    One could argue that those who most voted to leave the EU were the ones who had lived in the UK pre and post EU membership and had decided they liked the life they have before they lost most of their sovereignty to unelected muppets in Brussels.

    MEPs cannot propose legislation at the EU parliament.

    When the head of the EU says things like:

    On Greece’s economic meltdown in 2011 – “When it becomes serious, you have to lie.”

    On French referendum over EU constitution – “If it’s a Yes, we will say ‘on we go’, and if it’s a No we will say ‘we continue’,”

    On the introduction of the euro – “We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don’t understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.”

    On British calls for a referendum over Lisbon Treaty – “Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?,”

    I’m ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious … I am for secret, dark debates

    I notice with a certain sense of regret that far too many Europeans are returning to a regional and national mindset.

    Can you blame the Brits from not wanting to have Germany decide how many economic migrants it would foist on the country. Prob Merkel’s opennin gof the EU borders to the world was the biggest cause of BREXIT.

    • SydBoy, there are too many points to discuss in your post, so I will just touch on your closing remark. If actual refugees (read Syrians in this case) come in boats or walk across your border, them the Geneva convention demands that you deal with them in a humane way. That means dealing with them, which takes time to do, and that is what happened. There is very little in the press regarding the non-Syrians, who were determined to be economic migrants (mostly) and were returned to their country of origin. You have become used by Howard’s loophole: fish them in international waters and dump them in off-shore concentration camps.

      • sydboy007MEMBER

        Right. And no NGOs are acting as ferry services to people smugglers.

        Of the 2 odd million refugees Merkel open the gates to, how many meet the Geneva convention definition of a refugee?

        If I was a Brit and being told to take tens of thousands of economic migrants because the German govt says so I’d have been keen to get out too.

      • “And no NGOs are acting as ferry services to people smugglers.” Reductio ad absurdum. Majority did not.

        “Of the 2 odd million refugees Merkel open the gates to, how many meet the Geneva convention definition of a refugee?” Syrians mostly. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Statistics_on_enforcement_of_immigration_legislation (bit dated but the stats are there).

        “If I was a Brit and being told to take tens of thousands of economic migrants because the German govt says so I’d have been keen to get out too.” You keep repeating this as a truism when it is not.

        Now, this is all very simple. You don´t want refugees migrating across the globe? Then maybe we should consider that policies such discontinuing fossil-fuel reliance, tying our aid to social (universal education) and economic reform (including family planning) and enforcing rule of law on our multinationals would at least help reduce these problems. We have been crapping all over the World for decades now. This is the blowback.

      • http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240010/Number-refugees-arriving-Europe-soars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html

        “Only one in every five migrants claiming asylum in Europe is from Syria.

        The EU logged 213,000 arrivals in April, May and June but only 44,000 of them were fleeing the Syrian civil war.

        Campaigners and left-wing MPs have suggested the vast majority of migrants are from the war-torn state, accusing the Government of doing too little to help them.

        ‘This exposes the lie peddled in some quarters that vast numbers of those reaching Europe are from Syria,’ said David Davies, Tory MP for Monmouth. ‘Most people who are escaping the war will go to camps in Lebanon or Jordan.

        ‘Many of those who have opted to risk their lives to come to Europe have done so for economic reasons.’

      • Fitzroy, not sure what the link is for.

        Edit: I posted a link above that makes the Daily Mail´s dated one moot. As I said before, they had to be sorted and that takes time. The claims by DD and others in the DM link are populism at its finest.

    • +1 There is a dangerous belief permeating in these systems that rule by technocrat will provide all the solutions. It was the technocrats that created the problem in the first place.
      But nothing changes in human history, it is simply the acquisition and concentration of power, and more worryingly unaccountable power.

      “The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”
      ― Mikhail Gorbachev

  11. Seriously?! How can this site moan about 457s and the population ponzi but support a European super state, never voted for by the British public, which results in unconstrained numbers of gypsies entering the country? Wakey wakey!

    • Apply to countries with regions differing in SES (ie should we cut off Tasmania for example? Or should the UK do the same with the Welsh to benefit the rest of the country?). Then consider if the problems in the UK derive from EU policies or UK ones.

      • I must have missed the trends of Welsh ATM scams, pick pocketing, sex trafficking, and generally turning places into slums. Places in Britain have become unrecognisable hell holes as a result of unconstrained immigration. There are 20 million people you can ask.

      • Andrew, you are either very old or very young to make a comment so lacking in substance. The reason Britain has become one giant slum is bc they voted for Maggie´s (and her minions) policies… twice. Followed by TB of course. The British brand of capitalism has been ticket-clipping for 40 years. The slums are made in the GB by the British. Own it.

  12. Educated basket weavers tell others how much they are a poopy head and nernie nernie ner.

    What do you get if you cross an SJW with a Queenslander?

  13. DarkMatterMEMBER

    “Rise in isolationism caused by drop in education”

    Correlation does not mean causation. “Rise in isolationism correlates with drop in education, but the meaning of this is unclear ” would have been a better title. People who voted for Brexit may have been poorer, which generally means less likely to have attended university.

    The implication is that people voted for Brexit because they were poorly educated, and does not admit the possibility that people might be voting in their own self interest. Perhaps isolationism is caused by a rise in poverty?

    Just because people are educated does not mean that they make wise and noble decisions. Take our Banking Elites. All highly educated and up to their ears in rorting and corruption. Would you say that a “Rise in corruption is caused by an increase in education”?

    • good comment and yep that title would work better…but no one would read it….especially the uneducated

      “Chris Pratt and Anna Farris breakup!” that works…

    • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

      “Just because people are educated does not mean that they make wise and noble decisions”

      Exactly, I would argue that with all that extra “education” and indoctrination, the opposite of wise and noble decisions are likleyhood to be made.

      Remember to,…that Brexit got up, even without the “Left wing case for Brexit” being put forward, due to Corbynite and Blairite shenanigans.

      http://jfjfp.com/?p=84387

      Left’s case for Brexit
      The left’s case against the EU was frequently articulated by Tony Benn, a Labour minister in the 1960s and 1970s. At an Oxford Union debate in 2013, a year before he died, Benn observed:
      The way that Europe has developed is that the bankers and multi-national corporations have got very powerful positions and, if you come in on their terms, they will tell you what you can and can’t do – and that is unacceptable.
      My view about the European Union has always been, not that I am hostile to foreigners but that I’m in favour of democracy. … I think they are building an empire there.
      Nearly 40 years earlier, in 1975, during a similar referendum on leaving what was then called the EEC, Benn pointed out that what was at stake was Britain’s parliamentary democracy. It alone “offered us the prospect of peaceful change; reduced the risk of civil strife; and bound us together by creating a national framework of consent for all the laws under which we were governed.”
      His warning about “civil strife” now sounds eerily prophetic: the referendum campaign descended into the ugliest public political feuding in living memory.
      For Bennites and the progressive left, internationalism is a vital component of the collective struggle for the rights of workers and the poor. The stronger workers are everywhere, they less easily they can be exploited by the rich through divide-and-rule policies.
      Globalisation, on the other hand, is premised on a different and very narrow kind of internationalism: one that protects the rights of the super-rich to drive down wages and workers’ rights by demanding the free movement of labor, while giving this economic elite the freedom to hide away their own profits in remote tax-havens.
      Globalisation, in other words, switched the battlefield of the class struggle from the nation state to the whole globe. It allowed the trans-national economic elite to stride the world taking advantage of every loophole they could find in the weakest nations’ laws and forcing other nations to follow suit. Meanwhile, the working and middle classes found themselves defenseless, largely trapped in their national and regional ghettoes, and turned against each other in a global free market.
      Corbyn played safe
      Corbyn could not say any of this because the Labour parliamentary party is still stuffed with Blairites who fervently support the EU and are desperate to oust him. Had he come out for Brexit, they would have had the perfect excuse to launch a coup

      • The question EP is, which region of the World is the most equitable? Also, is the population in the EU as a whole worse off than 40y ago? One can argue that it could have been done better, but that is not logical as anything can be improved. Benn´s view seems to be that since the EU is not perfect (according to the preconcieved idea that he has) then it sucks. My view is that there has been a big drop in the standards of the developed world with the rise of “the other half”. The EU has coped better than the US and Australia.

      • ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

        “The question EP is, which region of the World is the most equitable”

        I think your question is besides the point,…I think the question raised by Brexit is,.. Do you believe in Government by Sovereign state Democracy or Government by unelected bureaucratic instutions of global Plutocracy?

      • Sorry EP but that is a false dichotomy. There is plutocracy on both sides and democracy is not direct in either as you appear to imply, so the question is, who will shaft me deepest (or not use lube). In my experience Britain is, in Europe at least, the gold standard for screwing their population in the name of ideology. However when offered a choice people will default to tribalism as opposed to solving the root of their problems (which has always been in the hands of their very British representatives). Of course both of our positions are opinions and we will have to wait to see what happens

      • I agree with Ermo. A system where the collective will of the majority within a nation is irrelivent and can be overruled by a supra-national organisation cannot be described as a sovereign democracy. Benn’s observations were on the money all along: “it was clear that what they had in mind was not going to be democratic”. Britain was wise to never fully join and give up the right to fully manage their own affairs.

    • SupernovaMEMBER

      Most white-collar crime is settled out of court; deliberately kept out of the public’s eye by the educated white-collars who can afford to keep it that way.

  14. DarkMatterMEMBER

    “but no one would read it….especially the uneducated”

    Well, if no one reads it, then especially no one reads it less than any other no one. Still, unread articles may actually be less harmful than misleading ones, although it does cast doubts on the future of journalism.

  15. ErmingtonPlumbingMEMBER

    Brexit didn’t get up because the “Uneducated are dumb”,… its because the “Educated” the Proffessional class, have been coopted into the elites economic Narrative,…whilst pretty much everyone else just gets ignored,…and finnaly got the shits about it.

    https://youtu.be/38JNg210L24

    • That’s right they are the dumb ones. They still are.

      Back in the old days you may not have been able to have swanned around the world like a ponce, you couldn’t get a poxy soccer mum 4WD for 30k, but you could get a house in a decent area for the equivalent of 100-300k. So which era is richer?

  16. The Paradox of MB

    Railing everyday against the ‘status quo’ thinking of supposedly highly educated economic thinkers who have actually brought about a debt laden disaster in the west..

    Along comes Brexit in the UK, returning sovereignty by democratic vote to something they gave up without one.
    Along comes Trump in the US.

    Can’t have that says MB. Give me the status quo.

  17. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abEa3-rx6MQ
    Brace yourself for 30minutes of modern day truth telling …

    Common Theme: Observe how the interviewers are always so sure and conceited in the righteousness of their opinion/position, before Farage pawns them. Few people have done it better and more consistantly while being live on air.

    • Thanks “V” !
      that 30mins is priceless. It shows just how to deal with a deluge of animosity – masterfully.

  18. Basically what this article seems to be saying is that the universities are especially successful in indoctrinating a lot of people into a certain set of beliefs that suits the open borders movement. Note however, that in the past universities propounded many nationalistic viewpoints that assisted in the unification of Germany and Italy during the 19th century. But these nationalistic views became unfashionable in the post WW2 environment with the need to have open access to markets and labour mobility so that large corporations could expand their operations and earn higher profits.

    So basically it seems to me that the purpose of tertiary education is to indoctrinate the masses into whatever belief system that suits the big power interests (note the latest infiltration of Chinese institutions into our universities to prepare us for a China takeover). In a way universities have replaced the function of the Church and is now providing us with our belief systems.

    Chris Becker shows his own preferences by this article, since its far too simplistic, and does not examine the issues in a dispassionate manner (note the use of the well known Jewish conductor who obviously would have an internationalist viewpoint for European countries other than for Israel (which in his view must be preserved for the Jews).

    To me the most interesting aspect about Brexit was that the vote to remain in the EU failed in the areas outside of greater London, and these areas have been cannibalized by the FIRE industries which have benefited London and strong multinational vested interests. That is pretty similar to what has happened in Oz with SydMelb emasculating the rest of Oz, but will also ultimately also be consumed when we hit a major economic downturn.

    As “Owen” has noted many times here, young people are mostly sheep and have been dulled by educational pressure to such an extent that they will accept ideas which are intrinsically against their own long term interests.

  19. MediocritasMEMBER

    Book smarts != street smarts.
    I know dozens of very smart people, PhDs, Professors and the like. They’re utterly clueless about realpolitik.

    • True but, unraveling the nuances and complexities about how inequality rises under the noses of elected governments requires an investment in time that few are prepared to make – even fewer can be arsed actually exploring remedies. Know you’re getting shafted is one thing. Knowing how is an altogether different matter and few can be arsed with the effort required in that sort of learning journey.

  20. Educated people are less emotional than non educated people? Really? You have evidence for this?